Hi sorry to appear but I needed a sounding board.

In the last few weeks I have become extremely concerned about the actions of the Australian government and its' departments. It has pushed over the edge my already significant concerns about the human race.

I am talking about the demonisation of anything Chinese. Now I understand the Chinese government are a human rights violator. I assume all governments are. However, seeing that they are a government they must make decisions and take action designed to increase public confidence in the government, in order for the government to be able to govern effectively by having the confidence of the people. So in this sense they are evil, manipulative people where humans are animals able to be easily psychologically exploited. I have no problem with that sentiment, I agree with it completely.

Now a week or two ago the Australian media was filled with outrage and concern regarding supposed electoral interference maybe from China. I am completely unaware of how this could be a problem. Why is any idea presented to the electorate an issue? Why is the electorate not allowed to decide what they approve of and what they don't? Why does it have to be illegal and outlawed if the idea does not come from Channel 10, the Age or Scott Morrison? Where has the democracy gone? Why are we experiencing such censorship and control of information we are exposed to? If the ideas are no good, the electorate will reject them. If the ideas are sound, the public will embrace them, think about things such as individual liberties and rights, and things such as segregation and inequality. The whole world stood against South Africa.

Why are Chinese ideas so illegal? If they are good we can agree, of they are bad we can disagree.

Are we living in some kind of North Korean propaganda state in Australia in 2019.

Further I do not see the moral high ground the government is able to take regarding what we are exposed to or not, acting as though they are parents to a 12 year old who doesn't let them watch late night TV.

The government have monstered us. They knew fully well that there were no WMD in Iraq and that after the Iran-Iraq war Iraq no longer had a military that was able to fight, it was not rebuilt or reequipped, it just had manpower from conscription.

They knew it was going to be a walk over, and they knew it didn't have WMD. The former intelligence officials publicly admit now they they didn't make mistakes, they intentionally lied, misled the public, appealed to our patriotic nature and sent young men off to fight to come home with major disfigurements as mental trauma. They also destroyed an entire nation and created limbless 8 year old children. They even have a special entry on collateral damage, where they acknowledge and accept there have to be civilian casualties, but that's no reason to stop bombing.

So they did all this based on lies. What was the reason? Were there ideas in the middle east that threatened the "integrity of the Australian electoral system"?

These people are monsters! Unlike us, they knew they were supporting a lie. Unlike us, they knew our youth would come back traumatised and disfigured. Unlike us, they knew they would rob little girls of acceptable appearance and therefore rob them of a life and marriage. They knew this!

These people are monsters! There is no place in heaven for people who vote for them, knowing this, if we have a loving god. There is also no place on heaven for those, knowing this, who engage in social outreach designed to increase (manipulate) public mindsets in to "maintaining government security", such as media darlings and radio hosts. They know exactly how evil this all is. They are really bad people.

Why should they decide what we are exposed to and influenced by? We vote for better lives. They vote to blow the legs off little girls because their government has an idea that threatens their dictatorship.

They would make up lies, bomb little girls, destroy nations etc, in order to prevent ideas reaching the electorate. They did this!

I am outraged. These are really really bad people.

Also what type of political issues do they want me to identify with? They want me to identify with things that threaten their power, again!

Things like WAR, FOREIGN INTERFERENCE, ANTI MINING PROTESTERS etc. Ideas that if allowed to propagate divide the "cool thinking crowd" and alter their voting habits.

But why? Why are these ideas so morally outrageous? What is wrong with these ideas when bombing little girls for preventing foreign interference is okay?

As far as I can tell, they are just really really bad people. Unbelievably bad, evil people with no chance of redemption.

I was also looking at getting involved in the political process and discovered it is a cult.

I am of the opinion that elected officials are not running the show, they are doing what is required to implement the policies of government departments, and the change of government again is so placate public discontent.

Now to get on to a government department, as a recent graduate, you need a SECURITY CLEARANCE.

You need a massive government background check for the last ten years of your life. So as a recent graduate, this would mean your close family is scrutinised for having...... "electoral interference" on you!

It is essentially a cult. Also, if you get in, you are not doing anything except following orders and implementing policy.

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 2:39pm:


Seriously, think about it.

Defending the deployment of troops to kill and maim over contrary ideas.

Your idea is worth killing children over? Your idea is worth leaving entire regions on earth traumatised and fearful?

These types of ideas must be in the futherance of unimaginable evil, if its okay to kill those who question your regime.

But you can speak out in favor of that regime, knowing all of this?

You would have to be an unimaginably evil person.

And now they're on the same brain wave talking about Russia on facebook and China interfering with the election.

Why can't the people decide what is right? Why do those who knowingly lie, knowing their lies are going to lead to death and destruction and lasting intergenerational trauma, get the final say in what is morally sound and just? How can they say any idea is wrong if they can have no problem ordering the death of civilians as collateral damage because their president had views others could access?

