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George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Feb 26th, 2019 at 10:40am
 
Pell is going to get a dose of his own medicine.

https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/george-pell-guilty/

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Cardinal George Pell has been found guilty of child sexual abuse after a trial in Melbourne, and is set to be jailed

Pell, the former Vatican treasurer and one of the most senior Catholic figures in the world, was found guilty by unanimous verdict back in December, but Australian media has been unable to report on it due to a suppression order issued by the court in Victoria.

Pell was found guilty of orally raping one choirboy and molesting another in Melbourne’s St Patrick’s Cathedral 22 years ago.

The court was told that Pell, in 1996 while Archbishop of Melbourne, found two choirboys drinking wine in the sacristy. He told them they were in trouble before exposing himself, and forcing one of the boys to perform oral sex on him. He then masturbated as he fondled the second boy’s genitals.

In a second incident in 1997, Pell pushed one of the boys involved in the first incident against a wall in a cathedral hallway and fondled his genitals.

County Court chief judge Peter Kidd today lifted the suppression order which has prevented local media from reporting on the result of the December trial. Pell was due to face a second trial on further sex abuse charges, but they have been dropped.

Specifically, Pell was found guilty on four charges of committing an indecent act with or in the presence of a child under 16, and one charge of sexual penetration of a child under 16.

His legal team has confirmed they will appeal the conviction.

The cardinal will be remanded in custody prior to a pre-sentencing hearing on Wednesday. He will likely be sentenced in the fortnight after that hearing.
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Reply #1 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 10:49am
 
That filthy sodomite.

Hang em and hang em high.
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Reply #2 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 11:03am
 
Pell caught on camera abusing boys Cheesy LOL

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Reply #3 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 11:16am
 
They should cut his pecker off and ram it up his arse.
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Reply #4 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 11:17am
 
Pell is going to Hell Cheesy LOL
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Reply #5 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 11:31am
 
If this bastard does not receive jail time, it will be a monumental injustice.  Angry

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Reply #6 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:07pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 11:31am:
If this bastard does not receive jail time, it will be a monumental injustice.  Angry




He'll do jail time but I bet it will be only a few years.
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Reply #7 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm
 
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.
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Reply #8 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:25pm
 
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.


They'll never change.

You've got as much chance of keeping kiddy fiddlers out of the Catholic Church as you have of keeping corruption out of the Liberal Party.

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Reply #9 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm
 
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.
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Reply #10 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.


They'll never change.

You've got as much chance of keeping kiddy fiddlers out of the Catholic Church as you have of keeping corruption out of the Liberal Party.



Well to be fair ...

...
Craig Thomson

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Sam Dastyari

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Eddie Obeid

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Reply #11 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:53pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.


They'll never change.

You've got as much chance of keeping kiddy fiddlers out of the Catholic Church as you have of keeping corruption out of the Liberal Party.



There are some wonderful people involved with the Catholic Church but the management is rotten to the core. Just last year I was hearing stories about a friend who attended her child's end of year service at school and they were passing around the plate for the Pell legal defense fund.

This made they question their commitment to sending their child to a Catholic school.

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Reply #12 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:58pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.


They'll never change.

You've got as much chance of keeping kiddy fiddlers out of the Catholic Church as you have of keeping corruption out of the Liberal Party.



Well to be fair ...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Craig_Thomson.jpg/220p...
Craig Thomson

https://www.abc.net.au/cm/lb/9249742/data/sam-dastyari-custom-data.jpg
Sam Dastyari

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Eddie Obeid

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Sure, there are corrupt people in all sorts of organisations including the Labor Party, and unions.

In the Liberal Party, however, corruption is a prerequisite for membership.

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Reply #13 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

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Reply #14 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:10pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot


Bobby, once again, confusing homosexuality with pedophilia.

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Reply #15 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.
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Reply #16 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:36pm
 
I suspect his Appeal will succeed, given the history of the matter and that, in effect, the conviction is based entirely on the evidence of just ONE victim and in the face of strong and consistent denials by Pell.

So, let's wait and see before getting excited about Pell being imprisoned.
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Reply #17 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


Really....got a link for that Bobby?
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Reply #18 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:38pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


No, you can't assume that at all.

Well, not accurately anyway.

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Reply #19 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:40pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


Really....got a link for that Bobby?



Read the opening post - it includes a link.
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Reply #20 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:45pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:40pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


Really....got a link for that Bobby?



Read the opening post - it includes a link.


I have Bobby.  Clearly, you have not.  There is nothing there about ~ "He was sodomising male arses....."
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Reply #21 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:46pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:40pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


Really....got a link for that Bobby?



Read the opening post - it includes a link.


The story says he molested a child.

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Reply #22 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:50pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:40pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


Really....got a link for that Bobby?



Read the opening post - it includes a link.


Cut & paste the actual text.

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Reply #23 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 3:25pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:36pm:
I suspect his Appeal will succeed, given the history of the matter and that, in effect, the conviction is based entirely on the evidence of just ONE victim and in the face of strong and consistent denials by Pell.

So, let's wait and see before getting excited about Pell being imprisoned.


Have been reading whatever Google and the ABC have on offer.  It seems that the Trial at which he was convicted (after the Jury deliberate for 2.5 days....and that in itself suggests issues) was the second Trial on the same charges, the first being abandoned after the Jury could not reach a verdict.
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Reply #24 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 4:02pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 3:25pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:36pm:
I suspect his Appeal will succeed, given the history of the matter and that, in effect, the conviction is based entirely on the evidence of just ONE victim and in the face of strong and consistent denials by Pell.

So, let's wait and see before getting excited about Pell being imprisoned.


Have been reading whatever Google and the ABC have on offer.  It seems that the Trial at which he was convicted (after the Jury deliberate for 2.5 days....and that in itself suggests issues) was the second Trial on the same charges, the first being abandoned after the Jury could not reach a verdict.



Convicted at the first but details couldn't be released as there was another prosecution pending. Chargers were withdrawn in the second so we now know the outcome of the first
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Reply #25 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 4:05pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:40pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


Really....got a link for that Bobby?



Read the opening post - it includes a link.


The story says he molested a child.

Spot


A good few  of them, by all accounts , some kids you just cant love to much I guess

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Reply #26 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 4:10pm
 
BigP wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 4:02pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 3:25pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:36pm:
I suspect his Appeal will succeed, given the history of the matter and that, in effect, the conviction is based entirely on the evidence of just ONE victim and in the face of strong and consistent denials by Pell.

So, let's wait and see before getting excited about Pell being imprisoned.


Have been reading whatever Google and the ABC have on offer.  It seems that the Trial at which he was convicted (after the Jury deliberate for 2.5 days....and that in itself suggests issues) was the second Trial on the same charges, the first being abandoned after the Jury could not reach a verdict.



Convicted at the first but details couldn't be released as there was another prosecution pending. Chargers were withdrawn in the second so we now know the outcome of the first


No...from what I have read...there are THREE Trials.  The first heard the same charges as were dealt with in the second.  At  the first, the Jury could not reach a verdict.  At the second...after 2.5 days of deliberation by the Jury, he was convicted.  The intended third Trial (based on allegations at some swimming pool) has been abandoned.
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Reply #27 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 4:36pm
 
Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 4:10pm:
BigP wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 4:02pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 3:25pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:36pm:
I suspect his Appeal will succeed, given the history of the matter and that, in effect, the conviction is based entirely on the evidence of just ONE victim and in the face of strong and consistent denials by Pell.

So, let's wait and see before getting excited about Pell being imprisoned.


Have been reading whatever Google and the ABC have on offer.  It seems that the Trial at which he was convicted (after the Jury deliberate for 2.5 days....and that in itself suggests issues) was the second Trial on the same charges, the first being abandoned after the Jury could not reach a verdict.



Convicted at the first but details couldn't be released as there was another prosecution pending. Chargers were withdrawn in the second so we now know the outcome of the first


No...from what I have read...there are THREE Trials.  The first heard the same charges as were dealt with in the second.  At  the first, the Jury could not reach a verdict.  At the second...after 2.5 days of deliberation by the Jury, he was convicted.  The intended third Trial (based on allegations at some swimming pool) has been abandoned.



You been readin the rong writen there Aus

I got my info from a live interview with a solid Aussie reported  .
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A jury delivered the unanimous verdict on 11 December in Melbourne’s county court, but the result was subject to a suppression order and could not be reported until now.
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Reply #29 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 4:43pm
 
BigP wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 4:36pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 4:10pm:
BigP wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 4:02pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 3:25pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:36pm:
I suspect his Appeal will succeed, given the history of the matter and that, in effect, the conviction is based entirely on the evidence of just ONE victim and in the face of strong and consistent denials by Pell.

So, let's wait and see before getting excited about Pell being imprisoned.


Have been reading whatever Google and the ABC have on offer.  It seems that the Trial at which he was convicted (after the Jury deliberate for 2.5 days....and that in itself suggests issues) was the second Trial on the same charges, the first being abandoned after the Jury could not reach a verdict.



Convicted at the first but details couldn't be released as there was another prosecution pending. Chargers were withdrawn in the second so we now know the outcome of the first


No...from what I have read...there are THREE Trials.  The first heard the same charges as were dealt with in the second.  At  the first, the Jury could not reach a verdict.  At the second...after 2.5 days of deliberation by the Jury, he was convicted.  The intended third Trial (based on allegations at some swimming pool) has been abandoned.



You been readin the rong writen there Aus

I got my info from a live interview with a solid Aussie reported  .


Nah.

Link.

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And everyone involved in the case, bar the jury, had been here before. The first jury to hear the case had to be discharged, some of them in tears, when they were not able to reach a unanimous decision.



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Wires crossed somewhere BP.....there were two trials on the first set of charges.....
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Look Aussie, whilst you have just dragged yaself outta the root sack and polishing those bumpers on your cab, I've been on the street for a couple of hours  siphoning gas and catching up with the news
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Alinta wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 4:43pm:
Wires crossed somewhere BP.....there were two trials on the first set of charges.....



Hi Alinta  how are you, you are correct, The first had a majority to convict The second found him guilty.


But this does not change the fact that there was a suppression order on his guilty finding until the other charges were resolved
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BigP wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 4:51pm:
[quote author=Alintamaille link=1551141652/30#30 date=1551163428]Wires crossed somewhere BP.....there were two trials on the first set of charges.....



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Hi Alinta  how are you, you are correct, The first had a majority to convict The second found him guilty.


Is there any link to that suggestion?


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But this does not change the fact that there was a suppression order on his guilty finding until the other charges were resolved


Yes there was that Order (for good enough reason, but quite pointless given social media and the fact that orders made in Australia do not impact outside of Australia.  I doubt anyone in Australia did not know that it was Pell who was being indirectly referred to in Australian media reports emerging in December last....and that will be of on-going judicial interest.) 

What is more unusual is that the fact that there was a preceding Trial has also been unreported until after the events of today.....well......at least........that link I gave is the only one I could find which mentions it.
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Free advice to Georgie...offer the top dog a gobbie on the first day.
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Looks like it wasn't sodomy:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/feb/26/five-times-guilty-how-geo...


Pell pulled out his penis and approached the other boy, grabbing his head.

The complainant asked Pell, “Can you let us go? We didn’t do anything.”

“I could see his [the boy’s] head being lowered towards his [Pell’s] genitalia,” the complainant recalled. “Then he sort of started squirming, he was struggling. His head was being controlled and it was down near archbishop Pell’s genitals. I was no more than a couple of metres away.”

This took place for about a minute or two. Pell stopped and turned to the complainant.

“And then he put his penis into my mouth. Archbishop Pell was standing, he was erect, and he pushed it into my mouth. He instructed me to undo my pants and take off my pants, and I did that. And then he started touching my genitalia. Archbishop Pell was touching himself on his penis with his other hand.”

When it was over the complainant, in shock, pulled up his pants. The boys left the room and tried to rejoin the procession before returning their robes.
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Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 6:08pm:
Looks like it wasn't sodomy:


How does that make you feel, Bobby?

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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 7:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 6:08pm:
Looks like it wasn't sodomy:


How does that make you feel, Bobby?




Hi Pecca,
I made a mistake.
It was assuming that sexual penetration of a minor was sodomy.
I apologise to the readers.

Notice that I'm probably the only poster here on Ozpolitic
who ever apologizes when they make a mistake?

Still - in Bobby's universe what Pell did, is a hanging offence.
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Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 7:18pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 7:09pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 6:08pm:
Looks like it wasn't sodomy:


How does that make you feel, Bobby?




Hi Pecca,
I made a mistake.
It was assuming that sexual penetration of a minor was sodomy.
I apologise to the readers.

Notice that I'm probably the only poster here on Ozpolitic
who ever apologizes when they make a mistake?

Still - in Bobby's universe what Pell did, is a hanging offence.


Perhaps if sodomy was taught in schools, these sort of mistakes wouldn't happen.

Education is the key, Bobby.

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Hopefully the sentence will reflect the gravity of his perverse activities over a long period of time, also act as an example to the other clergy who use their position of trust to abuse youngsters.
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https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/feb/26/dozens-of-journalists-accused-of-b...



Up to 100 journalists accused of breaking Pell suppression order
face possible jail terms

Prosecutors send letters to publishers, editors and reporters at News Corp, the ABC and others


As many as 100 journalists have been threatened with a charge of contempt of court – and could face possible jail terms – over reporting of the Cardinal George Pell trial.

Victoria’s director of public prosecutions, Kerri Judd QC, has written to as many as 100 individual publishers, editors, broadcasters, reporters and subeditors at the media giants News Corp Australia, Nine Entertainment, the ABC, Crikey and several smaller publications, accusing them of breaching a nationwide suppression order imposed during the case. Nine’s Melbourne masthead The Age alone received more than 30 letters.

Show-cause notices were sent to the journalists in early February saying that they had potentially interfered with the administration of justice and scandalised the court.

The ones who do not have a strong enough explanation could be prosecuted.

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Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 7:27pm:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/feb/26/dozens-of-journalists-accused-of-b...



Up to 100 journalists accused of breaking Pell suppression order
face possible jail terms

Prosecutors send letters to publishers, editors and reporters at News Corp, the ABC and others


As many as 100 journalists have been threatened with a charge of contempt of court – and could face possible jail terms – over reporting of the Cardinal George Pell trial.

Victoria’s director of public prosecutions, Kerri Judd QC, has written to as many as 100 individual publishers, editors, broadcasters, reporters and subeditors at the media giants News Corp Australia, Nine Entertainment, the ABC, Crikey and several smaller publications, accusing them of breaching a nationwide suppression order imposed during the case. Nine’s Melbourne masthead The Age alone received more than 30 letters.

Show-cause notices were sent to the journalists in early February saying that they had potentially interfered with the administration of justice and scandalised the court.

The ones who do not have a strong enough explanation could be prosecuted.


They probably should have waited until the appeal.
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Johnnie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 7:47pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 7:27pm:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/feb/26/dozens-of-journalists-accused-of-b...



Up to 100 journalists accused of breaking Pell suppression order
face possible jail terms

Prosecutors send letters to publishers, editors and reporters at News Corp, the ABC and others


As many as 100 journalists have been threatened with a charge of contempt of court – and could face possible jail terms – over reporting of the Cardinal George Pell trial.

Victoria’s director of public prosecutions, Kerri Judd QC, has written to as many as 100 individual publishers, editors, broadcasters, reporters and subeditors at the media giants News Corp Australia, Nine Entertainment, the ABC, Crikey and several smaller publications, accusing them of breaching a nationwide suppression order imposed during the case. Nine’s Melbourne masthead The Age alone received more than 30 letters.

Show-cause notices were sent to the journalists in early February saying that they had potentially interfered with the administration of justice and scandalised the court.

The ones who do not have a strong enough explanation could be prosecuted.


They probably should have waited until the appeal.



Pell might use that to get off in his appeal.
He could say that the jury was prejudiced.

Yes - Pell could still get away with it!
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Reply #43 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 7:51pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 7:49pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 7:47pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 7:27pm:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/feb/26/dozens-of-journalists-accused-of-b...



Up to 100 journalists accused of breaking Pell suppression order
face possible jail terms

Prosecutors send letters to publishers, editors and reporters at News Corp, the ABC and others


As many as 100 journalists have been threatened with a charge of contempt of court – and could face possible jail terms – over reporting of the Cardinal George Pell trial.

Victoria’s director of public prosecutions, Kerri Judd QC, has written to as many as 100 individual publishers, editors, broadcasters, reporters and subeditors at the media giants News Corp Australia, Nine Entertainment, the ABC, Crikey and several smaller publications, accusing them of breaching a nationwide suppression order imposed during the case. Nine’s Melbourne masthead The Age alone received more than 30 letters.

Show-cause notices were sent to the journalists in early February saying that they had potentially interfered with the administration of justice and scandalised the court.

The ones who do not have a strong enough explanation could be prosecuted.


They probably should have waited until the appeal.



Pell might use that to get off in his appeal.
He could say that the jury was prejudiced.


Yes - Pell could still get away with it!



Bloody Hell!  Bobby, can you explain how the Jury who convicted Pell was prejudiced despite the suppression order?
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Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 7:51pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 7:49pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 7:47pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 7:27pm:
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/feb/26/dozens-of-journalists-accused-of-b...



Up to 100 journalists accused of breaking Pell suppression order
face possible jail terms

Prosecutors send letters to publishers, editors and reporters at News Corp, the ABC and others


As many as 100 journalists have been threatened with a charge of contempt of court – and could face possible jail terms – over reporting of the Cardinal George Pell trial.

Victoria’s director of public prosecutions, Kerri Judd QC, has written to as many as 100 individual publishers, editors, broadcasters, reporters and subeditors at the media giants News Corp Australia, Nine Entertainment, the ABC, Crikey and several smaller publications, accusing them of breaching a nationwide suppression order imposed during the case. Nine’s Melbourne masthead The Age alone received more than 30 letters.

Show-cause notices were sent to the journalists in early February saying that they had potentially interfered with the administration of justice and scandalised the court.

The ones who do not have a strong enough explanation could be prosecuted.


They probably should have waited until the appeal.



Pell might use that to get off in his appeal.
He could say that the jury was prejudiced.


Yes - Pell could still get away with it!



Bloody Hell!  Bobby, can you explain how the Jury who convicted Pell was prejudiced despite the suppression order?



The jury was biased because the press  "interfered with the administration of justice and scandalised the court."
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How, Bobby?
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Just in case, its always good to be ready.
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How, Bobby?


Ask -
Victoria’s director of public prosecutions, Kerri Judd QC
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Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:05pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 7:59pm:
How, Bobby?


Ask -
Victoria’s director of public prosecutions, Kerri Judd QC


Bobby...tell me the chronology of the Trials/suppression order.
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What does Abbott mean by "interesting" here?  Huh

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The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.



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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #52 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:29pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:05pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 7:59pm:
How, Bobby?


Ask -
Victoria’s director of public prosecutions, Kerri Judd QC


I was because the jury found Pell guilty the suppression order was granted Bobby....The press allegedly broke the suppression order by reporting on the guilty verdict....I hope that helps???

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philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh


I'm not convinced, one way or the other.

Juries get it wrong all the time.

I'll wait for the appeal.

One man's word against another; no witnesses; and he voluntarily returned to Australia when he didn't need to.





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philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh


Yes.  But....the first group of 12 in the first Trial could not agree on a verdict.  This jury in the second Trial took three days to come to a decision.  Does that not, of itself, suggest there was long held dissension among the Jury until a minority capitulated...as anyone easily could just to get away from it...after three days?

Nah.....this decision is unsatisfactory on what I have read, and on that basis, is vulnerable as perverse.
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Reply #55 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:41pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh


I'm not convinced, one way or the other.

Juries get it wrong all the time.

I'll wait for the appeal.

One man's word against another; no witnesses; and he voluntarily returned to Australia when he didn't need to.






A jury has voted unanimously, this goose is cooked.
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philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh



I just want to get the hanging over and done with then
get on with the next trial of a pedophile.
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Aussie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh


Yes.  But....the first group of 12 in the first Trial could not agree on a verdict.  This jury in the second Trial took three days to come to a decision.  Does that not, of itself, suggest there was long held dissension among the Jury until a minority capitulated...as anyone easily could just to get away from it...after three days?

Nah.....this decision is unsatisfactory on what I have read, and on that basis, is vulnerable as perverse.


I don't particularly like the man, and I certainly don't like his religion or church.

However, I'm looking at this as objectively as I can.

"So, what have the witnesses told us"?

"Um, there are no witnesses".

"Oh. So what evidence do we have"?

"None. It's just one man's word against another. That's it".

"Oh, I see. And how difficult was it to get Pell to leave Italy and come to Australia to face the charges - lots of extradition orders, etc.?"

"Ah, no.  Pell came to Australia voluntarily, even though he was under no legal obligation to do so".
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Reply #58 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:49pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh


I'm not convinced, one way or the other.

Juries get it wrong all the time.

I'll wait for the appeal.

One man's word against another; no witnesses; and he voluntarily returned to Australia when he didn't need to.






A jury has voted unanimously, this goose is cooked.


You seem more confused than usual.

Nobody is disputing the fact that a jury has voted unanimously.

Tell me this, though - has a jury ever got it wrong?

A simple yes or no will suffice.



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Many blessings ,

and it is becoming all too clear , that

All these priests are satanic peadophile freemasons

The exposure continues ,

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No surprises here as greggy again shows his colours

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Reply #61 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:56pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh


I'm not convinced, one way or the other.

Juries get it wrong all the time.

I'll wait for the appeal.

One man's word against another; no witnesses; and he voluntarily returned to Australia when he didn't need to.


I thought it was 2 boys men who made allegations some time ago....The DPP believed there was enough evidence to prosecute and win....As for Pell's motives for returning....He still claims he is innocent....The jury heard all the evidence....We only know the headlines....The appeal should be interesting???

Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #62 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:58pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:54pm:
Many blessings ,

and it is becoming all too clear , that

All these priests are satanic peadophile freemasons

The exposure continues ,

And so it goes

Namaste




dear master Light,
many blessings.
And yet many such as the Peccahead are going out of their way to defend such pedophile Freemasons.

and so it is 

namaste
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it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:55pm:
No surprises here as greggy again shows his colours

Exposed and forgiven

Namaste


Indeed, I AM showing my true colours.

That is, I like to look at things objectively.

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Reply #64 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:03pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:58pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:54pm:
Many blessings ,

and it is becoming all too clear , that

All these priests are satanic peadophile freemasons

The exposure continues ,

And so it goes

Namaste




dear master Light,
many blessings.
And yet many such as the Peccahead are going out of their way to defend such pedophile Freemasons.

and so it is 

namaste


Many blessings dear brother , and it is a well known fact

That freemasons are bound by oath to protect each other and defend another mason from critical observance ...

And to discard and belittle any evidence brought forth against another freemason ...

Interesting and abundantly fun times we do experience now

As the freemasonic agenda is illuminated  ....

In accordance with the divine plan yes

And so be that

Namaste

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Reply #65 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:06pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:59pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:55pm:
No surprises here as greggy again shows his colours

Exposed and forgiven

Namaste


Indeed, I AM showing my true colours.

That is, I like to look at things objectively.



Nothing wrong with that Greg....But until the appeal is heard George Pell is guilty of molesting two 13 year old boys....Even if the appeal is upheld Pell is greatly diminished in his standing and reputation....I don't see why you have to believe Pell over his accusers???

Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #66 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:12pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:58pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:54pm:
Many blessings ,

and it is becoming all too clear , that

All these priests are satanic peadophile freemasons

The exposure continues ,

And so it goes

Namaste




dear master Light,
many blessings.
And yet many such as the Peccahead are going out of their way to defend such pedophile Freemasons.

and so it is 

namaste


In which post have I defended a pedophile?

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Reply #67 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:16pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:49pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh


I'm not convinced, one way or the other.

Juries get it wrong all the time.

I'll wait for the appeal.

One man's word against another; no witnesses; and he voluntarily returned to Australia when he didn't need to.






A jury has voted unanimously, this goose is cooked.


You seem more confused than usual.

Nobody is disputing the fact that a jury has voted unanimously.

Tell me this, though - has a jury ever got it wrong?

A simple yes or no will suffice.




I don't believe he is guilty, it just seems too far- fetched.
The jurors are privy to stuff which we have to accept they based their verdict on, what else can you do.
So hang him.
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Reply #68 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:17pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:59pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:55pm:
No surprises here as greggy again shows his colours

Exposed and forgiven

Namaste


Indeed, I AM showing my true colours.

That is, I like to look at things objectively.



Nothing wrong with that Greg....But until the appeal is heard George Pell is guilty of molesting two 13 year old boys....Even if the appeal is upheld Pell is greatly diminished in his standing and reputation....I don't see why you have to believe Pell over his accusers???

Huh Huh Huh


I have never, at any point, said that I believe Pell over his accusers.

I'm really not sure where you're getting that from.

Don't be like those two morons - Bobby and Light - and put words into my mouth.

Moreover, I know that he has been found guilty of molesting two boys - I've never denied that fact.

Now, if his appeal is successful, will you accept that decision?

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Reply #69 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:20pm
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:03pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:58pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:54pm:
Many blessings ,

and it is becoming all too clear , that

All these priests are satanic peadophile freemasons

The exposure continues ,

And so it goes

Namaste




dear master Light,
many blessings.
And yet many such as the Peccahead are going out of their way to defend such pedophile Freemasons.

and so it is 

namaste


Many blessings dear brother , and it is a well known fact

That freemasons are bound by oath to protect each other and defend another mason from critical observance ...

And to discard and belittle any evidence brought forth against another freemason ...

Interesting and abundantly fun times we do experience now

As the freemasonic agenda is illuminated  ....

In accordance with the divine plan yes

And so be that

Namaste



dear brother being,
so - are we seeing freemasonic activity right here on Ozpolitic?
Don't they realise that they can't win for it is said:

Matt 10.     KJV


[26] Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.

[27] What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
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Reply #70 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:32pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:17pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:59pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:55pm:
No surprises here as greggy again shows his colours

Exposed and forgiven

Namaste


Indeed, I AM showing my true colours.

That is, I like to look at things objectively.



Nothing wrong with that Greg....But until the appeal is heard George Pell is guilty of molesting two 13 year old boys....Even if the appeal is upheld Pell is greatly diminished in his standing and reputation....I don't see why you have to believe Pell over his accusers???

Huh Huh Huh


I have never, at any point, said that I believe Pell over his accusers.

I'm really not sure where you're getting that from.

Don't be like those two morons - Bobby and Light - and put words into my mouth.

Moreover, I know that he has been found guilty of molesting two boys - I've never denied that fact.

Now, if his appeal is successful, will you accept that decision?



From my previous post:

"I'm not convinced, one way or the other."

I am being completely open-minded and objective here.



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Reply #71 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:33pm
 
Started a poll -

"Should Pell be hanged? "
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Reply #72 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:34pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:32pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:17pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:59pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:55pm:
No surprises here as greggy again shows his colours

Exposed and forgiven

Namaste


Indeed, I AM showing my true colours.

That is, I like to look at things objectively.



Nothing wrong with that Greg....But until the appeal is heard George Pell is guilty of molesting two 13 year old boys....Even if the appeal is upheld Pell is greatly diminished in his standing and reputation....I don't see why you have to believe Pell over his accusers???

Huh Huh Huh


I have never, at any point, said that I believe Pell over his accusers.

I'm really not sure where you're getting that from.

Don't be like those two morons - Bobby and Light - and put words into my mouth.

Moreover, I know that he has been found guilty of molesting two boys - I've never denied that fact.

Now, if his appeal is successful, will you accept that decision?



From my previous post:

"I'm not convinced, one way or the other."

I'm am being completely open-minded and objective here.




Then cast your vote.
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Reply #73 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:37pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:17pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:59pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:55pm:
No surprises here as greggy again shows his colours

Exposed and forgiven

Namaste


Indeed, I AM showing my true colours.

That is, I like to look at things objectively.



Nothing wrong with that Greg....But until the appeal is heard George Pell is guilty of molesting two 13 year old boys....Even if the appeal is upheld Pell is greatly diminished in his standing and reputation....I don't see why you have to believe Pell over his accusers???

Huh Huh Huh


I have never, at any point, said that I believe Pell over his accusers.

I'm really not sure where you're getting that from.

Don't be like those two morons - Bobby and Light - and put words into my mouth.

Moreover, I know that he has been found guilty of molesting two boys - I've never denied that fact.

Now, if his appeal is successful, will you accept that decision?



You have cast doubt over his conviction which is your prerogative....If Pell is found completely innocent, acquitted on a technicality or found guilty on all charges I doubt it will change many peoples belief....Pell is guilty in the court of public opinion....His reputation is in tatters forever???

Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #74 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:37pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:58pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:54pm:
Many blessings ,

and it is becoming all too clear , that

All these priests are satanic peadophile freemasons

The exposure continues ,

And so it goes

Namaste




dear master Light,
many blessings.
And yet many such as the Peccahead are going out of their way to defend such pedophile Freemasons.

and so it is 

namaste


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Reply #75 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 10:00pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:49pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh


I'm not convinced, one way or the other.

Juries get it wrong all the time.

I'll wait for the appeal.

One man's word against another; no witnesses; and he voluntarily returned to Australia when he didn't need to.






A jury has voted unanimously, this goose is cooked.


You seem more confused than usual.

Nobody is disputing the fact that a jury has voted unanimously.

Tell me this, though - has a jury ever got it wrong?

A simple yes or no will suffice.




I don't believe he is guilty, it just seems too far- fetched.
The jurors are privy to stuff which we have to accept they based their verdict on, what else can you do.
So hang him.


Pell would have had the best lawyers the Church could buy....The DPP did a great job even getting this case to court with all the legal arguments the defence would have put forward....I believe Pell will be found guilty on appeal unless there is a technicality in the administration of the law???

Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #76 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 10:05pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 10:00pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:49pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh


I'm not convinced, one way or the other.

Juries get it wrong all the time.

I'll wait for the appeal.

One man's word against another; no witnesses; and he voluntarily returned to Australia when he didn't need to.






A jury has voted unanimously, this goose is cooked.


You seem more confused than usual.

Nobody is disputing the fact that a jury has voted unanimously.

Tell me this, though - has a jury ever got it wrong?

A simple yes or no will suffice.




I don't believe he is guilty, it just seems too far- fetched.
The jurors are privy to stuff which we have to accept they based their verdict on, what else can you do.
So hang him.


Pell would have had the best lawyers the Church could buy....The DPP did a great job even getting this case to court with all the legal arguments the defence would have put forward....I believe Pell will be found guilty on appeal unless there is a technicality in the administration of the law???

Huh Huh Huh



Of course he's guilty.
What a hypocrite he is.
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It is an interesting point that Greg raises. Pell had nothing to gain and everything to lose when he had a get of Gaol free card. I remember watching the never ending media circus of Lindy Chamberlain who was convicted by a jury and later found innocent.
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oh dear wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 10:19pm:
It is an interesting point that Greg raises. Pell had nothing to gain and everything to lose when he had a get of Gaol free card. I remember watching the never ending media circus of Lindy Chamberlain who was convicted by a jury and later found innocent.


How much pressure would the Vatican have put on Pell to answer the charges considering he protested his innocence....He had the best lawyers the churches money could buy....I fail too see why anyone would not accept his guilt based on the fact he denies the charges???

Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #79 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 11:31pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:59pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:55pm:
No surprises here as greggy again shows his colours

Exposed and forgiven

Namaste


Indeed, I AM showing my true colours.

That is, I like to look at things objectively.



Nothing wrong with that Greg....But until the appeal is heard George Pell is guilty of molesting two 13 year old boys....Even if the appeal is upheld Pell is greatly diminished in his standing and reputation....I don't see why you have to believe Pell over his accusers???

Huh Huh Huh


Hmm - Law says that with an appeal pending, guilt is set aside... he may continue to be guilty in the eyes of the public.. but legally, not so.

This is a problem we have - a person on appeal can be legally 'innocent' pending the outcome of the appeal, yet still be held to judgement.  Penalty is suspended pending appeal.....
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Reply #80 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 11:38pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:32pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:17pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:59pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:55pm:
No surprises here as greggy again shows his colours

Exposed and forgiven

Namaste


Indeed, I AM showing my true colours.

That is, I like to look at things objectively.



Nothing wrong with that Greg....But until the appeal is heard George Pell is guilty of molesting two 13 year old boys....Even if the appeal is upheld Pell is greatly diminished in his standing and reputation....I don't see why you have to believe Pell over his accusers???

Huh Huh Huh


I have never, at any point, said that I believe Pell over his accusers.

I'm really not sure where you're getting that from.

Don't be like those two morons - Bobby and Light - and put words into my mouth.

Moreover, I know that he has been found guilty of molesting two boys - I've never denied that fact.

Now, if his appeal is successful, will you accept that decision?



From my previous post:

"I'm not convinced, one way or the other."

I am being completely open-minded and objective here.





Under our existing legal system and jurisprudence, with their incredible bias towards the accuser and often actual abuse of the rights of the defendant, now coupled with the 'rights of the victim', and based on an endless array of cases where innocent people have been sent to prison and even executed - there can never be anything but doubt.

Problem is - if there is doubt, there can be no conviction.

The Law says 'reasonable doubt' - that has been extended a little to 'any reasonable doubt', a much finer standard to apply - but our system is rife with wrongful convictions based on flawed or incomplete evidence, bias such as the automatic presumption in the public eye, and juries, that 'they wouldn't be there if they didn't do it', and on the rights of the defendant being upheld  more in the breach than in the honouring.

Greg is in WA - a state with an extensive history of wrongful conviction and even false conviction, so he may be aware of the issues.
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Reply #81 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 12:02am
 
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:03pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:58pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:54pm:
Many blessings ,

and it is becoming all too clear , that

All these priests are satanic peadophile freemasons

The exposure continues ,

And so it goes

Namaste




dear master Light,
many blessings.
And yet many such as the Peccahead are going out of their way to defend such pedophile Freemasons.

and so it is 

namaste


Many blessings dear brother , and it is a well known fact

That freemasons are bound by oath to protect each other and defend another mason from critical observance ...

And to discard and belittle any evidence brought forth against another freemason ...

Interesting and abundantly fun times we do experience now

As the freemasonic agenda is illuminated  ....

In accordance with the divine plan yes

And so be that

Namaste


many blessings ,and not long now

till humanity awakens and realizes these freemasonic criminal priests have been raping children for centuries and have targeted humanitys most vulnerable and precious ones ..

and so yes forgiveness straight after the hangings one may mention

Satanic Child Rape/Sacrifice


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1550959219

Freemasonry on Trial


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1341788447/1401#1401

not long now ..

namaste

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Reply #82 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 12:14am
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6745065/The-chilling-words-George-Pell-...

'You're in trouble': The chilling words George Pell uttered before raping a 13-year-old Catholic boy and molesting another - before sending them back to choir


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many blessings master Light.


And yet - Catholics are defending Pell.


https://nypost.com/2018/12/31/the-unfair-anti-catholic-conviction-of-cardinal-ge...

George Weigel, John Paul II’s ­biographer, holds the William ­Simon Chair in Catholic Studies at the Ethics and Public Policy Center.


The unfair, anti-Catholic conviction of Cardinal George Pell.

No one with a sense of justice can fail to be outraged when, in “To Kill a Mockingbird,” a jury in Maycomb, Ala., bows to social pressure and convicts an innocent man of a crime he couldn’t have committed.

Something similar took place last month in real-world Melbourne, Australia, where Cardinal George Pell was falsely and perversely convicted on charges of “historic sexual abuse” dating to the 1990s.


Australian media barred from covering cardinal's conviction for sex abuse
The facts of the case have been hard to come by, owing to a media gag order issued by the trial judge. A journalistic feeding frenzy has long surrounded Pell, the former Catholic archbishop of Melbourne and Sydney and later the Vatican’s chief ­financial officer.
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Reply #84 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:27am
 
THese people falling over themselves to defend him are almost as bad in my eyes.


Bolt especially. As pedestrian.tv stated a convicted racist defends a convicted paedophile.
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Additionally, as someone I read on Twitter pointed out, if this was a Muslim cleric, there'd be an outcry demanding all Muslims apologise and condemn those actions.


Funny, when the shoe is on the other foot.
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Reply #86 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:33am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:10pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

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Bobby, once again, confusing homosexuality with pedophilia.

Roll Eyes


His prey are males.
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Reply #87 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:37am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 11:38pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:32pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:17pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:59pm:
it_is_the_light wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:55pm:
No surprises here as greggy again shows his colours

Exposed and forgiven

Namaste


Indeed, I AM showing my true colours.

That is, I like to look at things objectively.



Nothing wrong with that Greg....But until the appeal is heard George Pell is guilty of molesting two 13 year old boys....Even if the appeal is upheld Pell is greatly diminished in his standing and reputation....I don't see why you have to believe Pell over his accusers???

Huh Huh Huh


I have never, at any point, said that I believe Pell over his accusers.

I'm really not sure where you're getting that from.

Don't be like those two morons - Bobby and Light - and put words into my mouth.

Moreover, I know that he has been found guilty of molesting two boys - I've never denied that fact.

Now, if his appeal is successful, will you accept that decision?



From my previous post:

"I'm not convinced, one way or the other."

I am being completely open-minded and objective here.





Under our existing legal system and jurisprudence, with their incredible bias towards the accuser and often actual abuse of the rights of the defendant, now coupled with the 'rights of the victim', and based on an endless array of cases where innocent people have been sent to prison and even executed - there can never be anything but doubt.

Problem is - if there is doubt, there can be no conviction.

The Law says 'reasonable doubt' - that has been extended a little to 'any reasonable doubt', a much finer standard to apply - but our system is rife with wrongful convictions based on flawed or incomplete evidence, bias such as the automatic presumption in the public eye, and juries, that 'they wouldn't be there if they didn't do it', and on the rights of the defendant being upheld  more in the breach than in the honouring.

Greg is in WA - a state with an extensive history of wrongful conviction and even false conviction, so he may be aware of the issues.


Well said.

I remain open-minded and objective, despite that being an alien concept in this forum.
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:32am:
Additionally, as someone I read on Twitter pointed out, if this was a Muslim cleric, there'd be an outcry demanding all Muslims apologise and condemn those actions.


Funny, when the shoe is on the other foot.


many blessings ,

and yet many are still ignorant

muslim clerics , catholic priests, jewish rabbis and so on.. many documented cases exist , of child abuse and yet they are all linked as satanic freemasons raping children

secret society dont you know .

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Reply #89 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:43am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:32am:
Additionally, as someone I read on Twitter pointed out, if this was a Muslim cleric, there'd be an outcry demanding all Muslims apologise and condemn those actions.


Funny, when the shoe is on the other foot.



I for one have never asked a Muslim to apologise for others mistakes...

I think you are stretching it a bit..
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and lets face ot Catholics have also been condemned left and right for years........it is and always will be a terrible crime....

Pell I feel did not do his duty  when he was in Power  and yes I do believe he looked after the Church before
gods children........ isnt hindsight a wonderful thing....

but  and there is a but  for me  I find it very difficult to believe  this abuse...one instance... reeks to me...we all know these priest were guilt of multiple  awful acts...over and over....... from what i know it never stops.....


I am just not 100% convinced....
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THese people falling over themselves to defend him are almost as bad in my eyes.


Bolt especially. As pedestrian.tv stated a convicted racist defends a convicted paedophile.



you must have loved all those who were shouting.. abuse at Pell as he left court.....must have made you and bobby feel real good....
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Reply #91 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:49am
 
cods wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:43am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:32am:
Additionally, as someone I read on Twitter pointed out, if this was a Muslim cleric, there'd be an outcry demanding all Muslims apologise and condemn those actions.


Funny, when the shoe is on the other foot.



I for one have never asked a Muslim to apologise for others mistakes...

I think you are stretching it a bit..
'
and lets face ot Catholics have also been condemned left and right for years........it is and always will be a terrible crime....

Pell I feel did not do his duty  when he was in Power  and yes I do believe he looked after the Church before
gods children........ isnt hindsight a wonderful thing....

but  and there is a but  for me  I find it very difficult to believe  this abuse...one instance... reeks to me...we all know these priest were guilt of multiple  awful acts...over and over....... from what i know it never stops.....


I am just not 100% convinced....


You know something's not quite right when cods and I agree on something.

He's not a particularly nice man, and his church and colleagues have form - lots of form.

However, looking at this objectively, as a reasonable person, a lot of things just don't seem right.

I remain open-minded and objective.

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Reply #93 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:32am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


No, you can't assume that at all.

Well, not accurately anyway.



One of the charges he was found guilty off was "sexual penetration of a child".
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Reply #94 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:36am
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


No, you can't assume that at all.

Well, not accurately anyway.



One of the charges he was found guilty off was "sexual penetration of a child".


Correct.

How does that prove he's gay?

Not that there's anything ...

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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh


I'm not convinced, one way or the other.

Juries get it wrong all the time.

I'll wait for the appeal.

One man's word against another; no witnesses; and he voluntarily returned to Australia when he didn't need to.







Going by your logic I'd suggest you also give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt over the alleged incidents he was accused of ....no?
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Reply #96 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:40am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:36am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


No, you can't assume that at all.

Well, not accurately anyway.



One of the charges he was found guilty off was "sexual penetration of a child".


Correct.

How does that prove he's gay?

Not that there's anything ...



Were they boys?

I believe they were Altar/Choir Boys

one of Priests favourites the world over.

They molest boys but they're not gay ey?
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Reply #97 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:42am
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:38am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh


I'm not convinced, one way or the other.

Juries get it wrong all the time.

I'll wait for the appeal.

One man's word against another; no witnesses; and he voluntarily returned to Australia when he didn't need to.







Going by your logic I'd suggest you also give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt over the alleged incidents he was accused of ....no?


Absolutely.

I have never accused Donald Trump of being a child rapist.

Having said that, there is an official witness statement alleging that he raped a child and then threatened to kill her.

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Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:36am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


No, you can't assume that at all.

Well, not accurately anyway.



One of the charges he was found guilty off was "sexual penetration of a child".


Correct.

How does that prove he's gay?

Not that there's anything ...



Were they boys?

I believe they were Altar/Choir Boys

one of Priests favourites the world over.

They molest boys but they're not gay ey?


You're confusing a homosexual act with homosexuality.

If you were gang raped by a dozen homosexual me, that does not make you gay.

Similarly, if you ever find yourself in prison and decide to have sex with a man (as there will be no women available) that doesn't make you a homosexual.

Sexual acts, and sexuality - two different things.



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Reply #99 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:48am
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:36am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


No, you can't assume that at all.

Well, not accurately anyway.



One of the charges he was found guilty off was "sexual penetration of a child".


Correct.

How does that prove he's gay?

Not that there's anything ...



Were they boys?

I believe they were Altar/Choir Boys

one of Priests favourites the world over.

They molest boys but they're not gay ey?


They molest children. There are prolly more boys than girls there. I do know of girls being molested in an anglican church in the 80s though.

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Reply #100 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:48am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:42am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:38am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh


I'm not convinced, one way or the other.

Juries get it wrong all the time.

I'll wait for the appeal.

One man's word against another; no witnesses; and he voluntarily returned to Australia when he didn't need to.







Going by your logic I'd suggest you also give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt over the alleged incidents he was accused of ....no?


Absolutely.

I have never accused Donald Trump of being a child rapist.

Having said that, there is an official witness statement alleging that he raped a child and then threatened to kill her.



There are 2 witnesses who gave statements against Pell ... both male ..... it's been to court twice ....

he's been found guilty by a jury of 12 .... he is appealing the conviction.
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Reply #101 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:51am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:45am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:36am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


No, you can't assume that at all.

Well, not accurately anyway.



One of the charges he was found guilty off was "sexual penetration of a child".


Correct.

How does that prove he's gay?

Not that there's anything ...



Were they boys?

I believe they were Altar/Choir Boys

one of Priests favourites the world over.

They molest boys but they're not gay ey?


You're confusing a homosexual act with homosexuality.

If you were gang raped by a dozen homosexual me, that does not make you gay.

Similarly, if you ever find yourself in prison and decide to have sex with a man (as there will be no women available) that doesn't make you a homosexual.

Sexual acts, and sexuality - two different things.





Peccar I doubt the 2 accusers are gay

Pell knowingly molested 2 boys

I'm sure there was a choice of selecting/targeting girls in his congregation if he wasn't gay.
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Reply #102 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:54am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:45am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:36am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


No, you can't assume that at all.

Well, not accurately anyway.



One of the charges he was found guilty off was "sexual penetration of a child".


Correct.

How does that prove he's gay?

Not that there's anything ...



Were they boys?

I believe they were Altar/Choir Boys

one of Priests favourites the world over.

They molest boys but they're not gay ey?


You're confusing a homosexual act with homosexuality.

If you were gang raped by a dozen homosexual me, that does not make you gay.

Similarly, if you ever find yourself in prison and decide to have sex with a man (as there will be no women available) that doesn't make you a homosexual.

Sexual acts, and sexuality - two different things.





Grin Grin You've never f*#ked a poofdah but you f#*ked a bloke who has ey?

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #103 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:54am
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:48am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:42am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:38am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh


I'm not convinced, one way or the other.

Juries get it wrong all the time.

I'll wait for the appeal.

One man's word against another; no witnesses; and he voluntarily returned to Australia when he didn't need to.







Going by your logic I'd suggest you also give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt over the alleged incidents he was accused of ....no?


Absolutely.

I have never accused Donald Trump of being a child rapist.

Having said that, there is an official witness statement alleging that he raped a child and then threatened to kill her.



There are 2 witnesses who gave statements against Pell ... both male ..... it's been to court twice ....

he's been found guilty by a jury of 12 .... he is appealing the conviction.


Witnesses, not victims?

Okay, I wasn't aware of that.

Do you have a link?

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #104 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:58am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:48am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:36am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


No, you can't assume that at all.

Well, not accurately anyway.



One of the charges he was found guilty off was "sexual penetration of a child".


Correct.

How does that prove he's gay?

Not that there's anything ...



Were they boys?

I believe they were Altar/Choir Boys

one of Priests favourites the world over.

They molest boys but they're not gay ey?


They molest children. There are prolly more boys than girls there. I do know of girls being molested in an anglican church in the 80s though.

Spot


No one is denying that children of both sexes get molested by paedophiles .....

in the majority of cases within the Catholic Church it's been molestation of boys.


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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #105 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:58am
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:54am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:45am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:36am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


No, you can't assume that at all.

Well, not accurately anyway.



One of the charges he was found guilty off was "sexual penetration of a child".


Correct.

How does that prove he's gay?

Not that there's anything ...



Were they boys?

I believe they were Altar/Choir Boys

one of Priests favourites the world over.

They molest boys but they're not gay ey?


You're confusing a homosexual act with homosexuality.

If you were gang raped by a dozen homosexual me, that does not make you gay.

Similarly, if you ever find yourself in prison and decide to have sex with a man (as there will be no women available) that doesn't make you a homosexual.

Sexual acts, and sexuality - two different things.





Grin Grin You've never f*#ked a poofdah but you f#*ked a bloke who has ey?

Of course you're not gay  Grin Grin


Performing a homosexual act doesn't necessarily make one gay.

Like I said: you're confusing sex with sexuality.

If a wife with two kids, married to her husband for 30 years, gets drunk and spends one experimental night of passion with a female friend, does that make her a homosexual?
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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #106 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:00am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:54am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:48am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:42am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:38am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh


I'm not convinced, one way or the other.

Juries get it wrong all the time.

I'll wait for the appeal.

One man's word against another; no witnesses; and he voluntarily returned to Australia when he didn't need to.







Going by your logic I'd suggest you also give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt over the alleged incidents he was accused of ....no?


Absolutely.

I have never accused Donald Trump of being a child rapist.

Having said that, there is an official witness statement alleging that he raped a child and then threatened to kill her.



There are 2 witnesses who gave statements against Pell ... both male ..... it's been to court twice ....

he's been found guilty by a jury of 12 .... he is appealing the conviction.


Witnesses, not victims?

Okay, I wasn't aware of that.

Do you have a link?



So the victims can't be a witness?

The witness has to be someone secondary there at the time?

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #107 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:03am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:58am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:54am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:45am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:36am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


No, you can't assume that at all.

Well, not accurately anyway.



One of the charges he was found guilty off was "sexual penetration of a child".


Correct.

How does that prove he's gay?

Not that there's anything ...



Were they boys?

I believe they were Altar/Choir Boys

one of Priests favourites the world over.

They molest boys but they're not gay ey?


You're confusing a homosexual act with homosexuality.

If you were gang raped by a dozen homosexual me, that does not make you gay.

Similarly, if you ever find yourself in prison and decide to have sex with a man (as there will be no women available) that doesn't make you a homosexual.

Sexual acts, and sexuality - two different things.





Grin Grin You've never f*#ked a poofdah but you f#*ked a bloke who has ey?

Of course you're not gay  Grin Grin


Performing a homosexual act doesn't necessarily make one gay.

Like I said: you're confusing sex with sexuality.

If a wife with two kids, married to her husband for 30 years, gets drunk and spends one experimental night of passion with a female friend, does that make her a homosexual?


It's not about females is it?

Anyway I have a double standard there .... and it happens all the time.

Young women today switch hit to suit their circumstances.

Not so much with men Peccar.
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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #108 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:04am
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:00am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:54am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:48am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:42am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:38am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh


I'm not convinced, one way or the other.

Juries get it wrong all the time.

I'll wait for the appeal.

One man's word against another; no witnesses; and he voluntarily returned to Australia when he didn't need to.







Going by your logic I'd suggest you also give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt over the alleged incidents he was accused of ....no?


Absolutely.

I have never accused Donald Trump of being a child rapist.

Having said that, there is an official witness statement alleging that he raped a child and then threatened to kill her.



There are 2 witnesses who gave statements against Pell ... both male ..... it's been to court twice ....

he's been found guilty by a jury of 12 .... he is appealing the conviction.


Witnesses, not victims?

Okay, I wasn't aware of that.

Do you have a link?



So the victims can't be a witness?

The witness has to be someone secondary there at the time?



Apart from the two victims - one of which was a drug addict - is there anyone claiming to have witnessed the crime?

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #109 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:07am
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:03am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:58am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:54am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:45am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:36am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


No, you can't assume that at all.

Well, not accurately anyway.



One of the charges he was found guilty off was "sexual penetration of a child".


Correct.

How does that prove he's gay?

Not that there's anything ...



Were they boys?

I believe they were Altar/Choir Boys

one of Priests favourites the world over.

They molest boys but they're not gay ey?


You're confusing a homosexual act with homosexuality.

If you were gang raped by a dozen homosexual me, that does not make you gay.

Similarly, if you ever find yourself in prison and decide to have sex with a man (as there will be no women available) that doesn't make you a homosexual.

Sexual acts, and sexuality - two different things.





Grin Grin You've never f*#ked a poofdah but you f#*ked a bloke who has ey?

Of course you're not gay  Grin Grin


Performing a homosexual act doesn't necessarily make one gay.

Like I said: you're confusing sex with sexuality.

If a wife with two kids, married to her husband for 30 years, gets drunk and spends one experimental night of passion with a female friend, does that make her a homosexual?


It's not about females is it?

Anyway I have a double standard there .... and it happens all the time.

Young women today switch hit to suit their circumstances.

Not so much with men Peccar.


So, if women have one-off sex with other women, it's not homosexuality, but when men have one-off sex with other men, it is?

Is that what you're saying?

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #110 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:21am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:04am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:00am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:54am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:48am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:42am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:38am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh


I'm not convinced, one way or the other.

Juries get it wrong all the time.

I'll wait for the appeal.

One man's word against another; no witnesses; and he voluntarily returned to Australia when he didn't need to.







Going by your logic I'd suggest you also give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt over the alleged incidents he was accused of ....no?


Absolutely.

I have never accused Donald Trump of being a child rapist.

Having said that, there is an official witness statement alleging that he raped a child and then threatened to kill her.



There are 2 witnesses who gave statements against Pell ... both male ..... it's been to court twice ....

he's been found guilty by a jury of 12 .... he is appealing the conviction.


Witnesses, not victims?

Okay, I wasn't aware of that.

Do you have a link?



So the victims can't be a witness?

The witness has to be someone secondary there at the time?



Apart from the two victims - one of which was a drug addict - is there anyone claiming to have witnessed the crime?



What's the relevance?

Don't you think that the abuse could have had a hand in that outcome?
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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #111 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:22am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:07am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:03am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:58am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:54am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:45am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:36am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


No, you can't assume that at all.

Well, not accurately anyway.



One of the charges he was found guilty off was "sexual penetration of a child".


Correct.

How does that prove he's gay?

Not that there's anything ...



Were they boys?

I believe they were Altar/Choir Boys

one of Priests favourites the world over.

They molest boys but they're not gay ey?


You're confusing a homosexual act with homosexuality.

If you were gang raped by a dozen homosexual me, that does not make you gay.

Similarly, if you ever find yourself in prison and decide to have sex with a man (as there will be no women available) that doesn't make you a homosexual.

Sexual acts, and sexuality - two different things.





Grin Grin You've never f*#ked a poofdah but you f#*ked a bloke who has ey?

Of course you're not gay  Grin Grin


Performing a homosexual act doesn't necessarily make one gay.

Like I said: you're confusing sex with sexuality.

If a wife with two kids, married to her husband for 30 years, gets drunk and spends one experimental night of passion with a female friend, does that make her a homosexual?


It's not about females is it?

Anyway I have a double standard there .... and it happens all the time.

Young women today switch hit to suit their circumstances.

Not so much with men Peccar.


So, if women have one-off sex with other women, it's not homosexuality, but when men have one-off sex with other men, it is?

Is that what you're saying?



No what I said was "I have a double standard".
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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #112 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:33am
 
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:21am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:04am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:00am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:54am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:48am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:42am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:38am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:10pm:
The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh


I'm not convinced, one way or the other.

Juries get it wrong all the time.

I'll wait for the appeal.

One man's word against another; no witnesses; and he voluntarily returned to Australia when he didn't need to.







Going by your logic I'd suggest you also give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt over the alleged incidents he was accused of ....no?


Absolutely.

I have never accused Donald Trump of being a child rapist.

Having said that, there is an official witness statement alleging that he raped a child and then threatened to kill her.



There are 2 witnesses who gave statements against Pell ... both male ..... it's been to court twice ....

he's been found guilty by a jury of 12 .... he is appealing the conviction.


Witnesses, not victims?

Okay, I wasn't aware of that.

Do you have a link?



So the victims can't be a witness?