These people are EVIL beyond belief!

How can anyone not see how bad these people are?

They don't want progress. They only let you work in government if you have a security clearance. And once in government you do not think and make change, you do as the cult leader demands. The only time anything changes is to ensure the public has confidence in the government, to stifle dissent. This is not progress, this is maintaining the regime!

What about the police and military? They have to tow the party line! They have security clearances! They police political protesters!

These are really bad people. They are against new ideas, democracy and participation by the citizens in the political process.

But they are in favor of dead children in lands with divergent ideas. They are also in favor of maintaining that mindset to this day to talk up the Russian facebook threat and the Chinese idea threat!

We are not trusted, because we are not prepared to kill babies to stop them growing up and one day having ideas the government doesn't agree with.

This is the world we live in.

I've highlighted the important bit.

The Chinese are not capable of their own 'ideas' they are of a low gene pool variation (despite 'numbers') and have gained the reputation of COPYING everyone else, etc, etc.

So - yes, the Demonisation of Chinese 'ideas' is justified.

What's your solution?

My solution is to advise Lib and Lab voters to stop voting for the ALP and the Coalition - but they are reluctant to stop, which means a little girl with her legs blown off is neither here nor there to them. And our forces are still there carrying on bombing. As well as that they letting the "enemy" into Australia to kill people in the streets

So how do you convince voters to vote for anyone else other than the ALP and the Coalition?

Bias_2012 wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 3:11pm:


Why can't the security vetting agencies be subject to a Royal Commission in order to prevent the systemic maintenance of a cult that cares not for anything but power, to the extent they will willingly lie and kill to maintain influence?

You are only getting a security clearance if you enact or enforce or implement government policy, not if you question it.

You are not getting one if you think lying to kill children and destroy nations because their leader has contrary ideas is the wrong thing to do.

This should be subject to a Royal Commission.

These are horrendously evil people.

Spatchcock wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 3:32pm:


More like the South Pacific (Oceania) and its MEDIA owned Australia 
A Media that is 'bias' towards Asia, Africa & Europe and has betrayed Namerica, Sahul (Australia) and Samerica.

China has based it reputation on NOT having original ideas of its own.
To suddenly turn around and try to be 'somebody else' will not immediately work.
China has to 'earn the right' to break that stereotype and prove itself.
Until then - all demonisation is justified and for cautious and safety reasons, well endorsed. 

Jasin wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 3:49pm:


Development of the pacific is not bad.

It is a threat to Australian influence, so the government says it is bad.

It is bad because it is a threat to the power and reach of the Australian government. In essence, pacific development is a good thing.

There is nothing bad about it at all.

This is the world we live in.

I can't believe things like this are happening. It needs to stop. These people should be in prison. They are REALLY REALLY bad.

Close.

Australian and USA Politics or 'Western' Politics has more or less been 'hijacked' for so long by Northern European and Southern European 'styles' which the Media shines for.

Now we are seeing 'true' Western style Politics coming through and especially with the 'Lightning Rod' of Trump.

I'm sorry, but when it comes to Blue Brunette 'Spin Doctor' Politics and Grey Raven-haired 'Car Salesman' Politics - they are both the North/South (USA Civil War) Politics of the Past and not true 'Western' of the 'Future'.

It's complicated, but the 'new' team are coming through and they are going to fix the damage that was done.
But that's NEW WORLDS for you 

Spatchcock wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 4:08pm:


Not many do.
But I admit my stuff is 'new'.
It's complicated.
I have to be somewhere now (Radio Station).
Maybe another time.

Spatchcock:

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That is absolute crap, so I am putting you in the looney bin.

Spatchcock wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 5:36pm:

Okay, go right ahead.

Aussie wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 5:37pm:


I just did. You saying otherwise is you saying otherwise and much like your first post to me, unsubstantiated and comprising personal attacks.

Aussie wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 5:37pm:


Another way to PROVE that you have no knowledge or understanding on the topic is that you are not representing the government. You are not capable or allowed to comment on security vetting procedures at all. You have no legitimate claim to knowing or understanding any procedures.

It would be extremely illegal to claim to have this knowledge and to then try and present it with authority. You would not be persued or prosecuted but you would be marked as misrepresenting or masquerading as having government authority or represebtation that you do not have, which would negatively affect your ability to gain a security clearance in the future as you act as though you have extremely serious high-level knowledge and the authority to use that with the authority to launch a personal attack on me.

So regardless of the fact you are way out of your depth, you are pretending to be something you are not in order to pretend on one you're a government insider, or alternatively cosy up to the government for some emotional want or need.

Those are also all facts.

Out of my depth, hey?



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I called that crap.  You said you could back it up.....so...get on with it.  Back it up.