The witness has to be someone secondary there at the time?



Apart from the two victims - one of which was a drug addict - is there anyone claiming to have witnessed the crime?



What's the relevance?

Don't you think that the abuse could have had a hand in that outcome?


Sure.

Or, it might have had absolutely nothing to do with his drug addiction and subsequent death.

Anyway, my point is that nobody has come forward to support the victims' claims.

There are no independent witnesses, and no physical evidence.

It's just one living person's word against another.

Plus, Pell could have remained in Italy and lived out the rest of his life there (not a bad place to do it, that's for sure).

Instead, he came back to Australia to face the charges when he was not legally obliged to do so.

I remain completely open-minded and objective in this matter, but some things just don't look right.



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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #113 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:54am
 
Lets just let the legal process run it course before passing our uninformed judgement!

Half you lot sound like the screaming ratbags outside the court today!
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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #114 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 11:01am
 
cods wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:45am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:27am:
THese people falling over themselves to defend him are almost as bad in my eyes.


Bolt especially. As pedestrian.tv stated a convicted racist defends a convicted paedophile.



you must have loved all those who were shouting.. abuse at Pell as he left court.....must have made you and bobby feel real good....




Not really, but you have a high and mighty moralistic prick who has been found by a court to not be so moralistic
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Reply #115 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 11:01am
 
Specifically, Pell was found guilty on four charges of committing an indecent act with or in the presence of a child under 16, and one charge of sexual penetration of a child under 16.

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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #116 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 11:01am
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:54am:
Lets just let the legal process run it course before passing our uninformed judgement!

Half you lot sound like the screaming ratbags outside the court today!




We did, the legal process found him guilty.
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Re: George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual
Reply #117 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 11:03am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 10:00pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:49pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 8:41pm:
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The more I read and hear about this, the more sus it seems.

It's one person's word against another's - there are no witnesses.  Yeah?

And, Pell came back to Australia voluntarily - he could have stayed in Italy for the rest of his life and just ignored the allegations.





The jury found him guilty Greg....Until he is found innocent I see no reason to give Pell the benefit of the doubt....The jury are best people to judge Pell's guilt and were unanimous???

Huh Huh Huh


I'm not convinced, one way or the other.

Juries get it wrong all the time.

I'll wait for the appeal.

One man's word against another; no witnesses; and he voluntarily returned to Australia when he didn't need to.






A jury has voted unanimously, this goose is cooked.


You seem more confused than usual.

Nobody is disputing the fact that a jury has voted unanimously.

Tell me this, though - has a jury ever got it wrong?

A simple yes or no will suffice.




I don't believe he is guilty, it just seems too far- fetched.
The jurors are privy to stuff which we have to accept they based their verdict on, what else can you do.
So hang him.


Pell would have had the best lawyers the Church could buy....The DPP did a great job even getting this case to court with all the legal arguments the defence would have put forward....I believe Pell will be found guilty on appeal unless there is a technicality in the administration of the law???

Huh Huh Huh



Which is why I don't buy Bolts reasons why he doesn't think Pell is guilty. If any of those reasons had any validity, the lawyers would have examined them and there would have been enough doubt
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I'm completely biased in the matter.

I don't like Pell, his religion, or his church.

My initial reaction was "Bastard, lock him up!"

However, when looking at it objectively, things start to look a bit different.

Forget names, forget gender, and forget places - just look at the raw facts.

Forget that we know who the accused is, and where the incident took place.

Just take a purely open-minded, objective look at the facts:

- Two teenagers say they were molested by an adult.

- The accused emphatically denies it.

- There are no independent witnesses.

- There is no physical evidence to support the accusation.

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Would be great if the local lefties picked on Islam like they do to Catholicism? I thought they were religion defenders.




Would be great if the local righties condemned this as much as they ask the Muslims to do. I thought they were anti extremist.
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 11:01am:
Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 10:54am:
Lets just let the legal process run it course before passing our uninformed judgement!

Half you lot sound like the screaming ratbags outside the court today!




We did, the legal process found him guilty.


That's right and if he loses the appeal he should be hanged.
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Pell has withdrawn bail application, its time to call Clint.



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Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:51am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:45am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:36am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 1:32pm:
Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


No, you can't assume that at all.

Well, not accurately anyway.



One of the charges he was found guilty off was "sexual penetration of a child".


Correct.

How does that prove he's gay?

Not that there's anything ...



Were they boys?

I believe they were Altar/Choir Boys

one of Priests favourites the world over.

They molest boys but they're not gay ey?


You're confusing a homosexual act with homosexuality.

If you were gang raped by a dozen homosexual me, that does not make you gay.

Similarly, if you ever find yourself in prison and decide to have sex with a man (as there will be no women available) that doesn't make you a homosexual.

Sexual acts, and sexuality - two different things.





Peccar I doubt the 2 accusers are gay

Pell knowingly molested 2 boys

I'm sure there was a choice of selecting/targeting girls in his congregation if he wasn't gay.


I dont think theres a lot of choice with the choir. You ever seen a catholic church choir? Its pretty much boys. On the other hand how do you know he hasnt targeted girls as well? In fact i havent heard anything at all about priests molesting girls in the media but i know it happens. Whoa . . . .  do you think the media is doing some kind of dog whistling at ppl that think pedophiles are gay?

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Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:58am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:48am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:40am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:36am:
Gnads wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 9:32am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 2:38pm:
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Tally wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Yes, he is a totally repugnant human being and I hope this is a catalyst for change in the Catholic church, but I doubt it.



The fact is that he'll  be put into protective custody
in a special part of prison for paedophiles.
If he was put in with the general prison population
he'd be murdered in a week.
He'll have his choice of bums to continue his acts of sodomy.
He'll  be quite happy surrounded by men.
It's not sufficient punishment.

This is why we need to bring back the rope.


there has been nothing to indicate that he is gay

Spot



He was sodomising male arses so I think we can assume that he's gay.


No, you can't assume that at all.

Well, not accurately anyway.



One of the charges he was found guilty off was "sexual penetration of a child".


Correct.

How does that prove he's gay?

Not that there's anything ...



Were they boys?

I believe they were Altar/Choir Boys

one of Priests favourites the world over.

They molest boys but they're not gay ey?


They molest children. There are prolly more boys than girls there. I do know of girls being molested in an anglican church in the 80s though.

Spot


No one is denying that children of both sexes get molested by paedophiles .....

in the majority of cases within the Catholic Church it's been molestation of boys.




Like i said choir boys are pretty much boys. the media doesnt seem to be covering the girls - perhaps they are still too scared to come forward

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Would be great if the local lefties picked on Islam like they do to Catholicism? I thought they were religion defenders.


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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 11:14am:
Would be great if the local lefties picked on Islam like they do to Catholicism? I thought they were religion defenders.


I dont see any "lefties" picking on "catholicism" here? Can you show me where its happening?

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Indeed.

I've admitted to my bias: I don't like Pell or the Catholic Church, but I'm still willing to look at this case objectively.

Next thing you know, Mr Hammer will be saying that it's an attack on white people.


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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 11:14am:
Would be great if the local lefties picked on Islam like they do to Catholicism? I thought they were religion defenders.


I dont see any "lefties" picking on "catholicism" here? Can you show me where its happening?

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The Catholic Church has a basic flaw. It won't allow its Priests to marry

This right from the 'get go' creates an artificial climate for Priests and Parishioners alike

It is not in the natural order of things for men to go through life celibate

Men's sexual urges are normal as they are for women as well

The Catholic Church in demanding that their Priests go sexless create a 'pressure cooker' and one that it cannot control

Your natural instincts are your natural instincts and it is little wonder that Priests wander off the designated path

I am in no way condoning the behaviour of such Priests as George Pell, nor am I condoning the immense networks of cover ups that are rife in the Catholic Church

But if Catholicism is to survive into the future, they are going to have to come up with a lot more than what eventuated out of the Pope's recent Forum on the subject

The net results are pathetic and nothing is going to change

They need a Pope who will ram through drastic change, otherwise this outdated, outmoded religion which is not in touch with reality, will wither and die

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red baron wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 1:19pm:
The Catholic Church has a basic flaw. It won't allow its Priests to marry

This right from the 'get go' creates an artificial climate for Priests and Parishioners alike

It is not in the natural order of things for men to go through life celibate

Men's sexual urges are normal as they are for women as well

The Catholic Church in demanding that their Priests go sexless create a 'pressure cooker' and one that it cannot control

Your natural instincts are your natural instincts and it is little wonder that Priests wander off the designated path

I am in no way condoning the behaviour of such Priest as George Pell, nor am I condoning the immense networks of cover ups that are rife in the Catholic Church

But if Catholicism is to survive into the future, they are going to have to come up with a lot more than what eventuated out of the Pope's recent Forum on the subject

The net results are pathetic and nothing is going to change

They need a Pope who will ram through drastic change, otherwise this outdate, outmoded religion which is not in touch with reality, will wither and die


What drastic changes can they make?
One of them is about to hang, that should teach them a lesson.
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One of them is about to hang, that should teach them a lesson.


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They need a Pope who will ram through ...




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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 12:13pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 11:14am:
Would be great if the local lefties picked on Islam like they do to Catholicism? I thought they were religion defenders.


I dont see any "lefties" picking on "catholicism" here? Can you show me where its happening?

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Indeed.

I've admitted to my bias: I don't like Pell or the Catholic Church, but I'm still willing to look at this case objectively.

Next thing you know, Mr Hammer will be saying that it's an attack on white people.




I dunno. I've always thought he was innocent just from how things were happening so I was surprised to see them charge him. Thought maybe he was being sacrificed to save others. However since he was convicted the chances are high there was evidence so I guess there's a high probability he isn't innocent.

Not being religious I think he's a bit silly. Saw him on q and a once saying the crackers and wine are really Jesse's flesh and blood. Yuck. Still I have known ppl that knew him in those days and I never heard stories about him abusing kids (I did hear about others though). It usually gets out eventually.

Mainly I'm disappointed I think. I shouldn't be surprised though. Every organisation in Australia is corrupt to the core. Cover-up everywhere. He was just smarter at not being caught for longer I guess.

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 1:30pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 12:13pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 11:14am:
Would be great if the local lefties picked on Islam like they do to Catholicism? I thought they were religion defenders.


I dont see any "lefties" picking on "catholicism" here? Can you show me where its happening?

Spot


Indeed.

I've admitted to my bias: I don't like Pell or the Catholic Church, but I'm still willing to look at this case objectively.

Next thing you know, Mr Hammer will be saying that it's an attack on white people.




I dunno. I've always thought he was innocent just from how things were happening so I was surprised to see them charge him. Thought maybe he was being sacrificed to save others. However since he was convicted the chances are high there was evidence so I guess there's a high probability he isn't innocent.

Not being religious I think he's a bit silly. Saw him on q and a once saying the crackers and wine are really Jesse's flesh and blood. Yuck. Still I have known ppl that knew him in those days and I never heard stories about him abusing kids (I did hear about others though). It usually gets out eventually.

Mainly I'm disappointed I think. I shouldn't be surprised though. Every organisation in Australia is corrupt to the core. Cover-up everywhere. He was just smarter at not being caught for longer I guess.

Spot


The thing that bugs me, is why did he come back to Australia?

I might be wrong on this, but I'm sure he was under no legal obligation to return to Australia and face the charges.

From what I believe, he could have just remained in Italy, living a normal life, and told Australian police to get stuffed.

If that's the case, why would a guilty man return?

It makes no sense to me.

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What drastic changes can they make?
One of them is about to hang, that should teach them a lesson. [/quote]

Who is that? [/quote]
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The Catholic Church has a basic flaw. It won't allow its Priests to marry

This right from the 'get go' creates an artificial climate for Priests and Parishioners alike

It is not in the natural order of things for men to go through life celibate

Men's sexual urges are normal as they are for women as well

The Catholic Church in demanding that their Priests go sexless create a 'pressure cooker' and one that it cannot control

Your natural instincts are your natural instincts and it is little wonder that Priests wander off the designated path

I am in no way condoning the behaviour of such Priests as George Pell, nor am I condoning the immense networks of cover ups that are rife in the Catholic Church

But if Catholicism is to survive into the future, they are going to have to come up with a lot more than what eventuated out of the Pope's recent Forum on the subject

The net results are pathetic and nothing is going to change

They need a Pope who will ram through drastic change, otherwise this outdated, outmoded religion which is not in touch with reality, will wither and die



My thoughts exactly Baron, celibacy is an unnatural way of living and should be abolished in the RC church!

I believe in the early history of the RC church priests could marry!


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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 12:13pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 12:04pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 11:14am:
Would be great if the local lefties picked on Islam like they do to Catholicism? I thought they were religion defenders.


I dont see any "lefties" picking on "catholicism" here? Can you show me where its happening?

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Indeed.

I've admitted to my bias: I don't like Pell or the Catholic Church, but I'm still willing to look at this case objectively.

Next thing you know, Mr Hammer will be saying that it's an attack on white people.




I dunno. I've always thought he was innocent just from how things were happening so I was surprised to see them charge him. Thought maybe he was being sacrificed to save others. However since he was convicted the chances are high there was evidence so I guess there's a high probability he isn't innocent.

Not being religious I think he's a bit silly. Saw him on q and a once saying the crackers and wine are really Jesse's flesh and blood. Yuck. Still I have known ppl that knew him in those days and I never heard stories about him abusing kids (I did hear about others though). It usually gets out eventually.

Mainly I'm disappointed I think. I shouldn't be surprised though. Every organisation in Australia is corrupt to the core. Cover-up everywhere. He was just smarter at not being caught for longer I guess.

Spot


The thing that bugs me, is why did he come back to Australia?

I might be wrong on this, but I'm sure he was under no legal obligation to return to Australia and face the charges.

From what I believe, he could have just remained in Italy, living a normal life, and told Australian police to get stuffed.

If that's the case, why would a guilty man return?

It makes no sense to me.



Yeah and theres that. When they charged him i wondered the same thing.

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I like a lot on here am at two minds about Pells guilt.

But I also wonder why someone who was a choir boy with Pell at that time would make up a story like this with no-one else to corroborate his evidence knowing full well he would face extreme questioning by the best lawyers in Oz. 

Looking for money from the church perhaps ?

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The other supposed victim apparently denied it happened and is now dead, so what prompted the coppers to go ahead after that?


Anyone got a link to that?


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The other supposed victim apparently denied it happened and is now dead, so what prompted the coppers to go ahead after that?


Anyone got a link to that?


"And the other boy who was assaulted had died of a heroin overdose.

"The jury was simply told he had died in “accidental circumstances”.


"That former choirboy never mentioned the incident and denied being sexually abused when he was asked point blank by his mother several years after the abuse occurred, the court was told."

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Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 2:34pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 2:27pm:
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The other supposed victim apparently denied it happened and is now dead, so what prompted the coppers to go ahead after that?


Anyone got a link to that?


https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/cardinal-george-pell-found-guilty-of...


Okay....

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The other victim died several years ago from a heroin overdose. He never reported the abuse and denied anything happened when he was asked by his mother.


Very broad.  Did the Mother give evidence, is it known?
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The reality check is that he has been found guilty by a Jury of his peers

And  unless he is successful  on appeal, George Pell's criminal record will record him as guilty as charged
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The reality check is that he has been found guilty by a Jury of his peers

And  unless he is successful  on appeal, George Pell's criminal record will record him as guilty as charged


Perhaps you could change your name to Captain Obvious.

Could you answer me one question please, Captain:

- has anyone ever been wrongfully found guilty by a jury of their peers?
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Aussie wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 2:41pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 2:34pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 2:27pm:
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The other supposed victim apparently denied it happened and is now dead, so what prompted the coppers to go ahead after that?


Anyone got a link to that?


https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/cardinal-george-pell-found-guilty-of...


Okay....

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The other victim died several years ago from a heroin overdose. He never reported the abuse and denied anything happened when he was asked by his mother.


Very broad.  Did the Mother give evidence, is it known?


I woulda denied it to my mother too - shes of the generation that would blame me

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red baron wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 2:44pm:
The reality check is that he has been found guilty by a Jury of his peers

And  unless he is successful  on appeal, George Pell's criminal record will record him as guilty as charged


Perhaps you could change your name to Captain Obvious.

Could you answer me one question please, Captain:

- has anyone ever been wrongfully found guilty by a jury of their peers?


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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 2:50pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 2:41pm:
Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 2:34pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 2:27pm:
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The other supposed victim apparently denied it happened and is now dead, so what prompted the coppers to go ahead after that?


Anyone got a link to that?


https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/cardinal-george-pell-found-guilty-of...


Okay....

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The other victim died several years ago from a heroin overdose. He never reported the abuse and denied anything happened when he was asked by his mother.


Very broad.  Did the Mother give evidence, is it known?


I woulda denied it to my mother too - shes of the generation that would blame me

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My thoughts exactly Spot.

Particularly amongst the very religious!

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To recap: it's one man's word against another.

Did I miss anything?
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ABC 24 news:

Pell held on remand - in custody.

He will be at the Melbourne assessment prison until March 13th.
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To recap: it's one man's word against another.

Did I miss anything?


No independent witnesses.

No forensic evidence.

Just one man saying something happened, and another saying it didn't.

If I've missed something, let me know.

I still have a very open-mind on this matter.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 2:54pm:
To recap: it's one man's word against another.

Did I miss anything?


No independent witnesses.

No forensic evidence.

Just one man saying something happened, and another saying it didn't.

If I've missed something, let me know.

I still have a very open-mind on this matter.




He's been found guilty by 12 members of the jury.
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Calm down
Miranda & Andrew have this all under control

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“Declaration: I have met Pell perhaps five times in my life and like him,” Bolt wrote. “I am not a Catholic or even a Christian. He is a scapegoat, not a child abuser. In my opinion.”


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“It’s devastating because I don’t believe that Pell, who I know slightly and admire greatly, could be guilty of sexually assaulting two choirboys in a busy cathedral after Sunday mass when he was archbishop of Melbourne in 1996,” Devine wrote in the Daily Telegraph.”


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Bobby. wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:00pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 2:54pm:
To recap: it's one man's word against another.

Did I miss anything?


No independent witnesses.

No forensic evidence.

Just one man saying something happened, and another saying it didn't.

If I've missed something, let me know.

I still have a very open mind on this matter.




He's been found guilty by 12 members of the jury.
You must respect the law.


I am respecting the law. As it stands, he's guilty under the law.

If he wins the appeal, though, will you respect the law?  I doubt it.

Now, have I got this right?

- no independent witnesses.

- no forensic evidence.

- just one man's word against another.


Yes, or no?

If I've missed something, let me know.
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I believe it's 2 things that get historical pedos. Multiple victims and if the victims can be proven to have  had contact with the perp (Pel)l in the past. Exact dates are even better. The chances of these 2 things coming together is slim and very fishy.
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 11:01am:
cods wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:45am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:27am:
THese people falling over themselves to defend him are almost as bad in my eyes.


Bolt especially. As pedestrian.tv stated a convicted racist defends a convicted paedophile.



you must have loved all those who were shouting.. abuse at Pell as he left court.....must have made you and bobby feel real good....




Not really, but you have a high and mighty moralistic prick who has been found by a court to not be so moralistic




but they also found Lindy Chamberlain  guilty... Angry

after a terrible press......

he could be found guilty of TWO.....even though he was only charged with ONE..

the world has known about the charges against the Catholic Church for many moons....we know Pell was part of that era....the jury would also have known about his part in the cover ups that went on for years and years....

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I believe it's 2 things that get historical pedos. Multiple victims and if the victims can be proven to have  had contact with the perp (Pel)l in the past. Exact dates are even better. The chances of these 2 things coming together is slim and very fishy.





yes I have never heard of a paedo  having only  one victim.....even Rolf Harris   had many victims but he did nothing like Pell has been accused of....


this needs to be the correct judgement.....I am just not convinced it is...at this point.


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I could not believe the "Hang him" mentality of the people outside the court today!

That is not the type of Australia I stand for!

I have never liked Pell but that is disgusting!

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Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:15pm:
I believe it's 2 things that get historical pedos. Multiple victims and if the victims can be proven to have  had contact with the perp (Pel)l in the past. Exact dates are even better. The chances of these 2 things coming together is slim and very fishy.





yes I have never heard of a paedo  having only  one victim.....even Rolf Harris   had many victims but he did nothing like Pell has been accused of....


this needs to be the correct judgement.....I am just not convinced it is...at this point.




At this point?

You mean after a unanimous guilty conviction by 12 jury members on 5 charges?  Shocked


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Captain Nemo wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:39pm:
cods wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:15pm:
I believe it's 2 things that get historical pedos. Multiple victims and if the victims can be proven to have  had contact with the perp (Pel)l in the past. Exact dates are even better. The chances of these 2 things coming together is slim and very fishy.





yes I have never heard of a paedo  having only  one victim.....even Rolf Harris   had many victims but he did nothing like Pell has been accused of....


this needs to be the correct judgement.....I am just not convinced it is...at this point.




At this point?

You mean after a unanimous guilty conviction by 12 jury members on 5 charges?  Shocked




Yes.

No witness.

No forensic evidence.

One man's word against another.

I'm just not convinced at this point either.

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Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:15pm:
I believe it's 2 things that get historical pedos. Multiple victims and if the victims can be proven to have  had contact with the perp (Pel)l in the past. Exact dates are even better. The chances of these 2 things coming together is slim and very fishy.


You are right there are usually multiple victims. Thing is he might just be powerful enough and resourceful enough to be untouchable. In that case his victims might be too scared to come forward. I doubt it though but it's possible.

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Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:15pm:
I believe it's 2 things that get historical pedos. Multiple victims and if the victims can be proven to have  had contact with the perp (Pel)l in the past. Exact dates are even better. The chances of these 2 things coming together is slim and very fishy.





yes I have never heard of a paedo  having only  one victim.....even Rolf Harris   had many victims but he did nothing like Pell has been accused of....


this needs to be the correct judgement.....I am just not convinced it is...at this point.



I was walking down a ally way near Elkington Park in Balmain about 6 months ago  cods and spray painted on a wall in capital letters was ROLF HARRIS RAPED ME HERE. There was no other graffiti. I wonder if that was real or a hoax.
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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:15pm:
I believe it's 2 things that get historical pedos. Multiple victims and if the victims can be proven to have  had contact with the perp (Pel)l in the past. Exact dates are even better. The chances of these 2 things coming together is slim and very fishy.


You are right there are usually multiple victims. Thing is he might just be powerful enough and resourceful enough to be untouchable. In that case his victims might be too scared to come forward. I doubt it though but it's possible.

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He was 3rd in command Spot. He would have been a big chance to be a future Pope. With that power it still didn't save him. They must have had some good evidence.
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He is most obviously guilty

howard the coward has come out to support him.

So we can now add pedophile apologist to howards many immorality based ideals.

Just another nail in his coffin

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:15pm:
I believe it's 2 things that get historical pedos. Multiple victims and if the victims can be proven to have  had contact with the perp (Pel)l in the past. Exact dates are even better. The chances of these 2 things coming together is slim and very fishy.


You are right there are usually multiple victims. Thing is he might just be powerful enough and resourceful enough to be untouchable. In that case his victims might be too scared to come forward. I doubt it though but it's possible.

Spot


At least one of his victims is dead.  Sad


He died before seeing his abuser punished, but his family now knows why he endured so much pain



He died before seeing his abuser punished, but his family now knows why he endured so much pain.

The family of one man molested as a choirboy by George Pell attributes their son's decline into drugs and problems with post traumatic stress disorder to the sexual abuse from years earlier.

It was an addiction that ended in tragedy, with death from an accidental heroin overdose in 2014 at age 31.

The following year when the man's friend, also a former choirboy, told police the pair were abused by Pell at St Patrick's Cathedral in East Melbourne in 1996 - when the boys were 13 - the reason for their son's torment became clearer.

Pell has been found guilty of abusing the two choirboys and the family of the deceased victim are considering suing the Catholic church.

"What they saw was their son go down a spiral of drug abuse from a very young age, soon after the abuse occurred, him struggling with significant psychiatric symptoms and them not really understanding what caused that," according to the family's lawyer Lisa Flynn.

"Since this has come to light and they have got evidence of what happened to their son, they at least can understand why their son went off the rails the way he did. It's also been incredibly difficult for them to learn what happened to him at a young age."

The victim never spoke of the abuse, Pell's trial heard, and said 'no' when asked as a teenager by his mother if anything ever happened to him as a choirboy.

"They have instructed us to advise on their options which does include the commencement of a civil claim against the church and possibly Pell," Ms Flynn said.

Tuesday was a "bittersweet day" for the victim's family as Pell's conviction was reported for the first time, said Ms Flynn, who hoped the verdict would encourage other sex abuse survivors to contact police.

"[They] want people to come forward. It doesn't matter who you are or who did it to you, it's just important that people feel they can come forward and report things and action will be taken," she said.

The surviving victim, now a man in his 30s, said he experienced "shame, loneliness, depression and struggle" over the past 22 years and "it has taken me years to understand the impact upon my life". The victims cannot be identified.

"At some point we realise that we trusted someone we should have feared and we fear those genuine relationships that we should trust," the man said in a statement issued by his lawyer, Vivian Waller.

"I would like to thank my family near and far for their support of me, and of each other."

The man said he had put his trust in police and the criminal justice system, which had been stressful and ongoing. "I need space and time to cope with the ongoing criminal process," he said.

He urged media not to contact him as he wanted to protect his family and parents from the spotlight.

"I am not a spokesperson about child sexual abuse. There are many other survivors and advocates who bravely fill this role," he said.

"I am just a regular guy working to support and protect my family as best I can."

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Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:53pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:44pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:15pm:
I believe it's 2 things that get historical pedos. Multiple victims and if the victims can be proven to have  had contact with the perp (Pel)l in the past. Exact dates are even better. The chances of these 2 things coming together is slim and very fishy.


You are right there are usually multiple victims. Thing is he might just be powerful enough and resourceful enough to be untouchable. In that case his victims might be too scared to come forward. I doubt it though but it's possible.

Spot

He was 3rd in command Spot. He would have been a big chance to be a future Pope. With that power it still didn't save him. They must have had some good evidence.


Such as?

The only evidence I've heard about so far, is the victim said he did it.


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I believe it's 2 things that get historical pedos. Multiple victims and if the victims can be proven to have  had contact with the perp (Pel)l in the past. Exact dates are even better. The chances of these 2 things coming together is slim and very fishy.





yes I have never heard of a paedo  having only  one victim.....even Rolf Harris   had many victims but he did nothing like Pell has been accused of....


this needs to be the correct judgement.....I am just not convinced it is...at this point.




At this point?

You mean after a unanimous guilty conviction by 12 jury members on 5 charges?  Shocked




Yes.

No witness.

No forensic evidence.

One man's word against another.

I'm just not convinced at this point either.




I have heard and seen it from multiple sources. But it seems to me thouse sources didn't actually attend the trial. So I'm wondering if theres anything more in the actual trial.
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Valkie wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:53pm:
He is most obviously guilty

howard the coward has come out to support him.

So we can now add pedophile apologist to howards many immorality based ideals.

Just another nail in his coffin

He'll will be hell for the turd.


Really ..... Before or after the verdict?

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Reply #187 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 5:07pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:39pm:
cods wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 3:15pm:
I believe it's 2 things that get historical pedos. Multiple victims and if the victims can be proven to have  had contact with the perp (Pel)l in the past. Exact dates are even better. The chances of these 2 things coming together is slim and very fishy.





yes I have never heard of a paedo  having only  one victim.....even Rolf Harris   had many victims but he did nothing like Pell has been accused of....


this needs to be the correct judgement.....I am just not convinced it is...at this point.




At this point?

[b]You mean after a unanimous guilty conviction by 12 jury members on 5 charges?[/b]  Shocked







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"In a set of 271 cases from four areas, juries gave wrong verdicts in at least one out of eight cases, according to 'Estimating the Accuracy of Jury Verdicts,' a paper by a Northwestern University statistician that is being published in the July issue of Journal of Empirical Legal Studies."

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Of course, apart from Pell's personal peadophile charges, he was an accessory after the fact involving numerous cases - especially in the Ballarat area in the past.  Angry

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Of course, apart from Pell's personal peadophile charges,
he was an accessory after the fact involving numerous cases - especially in the Ballarat area in the past.  Angry




Pell was in it up to his neck.
He did the opposite of trying to expose pedophiles.
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Started a poll -

"Should Pell be hanged? "


add your name there, so who gets more votes to hang, you or pell
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Bobby. wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 9:33pm:
Started a poll -

"Should Pell be hanged? "


add your name there, so who gets more votes to hang, you or pell



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Would be great if the local lefties picked on Islam like they do to Catholicism? I thought they were religion defenders.



that's funny, I just see criticism of pell, not all Catholics

unlike the retards who blame every living muslim if one commits a crime  Cheesy Cheesy
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Pell should have run to paradice when he had the chance
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He died before seeing his abuser punished, but his family now knows why he endured so much pain



He died before seeing his abuser punished, but his family now knows why he endured so much pain.

The family of one man molested as a choirboy by George Pell attributes their son's decline into drugs and problems with post traumatic stress disorder to the sexual abuse from years earlier.

It was an addiction that ended in tragedy, with death from an accidental heroin overdose in 2014 at age 31.

The following year when the man's friend, also a former choirboy, told police the pair were abused by Pell at St Patrick's Cathedral in East Melbourne in 1996 - when the boys were 13 - the reason for their son's torment became clearer.

Pell has been found guilty of abusing the two choirboys and the family of the deceased victim are considering suing the Catholic church.

"What they saw was their son go down a spiral of drug abuse from a very young age, soon after the abuse occurred, him struggling with significant psychiatric symptoms and them not really understanding what caused that," according to the family's lawyer Lisa Flynn.

"Since this has come to light and they have got evidence of what happened to their son, they at least can understand why their son went off the rails the way he did. It's also been incredibly difficult for them to learn what happened to him at a young age."

The victim never spoke of the abuse, Pell's trial heard, and said 'no' when asked as a teenager by his mother if anything ever happened to him as a choirboy.

"They have instructed us to advise on their options which does include the commencement of a civil claim against the church and possibly Pell," Ms Flynn said.

Tuesday was a "bittersweet day" for the victim's family as Pell's conviction was reported for the first time, said Ms Flynn, who hoped the verdict would encourage other sex abuse survivors to contact police.

"[They] want people to come forward. It doesn't matter who you are or who did it to you, it's just important that people feel they can come forward and report things and action will be taken," she said.

The surviving victim, now a man in his 30s, said he experienced "shame, loneliness, depression and struggle" over the past 22 years and "it has taken me years to understand the impact upon my life". The victims cannot be identified.

"At some point we realise that we trusted someone we should have feared and we fear those genuine relationships that we should trust," the man said in a statement issued by his lawyer, Vivian Waller.

"I would like to thank my family near and far for their support of me, and of each other."

The man said he had put his trust in police and the criminal justice system, which had been stressful and ongoing. "I need space and time to cope with the ongoing criminal process," he said.

He urged media not to contact him as he wanted to protect his family and parents from the spotlight.

"I am not a spokesperson about child sexual abuse. There are many other survivors and advocates who bravely fill this role," he said.

"I am just a regular guy working to support and protect my family as best I can."

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/he-died-before-seeing-his-abuser-pun...



I'm curious to see what sort of evidence they got that he abused their son
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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 5:14pm:
"In a set of 271 cases from four areas, juries gave wrong verdicts in at least one out of eight cases, according to 'Estimating the Accuracy of Jury Verdicts,' a paper by a Northwestern University statistician that is being published in the July issue of Journal of Empirical Legal Studies."

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I didn't know Pecca was the sort of person who needed proof. Every second day he post up something about Trump's rape allegations or that Russia crap. Now he's sceptical about Pell's court decision??????
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I didn't know Pecca was the sort of person who needed proof. Every second day he post up something about Trump's rape allegations or that Russia crap. Now he's sceptical about Pell's court decision??????



I don't get why you're crying. He has provided proof of that allegation many times. 

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miketrees wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:09pm:
Pell should have run to paradice when he had the chance


He was already there.

So, why did he come back to Australia?

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John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:04pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 11:14am:
Would be great if the local lefties picked on Islam like they do to Catholicism? I thought they were religion defenders.



that's funny, I just see criticism of pell, not all Catholics

unlike the retards who blame every living muslim if one commits a crime  Cheesy Cheesy

Open your eyes muppet. I'm an atheist so I don't really care but the media and a bunch of people like you have a hate on for Catholics at the moment. The same people who wouldn't ever criticise Islam????
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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:25pm:
miketrees wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:09pm:
Pell should have run to paradise when he had the chance


He was already there.

So, why did he come back to Australia?





The Pope probably told him he had to go.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:25pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:04pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 11:14am:
Would be great if the local lefties picked on Islam like they do to Catholicism? I thought they were religion defenders.



that's funny, I just see criticism of pell, not all Catholics

unlike the retards who blame every living muslim if one commits a crime  Cheesy Cheesy

Open your eyes muppet. I'm an atheist so I don't really care but the media and a bunch of people like you have a hate on for Catholics at the moment. The same people who wouldn't ever criticise Islam????



bullshit. I've criticised the priests, and I've criticised the 'church', catholic or otherwise, for hiding and protecting these pedo's for decades. All valid criticisms. I have never blamed the church for the acts of the priest.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:21pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 5:14pm:
"In a set of 271 cases from four areas, juries gave wrong verdicts in at least one out of eight cases, according to 'Estimating the Accuracy of Jury Verdicts,' a paper by a Northwestern University statistician that is being published in the July issue of Journal of Empirical Legal Studies."

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I didn't know Pecca was the sort of person who needed proof. Every second day he post up something about Trump's rape allegations or that Russia crap. Now he's sceptical about Pell's court decision??????


You don't know me too well then.

Moreover, I've never accused Trump of being a child rapist, and I don't recall making any accusations about Russia.
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John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:21pm:
I didn't know Pecca was the sort of person who needed proof. Every second day he post up something about Trump's rape allegations or that Russia crap. Now he's sceptical about Pell's court decision??????



I don't get why you're crying. He has provided proof of that allegation many times. 

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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:25pm:
miketrees wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:09pm:
Pell should have run to paradice when he had the chance


He was already there.

So, why did he come back to Australia?



because he wanted to be pope. That would never happen while he has these charges pending. He needed to clear his name to qualify for the top job. For him the risk was worth it.

Afterall, he thought it was simply his word against someone else's word.  Cheesy Cheesy

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Reply #205 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:32pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:25pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:04pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 11:14am:
Would be great if the local lefties picked on Islam like they do to Catholicism? I thought they were religion defenders.



that's funny, I just see criticism of pell, not all Catholics

unlike the retards who blame every living muslim if one commits a crime  Cheesy Cheesy

Open your eyes muppet. I'm an atheist so I don't really care but the media and a bunch of people like you have a hate on for Catholics at the moment. The same people who wouldn't ever criticise Islam????


Horseshit.  Mr Smith can speak for himself.

My comments, while not forensic, are about the Law, not the Man or his religion.


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Bobby. wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:25pm:
miketrees wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:09pm:
Pell should have run to paradise when he had the chance


He was already there.

So, why did he come back to Australia?





The Pope probably told him he had to go.


Tell the Pope to get stuffed.

A guilty man coming back to Australia to face the charges, doesn't make any sense.

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:31pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:21pm:
I didn't know Pecca was the sort of person who needed proof. Every second day he post up something about Trump's rape allegations or that Russia crap. Now he's sceptical about Pell's court decision??????



I don't get why you're crying. He has provided proof of that allegation many times. 

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Are you serious?

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yes, greg has often put up a copy of the complaint made against trump... if you ask nicely I'm sure he'll do so again

Keep in mid Spot, I said proof of the 'allegation', not proof of the crime Wink
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Reply #208 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:34pm
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:21pm:
I didn't know Pecca was the sort of person who needed proof. Every second day he post up something about Trump's rape allegations or that Russia crap. Now he's sceptical about Pell's court decision??????



I don't get why you're crying. He has provided proof of that allegation many times. 

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The rape allegations? I'm sure that Trump has skeletons in his closet but nothing pecca has posted has any solid facts. It's all he said she said. Total rubbish. Magazine sellers.
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Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:34pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:21pm:
I didn't know Pecca was the sort of person who needed proof. Every second day he post up something about Trump's rape allegations or that Russia crap. Now he's sceptical about Pell's court decision??????



I don't get why you're crying. He has provided proof of that allegation many times. 

Roll Eyes


The rape allegations? I'm sure that Trump has skeletons in his closet but nothing pecca has posted has any solid facts. It's all he said she said. Total rubbish. Magazine sellers.


Again: I've never accused Trump of being a child rapist.

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Reply #210 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:36pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:34pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:21pm:
I didn't know Pecca was the sort of person who needed proof. Every second day he post up something about Trump's rape allegations or that Russia crap. Now he's sceptical about Pell's court decision??????





I don't get why you're crying. He has provided proof of that allegation many times. 

Roll Eyes


The rape allegations? I'm sure that Trump has skeletons in his closet but nothing pecca has posted has any solid facts. It's all he said she said. Total rubbish. Magazine sellers.


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John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:33pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:31pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:21pm:
I didn't know Pecca was the sort of person who needed proof. Every second day he post up something about Trump's rape allegations or that Russia crap. Now he's sceptical about Pell's court decision??????



I don't get why you're crying. He has provided proof of that allegation many times. 

Roll Eyes



Are you serious?

Spot


yes, greg has often put up a copy of the complaint made against trump... if you ask nicely I'm sure he'll do so again

Keep in mid Spot, I said proof of the 'allegation', not proof of the crime Wink


Seriously? Proof of the allegation is all over the news as in he was convicted. Pel that is.

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John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:31pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:25pm:
miketrees wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:09pm:
Pell should have run to paradice when he had the chance


He was already there.

So, why did he come back to Australia?



because he wanted to be pope. That would never happen while he has these charges pending. He needed to clear his name to qualify for the top job. For him the risk was worth it.

Afterall, he thought it was simply his word against someone else's word.  Cheesy Cheesy



Well by the looks of it he is right about that

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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:32pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:25pm:
miketrees wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:09pm:
Pell should have run to paradise when he had the chance


He was already there.

So, why did he come back to Australia?





The Pope probably told him he had to go.


Tell the Pope to get stuffed.

A guilty man coming back to Australia to face the charges, doesn't make any sense.




One of vows they take is obedience.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:34pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:21pm:
I didn't know Pecca was the sort of person who needed proof. Every second day he post up something about Trump's rape allegations or that Russia crap. Now he's sceptical about Pell's court decision??????



I don't get why you're crying. He has provided proof of that allegation many times. 

Roll Eyes


The rape allegations? I'm sure that Trump has skeletons in his closet but nothing pecca has posted has any solid facts. It's all he said she said. Total rubbish. Magazine sellers.


Again: I've never accused Trump of being a child rapist.


We all know why you keep posting that stuff over and over and over and over. If you didn't believe it we wouldn't have to keep reading the same stuff ad nauseam . You've never been big on facts Pecca. I'm just trying to work out why Pell is somebody you want to defend? Do you wish he penetrated you? Some weird sex fantasy perhaps?
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Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:34pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:21pm:
I didn't know Pecca was the sort of person who needed proof. Every second day he post up something about Trump's rape allegations or that Russia crap. Now he's sceptical about Pell's court decision??????



I don't get why you're crying. He has provided proof of that allegation many times. 

Roll Eyes


The rape allegations? I'm sure that Trump has skeletons in his closet but nothing pecca has posted has any solid facts. It's all he said she said. Total rubbish. Magazine sellers.


Again: I've never accused Trump of being a child rapist.


We all know why you keep posting that stuff over and over and over and over. If you didn't believe it we wouldn't have to keep reading the same stuff ad nauseam . You've never been big on facts Pecca. I'm just trying to work out why Pell is somebody you want to defend? Do you wish he penetrated you? Some weird sex fantasy perhaps?


I've never defended Pell.  Ever.

How many VBs have you had this afternoon?

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Reply #216 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:51pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:34pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:21pm:
I didn't know Pecca was the sort of person who needed proof. Every second day he post up something about Trump's rape allegations or that Russia crap. Now he's sceptical about Pell's court decision??????



I don't get why you're crying. He has provided proof of that allegation many times. 

Roll Eyes


The rape allegations? I'm sure that Trump has skeletons in his closet but nothing pecca has posted has any solid facts. It's all he said she said. Total rubbish. Magazine sellers.


Again: I've never accused Trump of being a child rapist.


We all know why you keep posting that stuff over and over and over and over. If you didn't believe it we wouldn't have to keep reading the same stuff ad nauseam . You've never been big on facts Pecca. I'm just trying to work out why Pell is somebody you want to defend? Do you wish he penetrated you? Some weird sex fantasy perhaps?



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Reply #217 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:55pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:43pm:
You've never been big on facts Pecca.



From what I've seen, he typically sticks to the facts. it's you who reads it as more than a allegation ...


that also explains why he keeps putting them up  Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #218 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:58pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:51pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:34pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:21pm:
I didn't know Pecca was the sort of person who needed proof. Every second day he post up something about Trump's rape allegations or that Russia crap. Now he's sceptical about Pell's court decision??????



I don't get why you're crying. He has provided proof of that allegation many times. 

Roll Eyes


The rape allegations? I'm sure that Trump has skeletons in his closet but nothing pecca has posted has any solid facts. It's all he said she said. Total rubbish. Magazine sellers.


Again: I've never accused Trump of being a child rapist.


We all know why you keep posting that stuff over and over and over and over. If you didn't believe it we wouldn't have to keep reading the same stuff ad nauseam . You've never been big on facts Pecca. I'm just trying to work out why Pell is somebody you want to defend? Do you wish he penetrated you? Some weird sex fantasy perhaps?



Groggy manages to bring Trump into every thread on Ozpolitic -
I'm sick of it.


Hammer introduced Trump to this thread, didn't he?

Moreover, you introduce sodomy and/or homosexuality to every thread.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Reply #219 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:06pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:51pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:34pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:21pm:
I didn't know Pecca was the sort of person who needed proof. Every second day he post up something about Trump's rape allegations or that Russia crap. Now he's sceptical about Pell's court decision??????



I don't get why you're crying. He has provided proof of that allegation many times. 

Roll Eyes


The rape allegations? I'm sure that Trump has skeletons in his closet but nothing pecca has posted has any solid facts. It's all he said she said. Total rubbish. Magazine sellers.


Again: I've never accused Trump of being a child rapist.


We all know why you keep posting that stuff over and over and over and over. If you didn't believe it we wouldn't have to keep reading the same stuff ad nauseam . You've never been big on facts Pecca. I'm just trying to work out why Pell is somebody you want to defend? Do you wish he penetrated you? Some weird sex fantasy perhaps?



Groggy manages to bring Trump into every thread on Ozpolitic -
I'm sick of it.


Hammer introduced Trump to this thread, didn't he?

Moreover, you introduce sodomy and/or homosexuality to every thread.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.



even if you think evidence is questionable, what chance does he have if his defence lawyer admitted he did it by saying it was plain vanilla, and it lasted less than 6 minutes.  ew..
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Reply #220 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:12pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:47pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:34pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:21pm:
I didn't know Pecca was the sort of person who needed proof. Every second day he post up something about Trump's rape allegations or that Russia crap. Now he's sceptical about Pell's court decision??????



I don't get why you're crying. He has provided proof of that allegation many times. 

Roll Eyes


The rape allegations? I'm sure that Trump has skeletons in his closet but nothing pecca has posted has any solid facts. It's all he said she said. Total rubbish. Magazine sellers.


Again: I've never accused Trump of being a child rapist.


We all know why you keep posting that stuff over and over and over and over. If you didn't believe it we wouldn't have to keep reading the same stuff ad nauseam . You've never been big on facts Pecca. I'm just trying to work out why Pell is somebody you want to defend? Do you wish he penetrated you? Some weird sex fantasy perhaps?


I've never defended Pell.  Ever.

How many VBs have you had this afternoon?


I already told Ballsack once today. I DON'T DRINK VB!!!!
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Reply #221 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:20pm
 
kreepy wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:58pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:51pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:34pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:21pm:
I didn't know Pecca was the sort of person who needed proof. Every second day he post up something about Trump's rape allegations or that Russia crap. Now he's sceptical about Pell's court decision??????



I don't get why you're crying. He has provided proof of that allegation many times. 

Roll Eyes


The rape allegations? I'm sure that Trump has skeletons in his closet but nothing pecca has posted has any solid facts. It's all he said she said. Total rubbish. Magazine sellers.


Again: I've never accused Trump of being a child rapist.


We all know why you keep posting that stuff over and over and over and over. If you didn't believe it we wouldn't have to keep reading the same stuff ad nauseam . You've never been big on facts Pecca. I'm just trying to work out why Pell is somebody you want to defend? Do you wish he penetrated you? Some weird sex fantasy perhaps?



Groggy manages to bring Trump into every thread on Ozpolitic -
I'm sick of it.


Hammer introduced Trump to this thread, didn't he?

Moreover, you introduce sodomy and/or homosexuality to every thread.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.



even if you think evidence is questionable, what chance does he have if his defence lawyer admitted he did it by saying it was plain vanilla, and it lasted less than 6 minutes.  ew..


He's been convicted, so the lawyer has to say that.

It's not an admission of guilt: it's just respecting the jury's decision.

Pell still says he's innocent.

Moreover, what evidence? It's one man's word against another.  That's all.
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Reply #222 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:20pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:12pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:47pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:34pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:21pm:
I didn't know Pecca was the sort of person who needed proof. Every second day he post up something about Trump's rape allegations or that Russia crap. Now he's sceptical about Pell's court decision??????



I don't get why you're crying. He has provided proof of that allegation many times. 

Roll Eyes


The rape allegations? I'm sure that Trump has skeletons in his closet but nothing pecca has posted has any solid facts. It's all he said she said. Total rubbish. Magazine sellers.


Again: I've never accused Trump of being a child rapist.


We all know why you keep posting that stuff over and over and over and over. If you didn't believe it we wouldn't have to keep reading the same stuff ad nauseam . You've never been big on facts Pecca. I'm just trying to work out why Pell is somebody you want to defend? Do you wish he penetrated you? Some weird sex fantasy perhaps?


I've never defended Pell.  Ever.

How many VBs have you had this afternoon?


I already told Ballsack once today. I DON'T DRINK VB!!!!

Why not may I ask?
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Reply #223 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:21pm
 
Johnnie wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:20pm:
Why not may I ask?



probably because it tastes like piss  Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #224 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:24pm
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:21pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:20pm:
Why not may I ask?



probably because it tastes like piss  Cheesy Cheesy

It is the nectar of the gods.
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Johnnie wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:24pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:21pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:20pm:
Why not may I ask?



probably because it tastes like piss  Cheesy Cheesy

It is the nectar of the gods.



then you should change religion.  Cheesy
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Johnnie wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:24pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:21pm:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 7:20pm:
Why not may I ask?



probably because it tastes like piss  Cheesy Cheesy

It is the nectar of the gods.


Crap.  It is soapy water.  Why do I like soapy water?
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The boys advised him where to go and he just abused them.
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I've decided that Pell shouldn't be hanged.
The reason is that the test of " beyond reasonable doubt"
is not strong enough to hang anyone.
The slightest bit of doubt is enough that they should win a reprieve from hanging.

The test should be - no doubt whatsoever - and
in this case there is too much doubt.
It's just one man's word against another.
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I've deleted the poll and at this time the no vote was winning 13 to 7.
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Reply #230 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 6:26am
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:51pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:35pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:34pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:23pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 27th, 2019 at 6:21pm:
I didn't know Pecca was the sort of person who needed proof. Every second day he post up something about Trump's rape allegations or that Russia crap. Now he's sceptical about Pell's court decision??????



I don't get why you're crying. He has provided proof of that allegation many times. 

Roll Eyes


The rape allegations? I'm sure that Trump has skeletons in his closet but nothing pecca has posted has any solid facts. It's all he said she said. Total rubbish. Magazine sellers.


Again: I've never accused Trump of being a child rapist.


We all know why you keep posting that stuff over and over and over and over. If you didn't believe it we wouldn't have to keep reading the same stuff ad nauseam . You've never been big on facts Pecca. I'm just trying to work out why Pell is somebody you want to defend? Do you wish he penetrated you? Some weird sex fantasy perhaps?



Groggy manages to bring Trump into every thread on Ozpolitic -
I'm sick of it.


Ironically it wasnt him

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Reply #231 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:12am
 
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/why-the-complainant-in-geor...


Seems like the witness (that everyone keeps mentioning is the only one) appeared strong and credible. He came forward after the other boy died from drug abuse. And as the article pointed out, the lawyer whilst having a odd turn of phrase, has defended many criminal clients and is highly regarded. If there were holes in the witnesses story, don't you think they would have been found?
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:12am:
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/why-the-complainant-in-geor...


Seems like the witness (that everyone keeps mentioning is the only one) appeared strong and credible. He came forward after the other boy died from drug abuse. And as the article pointed out, the lawyer whilst having a odd turn of phrase, has defended many criminal clients and is highly regarded. If there were holes in the witnesses story, don't you think they would have been found?


One man's word against another, yeah?

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Reply #233 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:17am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:15am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:12am:
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/why-the-complainant-in-geor...


Seems like the witness (that everyone keeps mentioning is the only one) appeared strong and credible. He came forward after the other boy died from drug abuse. And as the article pointed out, the lawyer whilst having a odd turn of phrase, has defended many criminal clients and is highly regarded. If there were holes in the witnesses story, don't you think they would have been found?


One man's word against another, yeah?





Perhaps, but then surely then its a case of letting Pell testify.
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Reply #234 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:19am
 

Brian Burke (former disgraced WA Premier) has had something to say about juries this morning.

They don't always get things right.
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Reply #235 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:21am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:19am:
Brian Burke (former disgraced WA Premier) has had something to say about juries this morning.

They don't always get things right.




Whilst thats true, I still find it interesting that all  the commentary is from people who didnt sit in the trial. It may seem like just 1 mans word against another, but its probably more complex than that.
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Reply #236 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:23am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:17am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:15am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:12am:
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/why-the-complainant-in-geor...


Seems like the witness (that everyone keeps mentioning is the only one) appeared strong and credible. He came forward after the other boy died from drug abuse. And as the article pointed out, the lawyer whilst having a odd turn of phrase, has defended many criminal clients and is highly regarded. If there were holes in the witnesses story, don't you think they would have been found?


One man's word against another, yeah?





Perhaps, but then surely then its a case of letting Pell testify.


That's the point, though: it's not 'perhaps' - it IS just one man's word against another.

I've seen no mention of independent witness statements, or CCTV footage, or audio of the event, etc.

Unless, of course, those details haven't been released (which is possible).
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Reply #237 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:24am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:23am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:17am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:15am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:12am:
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/why-the-complainant-in-geor...


Seems like the witness (that everyone keeps mentioning is the only one) appeared strong and credible. He came forward after the other boy died from drug abuse. And as the article pointed out, the lawyer whilst having a odd turn of phrase, has defended many criminal clients and is highly regarded. If there were holes in the witnesses story, don't you think they would have been found?


One man's word against another, yeah?





Perhaps, but then surely then its a case of letting Pell testify.


That's the point, though: it's not 'perhaps' - it IS just one man's word against another.

I've seen no mention of independent witness statements, or CCTV footage, or audio of the event, etc.

Unless, of course, those details haven't been released (which is possible).



Audio of what event, the trial or the attack?
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Reply #238 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:33am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:24am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:23am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:17am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:15am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:12am:
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/why-the-complainant-in-geor...


Seems like the witness (that everyone keeps mentioning is the only one) appeared strong and credible. He came forward after the other boy died from drug abuse. And as the article pointed out, the lawyer whilst having a odd turn of phrase, has defended many criminal clients and is highly regarded. If there were holes in the witnesses story, don't you think they would have been found?


One man's word against another, yeah?





Perhaps, but then surely then its a case of letting Pell testify.


That's the point, though: it's not 'perhaps' - it IS just one man's word against another.

I've seen no mention of independent witness statements, or CCTV footage, or audio of the event, etc.

Unless, of course, those details haven't been released (which is possible).



Audio of what event, the trial or the attack?


The attack.

Audio, video, or even an eye-witness account.

Or even forensic evidence - semen stained clothes, etc.

It appears that none of these things exist.

The victim says he did it, and the accused says he didn't.




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Reply #240 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:38am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:33am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:24am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:23am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:17am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:15am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:12am:
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/why-the-complainant-in-geor...


Seems like the witness (that everyone keeps mentioning is the only one) appeared strong and credible. He came forward after the other boy died from drug abuse. And as the article pointed out, the lawyer whilst having a odd turn of phrase, has defended many criminal clients and is highly regarded. If there were holes in the witnesses story, don't you think they would have been found?


One man's word against another, yeah?





Perhaps, but then surely then its a case of letting Pell testify.


That's the point, though: it's not 'perhaps' - it IS just one man's word against another.

I've seen no mention of independent witness statements, or CCTV footage, or audio of the event, etc.

Unless, of course, those details haven't been released (which is possible).



Audio of what event, the trial or the attack?


The attack.

Audio, video, or even an eye-witness account.

Or even forensic evidence - semen stained clothes, etc.

It appears that none of these things exist.

The victim says he did it, and the accused says he didn't.







Thats assuming both sides are equally believable.
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Reply #241 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:55am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:33am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:24am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:23am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:17am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:15am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:12am:
https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/courts-law/why-the-complainant-in-geor...


Seems like the witness (that everyone keeps mentioning is the only one) appeared strong and credible. He came forward after the other boy died from drug abuse. And as the article pointed out, the lawyer whilst having a odd turn of phrase, has defended many criminal clients and is highly regarded. If there were holes in the witnesses story, don't you think they would have been found?


One man's word against another, yeah?





Perhaps, but then surely then its a case of letting Pell testify.


That's the point, though: it's not 'perhaps' - it IS just one man's word against another.

I've seen no mention of independent witness statements, or CCTV footage, or audio of the event, etc.

Unless, of course, those details haven't been released (which is possible).



Audio of what event, the trial or the attack?


The attack.

Audio, video, or even an eye-witness account.

Or even forensic evidence - semen stained clothes, etc.

It appears that none of these things exist.

The victim says he did it, and the accused says he didn't.



At a later date the victim could change his story  -
it's happened before.
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At a later date the victim could change his story  -
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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:19am:
Brian Burke (former disgraced WA Premier) has had something to say about juries this morning.

They don't always get things right.