Aussie wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 5:50pm:


I just did back it up. It is not possible for you to comment on this topic with any degree of authority. You have absolutely no knowledge of this topic. You are guessing and asserting your forum dominance over me.

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I called that crap.  You said you could back it up.....so...get on with it.  Back it up.

Aussie wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 6:04pm:


I did. Three different ways now.

You have no ability to call it crap. You have absolutely no understanding of this topic. You are way out of your depth. If you try again I'll start calling you General because that's how laughable your attempts at conveying government authority online towards me are.

Valkie wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 6:13pm:


Evil is evil. Just because you are against ISIS doesn't mean you have to support Hezbollah. They are in open conflict with each other.

China can be evil, Australia can be evil. Evil can be in conflict with itself.

Spatchcock wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 6:07pm:

Spatchcock wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 5:40pm:


I'm still at work.
But I enjoyed your discussion a lot Spatchlock. Very well thought out. Look forward to getting back to it when I have more time.

Jasin wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 6:28pm:



what part is well thought out?

Sounds like another loony 'conspiracy theorist' type who thinks the govt. is out to get them.

I guess thats why you seem to like it though, right Jasin? You're two peas crackpots in a pod

Spatchcock wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 6:41pm:


Link?

Spatchcock wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 6:44pm:


Gawd....so now in a leap only Superman could make, we go from Shiner to the ME.

Mate, you truly are a typical www looney far quit.  But do carry on.

Have a look down the Opening/Front page of the Forum.  You will see a Sub-Forum called Fringe.  Take your garbage there and stay out of the main sections here....is my humble suggestion.

Aussie wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 6:41pm:


The only way you will get in to government with a history of this type of activity is of you were working as a clandestine social engineer, such as a former army officer making such public statements in order to increase or gain the trust of the general public.

Anything else is independent thinking or subverting government policy, which is not allowed.

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You're not addressing a single argument. You're pretending to have government t insider knowledge and you are essentially defending civilian casualties as a good thing.

Can you see that there is something extremely seriously wrong with you psychologically and spiritually?

Spatchcock wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 6:49pm:


So....no link.  Just your ravings.  Okay.

Spatchcock wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 6:59pm:

You are incapable of having debate or civilised conversation.

All you have done is:

Call out how the AGSVA works in order to:

Discredit me
Call me crazy

At no point have you gone anywhere near the main points of my argument. You also have not done anything regarding your knowledge of the AGSVA except infer and use innuendo that you are fully what's up government man.

Citizens by name - subjects by command of their royal majesties, the better classes and the politicians...

Got that?

Spatchcock wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 6:59pm:



No you're not crazy Spatchcock.

You're just being harrassed by the Owner (FreeDiver)'s personal 'biatch' known as Aussie.
Aussie has some 'Parrots' known as John Smith & GreggeryPeccary.

Just think of Aussie as one of those guys who hang out down the red-light district of Bangkok wearing a Hawiian shirt and a fake gold rolex. Overweight and telling everyone he used to be a Lawyer, when he has always just be a Cabbie.

He throws his weight around as if he's a big shot, but never ever really contributes to an intellectual discussion with any sense of 'reasonable diplomacy' and always tries to turn it into 'confrontation' upon a personal level. Hence why he MODS the Relationships section. He's just a boring 'drama queen' and is absolutely obsessed with attention seeking.
Hence why he straight away confronted you on issues he isn't really sincerely interested in. He's only interested in being the 'local Bully'.

The best angle is just to 'ignore' him, although he will do his best to hound you (along with his two Parrots) and often 'repeat' himself to help him to remember 

You're the first person in a long time to really contribute on a very Political and detailed level - which is a breath of fresh air. It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong (though Aussie will try to make you think it matters) - you have expressed yourself superbly (in a way Aussie can't) and show that you can hold  a good discussion. You will like doing such with FreeDiver himself and Gandalf - two very 'detailed' discussionists here.

Sadly Aussie and his Parrots kinda scare off many potential good new members. His excuse is that he is hunting 'socks'. But the real reason is just 'attention seeking', as does his Parrots.
Just ignore them. Like I said, they have no real sincere interest in your Topic and are primitive in that they think they 'know more' because they were here before you.
Yep - one of those. 

They purposely dissagree with you, unless they think you are weak and prone to grovelling to them to join their ranks.
The vast majority of Members here DO NOT like them one bit.
They are the cause why so many good members have left here.
But for some reason - the are still here. Occassionally they get banned, but they always return.
During their bans, they exist in another 'off-shoot' minor Political Forum - where they slag this one off in bitter resentment. But when their ban is lifted, they hurtle back here like weener boys after their mummy's 3rd nipple.