Did he mention unsafe verdict????

ie, two juries.....first 10/2 for acquittal; second 12/0 for conviction. Be it Pell, or Barry from Broadmeadows, I find this discrepancy (among issues already mentioned here) a deeply disturbing aspect.




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Reply #246 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 10:58am
 
Alinta wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 10:48am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:19am:
Brian Burke (former disgraced WA Premier) has had something to say about juries this morning.

They don't always get things right.


Did he mention unsafe verdict????

ie, two juries.....first 10/2 for acquittal; second 12/0 for conviction. Be it Pell, or Barry from Broadmeadows, I find this discrepancy (among issues already mentioned here) a deeply disturbing aspect.








Is there a link about that 10/2 for acquittal?
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Reply #247 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:03am
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 10:58am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 10:48am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:19am:
Brian Burke (former disgraced WA Premier) has had something to say about juries this morning.

They don't always get things right.


Did he mention unsafe verdict????

ie, two juries.....first 10/2 for acquittal; second 12/0 for conviction. Be it Pell, or Barry from Broadmeadows, I find this discrepancy (among issues already mentioned here) a deeply disturbing aspect.








Is there a link about that 10/2 for acquittal?


One of several....

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/02/why-the-case-against-cardinal-george-pell...

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Alinta wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:03am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 10:58am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 10:48am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:19am:
Brian Burke (former disgraced WA Premier) has had something to say about juries this morning.

They don't always get things right.


Did he mention unsafe verdict????

ie, two juries.....first 10/2 for acquittal; second 12/0 for conviction. Be it Pell, or Barry from Broadmeadows, I find this discrepancy (among issues already mentioned here) a deeply disturbing aspect.








Is there a link about that 10/2 for acquittal?


One of several....

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/02/why-the-case-against-cardinal-george-pell...





Another opinion piece written by a guy who never went to a trial.


Plus theres also a slight problem

https://lylawyers.com.au/majority-verdicts-how-do-they-work-1/


In other states, Northern Territory, South Australia, Tasmania, Victoria and Western Australia majority verdicts can be reached if 10 of the 12 jurors agree to the verdict.


Scratch that last one, law foundation says in Vic its 11 out of 12 jurors.
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Reply #249 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:22am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:57am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:55am:
At a later date the victim could change his story  -
it's happened before.


Excellent point.

And, as a side note, another fine example of why capital punishment is never a good idea.



I don't agree in the case of the Bourke street massacre.
100s of witnesses to mass murder.
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Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:57am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:55am:
At a later date the victim could change his story  -
it's happened before.


Excellent point.

And, as a side note, another fine example of why capital punishment is never a good idea.



I don't agree in the case of the Bourke street massacre.
100s of witnesses to mass murder.


Sure.

However, another fine example of why capital punishment is never a good idea is the fact that the premeditated, state-sanctioned killing of prisoners is not something civilised societies should ever be involved in.

There are many other reasons too.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:34am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:57am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:55am:
At a later date the victim could change his story  -
it's happened before.


Excellent point.

And, as a side note, another fine example of why capital punishment is never a good idea.



I don't agree in the case of the Bourke street massacre.
100s of witnesses to mass murder.


Sure.

However, another fine example of why capital punishment is never a good idea is the fact that the premeditated, state-sanctioned killing of prisoners is not something civilised societies should ever be involved in.

There are many other reasons too.



In the case of the Bourke street massacre -
James Gargasoulas committed mass murder in broad daylight with
100s of witnesses & CTV pics,  and was caught by police
in the car he used as the murder weapon at the scene of the crime.

In his case there is no doubt that he did it so
a good public hanging is what he deserved.

In the case of Pell it's one man's word against another
for a historical case over 20 years ago.
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Reply #252 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 2:44pm
 
Alinta wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 10:48am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:19am:
Brian Burke (former disgraced WA Premier) has had something to say about juries this morning.

They don't always get things right.


Did he mention unsafe verdict????

ie, two juries.....first 10/2 for acquittal; second 12/0 for conviction. Be it Pell, or Barry from Broadmeadows, I find this discrepancy (among issues already mentioned here) a deeply disturbing aspect.






Alinta.....how does anyone get access to that Jury count information?  In Qld...that is impossible.
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Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 2:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:34am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:57am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:55am:
At a later date the victim could change his story  -
it's happened before.


Excellent point.

And, as a side note, another fine example of why capital punishment is never a good idea.



I don't agree in the case of the Bourke street massacre.
100s of witnesses to mass murder.


Sure.

However, another fine example of why capital punishment is never a good idea is the fact that the premeditated, state-sanctioned killing of prisoners is not something civilised societies should ever be involved in.

There are many other reasons too.



In the case of the Bourke street massacre -
James Gargasoulas committed mass murder in broad daylight with
100s of witnesses & CTV pics,  and was caught by police
in the car he used as the murder weapon at the scene of the crime.

In his case there is no doubt that he did it ...


Indeed. I have no doubt about his guilt.

However, the premeditated state-sanctioned killing of prisoners is not something civilised societies should ever be involved in.

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Reply #254 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 5:43pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 5:13pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 2:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:34am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:57am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:55am:
At a later date the victim could change his story  -
it's happened before.


Excellent point.

And, as a side note, another fine example of why capital punishment is never a good idea.



I don't agree in the case of the Bourke street massacre.
100s of witnesses to mass murder.


Sure.

However, another fine example of why capital punishment is never a good idea is the fact that the premeditated, state-sanctioned killing of prisoners is not something civilised societies should ever be involved in.

There are many other reasons too.



In the case of the Bourke street massacre -
James Gargasoulas committed mass murder in broad daylight with
100s of witnesses & CTV pics,  and was caught by police
in the car he used as the murder weapon at the scene of the crime.

In his case there is no doubt that he did it ...


Indeed. I have no doubt about his guilt.

However, the premeditated state-sanctioned killing of prisoners is not something civilised societies should ever be involved in.




I don't agree with you.
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Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 2:44pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 10:48am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:19am:
Brian Burke (former disgraced WA Premier) has had something to say about juries this morning.

They don't always get things right.


Did he mention unsafe verdict????

ie, two juries.....first 10/2 for acquittal; second 12/0 for conviction. Be it Pell, or Barry from Broadmeadows, I find this discrepancy (among issues already mentioned here) a deeply disturbing aspect.






Alinta.....how does anyone get access to that Jury count information?  In Qld...that is impossible.


I can find nothing that definitively answers your question Aussie. I was myself surprised to read it across several websites. I'd only be guessing but reckon it was discussion in open court between the Judge and Foreperson of the jury following a week's deliberation without unanimity, eg Would an 11 to 1 majority assist the jury? .....and it flowed from there ......but it doesn't really explain why anything about acquittal was mentioned (if in fact it was).  Too many questions to which I cannot find answers.........yet.
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Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 5:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 5:13pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 2:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:34am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:57am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:55am:
At a later date the victim could change his story  -
it's happened before.


Excellent point.

And, as a side note, another fine example of why capital punishment is never a good idea.



I don't agree in the case of the Bourke street massacre.
100s of witnesses to mass murder.


Sure.

However, another fine example of why capital punishment is never a good idea is the fact that the premeditated, state-sanctioned killing of prisoners is not something civilised societies should ever be involved in.

There are many other reasons too.



In the case of the Bourke street massacre -
James Gargasoulas committed mass murder in broad daylight with
100s of witnesses & CTV pics,  and was caught by police
in the car he used as the murder weapon at the scene of the crime.

In his case there is no doubt that he did it ...


Indeed. I have no doubt about his guilt.

However, the premeditated state-sanctioned killing of prisoners is not something civilised societies should ever be involved in.




I don't agree with you.


That's because you're not civilised.

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I don't know what they are complaining about

Back in the dim dark past
They used to chop off a young boys dangly bits so he could keep his voice for singing

At least they do do that no more

Only muzzos do it now, to young girls
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Alinta wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:03am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 10:58am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 10:48am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:19am:
Brian Burke (former disgraced WA Premier) has had something to say about juries this morning.

They don't always get things right.


Did he mention unsafe verdict????

ie, two juries.....first 10/2 for acquittal; second 12/0 for conviction. Be it Pell, or Barry from Broadmeadows, I find this discrepancy (among issues already mentioned here) a deeply disturbing aspect.








Is there a link about that 10/2 for acquittal?


One of several....

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/02/why-the-case-against-cardinal-george-pell...




very interesting alinta thank you for that....

because I have no idea what goes on  in the course of Mass or celebrations of the kind in a Catholic church   can we say... they are almost always run in the same fashion....or order may be a better way of saying it....

for instance Pell was newly ordained as an Archbishop.....it would have been a great honor for him I am sure.. why would he not do what he has always done and greet his adoring parishioners , instead  just return alone to to sacristan  where he happened upon two boys whom no one had missed......

and still to this day no one had any idea they apparently left the full choir....and also returned again all without notice.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes.

to me a large choir men and boys....someone would have  seen two boys sneaking off....the victim has said he was terrified of pell.....and yet he says he sneaked behind his back and went to a place that was not open to boys at any time.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

I would at least expect one person to have seen something...the boys were dressed in their choir tunics   and were still wearing them when its claimed they returned to the group...all un noticed by anyone....even their choir master didnt miss two boys under his care.......I find it odd.
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Reply #260 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:37pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 6:11pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 5:43pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 5:13pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 2:40pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:34am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:22am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:57am:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:55am:
At a later date the victim could change his story  -
it's happened before.


Excellent point.

And, as a side note, another fine example of why capital punishment is never a good idea.



I don't agree in the case of the Bourke street massacre.
100s of witnesses to mass murder.


Sure.

However, another fine example of why capital punishment is never a good idea is the fact that the premeditated, state-sanctioned killing of prisoners is not something civilised societies should ever be involved in.

There are many other reasons too.



In the case of the Bourke street massacre -
James Gargasoulas committed mass murder in broad daylight with
100s of witnesses & CTV pics,  and was caught by police
in the car he used as the murder weapon at the scene of the crime.

In his case there is no doubt that he did it ...


Indeed. I have no doubt about his guilt.

However, the premeditated state-sanctioned killing of prisoners is not something civilised societies should ever be involved in.




I don't agree with you.


That's because you're not civilised.





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Reply #261 - Mar 3rd, 2019 at 10:14am
 
Alinta wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 5:44pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 2:44pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 10:48am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:19am:
Brian Burke (former disgraced WA Premier) has had something to say about juries this morning.

They don't always get things right.


Did he mention unsafe verdict????

ie, two juries.....first 10/2 for acquittal; second 12/0 for conviction. Be it Pell, or Barry from Broadmeadows, I find this discrepancy (among issues already mentioned here) a deeply disturbing aspect.






Alinta.....how does anyone get access to that Jury count information?  In Qld...that is impossible.


I can find nothing that definitively answers your question Aussie. I was myself surprised to read it across several websites. I'd only be guessing but reckon it was discussion in open court between the Judge and Foreperson of the jury following a week's deliberation without unanimity, eg Would an 11 to 1 majority assist the jury? .....and it flowed from there ......but it doesn't really explain why anything about acquittal was mentioned (if in fact it was).  Too many questions to which I cannot find answers.........yet. 



EDIT: Vote count in the mistrial is an unconfirmed rumour....no credible source. 

My apology for misleading the discussion.
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Reply #262 - Mar 4th, 2019 at 7:13am
 
Alinta wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 5:44pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 2:44pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 10:48am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:19am:
Brian Burke (former disgraced WA Premier) has had something to say about juries this morning.

They don't always get things right.


Did he mention unsafe verdict????

ie, two juries.....first 10/2 for acquittal; second 12/0 for conviction. Be it Pell, or Barry from Broadmeadows, I find this discrepancy (among issues already mentioned here) a deeply disturbing aspect.






Alinta.....how does anyone get access to that Jury count information?  In Qld...that is impossible.


I can find nothing that definitively answers your question Aussie. I was myself surprised to read it across several websites. I'd only be guessing but reckon it was discussion in open court between the Judge and Foreperson of the jury following a week's deliberation without unanimity, eg Would an 11 to 1 majority assist the jury? .....and it flowed from there ......but it doesn't really explain why anything about acquittal was mentioned (if in fact it was).  Too many questions to which I cannot find answers.........yet. 



THeres a Guardian article from one of the few journos to attend every day of the trial. The whole 10-2 innocent in the first trial is complete bullshit. The judge specifically asked not to know what the count was so as to avoid bias in the 2nd.
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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/mar/02/cardinal-george-pells-con...

t has been rumoured that the jurors in the mistrial were split 10-to-two in favour of Pell. Is this right?
This is an unverified rumour with no credible source. There have been plenty of other rumours about the split in the mistrial, including that it was more even. The weight of the split makes no difference. The law requires a unanimous or 11-to-one verdict, and anything else results in a mistrial. The chief judge is not told of the split and he made it clear he did not want to know. Any juror who reveals the split breaks the law.

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The mistrial split is also irrelevant in the appeal court. In the retrial, both parties may learn from their mistakes, change their approach and refine their arguments. It would be unfair to then judge the verdict in a retrial against the verdict in the mistrial. In Pell’s retrial, witnesses were dropped by mutual agreement of both parties, and Richter added a power point presentation to his defence. One new witness was added. It was similar, but not the same, as the first.
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cartoons are a bit low..

a lot of people who were abused but not by the Catholic Church are also reliving their ordeals because of the high profile of this..

why do people have a need to draw cartoons of it...???

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Reply #266 - Mar 4th, 2019 at 4:42pm
 
Alinta wrote on Mar 3rd, 2019 at 10:14am:
Alinta wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 5:44pm:
Aussie wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 2:44pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 10:48am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 9:19am:
Brian Burke (former disgraced WA Premier) has had something to say about juries this morning.

They don't always get things right.


Did he mention unsafe verdict????

ie, two juries.....first 10/2 for acquittal; second 12/0 for conviction. Be it Pell, or Barry from Broadmeadows, I find this discrepancy (among issues already mentioned here) a deeply disturbing aspect.






Alinta.....how does anyone get access to that Jury count information?  In Qld...that is impossible.


I can find nothing that definitively answers your question Aussie. I was myself surprised to read it across several websites. I'd only be guessing but reckon it was discussion in open court between the Judge and Foreperson of the jury following a week's deliberation without unanimity, eg Would an 11 to 1 majority assist the jury? .....and it flowed from there ......but it doesn't really explain why anything about acquittal was mentioned (if in fact it was).  Too many questions to which I cannot find answers.........yet. 



EDIT: Vote count in the mistrial is an unconfirmed rumour....no credible source. 

My apology for misleading the discussion.



nothing to do with you alinta....we all take faith in what we read....a bit like this trial. Roll Eyes......some things are suss............but not to everyone..
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Reply #267 - Mar 4th, 2019 at 4:43pm
 
Pell deserves at least 30 years prison, what he had done in his position of power is blatantly evil.

Should have been a brief trial and the jury form a lynching party.
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Reply #268 - Mar 4th, 2019 at 4:49pm
 
Pedro Curevo wrote on Mar 4th, 2019 at 4:43pm:
Pell deserves at least 30 years prison, what he had done in his position of power is blatantly evil.

Should have been a brief trial and the jury form a lynching party.



If he really did it?

The appeals court could throw out the whole case.
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Reply #269 - Mar 4th, 2019 at 4:49pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 4th, 2019 at 4:39pm:
cartoons are a bit low..

a lot of people who were abused but not by the Catholic Church are also reliving their ordeals because of the high profile of this..

why do people have a need to draw cartoons of it...???

and even worse publish them Angry


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Reply #271 - Mar 4th, 2019 at 6:08pm
 
Pell has the right to appeal his conviction....it will take a miracle to quash the conviction, and if by chance he is found not guilty that does little to help the victims.

Pell was head of the Australian Catholic church in charge of sexual misconduct....to stall and delay so no compensation has to be paid was a directive from him or the top of the Church, thereby reducing the number of claims having to be paid as victims commit suicide or die early from drug abuse...and that is evil.
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Reply #272 - Mar 4th, 2019 at 6:10pm
 
Pedro Curevo wrote on Mar 4th, 2019 at 6:08pm:
Pell has the right to appeal his conviction....it will take a miracle to quash the conviction, and if by chance he is found not guilty that does little to help the victims.

Pell was head of the Australian Catholic church in charge of sexual misconduct....to stall and delay so no compensation has to be paid was a directive from him or the top of the Church, thereby reducing the number of claims having to be paid as victims commit suicide or die early from drug abuse...and that is evil.



And that has SFA to do with his conviction.
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Reply #273 - Mar 4th, 2019 at 6:17pm
 
Pedro Curevo wrote on Mar 4th, 2019 at 6:08pm:
Pell has the right to appeal his conviction....it will take a miracle to quash the conviction, and if by chance he is found not guilty that does little to help the victims.

Pell was head of the Australian Catholic church in charge of sexual misconduct....to stall and delay so no compensation has to be paid was a directive from him or the top of the Church, thereby reducing the number of claims having to be paid as victims commit suicide or die early from drug abuse...and that is evil.



miracle?

There's always divine intervention.
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Reply #274 - Mar 4th, 2019 at 6:21pm
 
Tonight.  ABC 2


Four Corners Guilty: The Conviction of Cardinal Pell

8:32PM - 9:18PM

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Reveals how Australia's highest ranking Catholic, Cardinal George Pell, was brought to justice. With the suppression order lifted on his conviction, the full story can now be told.
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Reply #275 - Mar 4th, 2019 at 6:24pm
 
Pedro Curevo wrote on Mar 4th, 2019 at 6:08pm:
Pell has the right to appeal his conviction....it will take a miracle to quash the conviction, and if by chance he is found not guilty that does little to help the victims.


If he's found not guilty, there are no victims.

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Reply #276 - Mar 4th, 2019 at 6:28pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 4th, 2019 at 6:24pm:
Pedro Curevo wrote on Mar 4th, 2019 at 6:08pm:
Pell has the right to appeal his conviction....it will take a miracle to quash the conviction, and if by chance he is found not guilty that does little to help the victims.


If he's found not guilty, there are no victims.



...of his...to date.  (Taking the yet to be determined Appeal into account..) You watch the surge in metoo.
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Reply #277 - Mar 4th, 2019 at 6:42pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 4th, 2019 at 6:28pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 4th, 2019 at 6:24pm:
Pedro Curevo wrote on Mar 4th, 2019 at 6:08pm:
Pell has the right to appeal his conviction....it will take a miracle to quash the conviction, and if by chance he is found not guilty that does little to help the victims.


If he's found not guilty, there are no victims.



...of his...to date.  (Taking the yet to be determined Appeal into account..) You watch the surge in metoo.


Of his, yes.

If he's found not guilty, it shows that he didn't bugger any kids in the mouth.

I get a strange feeling that red & Pedro won't accept the outcome of the appeal, though.
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Reply #278 - Mar 4th, 2019 at 9:25pm
 
Alinta wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:03am:



Only people who have no idea what a Catholic Mass and its procedures and rituals are, what a sacristry is, can and do insist that what is alleged could and did happen and so the conviction is substantiated.

The Red Queen in Alice could believe 6 impossible things before breakfast. Those who convicetd Pell on the evidence presented to them had to believe 10.




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Reply #279 - Mar 4th, 2019 at 9:30pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 4th, 2019 at 9:25pm:
Alinta wrote on Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:03am:



Only people who have no idea what a Catholic Mass and its procedures and rituals are, what a sacristry is, can and do insist that what is alleged could and did happen and so the conviction is substantiated.

The Red Queen in Alice could believe 6 impossible things before breakfast. Those who convicetd Pell on the evidence presented to them had to believe 10.


I was brought up Catholic, it's a room for the "sacred objects", clothes, wine etc, I had friends who were altar boys, one of which pissed up on the wine, lucky he wasn't caught. Went to Catholic schools until 3/4 through year 10. Went to mass many many times as is required, baptised, confirmed etc. May I have an opinion? Is my opinion worthless because I saw the religion as worthless?
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Reply #280 - Mar 4th, 2019 at 10:16pm
 
I disagree with the Rabbi.

We should confront the question about the bulldust of the whole of religious belief.

If you take the 3 word slogan and reverse it, it all becomes obvious:

"God created man" ... change it to "Man created God".

All confusion about all religions is instantly solved.  Cool


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Reply #281 - Mar 4th, 2019 at 10:19pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 4th, 2019 at 10:16pm:
I disagree with the Rabbi.

We should confront the question about the bulldust of the whole of religious belief.

If you take the 3 word slogan and reverse it, it all becomes obvious:

"God created man" ... change it to "Man created God".

All confusion about all religions is instantly solved.  Cool


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Agree.

In his own image which is why God, whichever faith, is an arsehole. At least for the desert mid-east monotheisms. Brothers in iniquity.


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Reply #282 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:20am
 
https://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com/2019/03/02/australian-paedophile-support-ri...

AUSTRALIAN PAEDOPHILE SUPPORT RING, WHICH INCLUDES 2 FORMER PM’S, OUT THEMSELVES IN THEIR SUPPORT OF GEORGE PELL


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In the last week 2 former Australian Prime Ministers, John Howard and Tony Abbott, have confirmed they supported George Pell before and after he was convicted of being a paedophile. The only person I know who would support a paedophile is another paedophile. So, with that and the other evidence below the question that has to be asked is if Howard and Abbott are paedophiles themselves.

In 2015 former Liberal Party Senator Bill Heffernan said in parliament that he had a police list of 28 paedophiles, which included a former Prime Minister and current judges, that was leaked to him by a law enforcement body. This was not refuted by the Attorney-General or former Attorney-Generals who it was also claimed had seen the list. In fact no one in government or anywhere else ever denied the list existed.

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Then this week 2 former Prime Ministers, Tony Abbott and John Howard, gave their full-support for convicted paedophile Cardinal George Pell which included John Howard writing a letter of reference (see the letter below) for Pell to try to get him a lesser jail sentence. At the very least it should make you wonder if at least one of them is a paedophile although Tony Abbott was the Prime Minister at the time Bill Heffernan raised the list in parliament so that would rule him out as the “former Prime Minister” named on the list.

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“In the photo, Catholic priest Gerald Ridsdale (left, in sunglasses and hat) walks to court, accompanied by his support person (Bishop George Pell, then an auxiliary bishop in Melbourne), when Father Ridsdale was pleading guilty to his first batch of criminal charges in May 1993 for sexually abusing children. But no bishop accompanied the victims, who felt deserted by the church leaders.”

Even though we didn’t know at the time it turns out Pell was supporting his fellow paedophile in court and obviously didn’t careless for the victims. But the picture alone said Pell was a grub for supporting Father Ridsdale in court and Prime Ministers, and any person with self-respect, should have nothing to do with Pell.

I published an article in 2015 titled: “Who is the former Australian Prime Minister and judges who are paedophiles?“ and said:

There is enough detail in Senator Heffernan’s allegations to make them very credible. Some of the details are:

The list “formed part of police documents that had been “signed off” by Gary Crooke, QC, the former senior counsel assisting NSW’s Wood royal commission into police corruption in the 1990s. Mr Crooke declined to comment when contacted by Fairfax Media on Tuesday.”
The list includes a former Australian Prime Minister, judges, members of the legal fraternity and others.
“Every Commonwealth attorney-general since Philip Ruddock had seen the list”. This seems to have been confirmed by Philip Ruddock and Former Labor Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus.
Senator Heffernan “accused former royal commissioner Justice James Roland Wood of refusing to investigate lawyers who had allegedly attended a Kings Cross “boy brothel”. (Click here to read more)
The name of the club was Costellos and was a known “boy brothel” attended by members of the Sydney legal fraternity. (Click here to read more)
Former Royal Commissioner Wood denied the allegations by Senator Heffernan, but not outright. “Mr Wood could not recall if the alleged list had been raised at the 1995 commission but said: “I reject that we failed to investigate anyone that fell within our terms of reference.” That is a very weak denial by Mr Wood and allows him plenty of wriggle room to change his story later down the track if needed. (Click here to read more)
(Click here to read the full 2015 article: “Who is the former Australian Prime Minister and judges who are paedophiles?”

Below is the video of Senator Bill Heffernan on 19th October 2015 making the allegations in parliament:

https://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com/2019/03/02/australian-paedophile-support-ri...

Below is a picture of former Australian Prime Ministers and it would be one of them who is on the police list:

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Former Prime Ministers – October 2015

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In September 2013 I wrote the below in an article :

“Tony Abbott and George Pell have a history of working together in politics. Before the 2004 election Tony Abbott gave an infamous interview on the ABC’s Lateline where he was caught lying and deceiving in relation to a meeting with George Pell. A couple of days after the meeting George Pell was a signatory to a letter criticising the Labor Party.” (Click here to read the article) Below is the video showing Tony Abbott lying.

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Reply #283 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:20am
 
On Wednesday (26/2/19) Tony Abbott did an interview with radio announcer Ben Fordham and ducked and weaved, like he did in the previous video from 2004, when  asked if he had spoken to George Pell after he was convicted of being a paedophile. Eventually Abbott answered yes but his ducking and weaving says a lot. The interview is below.

Below is the letter that former Prime Minister John Howard sent to George Pell after he was convicted of being a paedophile to be used as a reference in court to try to help Pell get a reduced sentence. As far as I am concerned the letter is about as scandalous as it gets and shows what contempt John Howard has for survivors of abuse.

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John Howard’s reference for paedophile George Pell to try to help reduce his sentence and is almost identical to Tony Abbott’s reference for accused paedophile Priest Father John Nester in 1997 to try to help him get his conviction overturned. I wrote an article in 2013 titled “Tony Abbott and his friend Cardinal George Pell. Perceived bias for the Royal Commission into child sex abuse” and said:

Tony Abbott – reference for accused paedophile Priest Father John Nester in 1997

Father John Nestor and Tony Abbott both attended the Sydney’s St Patrick’s Seminary in the 1980s when Mr Abbott was planning on becoming a priest.

Father Nester “was a priest in the Wollongong diocese in NSW when he was charged with the indecent assault of a 15-year-old altar boy in 1991.”

“Father Nestor was convicted in Wollongong Local Court on February 18, 1997, and sentenced to 16 months in jail, with the magistrate describing the case as a ”gross breach of trust”.”

“In court, the priest admitted he had – while dressed in boxer shorts and a singlet – slept on mattresses on a floor in the presbytery with the boy and his younger brother some time between June and September 1991.”

On appeal in October 1997 the conviction was overturned. But Father Nester was never allowed to return as a priest.

“The then-Wollongong Bishop, Philip Wilson, now Catholic Archbishop of Adelaide, advised Fr Nestor in writing ”significant additional material that I have received … has been a cause of worry concerning your suitability for a further pastoral appointment in this diocese or any other”.”

“Fr Nestor appealed to the Vatican’s Congregation for the Clergy, which decreed he be reinstated.”

“But in February 2001, the Wollongong diocese appealed and the decree was overturned.” (Click here to read more)

During the course of those proceedings Tony Abbott who was then a Federal MP gave a reference in court for Father Nester.

“Tony Abbott insisted on providing a character reference for a Catholic priest later struck off the clergy list by the Vatican following a child abuse case, the former priest says.”

“Mr Nestor told AAP at his home in rural NSW that Mr Abbott agreed to provide the character reference in 1997 after being approached by his barrister.”

“When the lawyer approached Tony Abbott, he said look, I know you’re a parliamentary secretary and you may feel that because of your position you don’t want to get involved in this case’.”

“Tony said, no, I’m coming down,’. He insisted on coming down and giving the reference, because he’s a man of integrity.” (Click here to read more)

Tony Abbott told the court Father Nester was a “An extremely upright and virtuous man. I guess one of things that I liked very much about John when I first him, was his maturity, intellectual, social, emotional he was, to that extent I guess, a beacon of humanity at the Seminary” (Click here to read more)

In an interview in March this year the victim questioned why Tony Abbott gave evidence:

“the alleged victim, who asked not to be named, said Mr Abbott should not have provided a character reference for Mr Nestor.”

”I was not aware of who Tony Abbott was at the time,” he said.

”While I do not necessarily believe that he has done anything wrong, in hindsight it may have been better if he had not involved himself in the matter.”

It is understood Mr Abbott communicated with Mr Nestor twice after the court cases, but has had no contact with him for almost 15 years.

”In 1997, Mr Abbott provided a reference for Mr Nestor in an open court. He was subsequently acquitted by a District Court judge,” a spokesman for Mr Abbott said.

The alleged victim queried why Mr Abbott hadn’t stayed in contact with Mr Nestor.

”If someone was of such good character, why has contact not been kept?” he asked.

He said Mr Abbott’s reference may have been a factor in Mr Nestor’s successful appeal.

”Certainly a character reference from a member of parliament would hold some sway, no doubt about it,” he said.

“It probably did play a big part, but there were other things that played a bigger part. For example, John Nestor never gave evidence at the trial. He was never cross-examined.”

He said his case should be examined by the royal commission into child sex abuse. (Click here to read more)

The Nester case and Tony Abbott’s involvement at the very least show poor judgement by Tony Abbott given Nester was ultimately struck off as a Priest. (Click here to read the article)

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Reply #284 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:21am
 
As far as I know the Royal commission didn’t review the Father Nester case. In summary Tony Abbott supported alleged paedophile Father Nestor and now supports George Pell even after he has been convicted of sexually abusing children. The fact that Tony Abbott tried to conceal his support for Pell shows he knows what he is doing is wrong.

George Pell’s lies on 60 Minutes in 2002 – We now know that George Pell was a paedophile overseeing what compensation the Church would give survivors and doing what he could to make sure the police never became involved in any of the cases of abuse by priests as per the below video.

A few others such as Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp and their journalists have also been supporting Pell and in doing so have stuck their hands up saying they are members of the Australian paedophile support ring. Exactly what Murdoch and News Corp have been up to could end up being exposed in court as the Victorian CDPP has apparently said they intend on following through with contempt charges against some of their journalists for breaching suppression orders and sub judice laws.

I think the ultimate fallout from this matter with be far-reaching covering the church, the judiciary, politics and the media.

It’s a disgusting thought that a former Australian Prime Minister could be a paedophile but the possibility can’t be dismissed. What can be said for a fact that since George Pell’s conviction a high-profile paedophile support ring has outed itself in the Australian media and some parts of Australian politics and it needs to be investigated.
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Reply #285 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 6:14am
 
Child abuse:
7% of Australian Catholic priests alleged to be involved


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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-38877158


An inquiry examining institutional sex abuse in Australia has heard 7% of the nation's Catholic priests allegedly abused children between 1950 and 2010.

In one religious order, over 40% of church figures were accused of abuse.

Over 4,440 people claim to have been victims between 1980 and 2015, the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sex Abuse was told.

The commission, Australia's highest form of inquiry, is also investigating abuse at non-religious organisations.

It has previously heard harrowing testimony from scores of people who suffered abuse at the hands of clergy.
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Reply #286 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 6:45am
 
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/peter-andrew-hansen-to-make-bid-for-j...

Labor’s campaign to hold the safe state seat of Cabramatta has been thrown into disarray after the local branch president was charged with producing pornography which allegedly exploited children in The Philippines and importing prohibited material into Australia.

Peter Andrew Hansen, 61, who speaks fluent Vietnamese and recently celebrated securing his driver’s licence in that country, was arrested at Sydney International Airport when he returned from Vietnam on October 6.

The Daily Telegraph can reveal details of the case for the first time after an interim suppression order was not continued.



another member of the ALP....a local branch President..charged with child abuse.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

how many is this now????....

you cant claim the Catholic Church  is the only institution with this appalling record.....and turn a blind eye  to what is happening elsewhere....
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it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:20am:
The only person I know who would support a paedophile is another paedophile.


“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it, Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”
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Didnt i already post that?

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I wouldn't be surprised if Abbott was a kiddyfiddler too.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:30am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:20am:
The only person I know who would support a paedophile is another paedophile.


“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it, Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”


I wrote that greg ?

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it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:30am:
it_is_the_light wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:20am:
The only person I know who would support a paedophile is another paedophile.


“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it, Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”


I wrote that greg ?

really ?



It comes directly from your post, and it has no quotation marks.

If it's not your quote, do you agree with it?

Donald Trump said this:

“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it, Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

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Saw the 4 Corners episode on Pell last night. The bit that  got me is that bloke at the beach side dressing rooms, seeing Pell naked in front of 8-10 year old boys. He tells the kids to move on and then confronts Pell and tells him he knows what he is up to, and to never come back.

How Pell could get off this conviction escapes me.
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Reply #293 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:31pm
 
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
Saw the 4 Corners episode on Pell last night. The bit that  got me is that bloke at the beach side dressing rooms, seeing Pell naked in front of 8-10 year old boys. He tells the kids to move on and then confronts Pell and tells him he knows what he is up to, and to never come back.

How Pell could get off this conviction escapes me.


Pell was not charged with any offence arising out of that incident.
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Reply #294 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:32pm
 
Pell is just one of many Catholics priests guilty of child sex abuse

Anthony Bongiorno, John Byrne, Peter Chalk, David Daniel, Bernard Day, Anthony Eames, Nazareno Fasciale, Desmond Gannon, Michael Glennon, Jack Gubbels, Barry Gwillim, Penn Jones, Bernie Mackin, Terry Merivale, Syd Morey, John O'Callaghan, Kevin O'Donnell, Tom O'Keefe, Paul Pavlou, Dominic Phillips, Ronald Pickering, Terrence Pidoto, Victor Rubeo, Peter Searson, Ray Whitehouse. - the Pell network

And this list doesn't include the worst one of all - Ridsdale, serving a life sentence

There were many more but not revealed for various legal reasons, and some are dead

No doubt they were all Lib and Lab voters, that's the way they could get away with it for so long. Mates don't dob each other in
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Reply #295 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:49pm
 
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
Saw the 4 Corners episode on Pell last night. The bit that  got me is that bloke at the beach side dressing rooms, seeing Pell naked in front of 8-10 year old boys. He tells the kids to move on and then confronts Pell and tells him he knows what he is up to, and to never come back.

How Pell could get off this conviction escapes me.


Is it possible that "the bloke" was lying?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Moreover, what would the charge be: being naked in a dressing room?
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Reply #296 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:57pm
 
Whether or not he is guilty of personally sexually abusing children, the bastard ought to go to jail for all those times he "moved priests around" to cover up their abuse cases.  Angry

He was an accessory after the fact in all those cases.

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Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:57pm:
Whether or not he is guilty of personally sexually abusing children, the bastard ought to go to jail for all those times he "moved priests around" to cover up their abuse cases.  Angry

He was an accessory after the fact in all those cases.



Fair enough.......if he is charged and convicted of any offence arising out of your allegation.

It is not good enough to just toss in as much as you have heard about the Church and abuse, lay it all at the feet of Pell...and then use that scuttlebutt to convict him of an alleged offence the actual proof of which is one man's word against anothers.
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Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:57pm:
Whether or not he is guilty of personally sexually abusing children, the bastard ought to go to jail for all those times he "moved priests around" to cover up their abuse cases.  Angry

He was an accessory after the fact in all those cases.



Agree. If not guilty directly, he was definitely guilty indirectly by protecting the entire 'Spider' infection in the Church.
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Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:18pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:57pm:
Whether or not he is guilty of personally sexually abusing children, the bastard ought to go to jail for all those times he "moved priests around" to cover up their abuse cases.  Angry

He was an accessory after the fact in all those cases.



Fair enough.......if he is charged and convicted of any offence arising out of your allegation.

It is not good enough to just toss in as much as you have heard about the Church and abuse, lay it all at the feet of Pell...and then use that scuttlebutt to convict him of an alleged offence the actual proof of which is one man's word against anothers.


Reflecting on that further....how come the Pope (s) are escaping these allegations of involvement?  If Pell knew, then so would the Pope.
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Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:56pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:18pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:57pm:
Whether or not he is guilty of personally sexually abusing children, the bastard ought to go to jail for all those times he "moved priests around" to cover up their abuse cases.  Angry

He was an accessory after the fact in all those cases.



Fair enough.......if he is charged and convicted of any offence arising out of your allegation.

It is not good enough to just toss in as much as you have heard about the Church and abuse, lay it all at the feet of Pell...and then use that scuttlebutt to convict him of an alleged offence the actual proof of which is one man's word against anothers.


Reflecting on that further....how come the Pope (s) are escaping these allegations of involvement?  If Pell knew, then so would the Pope.



Correctamondo Mr Assie , all the popes have known for decades , its the elephant in the room that has to be ignored, or it brings down the catholic church !
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Pope John Paul II
: Knew about the Spiders but just turned a blind eye and smiled for the Media cameras to earn the award "People's Pope"  Roll Eyes

Pope Benedict
: Knew and tried hard to 'cleanse' the Church of its Spiders, but was often hammered by the Media for being a Nazi and not smiling for their cameras. He was attacked by the Media, much like they attack Trump currently.

Pope Francis
: Knows about the Spiders and is trying to rectify the problem but he is intimidated (being just a Jesuit priest from South America) and isn't strong enough to do much about it.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:49pm:
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
Saw the 4 Corners episode on Pell last night. The bit that  got me is that bloke at the beach side dressing rooms, seeing Pell naked in front of 8-10 year old boys. He tells the kids to move on and then confronts Pell and tells him he knows what he is up to, and to never come back.

How Pell could get off this conviction escapes me.


Is it possible that "the bloke" was lying?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Moreover, what would the charge be: being naked in a dressing room?


No, that bloke's not lying. I'd accept his testimony.

But I'm curious. Is it possible the victim in Pell's conviction is lying? As I understand it, it's his word against Pell's.

How did they get a conviction based on that?
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Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:49pm:
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
Saw the 4 Corners episode on Pell last night. The bit that  got me is that bloke at the beach side dressing rooms, seeing Pell naked in front of 8-10 year old boys. He tells the kids to move on and then confronts Pell and tells him he knows what he is up to, and to never come back.

How Pell could get off this conviction escapes me.


Is it possible that "the bloke" was lying?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Moreover, what would the charge be: being naked in a dressing room?


No, that bloke's not lying. I'd accept his testimony.

But I'm curious. Is it possible the victim in Pell's conviction is lying? As I understand it, it's his word against Pell's.

How did they get a conviction based on that?


Apparently not.

Only women and children who accuse Donald Trump of rape are liars.


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Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:56pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:18pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:57pm:
Whether or not he is guilty of personally sexually abusing children, the bastard ought to go to jail for all those times he "moved priests around" to cover up their abuse cases.  Angry

He was an accessory after the fact in all those cases.



Fair enough.......if he is charged and convicted of any offence arising out of your allegation.

It is not good enough to just toss in as much as you have heard about the Church and abuse, lay it all at the feet of Pell...and then use that scuttlebutt to convict him of an alleged offence the actual proof of which is one man's word against anothers.


Reflecting on that further....how come the Pope (s) are escaping these allegations of involvement?  If Pell knew, then so would the Pope.



The church will never acknowledge the abuse because it will be the end of the church.,.


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Reply #305 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:17pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:10pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:49pm:
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
Saw the 4 Corners episode on Pell last night. The bit that  got me is that bloke at the beach side dressing rooms, seeing Pell naked in front of 8-10 year old boys. He tells the kids to move on and then confronts Pell and tells him he knows what he is up to, and to never come back.

How Pell could get off this conviction escapes me.


Is it possible that "the bloke" was lying?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Moreover, what would the charge be: being naked in a dressing room?


No, that bloke's not lying. I'd accept his testimony.

But I'm curious. Is it possible the victim in Pell's conviction is lying? As I understand it, it's his word against Pell's.

How did they get a conviction based on that?


Apparently not.

Only women and children who accuse Donald Trump of rape are liars.





How many kids are smakin it on him ?





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Reply #306 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:18pm
 
We haven't been given all the facts yet, but his conviction may well be quashed on appeal.

The circumstances of the claim seem rather bizarre - Pell pulls out his dick in a break during mass and orders two boys to suck it - as punishment for being in the priest's chambers.

It's not inconceivable, but it would be good to know what facts they based it on.
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Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:56pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:18pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:57pm:
Whether or not he is guilty of personally sexually abusing children, the bastard ought to go to jail for all those times he "moved priests around" to cover up their abuse cases.  Angry

He was an accessory after the fact in all those cases.



Fair enough.......if he is charged and convicted of any offence arising out of your allegation.

It is not good enough to just toss in as much as you have heard about the Church and abuse, lay it all at the feet of Pell...and then use that scuttlebutt to convict him of an alleged offence the actual proof of which is one man's word against anothers.


Reflecting on that further....how come the Pope (s) are escaping these allegations of involvement?  If Pell knew, then so would the Pope.


Exactly! Let's just accuse the whole Catholic Church.

I think that Pell is just the so-called Fall Guy.

I am not a Catholic, have never been a Catholic.

Another question.  Why did Catholic Priests abuse little boys and not little girls? Or did they abuse little girls too? You only ever hear about little boys being sexually abused by The Church.
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I blame Islam.
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I blame Islam.



Is this an insight into your Karnal knowledge


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Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:18pm:
We haven't been given all the facts yet, but his conviction may well be quashed on appeal.

The circumstances of the claim seem rather bizarre - Pell pulls out his dick in a break during mass and orders two boys to suck it - as punishment for being in the priest's chambers.

It's not inconceivable, but it would be good to know what facts they based it on.


The surviving 'boy's' evidence is being suppressed (stuffed if I know why) but you can glean what he would have said from the allegations put to Pell by the Cops in his Record of Interview.  See here:


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Reply #311 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:28pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:18pm:
We haven't been given all the facts yet, but his conviction may well be quashed on appeal.

The circumstances of the claim seem rather bizarre - Pell pulls out his dick in a break during mass and orders two boys to suck it - as punishment for being in the priest's chambers.

It's not inconceivable, but it would be good to know what facts they based it on.


It actually sounds like some idiot made it up to achieve "celeb" status ... many decades after the event.

I am not defending Pell, at all, but honestly .... somebody will make a lot of cash for The Book, I am sure.
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BigP wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:17pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:10pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:49pm:
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
Saw the 4 Corners episode on Pell last night. The bit that  got me is that bloke at the beach side dressing rooms, seeing Pell naked in front of 8-10 year old boys. He tells the kids to move on and then confronts Pell and tells him he knows what he is up to, and to never come back.

How Pell could get off this conviction escapes me.


Is it possible that "the bloke" was lying?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Moreover, what would the charge be: being naked in a dressing room?


No, that bloke's not lying. I'd accept his testimony.

But I'm curious. Is it possible the victim in Pell's conviction is lying? As I understand it, it's his word against Pell's.

How did they get a conviction based on that?


Apparently not.

Only women and children who accuse Donald Trump of rape are liars.





How many kids are smakin it on him ?

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"smakin"?

How many kids have accused Trump of rape? 

Two.

That is, one child said she was raped and another said she witnessed the attack.

How many women?  I think it's four (not positive, though).

Twenty three women all up have accused him of sexual misconduct.

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Reply #313 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:33pm
 
The TOPIC is:

George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual Abuse

Does anybody see the "T" word anywhere?

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Kate Walker wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:19pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:56pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:18pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:57pm:
Whether or not he is guilty of personally sexually abusing children, the bastard ought to go to jail for all those times he "moved priests around" to cover up their abuse cases.  Angry

He was an accessory after the fact in all those cases.



Fair enough.......if he is charged and convicted of any offence arising out of your allegation.

It is not good enough to just toss in as much as you have heard about the Church and abuse, lay it all at the feet of Pell...and then use that scuttlebutt to convict him of an alleged offence the actual proof of which is one man's word against anothers.


Reflecting on that further....how come the Pope (s) are escaping these allegations of involvement?  If Pell knew, then so would the Pope.


Exactly! Let's just accuse the whole Catholic Church.

I think that Pell is just the so-called Fall Guy.

I am not a Catholic, have never been a Catholic.

Another question.  Why did Catholic Priests abuse little boys and not little girls? Or did they abuse little girls too? You only ever hear about little boys being sexually abused by The Church.


Choirs were mainly made up of boys.

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I blame Islam.


Good Call...
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Reply #316 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:51pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:25pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:18pm:
We haven't been given all the facts yet, but his conviction may well be quashed on appeal.

The circumstances of the claim seem rather bizarre - Pell pulls out his dick in a break during mass and orders two boys to suck it - as punishment for being in the priest's chambers.

It's not inconceivable, but it would be good to know what facts they based it on.


The surviving 'boy's' evidence is being suppressed (stuffed if I know why) but you can glean what he would have said from the allegations put to Pell by the Cops in his Record of Interview.  See here:



Isn't that always the case in child sex abuse cases? we will never know.
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I'd be mightily pissed off too Mr Richter.  Good decision to get out.  Staying in would erode capacity to be forensic without any emotive overtones.

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Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:49pm:
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
Saw the 4 Corners episode on Pell last night. The bit that  got me is that bloke at the beach side dressing rooms, seeing Pell naked in front of 8-10 year old boys. He tells the kids to move on and then confronts Pell and tells him he knows what he is up to, and to never come back.

How Pell could get off this conviction escapes me.


Is it possible that "the bloke" was lying?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Moreover, what would the charge be: being naked in a dressing room?


No, that bloke's not lying. I'd accept his testimony.

But I'm curious. Is it possible the victim in Pell's conviction is lying? As I understand it, it's his word against Pell's.

How did they get a conviction based on that?
Its not a matter of just he said/he said.

There is the circumstances on when he said it first. It was at his friend's funeral and he confessed to his mother about what had happened all those years ago. He knew what destroyed his friend, and he couldn't hold it in any more. That is powerful testimony and he has witnesses (his family) to back it up. Is he a credible witness and does he have a good background? Apparently yes.

There were other chiorboys (who are men now) who gave secondary evidence to back up the story.

If Pell was a credible witness, his team would have put him on the stand. Think about that. Wink


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Kate Walker wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:33pm:
The TOPIC is:

George Pell Has Been Found Guilty Of Child Sexual Abuse

Does anybody see the "T" word anywhere?

Bugger orf Gregg.


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Reply #320 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 5:11pm
 
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Kate Walker wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:19pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:56pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:18pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:57pm:
Whether or not he is guilty of personally sexually abusing children, the bastard ought to go to jail for all those times he "moved priests around" to cover up their abuse cases.  Angry

He was an accessory after the fact in all those cases.



Fair enough.......if he is charged and convicted of any offence arising out of your allegation.

It is not good enough to just toss in as much as you have heard about the Church and abuse, lay it all at the feet of Pell...and then use that scuttlebutt to convict him of an alleged offence the actual proof of which is one man's word against anothers.


Reflecting on that further....how come the Pope (s) are escaping these allegations of involvement?  If Pell knew, then so would the Pope.


Exactly! Let's just accuse the whole Catholic Church.

I think that Pell is just the so-called Fall Guy.

I am not a Catholic, have never been a Catholic.

Another question.  Why did Catholic Priests abuse little boys and not little girls? Or did they abuse little girls too? You only ever hear about little boys being sexually abused by The Church.


Choirs were mainly made up of boys.


Right.

So sexual abuse of young boys is one thing.  Sexual abuse of young girls is something else and the Catholic Priests preferred boys?


Why?
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Reply #321 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 5:15pm
 
Kate Walker wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 5:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
Kate Walker wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:19pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:56pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:18pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:57pm:
Whether or not he is guilty of personally sexually abusing children, the bastard ought to go to jail for all those times he "moved priests around" to cover up their abuse cases.  Angry

He was an accessory after the fact in all those cases.



Fair enough.......if he is charged and convicted of any offence arising out of your allegation.

It is not good enough to just toss in as much as you have heard about the Church and abuse, lay it all at the feet of Pell...and then use that scuttlebutt to convict him of an alleged offence the actual proof of which is one man's word against anothers.


Reflecting on that further....how come the Pope (s) are escaping these allegations of involvement?  If Pell knew, then so would the Pope.


Exactly! Let's just accuse the whole Catholic Church.

I think that Pell is just the so-called Fall Guy.

I am not a Catholic, have never been a Catholic.

Another question.  Why did Catholic Priests abuse little boys and not little girls? Or did they abuse little girls too? You only ever hear about little boys being sexually abused by The Church.


Choirs were mainly made up of boys.


Right.

So sexual abuse of young boys is one thing.  Sexual abuse of young girls is something else and the Catholic Priests preferred boys?


Why?


https://illuminatiwatcher.com/aleister-crowley-the-illuminati-magick-trance-on-t...

the priests that rape boys are all freemasons

they prefer the boys as per aleister-crowley teachings
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Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
Saw the 4 Corners episode on Pell last night. The bit that  got me is that bloke at the beach side dressing rooms, seeing Pell naked in front of 8-10 year old boys. He tells the kids to move on and then confronts Pell and tells him he knows what he is up to, and to never come back.

How Pell could get off this conviction escapes me.


Is it possible that "the bloke" was lying?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Moreover, what would the charge be: being naked in a dressing room?


He was very direct and clear on his account. He named Pell. Very forthright. He was believable. I'm struggling to think of why he wasn't believable.

Pell couldn't be charged with what he did on this occasion. The bloke said "I know what you are up to. Go away and don't come back here again."
That is clear enough. I would have done the same.

He never claimed he saw Pell directly abuse the boys. I'm assuming you aren't thick.
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Reply #325 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 5:26pm
 
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 5:06pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:49pm:
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
Saw the 4 Corners episode on Pell last night. The bit that  got me is that bloke at the beach side dressing rooms, seeing Pell naked in front of 8-10 year old boys. He tells the kids to move on and then confronts Pell and tells him he knows what he is up to, and to never come back.

How Pell could get off this conviction escapes me.


Is it possible that "the bloke" was lying?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Moreover, what would the charge be: being naked in a dressing room?


No, that bloke's not lying. I'd accept his testimony.

But I'm curious. Is it possible the victim in Pell's conviction is lying? As I understand it, it's his word against Pell's.

How did they get a conviction based on that?
Its not a matter of just he said/he said.

There is the circumstances on when he said it first. It was at his friend's funeral and he confessed to his mother about what had happened all those years ago. He knew what destroyed his friend, and he couldn't hold it in any more. That is powerful testimony and he has witnesses (his family) to back it up. Is he a credible witness and does he have a good background? Apparently yes.

There were other chiorboys (who are men now) who gave secondary evidence to back up the story.

If Pell was a credible witness, his team would have put him on the stand. Think about that. Wink




This is where you post the evidence of your claim.

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Its not a matter of just he said/he said.


Yes it is.  No doubt about that.  There was NO corroboration of the evidence of the sole surviving complainant.  Not one skerrick.

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There is the circumstances on when he said it first. It was at his friend's funeral and he confessed to his mother about what had happened all those years ago. He knew what destroyed his friend, and he couldn't hold it in any more. That is powerful testimony and he has witnesses (his family) to back it up. Is he a credible witness and does he have a good background? Apparently yes.


I have never read anywhere about that stuff at his mate's funeral.  Link please, and then I'll comment.

He was not of good character at all.  The two of them conspired to:

1.  Break off from a formal ceremonial march in a Cathedral.
2.  Having done so, enter areas they were not entitled to be in, sneakily.
3.  Snooped around.
4.  Located the booze.
5.  Stole it.
6.  Swigged into it.

Angels they be?

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There were other chiorboys (who are men now) who gave secondary evidence to back up the story.


Before I reply to that, please clarify what you mean.  It is confusing.

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If Pell was a credible witness, his team would have put him on the stand. Think about that. Wink


1.  The accused has an absolute right not to give evidence.
2.  NO inference (except in the most exceptional circumstances) adverse to the accused is allowed.  The reason is obvious....he is doing what the Law gives him the absolute right to do.
3. There was zero need that he give evidence.  His denials were clear and seen in the Record of Interview.
4.  Other Witnesses were called to say first hand what their job was around the Ceremonial Process stuff in Cathedrals.  People did a job every Mass and what they all said made the sole complainant's evidence implausible.
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Reply #327 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 5:27pm
 
Kate Walker wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 5:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
Kate Walker wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:19pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:56pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 2:18pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:57pm:
Whether or not he is guilty of personally sexually abusing children, the bastard ought to go to jail for all those times he "moved priests around" to cover up their abuse cases.  Angry

He was an accessory after the fact in all those cases.



Fair enough.......if he is charged and convicted of any offence arising out of your allegation.

It is not good enough to just toss in as much as you have heard about the Church and abuse, lay it all at the feet of Pell...and then use that scuttlebutt to convict him of an alleged offence the actual proof of which is one man's word against anothers.


Reflecting on that further....how come the Pope (s) are escaping these allegations of involvement?  If Pell knew, then so would the Pope.


Exactly! Let's just accuse the whole Catholic Church.

I think that Pell is just the so-called Fall Guy.

I am not a Catholic, have never been a Catholic.

Another question.  Why did Catholic Priests abuse little boys and not little girls? Or did they abuse little girls too? You only ever hear about little boys being sexually abused by The Church.


Choirs were mainly made up of boys.


Right.

So sexual abuse of young boys is one thing.  Sexual abuse of young girls is something else and the Catholic Priests preferred boys?


Why?


Because they were available.

Choirs girls weren't seen much back in the day.

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Reply #328 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 5:32pm
 
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 5:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:49pm:
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
Saw the 4 Corners episode on Pell last night. The bit that  got me is that bloke at the beach side dressing rooms, seeing Pell naked in front of 8-10 year old boys. He tells the kids to move on and then confronts Pell and tells him he knows what he is up to, and to never come back.

How Pell could get off this conviction escapes me.


Is it possible that "the bloke" was lying?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Moreover, what would the charge be: being naked in a dressing room?


He was very direct and clear on his account. He named Pell. Very forthright. He was believable. I'm struggling to think of why he wasn't believable.

Pell couldn't be charged with what he did on this occasion. The bloke said "I know what you are up to. Go away and don't come back here again."
That is clear enough. I would have done the same.

He never claimed he saw Pell directly abuse the boys. I'm assuming you aren't thick.


You didn't answer my questions.

Is it possible that "the bloke" was lying?

What would the charge be?


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Reply #329 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 6:44pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 5:32pm:
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 5:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:49pm:
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
Saw the 4 Corners episode on Pell last night. The bit that  got me is that bloke at the beach side dressing rooms, seeing Pell naked in front of 8-10 year old boys. He tells the kids to move on and then confronts Pell and tells him he knows what he is up to, and to never come back.

How Pell could get off this conviction escapes me.


Is it possible that "the bloke" was lying?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

Moreover, what would the charge be: being naked in a dressing room?


He was very direct and clear on his account. He named Pell. Very forthright. He was believable. I'm struggling to think of why he wasn't believable.

Pell couldn't be charged with what he did on this occasion. The bloke said "I know what you are up to. Go away and don't come back here again."
That is clear enough. I would have done the same.