So like I said. Ignore Aussie (aka Arsewipe), John Smith (aka Boofhead) & GreggeryPeccary (aka Peckerhead... and Turd McTurdface) - all of whom really deserve as much dislike and negative responsiveness from 'all Members' here who have to put up with their constant interruptions, Trolling, abuse and harrassment.
Don't try to reason with these Trolls as they just hide behind their keyboards laughing at not having to succumb to consequence. Do not give out private details to them - for they will be invasive to your personal life like Scammers to a lone Elderly person answering the phone at home.

So I hope this helps a bit.
Everyone else is pretty neat. Even though you might come to head with some in discussions and a bit of sledging gets around. There is nothing 'permanent' like what an addictive, toxic and vampiric personality (like those three Trolls) would give you... and take from you.

Stay away from these three 'abusive' members. They offer you nothing and will take as much from you as they can.
They are parasites and like Ticks, they can give you a nasty reaction if you are not careful.

Even when they grovel or try to be friendly with me.
I do not trust them one bit, let alone like them a fraction to forgive their 'nature'. They are liars, frauds, borings, trolls, sickos, not funny and bullies just to remark some.

I wish you all the best if you choose to stay here.
I hope I have warned you well.
As I am sick of them 'spoiling' a potentially good future for this Forum and all its members who would love to see new members here.

I do believe that these three Trolls are far worse than I have mentioned. But I have been banned for calling them such.
Yep - the Trolls here must pay the Owner quite a bit under the table to keep their 'fix' going here.
Pretty sad huh?
Sad to think there are such people like that, out there - who  try to hide (and really think people can't see them for who they are) 'in here' on the Internet.

Aussie isn't really an Aussie. Aussies don't behave like he does.

Night.

Jasin wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 11:10pm:


Thanks for the heads up.

Aussie wrote on Feb 28^th, 2019 at 7:08pm:


Aww - poor Aussie. Mod of Relationships and ol' Jasin here is making him jealous with the women. 
Maybe its because I have a personality.
Maybe its because I really am a nice person.
Hell, I freely detailed up a couple's vehicle+camper for selling because they couldn't do it (He has a severe medical condition).

Just admit that you're a Aussie - that's all.
Nothing to do with other people being loonies or whatever.
You're just a boring with no personality and no real interesting existence.

While I'm making heaps of 'Tips' in my Taxi.
You're out pinning kids to trees with your big hands.

 

Better to be a Looney than a LOSER like you 

China is not a democracy, has a terrible human rights record, appears to have a government directed policy of cheating at business, has some territorial ambitions, and actively subverts the democratic process and the rule of law in other nations.

There are all sorts of things that could go horribly wrong as China grows more powerful. What you describe as "demonising" China is exactly the sort of PR pressure that might avert disaster without the need for military confrontation.

capitosinora wrote on Mar 1^st, 2019 at 9:55am:

Australia isn't a British colony. The UK has nothing to do with the decision making process in Australia. You need to get that out of your head.

capitosinora wrote on Mar 1^st, 2019 at 10:16am:

What happened in 1975 cannot happen again because it's been amended. The royal family has absolutely no power in Australia at all. You've been licking too many cane toads.

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2019 at 10:22am:


Incorrect.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2019 at 10:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2019 at 10:29am:

Maybe technically but the queen has no power in UK politics let alone Australian politics. It's not 1975 anymore. This argument is rubbish.

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2019 at 10:37am:


Incorrect.

See Sections 59, 60 and 74 of the Constitution.

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 1^st, 2019 at 10:38am:
Other than 1975 (40+ years ago) can you tell me how the queen has interfered in Australian politics?

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2019 at 10:43am:


She hasn't, but that's not your argument.

You need to stop changing the subject.

Anyway, my turn to change the subject now.

If all she does it cut ribbons, let's get rid of her.

We'll become a republic with an Australian citizen (and resident) as our Head of State?

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2019 at 10:37am:

We heard the same argument of yours in 1975 When Gough Whitlam was sect by British Royal in a Coup d'état.

capitosinora wrote on Mar 1^st, 2019 at 10:47am:

That was a different Australia muppet. 40 years ago China was massacring it's own people.

Does anyone want to talk about censorship or participatory democracy?

I don't even understand how this appeared in a new forum on global politics. It was entirely about how we, as Australians, are being denied access to alternative views by a political class that has a history of intentionally showing how we, as citizens or subjects, are dehumanized and seen as a commodity.

None of this was about anything foreign. It was about overreach of laws regarding foreign perspectives in Australia.

Mr Hammer wrote on Mar 1^st, 2019 at 11:07am:

In one of his interviews in USA Paul Keating said that he told Gough Whitlam that his dismissal, in 1975,
was Foreign British Royal Coup d'état against democratically elected government and that he should ask for help of Australian Army to step in.
With great sadness  in his voice Whitlam replaid: "How I can ask the army when the British queen is a  Commander-in-chief of Australian Army"?