He never claimed he saw Pell directly abuse the boys. I'm assuming you aren't thick.


You didn't answer my questions.

Is it possible that "the bloke" was lying?

What would the charge be?




Im with you here Pec, I have real concerns regarding a miscarriage of justice





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Can anyone tell me how any bloke dressed like this can 'pull his robes aside?'



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Some more.  YouTube has gone very coy on matters Pell.  Live moving images of a procession after a Mass in a Cathedral where Pell officiated seem not accessible.

How do you pull these robes "aside?"

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Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:12pm:
Can anyone tell me how any bloke dressed like this can 'pull his robes aside?'





It appears that there's nothing to pull apart, or aside - there's no opening.

Could the accuser be mistaken?
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Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:20pm:
Some more.  YouTube has gone very coy on matters Pell.  Live moving images of a procession after a Mass in a Cathedral where Pell officiated seem not accessible.

How do you pull these robes "aside?"




How does he take a piss?
There must be some way to move his robes aside.
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Reply #338 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:58pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:20pm:
Some more.  YouTube has gone very coy on matters Pell.  Live moving images of a procession after a Mass in a Cathedral where Pell officiated seem not accessible.

How do you pull these robes "aside?"



These robes look more access friendly?

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Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:25pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 3:18pm:
We haven't been given all the facts yet, but his conviction may well be quashed on appeal.

The circumstances of the claim seem rather bizarre - Pell pulls out his dick in a break during mass and orders two boys to suck it - as punishment for being in the priest's chambers.

It's not inconceivable, but it would be good to know what facts they based it on.


The surviving 'boy's' evidence is being suppressed (stuffed if I know why) but you can glean what he would have said from the allegations put to Pell by the Cops in his Record of Interview.  See here:




That's useful, Aussie. As I understand it, the investigators found that Pell was not out the front of the cathedral on the date this occurred. Painstaking interviews and recollections by witnesses going back years.

Still, all this proves, as far as I can see, that Pell had an opportunity. It still comes down to the testimony of one person. No witnesses, no DNA, just a statement.

I imagine Pell's barrister must have been the best, so how could one person's word persuade a jury to unanimously find Pell guilty?
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Bobby. wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:20pm:
Some more.  YouTube has gone very coy on matters Pell.  Live moving images of a procession after a Mass in a Cathedral where Pell officiated seem not accessible.

How do you pull these robes "aside?"




How does he take a piss?
There must be some way to move his robes aside.


Lift it up, like a lady's dress?

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Reply #346 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 8:16pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 8:02pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:20pm:
Some more.  YouTube has gone very coy on matters Pell.  Live moving images of a procession after a Mass in a Cathedral where Pell officiated seem not accessible.

How do you pull these robes "aside?"




How does he take a piss?
There must be some way to move his robes aside.


Lift it up, like a lady's dress?




Yes, but that is NOT what the complainant alleged.  His allegation was that Pell pulled his robes aside.  That is rubbish.  Pell was wearing a full external Robe..an alb, and (I dunno) maybe another layer before anyone could get to the pants, underpants to the Old Boy.

You cannot pull these 'aside.'

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Reply #347 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 8:19pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 8:16pm:
Yes, but that is NOT what the complainant alleged.  His allegation was that Pell pulled his robes aside.  That is rubbish.  Pell was wearing a full external Robe..an alb, and (I dunno) maybe another layer before anyone could get to the pants, underpants to the Old Boy.

You cannot pull these 'aside.'


Indeed.

So many things just don't add up in this case.

Will we ever learn the truth?

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Reply #349 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 9:01pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:59pm:
I imagine Pell's barrister must have been the best, so how could one person's word persuade a jury to unanimously find Pell guilty?
Keep in mind Pell didn't testify. So it was the young man's word against....nobody, really.

Why didn't Pell take the stand? Yeah, right.

They believed him beyond reasonable doubt. And it wasn't just his testimony. Important would be testimony of others regarding what he confessed to what happened at the other boy's funeral.

I know we are bought up on fingerprints, DNA, and a hair in the boot of the car stuff, but witness testimony is very powerful evidence.
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It's time that the Catholic church is closed down in Australia.
It's a criminal organisation.
I feel sorry for the many wonderful people -
the believers in it - that have been deceived.
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Reply #352 - Mar 5th, 2019 at 10:27pm
 
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 9:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:59pm:
I imagine Pell's barrister must have been the best, so how could one person's word persuade a jury to unanimously find Pell guilty?
Keep in mind Pell didn't testify. So it was the young man's word against....nobody, really.

Why didn't Pell take the stand? Yeah, right.

They believed him beyond reasonable doubt. And it wasn't just his testimony. Important would be testimony of others regarding what he confessed to what happened at the other boy's funeral.

I know we are bought up on fingerprints, DNA, and a hair in the boot of the car stuff, but witness testimony is very powerful evidence.




a very good question..


I have never thought of this before..

but if as Pell claims  none of this is true..

how can you defend it?   what can he possibly say..

he has already pleaded not guilty he has made a statement denying everything to the police...

what else can he say...every question would be answered NO...

there are many unanswered questions    but I dont think they are for Pell.



witness testimony is over 20 years old in this instance.....I wonder what else they can recall happened in that years... Roll Eyes.. what hymns did the choir sing...... well its just a thought.
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Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 9:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:59pm:
I imagine Pell's barrister must have been the best, so how could one person's word persuade a jury to unanimously find Pell guilty?
Keep in mind Pell didn't testify. So it was the young man's word against....nobody, really.

Why didn't Pell take the stand? Yeah, right.

They believed him beyond reasonable doubt. And it wasn't just his testimony. Important would be testimony of others regarding what he confessed to what happened at the other boy's funeral.

I know we are bought up on fingerprints, DNA, and a hair in the boot of the car stuff, but witness testimony is very powerful evidence.


Sure, but witness testimony is all they have in the trial of the decade. This is the most senior Catholic ever to be convicted - of anything (apart from treason).

If we have these questions, what about the jury?
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Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:57am:
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 9:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:59pm:
I imagine Pell's barrister must have been the best, so how could one person's word persuade a jury to unanimously find Pell guilty?
Keep in mind Pell didn't testify. So it was the young man's word against....nobody, really.

Why didn't Pell take the stand? Yeah, right.

They believed him beyond reasonable doubt. And it wasn't just his testimony. Important would be testimony of others regarding what he confessed to what happened at the other boy's funeral.

I know we are bought up on fingerprints, DNA, and a hair in the boot of the car stuff, but witness testimony is very powerful evidence.


Sure, but witness testimony is all they have in the trial of the decade. This is the most senior Catholic ever to be convicted - of anything (apart from treason).

If we have these questions, what about the jury?


What do you mean "witness testimony is all they have"?

A witness who testifies he saw Pell committing a crime and was also a victim himself, is direct evidence. Direct evidence “directly” shows the defendant's guilt.

It's up to the jury to weigh the credibility of the witness. If they find his first hand evidence credible, it would be hard not to say Pell was guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Obviously they found him a credible witness. Now, thinking about that, if you were on the jury and you found him to be a credible witness, and therefore you would believe his first hand account - would you find Pell guilty?
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Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 8:16pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 8:02pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:57pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:20pm:
Some more.  YouTube has gone very coy on matters Pell.  Live moving images of a procession after a Mass in a Cathedral where Pell officiated seem not accessible.

How do you pull these robes "aside?"




How does he take a piss?
There must be some way to move his robes aside.


Lift it up, like a lady's dress?




Yes, but that is NOT what the complainant alleged.  His allegation was that Pell pulled his robes aside.  That is rubbish.  Pell was wearing a full external Robe..an alb, and (I dunno) maybe another layer before anyone could get to the pants, underpants to the Old Boy.

You cannot pull these 'aside.'

Link.



The jury was allowed to inspect the robes and visit the site. I'm confident they think it could be done. Another argument from incredulity.
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The jury was allowed to inspect the robes and visit the site.
I'm confident they think it could be done.
Another argument from incredulity.



That's the first time I heard that.
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Re the 4 Corners doco on Pell. I found some of it a bit clipped. There was a choirboy who was older than the two boys, but he remembered them. He was adamant Pell was guilty - but we aren't told why.

Also, Pell's defence talks of the boys claims. Like it was both both boys. I think there is secondary evidence relating to a confession by the dead boy. He may have told another student eventually, and that person was a witness. It sounds like inadmissable heresay, but there are exceptions to that.


The cardinal's defence used this alleged discrepancy to argue that the boys made up the story using the Catholic tradition of red wine.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6745617/The-ten-pieces-evidence-George-Pell-used-defence.html

There were also other victims on the doco saying they were victims of Pell, but looked like the whole story on them was not told.
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Reply #358 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:29am
 
cods wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 10:27pm:
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 9:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:59pm:
I imagine Pell's barrister must have been the best, so how could one person's word persuade a jury to unanimously find Pell guilty?
Keep in mind Pell didn't testify. So it was the young man's word against....nobody, really.

Why didn't Pell take the stand? Yeah, right.

They believed him beyond reasonable doubt. And it wasn't just his testimony. Important would be testimony of others regarding what he confessed to what happened at the other boy's funeral.

I know we are bought up on fingerprints, DNA, and a hair in the boot of the car stuff, but witness testimony is very powerful evidence.




a very good question..


I have never thought of this before..

but if as Pell claims  none of this is true..

how can you defend it?   what can he possibly say..

he has already pleaded not guilty he has made a statement denying everything to the police...

what else can he say...every question would be answered NO...

there are many unanswered questions    but I dont think they are for Pell.



witness testimony is over 20 years old in this instance.....I wonder what else they can recall happened in that years... Roll Eyes.. what hymns did the choir sing...... well its just a thought.


The court did not hear a denial from Pell's lips. Of course if they did, they would have heard the cross examination too.
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Reply #359 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:30am
 
Brendon wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:03am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:57am:
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 9:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:59pm:
I imagine Pell's barrister must have been the best, so how could one person's word persuade a jury to unanimously find Pell guilty?
Keep in mind Pell didn't testify. So it was the young man's word against....nobody, really.

Why didn't Pell take the stand? Yeah, right.

They believed him beyond reasonable doubt. And it wasn't just his testimony. Important would be testimony of others regarding what he confessed to what happened at the other boy's funeral.

I know we are bought up on fingerprints, DNA, and a hair in the boot of the car stuff, but witness testimony is very powerful evidence.


Sure, but witness testimony is all they have in the trial of the decade. This is the most senior Catholic ever to be convicted - of anything (apart from treason).

If we have these questions, what about the jury?


What do you mean "witness testimony is all they have"?

A witness who testifies he saw Pell committing a crime and was also a victim himself, is direct evidence. Direct evidence “directly” shows the defendant's guilt.



No. It doesn't show guilt.

It's just one person's word against another.

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Reply #360 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:31am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:30am:
Brendon wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:03am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:57am:
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 9:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:59pm:
I imagine Pell's barrister must have been the best, so how could one person's word persuade a jury to unanimously find Pell guilty?
Keep in mind Pell didn't testify. So it was the young man's word against....nobody, really.

Why didn't Pell take the stand? Yeah, right.

They believed him beyond reasonable doubt. And it wasn't just his testimony. Important would be testimony of others regarding what he confessed to what happened at the other boy's funeral.

I know we are bought up on fingerprints, DNA, and a hair in the boot of the car stuff, but witness testimony is very powerful evidence.


Sure, but witness testimony is all they have in the trial of the decade. This is the most senior Catholic ever to be convicted - of anything (apart from treason).

If we have these questions, what about the jury?


What do you mean "witness testimony is all they have"?

A witness who testifies he saw Pell committing a crime and was also a victim himself, is direct evidence. Direct evidence “directly” shows the defendant's guilt.



No. It just show guilt.

It's just one person's word against another.

Pell didn't take the stand. So that's not right.
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Bobby. wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:20am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:18am:
The jury was allowed to inspect the robes and visit the site.
I'm confident they think it could be done.
Another argument from incredulity.



That's the first time I heard that.


"The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, nor did the prosecution show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged."



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If the court of appeal finds Pell guilty there will still be people finding it incredulous...regardless he is certainly guilty of being a non progressive neo liberal climate change denying bum....only the neo liberal RW support Pell, that being Abbott , Howard and Bolt et al.
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[quote author=wolftoke link=1551141652/362#362 date=1551818427]If the court of appeal finds Pell guilty there will still be people finding it incredulous...regardless he is certainly guilty of being a non progressive neo liberal climate change denying bum....only the neo liberal RW support Pell, that being Abbott , Howard and Bolt et al.




there isnt much more that can be done to damage this man.....he will always pay the HIGHEST PRICE FOR THE SINS OF THE CHURCH...

he has lost everything....nothing he says will ever change YOUR mind.....

and he is well aware of that...

some wont be happy until they have hunted him into his grave..

along with all those who supported his innocence


it is just a fact of life.... Sad Sad 
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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:36am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:20am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:18am:
The jury was allowed to inspect the robes and visit the site.
I'm confident they think it could be done.
Another argument from incredulity.



That's the first time I heard that.


"The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, nor did the prosecution show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged."




so where is bojack getting his information from???


to tell us something like that! that would have had to have been acted out in the court room......

he must have got it from a source he relies on.. Angry Angry


come on bojack enlighten us..
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All i know, amidst all this awfulness, is that i don't know

But there is one thing i do know . the blood lust for this man makes me ashamed to be human. Even from within inner circles of mine.

I'm horrified at how quickly and readily people hate.

What's more, i simply don;t understand it. It's a complete syntax error for me.

I see it over and over again on this forum ... different targets but the same blood lust. The same hatred.

I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would resort to that way of thinking.

it's abhorrent, destructive and harmful, sure ...  but more to the point, it's so utterly useless.

Absolutely pointless.



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Reply #370 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:29am
 
cods wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:24am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:36am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:20am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:18am:
The jury was allowed to inspect the robes and visit the site.
I'm confident they think it could be done.
Another argument from incredulity.



That's the first time I heard that.


"The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, nor did the prosecution show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged."




so where is bojack getting his information from???


to tell us something like that! that would have had to have been acted out in the court room......

he must have got it from a source he relies on.. Angry Angry


come on bojack enlighten us..


That article I linked to says that the robes were shown to the jury.

However, the important points are:

- The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, and

- The prosecution did not show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged.
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Reply #371 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:33am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:29am:
That article I linked to says that the robes were shown to the jury.

However, the important points are:

- The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, and

- The prosecution did not show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged



sorry didnt read the link will do so now...
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Reply #372 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:38am
 
cods wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:33am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:29am:
That article I linked to says that the robes were shown to the jury.

However, the important points are:

- The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, and

- The prosecution did not show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged



sorry didnt read the link will do so now...


It's near the end, and it makes the conviction even more baffling.

"Psychologist and former priest Terry Laidler sat through almost all the trial and told ABC's Law Report a set of robes was produced and sent to the jury room during the trial."

'The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, nor did the prosecution show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged.'


So, they actually saw a set of robes yet couldn't prove that they could be parted.

So much doesn't add up.
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I don't know how useful it is to get caught up on vestments being pulled aside or not. You're talking about the rememberings of a child from many years ago.

Lifted up then pulled aside maybe?

I know i have watched many a priest pull on their vestments. They're all fully dressed underneath and the underlying white vestment is a coverall frock.

I'm just saying, strict recollection is not a reliable testimony in decades old cases. Pulled aside could mean a whole bunch of things.
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Reply #374 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 8:18am
 
mothra wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:28am:
All i know, amidst all this awfulness, is that i don't know

But there is one thing i do know . the blood lust for this man makes me ashamed to be human. Even from within inner circles of mine.

I'm horrified at how quickly and readily people hate.

What's more, i simply don;t understand it. It's a complete syntax error for me.

I see it over and over again on this forum ... different targets but the same blood lust. The same hatred.

I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would resort to that way of thinking.

it's abhorrent, destructive and harmful, sure ...  but more to the point, it's so utterly useless.

Absolutely pointless.






low vibration energy.

humans are driven by high vibration (getting a pay off for a risk and being succesful).
an example would be taking down a mammoth and feeling awesome praise from the tribe.


but we are ALWAYS more driven by low vibration ( being anxious and scared of the tiger and feeling fear and anxiety).

because there is ALWAYS another mammoth, so success can be delayed.
but one attack from the tiger and its done.

so people are more motivated by their negative neurology then their positive neurology.

they "vibe" with that.

negative neurology is about fear, hate, anger, shame, gossip, anxiety, apathy, petty BS, victimhood,

thats where most people live.

when they were a kid they had a dream ( a positive motivation ) but the cultural hypnosis put them into fear and anger and inertia.
consequently their dream got shattered and now all they can do is try to "cope"
just try to "cope" with this harsh world.

most people live in this coping mentality.

when i walk down the street, most people look like they have had their faces ground into the dirt. they look "miserable".

there is a better way.

you can get bitter or you can get better.

but most people are stuck in coping and bitterness and this is encouraged by a system which has to pander to the masses.

which plays out better as a message from a politician.

1  youve had it tough but being a victim is not helping you and you need to pull yourself up by the bootstraps

2  you are a victim and we are going to have a royal commision into this negative horrible stuff, so the mainstream media can feed you more negative horrible stuff because negative horrible stuff is what you have addicted yourself to.

which message makes the masses uncomfortable and which message plays into the mainstream narrative.

and the more the mainstream pander to the masses, the lower the masses go.

coping
alcohol and drugs
porn
victimhood
gossip
self pity
drama
shame
depression
apathy.

its a rare person that can "get out"  Wink
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Isn't it shocking that child victims of sexual abuse take an average of 27 years to reach the point where they tell someone about it?

All those years of internal shame and misery.  Sad

The perpetrators are disgusting scum.  Angry
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Just as an aside, many apologies for invoking Horse Boy.

Like, seriously sorry.
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mothra wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 8:33am:
Just as an aside, many apologies for invoking Horse Boy.

Like, seriously sorry.


Yeah.

Not good.


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Reply #378 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 8:56am
 
Brendon wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:27am:
Re the 4 Corners doco on Pell. I found some of it a bit clipped. There was a choirboy who was older than the two boys, but he remembered them. He was adamant Pell was guilty - but we aren't told why.

Also, Pell's defence talks of the boys claims. Like it was both both boys. I think there is secondary evidence relating to a confession by the dead boy. He may have told another student eventually, and that person was a witness. It sounds like inadmissable heresay, but there are exceptions to that.


The cardinal's defence used this alleged discrepancy to argue that the boys made up the story using the Catholic tradition of red wine.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6745617/The-ten-pieces-evidence-George-Pell-used-defence.html

There were also other victims on the doco saying they were victims of Pell, but looked like the whole story on them was not told.




Which is why I don't thin the whole red wine vs white wine debate matters. They were 13, they shouldnt know the differnece
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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 8:56am:
mothra wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 8:33am:
Just as an aside, many apologies for invoking Horse Boy.

Like, seriously sorry.


Yeah.

Not good.


https://www.thoughtco.com/thmb/yTyhaU6jBFNWPR_BznXpM_IyY24=/768x0/filters:no_ups...




It's just that he sneaks up on you.

That said, i should have known better. I got deep, he was online.

My bad.
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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:38am:
cods wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:33am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:29am:
That article I linked to says that the robes were shown to the jury.

However, the important points are:

- The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, and

- The prosecution did not show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged



sorry didnt read the link will do so now...


It's near the end, and it makes the conviction even more baffling.

"Psychologist and former priest Terry Laidler sat through almost all the trial and told ABC's Law Report a set of robes was produced and sent to the jury room during the trial."

'The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, nor did the prosecution show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged.'


So, they actually saw a set of robes yet couldn't prove that they could be parted.

So much doesn't add up.




what also strikes me..

is they talk about "boys" and what they have said.....

even the one that has now departed   is quoted as claiming he was abused....and then later denied....

why wasnt this dealt with all those years ago?....

there appears to be a lot regarding what was said a long time ago ...where were the boys parents on this one?   I havent read any comments they have alleged to have said......yet I am sure two 13 yr old boys would not have spoken up about this happening to them without an adult present...

who where the people they spoke too in the first instance?


the more I look, the more questions I have..

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Reply #381 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 9:15am
 
cods wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 9:12am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:38am:
cods wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:33am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:29am:
That article I linked to says that the robes were shown to the jury.

However, the important points are:

- The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, and

- The prosecution did not show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged



sorry didnt read the link will do so now...


It's near the end, and it makes the conviction even more baffling.

"Psychologist and former priest Terry Laidler sat through almost all the trial and told ABC's Law Report a set of robes was produced and sent to the jury room during the trial."

'The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, nor did the prosecution show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged.'


So, they actually saw a set of robes yet couldn't prove that they could be parted.

So much doesn't add up.




what also strikes me..

is they talk about "boys" and what they have said.....

even the one that has now departed   is quoted as claiming he was abused....and then later denied....

why wasnt this dealt with all those years ago?....

there appears to be a lot regarding what was said a long time ago ...where were the boys parents on this one?   I havent read any comments they have alleged to have said......yet I am sure two 13 yr old boys would not have spoken up about this happening to them without an adult present...

who where the people they spoke too in the first instance?


the more I look, the more questions I have..



It was claimed as a fact that it takes 27 years on average for most victims to get to the point of disclosing what happened to them.

Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 8:23am:
Isn't it shocking that child victims of sexual abuse take an average of 27 years to reach the point where they tell someone about it?

All those years of internal shame and misery.  Sad

The perpetrators are disgusting scum.  Angry

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cods wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 7:33am:
[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1551141652/370#370 date=1551821385]
That article I linked to says that the robes were shown to the jury.

However, the important points are:

- The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, and

- The prosecution did not show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged



sorry didnt read the link will do so now...


It's near the end, and it makes the conviction even more baffling.

"Psychologist and former priest Terry Laidler sat through almost all the trial and told ABC's Law Report a set of robes was produced and sent to the jury room during the trial."

'The police never inspected the vestments during their investigations, nor did the prosecution show that the vestments could be parted or moved to the side as the complainant had alleged.'


So, they actually saw a set of robes yet couldn't prove that they could be parted.

So much doesn't add up.[/quote]


the more you dig the more confusing it gets....

I do hope he gets a second chance I am not convinced he had the best legal for his case....

my heart goes out to the person who was abused   to all of them...it breaks my heart when I think of the childhood they never had....

but not all Catholic priest were paedophiles and I think this is where its all got blown out of the water...Pell is guilty for being a Catholic....and condemned now....

look at the blood lust on ozpol just for starters.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

nothing will change their minds on this....I am prepared to say... some things just dont add up...therefore there is reasonable doubt...imo.
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Reply #383 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 9:37am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 9:15am:
It was claimed as a fact that it takes 27 years on average for most victims to get to the point of disclosing what happened to them.




nemo   I am talking about what was said in the past....not what is recalled today....

this was talked about...some time ago to someone....

Quote:
Also, Pell's defence talks of the boys claims. Like it was both both boys. I think there is secondary evidence relating to a confession by the dead boy. He may have told another student eventually, and that person was a witness. It sounds like inadmissable heresay, but there are exceptions to that.







his mum also claimed he told her he wasnt abused...??



questions questions...too many of them in my case. Sad
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Reply #384 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 9:43am
 
cods wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 9:37am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 9:15am:
It was claimed as a fact that it takes 27 years on average for most victims to get to the point of disclosing what happened to them.




nemo   I am talking about what was said in the past....not what is recalled today....

this was talked about...some time ago to someone....

Quote:
Also, Pell's defence talks of the boys claims. Like it was both both boys. I think there is secondary evidence relating to a confession by the dead boy. He may have told another student eventually, and that person was a witness. It sounds like inadmissable heresay, but there are exceptions to that.







his mum also claimed he told her he wasnt abused...??



questions questions...too many of them in my case. Sad


WAY too many.

Such as: why would a guilty man return to Australia to face the charges, when there was no legal obligation for him to do so?

I can't think of a reasonable answer to that question.

How about: why would an innocent man return to Australia to face the charges, when there was no legal obligation for him to do so?

Possible answer: to clear his name.
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Reply #385 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 9:57am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 9:43am:
questions questions...too many of them in my case.


WAY too many.

Such as: why would a guilty man return to Australia to face the charges, when there was no legal obligation for him to do so?

I can't think of a reasonable answer to that question.

How about: why would an innocent man return to Australia to face the charges, when there was no legal obligation for him to do so?

Possible answer: to clear his name.




not sure he had the best defence...

if we are seeing huge problems surely the legals will as well...
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Reply #386 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 10:05am
 
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Just as an aside, many apologies for invoking Horse Boy.

Like, seriously sorry.



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Reply #387 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 10:06am
 
cods wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 9:57am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 9:43am:
questions questions...too many of them in my case.


WAY too many.

Such as: why would a guilty man return to Australia to face the charges, when there was no legal obligation for him to do so?

I can't think of a reasonable answer to that question.

How about: why would an innocent man return to Australia to face the charges, when there was no legal obligation for him to do so?

Possible answer: to clear his name.




not sure he had the best defence...

if we are seeing huge problems surely the legals will as well...


One possibility is complacency (a complacent person is very pleased with themselves or feels that they do not need to do anything about a situation, even though the situation may be uncertain or dangerous).

Hypothetical:

Why did he return to Australia?

Because he knew damn well he was innocent, and there was no way he could be wrongfully convicted based on the testimony of just one person.

Thus, he didn't put too much effort into organising his legal team.

Everyone would see that the charges were ridiculous, and therefore he wouldn't need the best lawyers in town to sort out this silly mess.
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I'm not saying that's how it went down, but it's a possibility.

A mixture of complacency and naivety, perhaps.
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Reply #388 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 10:37am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 10:06am:
One possibility is complacency (a complacent person is very pleased with themselves or feels that they do not need to do anything about a situation, even though the situation may be uncertain or dangerous).

Hypothetical:

Why did he return to Australia?

Because he knew damn well he was innocent, and there was no way he could be wrongfully convicted based on the testimony of just one person.

Thus, he didn't put too much effort into organising his legal team.

Everyone would see that the charges were ridiculous, and therefore he wouldn't need the best lawyers in town to sort out this silly mess.
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I'm not saying that's how it went down, but it's a possibility.

A mixture of complacency and naivety, perhap




yes everything was/is paid for by donations...not sure whos in charge of the spending....maybe thats why he didnt want bail...innocent or guilty   hes ruined   and if he is innocent   what sort of life will he have left....every move he makes will be watched and probably villifide....

if he is proved innocent what then for the MAN  who has brought all this about... Sad Sad Sad
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Reply #389 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 10:44am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 8:56am:
mothra wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 8:33am:
Just as an aside, many apologies for invoking Horse Boy.

Like, seriously sorry.


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Reply #390 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 11:06am
 
cods wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 9:37am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 9:15am:
It was claimed as a fact that it takes 27 years on average for most victims to get to the point of disclosing what happened to them.




nemo   I am talking about what was said in the past....not what is recalled today....

this was talked about...some time ago to someone....

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Also, Pell's defence talks of the boys claims. Like it was both both boys. I think there is secondary evidence relating to a confession by the dead boy. He may have told another student eventually, and that person was a witness. It sounds like inadmissable heresay, but there are exceptions to that.







his mum also claimed he told her he wasnt abused...??



questions questions...too many of them in my case. Sad


Does anyone actually think the jury didnt think of and examine those questions.


Yes there are questions, the jury looked at them. They still found him guilty.
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Reply #391 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 11:09am
 
Why did he return to Oz?  Because the Pope ordered him to.

One thing the Pope got right.  Cool
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Reply #392 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 11:12am
 

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In a set of 271 cases from four areas, juries gave wrong verdicts in at least one out of eight cases, according to “Estimating the Accuracy of Jury Verdicts,” a paper by a Northwestern University statistician that is being published in the July issue of Journal of Empirical Legal Studies.

NEW STUDY SHOWS HOW OFTEN JURIES GET IT WRONG
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Reply #393 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 11:13am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 11:09am:
Why did he return to Oz?  Because the Pope ordered him to.

One thing the Pope got right.  Cool


What would have happened to him if he said no to the Pope?

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Reply #394 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 11:51am
 
cods wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 10:37am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 10:06am:
One possibility is complacency (a complacent person is very pleased with themselves or feels that they do not need to do anything about a situation, even though the situation may be uncertain or dangerous).

Hypothetical:

Why did he return to Australia?

Because he knew damn well he was innocent, and there was no way he could be wrongfully convicted based on the testimony of just one person.

Thus, he didn't put too much effort into organising his legal team.

Everyone would see that the charges were ridiculous, and therefore he wouldn't need the best lawyers in town to sort out this silly mess.
_____________________________________

I'm not saying that's how it went down, but it's a possibility.

A mixture of complacency and naivety, perhap




yes everything was/is paid for by donations...not sure whos in charge of the spending....maybe thats why he didnt want bail...innocent or guilty   hes ruined   and if he is innocent   what sort of life will he have left....every move he makes will be watched and probably villifide....

if he is proved innocent what then for the MAN  who has brought all this about... Sad Sad Sad


The presumption should be innocence. Should be.

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Reply #395 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:33pm
 
Clearly, there is no "god" operating here.

These men are not your average schmo Christians, they are the crème de la crème, the elite, the chosen "intermediaries" between god and man.

Clearly, the influence of a kindly god is totally absent. Clearly, the concept of a loving god is bullshit.



Oh, and for the "Bible barrackers" out there ... I'm pretty damn sure that John 13:35 does NOT refer to erotic love!    Angry *


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Reply #396 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:36pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 11:13am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 11:09am:
Why did he return to Oz?  Because the Pope ordered him to.

One thing the Pope got right.  Cool


What would have happened to him if he said no to the Pope?



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Extradition proceedings would have been launched with Italy.

A long and involved process.

* Note: Pell actually resided outside of the Vatican, although it was his place of work.

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Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:38pm:
Extradition proceedings would have been launched with Italy.

A long and involved process.

* Note: Pell actually resided outside of the Vatican, although it was his place of work.



No.

The Pope doesn't have that power, and Pell was under no legal obligation to return to Australia.

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Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:38pm:
Extradition proceedings would have been launched with Italy.

A long and involved process.

* Note: Pell actually resided outside of the Vatican, although it was his place of work.



No.

The Pope doesn't have that power, and Pell was under no legal obligation to return to Australia.



The Pope is actually not averse  to turfing out peadophile priests, he has defrocked them. That's one good thing about the Pope.  Cool
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Reply #400 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:59pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:44pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:38pm:
Extradition proceedings would have been launched with Italy.

A long and involved process.

* Note: Pell actually resided outside of the Vatican, although it was his place of work.



No.

The Pope doesn't have that power, and Pell was under no legal obligation to return to Australia.



The Pope is actually not averse  to turfing out peadophile priests, he has defrocked them. That's one good thing about the Pope.  Cool


Sure, but he can't send them back to Australia to face our courts.

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The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse.  Angry


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Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings.


Do you have a link to something verifying this?

I've searched, and I can't find anything to support your claim.

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They didn't need to proceed to extradite him because he chose to return.

The Vatican would have been a very difficult (if not impossible) nut to crack, but Pell actually lived outside of the Vatican.

Italy and Australia have a bilateral agreement on extradition (the Treaty on extradition signed in Milan on August 26, 1985 and entered into force in Italy with Law no. 12 of 1989). ... The extradition is allowed even for the offense of attempting to commit, or participation in the commission of an offense.

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Reply #404 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:09pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse.  Angry




On what basis?
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They didn't need to proceed to extradite him because he chose to return.

The Vatican would have been a very difficult (if not impossible) nut to crack, but Pell actually lived outside of the Vatican.



That's a 'no' then.

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Aussie wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:09pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse.  Angry




On what basis?


I have no idea, but the courts are about technicalities of law, not justice.  Wink
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Reply #407 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:14pm
 
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The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse.  Angry




Then thats what he should be charged with not this kangaroo court stuff. I thought you used to be a cop?

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Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:12pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:09pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse.  Angry




On what basis?


I have no idea, but the courts are about technicalities of law, not justice.  Wink


So, his conviction as it stands is just a technicality of law - we haven't seen justice served?

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Reply #409 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:18pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:15pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:12pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:09pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse.  Angry




On what basis?


I have no idea, but the courts are about technicalities of law, not justice.  Wink


So, his conviction as it stands is just a technicality of law - we haven't seen justice served?



But...on what basis did YOU say, "it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal?"
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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:15pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:12pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:09pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse.  Angry




On what basis?


I have no idea, but the courts are about technicalities of law, not justice.  Wink


So, his conviction as it stands is just a technicality of law - we haven't seen justice served?



Usually, the one with with the most money wins.

If Pell goes to jail and stays there for a lengthy period, it could be seen as going against the norm perhaps?  Wink

In my opinion, based on his other acts of being an accessory after the fact in numerous cases ... Pell deserves to go to jail, not pass go and not receive $200.

The guy's a scumbag.


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Reply #411 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:24pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings.


Still haven't seen any evidence of this.

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aquascoot wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 10:44am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 8:56am:
mothra wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 8:33am:
Just as an aside, many apologies for invoking Horse Boy.

Like, seriously sorry.


Yeah.

Not good.


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yep , you too.

this is a political forum.

our politicians SHOULD be talking about

entrepreneurs
our awesome tourism prospects
our wonderful rural producers
our marvellous medical  specialists
our innovative small business people


instead thanks to the ADDICTION to LOW VIBRATION ENERGY by people like yourself and the durr state people stuck in the toxic negativity, our politicians have to pander to chodes like you and the millions of other dweebs and losers and talk about

the state of the church
domestic violence
victims of banks
refugee crisis
bullying on social media
lgbtq issues
where the embassy is in israel.
which pollie is a pedophile and who left their wife and who bullied another pollie.
safe spaces

the country is going nowhere whilst our politicians PANDER to the GARBAGE that occupies your mind.
until you and those like you give up the addiction to your low vibration ruminating thought loops , the whole place will go into a tailspin. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



Oh, Malcolm Turnbull tried all that, dear. He was ousted by an Abbott-led set of virtue signallers. They like to talk about

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Women doing the ironing

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Aussie wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:18pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:15pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:12pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:09pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse.  Angry




On what basis?


I have no idea, but the courts are about technicalities of law, not justice.  Wink


So, his conviction as it stands is just a technicality of law - we haven't seen justice served?



But...on what basis did YOU say, "it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal?"


Because the courts often baffle us with weird technicalities. In this case, I have no idea what might come from the appeal.

I hope it fails.

In my opinion, Pell is a ratbag.
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In my opinion, Pell is a ratbag.


That makes him guilty of these offences?
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In my opinion, Pell is a ratbag.


That makes him guilty of these offences?


The conviction by a jury in the matter of 5 counts of sexual abuse.  Wink

In addition, the way he covered up the numerous child abuse cases in the Ballarat region, and merely moved a priest around, rather than report him to Police.

He is, in my opinion, an accessory after the fact and hence: a ratbag.

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I wonder if Pell is suffering from Vitiligo?

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Reply #417 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:37pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 11:06am:
cods wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 9:37am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 9:15am:
It was claimed as a fact that it takes 27 years on average for most victims to get to the point of disclosing what happened to them.




nemo   I am talking about what was said in the past....not what is recalled today....

this was talked about...some time ago to someone....

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Also, Pell's defence talks of the boys claims. Like it was both both boys. I think there is secondary evidence relating to a confession by the dead boy. He may have told another student eventually, and that person was a witness. It sounds like inadmissable heresay, but there are exceptions to that.







his mum also claimed he told her he wasnt abused...??



questions questions...too many of them in my case. Sad


Does anyone actually think the jury didnt think of and examine those questions.


Yes there are questions, the jury looked at them. They still found him guilty.




well yes to me it doesnt look as if they examined the same questions I am talking about...

like why were two boys missing for almost 10 min  and no one noticed ...

what sort of plans did these boys make before they took off.....it couldnt have been a spur of the moment thing..

who else was in the Church!   when the boys decided the moment was right for them to run off.... Roll Eyes

... the Archbishop walks down the aisle first... he leads out his congregation 
he doesnt follow them....

would the Archbishop    who didnt know two boys were scoffing off the sherry have gone to get changed  alone???    even if he did...


would he have taken a huge risk like that knowing full well someone was coming to help him change??????

?????????????????
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Reply #418 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:38pm
 
cods wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 11:06am:
cods wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 9:37am:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 9:15am:
It was claimed as a fact that it takes 27 years on average for most victims to get to the point of disclosing what happened to them.




nemo   I am talking about what was said in the past....not what is recalled today....

this was talked about...some time ago to someone....

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Also, Pell's defence talks of the boys claims. Like it was both both boys. I think there is secondary evidence relating to a confession by the dead boy. He may have told another student eventually, and that person was a witness. It sounds like inadmissable heresay, but there are exceptions to that.







his mum also claimed he told her he wasnt abused...??



questions questions...too many of them in my case. Sad


Does anyone actually think the jury didnt think of and examine those questions.


Yes there are questions, the jury looked at them. They still found him guilty.




well yes to me it doesnt look as if they examined the same questions I am talking about...

like why were two boys missing for almost 10 min  and no one noticed ...

what sort of plans did these boys make before they took off.....it couldnt have been a spur of the moment thing..

who else was in the Church!   when the boys decided the moment was right for them to run off.... Roll Eyes

... the Archbishop walks down the aisle first... he leads out his congregation 
he doesnt follow them....

would the Archbishop    who didnt know two boys were scoffing off the sherry have gone to get changed  alone???    even if he did...


would he have taken a huge risk like that knowing full well someone was coming to help him change??????

?????????????????


There were more than 60 people in the choir I think? ... easy for 2 not to be noticed nicking off after the end of the Mass.


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Reply #419 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:40pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse.  Angry




Then thats what he should be charged with not this kangaroo court stuff. I thought you used to be a cop?

Spot


"kangaroo court" ?

The most senior judge, the best lawyers ... hardly a "kangaroo court".  Roll Eyes
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Reply #420 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:41pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:28pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:26pm:
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In my opinion, Pell is a ratbag.


That makes him guilty of these offences?


The conviction by a jury in the matter of 5 counts of sexual abuse.  Wink

In addition, the way he covered up the numerous child abuse cases in the Ballarat region, and merely moved a priest around, rather than report him to Police.

He is, in my opinion, an accessory after the fact and hence: a ratbag.





weve been through this over and over.. so once again

OUR SCHOOLS DID THE SAME THING....

almost all our Religious groups..have crimes to answer for Catholics are not the only ones...+
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Reply #421 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:46pm
 
This is not just about Pell.
The Catholic Church has to be closed down.

All the beautiful old churches would have to be demolished or turned into restaurants or something.
The money raised could go to the 1000s of victims of child sex abuse.
The schools could be taken over by the state and turned into public schools.
The orphanages could be controlled directly by the state and any people
running them who are suspected of child abuse kicked out.

It's time for a change -
the royal commission has spoken.
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Reply #426 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:53pm
 
Brendon wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:03am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:57am:
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 9:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:59pm:
I imagine Pell's barrister must have been the best, so how could one person's word persuade a jury to unanimously find Pell guilty?
Keep in mind Pell didn't testify. So it was the young man's word against....nobody, really.

Why didn't Pell take the stand? Yeah, right.

They believed him beyond reasonable doubt. And it wasn't just his testimony. Important would be testimony of others regarding what he confessed to what happened at the other boy's funeral.

I know we are bought up on fingerprints, DNA, and a hair in the boot of the car stuff, but witness testimony is very powerful evidence.


Sure, but witness testimony is all they have in the trial of the decade. This is the most senior Catholic ever to be convicted - of anything (apart from treason).

If we have these questions, what about the jury?


What do you mean "witness testimony is all they have"?

A witness who testifies he saw Pell committing a crime and was also a victim himself, is direct evidence. Direct evidence “directly” shows the defendant's guilt.

It's up to the jury to weigh the credibility of the witness. If they find his first hand evidence credible, it would be hard not to say Pell was guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Obviously they found him a credible witness. Now, thinking about that, if you were on the jury and you found him to be a credible witness, and therefore you would believe his first hand account - would you find Pell guilty?


I'd be tempted to, Brandon, sure. But I'd also be looking at the evidence and listening to what Pell's barrister presumably said about beyond any reasonable doubt.

I have doubts that the victim could not easily have made up a story to attack Pell and the Catholic Church. I also have doubt, as Pell said, that there wouldn't have been plenty of people milling around after a service of that size. Why would Pell put himself at such risk?

I have doubt, legitimate I think, that Pell would do something like this in a church after a mass. One thing Pell does have is a deep-seated belief in the rituals and sanctimony of the Catholic Church. Pell is most definitely a holier-than-thou kind of guy.

The look on Pell's face when he was told of these charges was genuine, I think. You could see the blood rise straight to his head and face. It is indeed a farcical charge - a priest of Pell's stature pulling out his dick and orally raping two boys as punishment for breaking into the priest's chamber. Pell's right - it's a ludicrous claim, even if true.

These are all doubts, Brandon. They've also caused me to doubt the 7.30 Report allegations made about Pell in his younger days in Melbourne. As the court ruled, none of that was provable, could easily have been misconstrued or didn't meet the threshold for a criminal act.

When I saw the witnesses describing their claims, I was convinced. I believed Pell was guilty for sure. The court found otherwise.

What I'm saying is I have reasonable doubts that have not been put to rest. I think for a trial of this magnitude, we should be presented with the evidence the jury went on. Members of the Catholic Church have come out to confirm these doubts, and I can understand them perfectly. Without the evidence, Pell is being turned into a martyr.

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Reply #427 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:53pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:50pm:
6 posts to flip the page.


Number of the Beast, innit.
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Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:53pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:50pm:
6 posts to flip the page.


Number of the Beast, innit.




This thread is about the works of Satan on our planet.

It's also another sign of the End Times.
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Appeal is set for 5th and 6th of June.

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Reply #430 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:11pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:05pm:
Appeal is set for 5th and 6th of June.



Three grounds for appeal:

- the verdicts were unreasonable and the jury could not have been satisfied beyond reasonable doubt on the word of one complainant alone against the unchallenged exculpatory evidence of more than 20 prosecution witnesses.

- Judge Peter Kidd erred in not allowing the defence to use a video graphic in closing arguments to demonstrate the offending was impossible.

- there was a fundamental irregularity in the trial because Pell was not arraigned in front of the jury.
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Reply #431 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:14pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:05pm:
Appeal is set for 5th and 6th of June.



Three grounds for appeal:

- the verdicts were unreasonable and the jury could not have been satisfied beyond reasonable doubt on the word of one complainant alone against the unchallenged exculpatory evidence of more than 20 prosecution witnesses.

- Judge Peter Kidd erred in not allowing the defence to use a video graphic in closing arguments to demonstrate the offending was impossible.

- there was a fundamental irregularity in the trial because Pell was not arraigned in front of the jury.



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Reply #432 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:15pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:40pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse.  Angry




Then thats what he should be charged with not this kangaroo court stuff. I thought you used to be a cop?

Spot


"kangaroo court" ?

The most senior judge, the best lawyers ... hardly a "kangaroo court".  Roll Eyes


Its a kangaroo court if someone is convicted with no evidence on the hearsay of one individual

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Reply #433 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:17pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:05pm:
Appeal is set for 5th and 6th of June.



Three grounds for appeal:

- the verdicts were unreasonable and the jury could not have been satisfied beyond reasonable doubt on the word of one complainant alone against the unchallenged exculpatory evidence of more than 20 prosecution witnesses.

- Judge Peter Kidd erred in not allowing the defence to use a video graphic in closing arguments to demonstrate the offending was impossible.

- there was a fundamental irregularity in the trial because Pell was not arraigned in front of the jury.



So says our resident Bush Lawyer?


No.

Bret Walker SC.
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Reply #434 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:18pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:15pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:40pm:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:14pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:04pm:
The courts could have (and would have) launched extradition proceedings. Pell knew that, and to minimize the already bad image, elected to come back to Oz.

Now, it is possible that the case will be overturned by appeal, but in my opinion, it would be a travesty of justice. Pell, even if he did not personally rape children, was an accessory after the fact in numerous cases of child abuse.  Angry




Then thats what he should be charged with not this kangaroo court stuff. I thought you used to be a cop?

Spot


"kangaroo court" ?

The most senior judge, the best lawyers ... hardly a "kangaroo court".  Roll Eyes


Its a kangaroo court if someone is convicted with no evidence on the hearsay of one individual

Spot


A victim's evidence is NOT hearsay.


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Reply #435 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:27pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:05pm:
Appeal is set for 5th and 6th of June.



Three grounds for appeal:

- the verdicts were unreasonable and the jury could not have been satisfied beyond reasonable doubt on the word of one complainant alone against the unchallenged exculpatory evidence of more than 20 prosecution witnesses.

- Judge Peter Kidd erred in not allowing the defence to use a video graphic in closing arguments to demonstrate the offending was impossible.

- there was a fundamental irregularity in the trial because Pell was not arraigned in front of the jury.



So says our resident Bush Lawyer?


No.

Bret Walker SC.


One of the best lawyers in the country.

"Served as the President of the NSW Bar Association, President of the Law Council of Australia, Chairman of LCA National Criminal Law Liaison Committee and Governor of the Law Foundation of NSW, Walker was also appointed the first Independent National Security Legislation Monitor."

Pell's pulled out the big guns.

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Reply #436 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:37pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1551141652/429#429 date=1551848720]
Appeal is set for 5th and 6th of June.



That's when it will be heard.  The decision will be much later (in the normal course of things.)

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Three grounds for appeal:

- the verdicts were unreasonable and the jury could not have been satisfied beyond reasonable doubt on the word of one complainant alone against the unchallenged exculpatory evidence of more than 20 prosecution witnesses.


Which is exactly what has been argued here.

Quote:
- Judge Peter Kidd erred in not allowing the defence to use a video graphic in closing arguments to demonstrate the offending was impossible.


Not sure what that is about.

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- there was a fundamental irregularity in the trial because Pell was not arraigned in front of the jury.


That's odd, and I have no idea what it is referring to.  In Qld.....the entire Jury panel (all the prospective Jurors) is in the back of the Court Room, and the accused has the charges read out and is asked to plead, either guilty or not guilty.  If the plea is guilty, the Panel is excused, and a sentencing process in then commenced.

If the plea is not guilty, then the next thing is the selection of the 12 to sit on the Jury.  When that is complete, the rest of the panel are excused to some later date or completely discharged if that particular accused is the last to be dealt with by that Judge in that sitting period.

I have no idea why Pell would not have been dealt with in that same way.
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Reply #437 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:45pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1551141652/429#429 date=1551848720]
Appeal is set for 5th and 6th of June.



That's when it will be heard.  The decision will be much later (in the normal course of things.)

Quote:
Three grounds for appeal:

- the verdicts were unreasonable and the jury could not have been satisfied beyond reasonable doubt on the word of one complainant alone against the unchallenged exculpatory evidence of more than 20 prosecution witnesses.


Which is exactly what has been argued here.

Quote:
- Judge Peter Kidd erred in not allowing the defence to use a video graphic in closing arguments to demonstrate the offending was impossible.


Not sure what that is about.

Quote:
- there was a fundamental irregularity in the trial because Pell was not arraigned in front of the jury.


That's odd, and I have no idea what it is referring to.  In Qld.....the entire Jury panel (all the prospective Jurors) is in the back of the Court Room, and the accused has the charges read out and is asked to plead, either guilty or not guilty.  If the plea is guilty, the Panel is excused, and a sentencing process in then commenced.

If the plea is not guilty, then the next thing is the selection of the 12 to sit on the Jury.  When that is complete, the rest of the panel are excused to some later date or completely discharged if that particular accused is the last to be dealt with by that Judge in that sitting period.

I have no idea why Pell would not have been dealt with in that same way.


On this one:

Quote:
- Judge Peter Kidd erred in not allowing the defence to use a video graphic in closing arguments to demonstrate the offending was impossible.


The defence wanted to play an "animation" to try to show the events as described by the victim could not have happened.

I dare say this grounds for appeal will be tossed out.

An "animation" being denied in court would be a very odd ground for appeal I reckon.

Still, we will find out later in the year if spending even more squillions on Pell's defence will work or not.

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Reply #438 - Mar 6th, 2019 at 5:57pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:17pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:05pm:
Appeal is set for 5th and 6th of June.



Three grounds for appeal:

- the verdicts were unreasonable and the jury could not have been satisfied beyond reasonable doubt on the word of one complainant alone against the unchallenged exculpatory evidence of more than 20 prosecution witnesses.

- Judge Peter Kidd erred in not allowing the defence to use a video graphic in closing arguments to demonstrate the offending was impossible.

- there was a fundamental irregularity in the trial because Pell was not arraigned in front of the jury.



So says our resident Bush Lawyer?


No.

Bret Walker SC.



Next time at least give a link when you quote someone - you fool.
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Next time at least give a link when you quote someone - you fool.


Link this:

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The appeal court cannot possibly confirm the verdict.
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there was a fundamental irregularity in the trial because Pell was not arraigned in front of the jury.



what does that mean exactly?
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is he still in Jail?


Yes.

He'll remain in jail until at least the 6th of June.

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there was a fundamental irregularity in the trial because Pell was not arraigned in front of the jury.



what does that mean exactly?


Se Post 436 above.
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Captain Nemo wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:45pm:
Aussie wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 3:11pm:
[quote author=greggerypeccary link=1551141652/429#429 date=1551848720]
Appeal is set for 5th and 6th of June.



That's when it will be heard.  The decision will be much later (in the normal course of things.)

Quote:
Three grounds for appeal:

- the verdicts were unreasonable and the jury could not have been satisfied beyond reasonable doubt on the word of one complainant alone against the unchallenged exculpatory evidence of more than 20 prosecution witnesses.


Which is exactly what has been argued here.

Quote:
- Judge Peter Kidd erred in not allowing the defence to use a video graphic in closing arguments to demonstrate the offending was impossible.


Not sure what that is about.

Quote:
- there was a fundamental irregularity in the trial because Pell was not arraigned in front of the jury.


That's odd, and I have no idea what it is referring to.  In Qld.....the entire Jury panel (all the prospective Jurors) is in the back of the Court Room, and the accused has the charges read out and is asked to plead, either guilty or not guilty.  If the plea is guilty, the Panel is excused, and a sentencing process in then commenced.

If the plea is not guilty, then the next thing is the selection of the 12 to sit on the Jury.  When that is complete, the rest of the panel are excused to some later date or completely discharged if that particular accused is the last to be dealt with by that Judge in that sitting period.

I have no idea why Pell would not have been dealt with in that same way.


On this one:

Quote:
- Judge Peter Kidd erred in not allowing the defence to use a video graphic in closing arguments to demonstrate the offending was impossible.


The defence wanted to play an "animation" to try to show the events as described by the victim could not have happened.

I dare say this grounds for appeal will be tossed out.

An "animation" being denied in court would be a very odd ground for appeal I reckon.

Still, we will find out later in the year if spending even more squillions on Pell's defence will work or not.





Are you allowed to add new evidence in closing arguments? Shouldnt that animation be shown as normal evidence and then summarised at the end?
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A bit more information was made public today.  The Jury in the second Trial DID NOT SEE the complainant gove evidence in front of them physically.  They saw what they saw of Pell....him being asked questions on camera, and the film of that played to them.

In the second Trial, the Jury saw a video tape of the complainant physically giving evidence in the first Trial (where the Jury could not reach a verdict.)

So.....the first Jury ONLY (not the second) had the advantage of seeing the complainant in their physical presence, and they could not reach a verdict.  The second Jury saw a video of that appearance in the first Trial, did not actually have the complainant in their presence to fully observe, and they do convict.

(How that video was explained to the second Jury without telling them it came from the first Trial where the Jury could not reach a verdict...I dunno.)

Nah.
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Are you allowed to add new evidence in closing arguments? Shouldn't that animation be shown as normal evidence and then summarised at the end?


Well, I dunno why not.  After all, said animation is merely a visual complement to an oral summation to the Jury.  One picture/thousand words sort of thing.
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Reply #448 - Mar 7th, 2019 at 8:48am
 
I watched that 4Corners podcast  and it certainly showed that Pell had form in my opinion.

Whether he is guilty in this case is debatable it seems.

The bit I find funny is the apparent total turn around in the jury's guilty numbers from trial one to trial two,

although  the jury voting that found him guilty from trial one has not been verified as 10 not guilty to 2 guilty.  Not sure where I read those rumoured figures

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/mar/02/cardinal-george-pells-con...
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Well, I dunno why not.  After all, said animation is merely a visual complement to an oral summation to the Jury.  One picture/thousand words sort of thing.




Sounds odd you wouldnt state it in the evidence though
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there was a fundamental irregularity in the trial because Pell was not arraigned in front of the jury.



what does that mean exactly?


Basically, they didn't stand him up in front of the jury and say "You are charged with these offences ...", and he thus wasn't given the chance to say "I plead not guilty".

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Well, I dunno why not.  After all, said animation is merely a visual complement to an oral summation to the Jury.  One picture/thousand words sort of thing.




Sounds odd you wouldnt state it in the evidence though


It sounds (to me) that it is merely a visual presentation to accompany oral submissions, and if that is the case, I can't see why there would be any problem.
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How do we know the visual representation is correct? What I'm saying is that can you challenge the veracity of evidence given in final summaries? The animation may have mistakes in it, which could sway a jury falsely.
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I guess what I'm seeing here is a subtle form of denialism. Trying to find any minutiae.


I suspect the level of examination if it was anyone else would be minimal.
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How do we know the visual representation is correct? What I'm saying is that can you challenge the veracity of evidence given in final summaries? The animation may have mistakes in it, which could sway a jury falsely.


That's what the Judge has to do.  If anything false or inappropriate is put to a Jury (visually or orally) in submissions it is his job to immediately correct it, and depending on severity, admonish the offending Counsel.
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Reply #461 - Mar 7th, 2019 at 11:48am
 
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How do we know the visual representation is correct? What I'm saying is that can you challenge the veracity of evidence given in final summaries? The animation may have mistakes in it, which could sway a jury falsely.


That's what the Judge has to do.  If anything false or inappropriate is put to a Jury (visually or orally) in submissions it is his job to immediately correct it, and depending on severity, admonish the offending Counsel.



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"Proof of crime at trial is a complex and difficult process. Absolute certainty is not achievable, and it is not demanded. Inevitably, innocent defendants are convicted. In Australia these errors only come to light occasionally, but there is reason to believe that many wrongful convictions remain hidden from view. Analyses of DNA exonerations in the US suggest that the wrongful conviction rate is three per cent or higher. While the Australian criminal justice system may claim superiority in certain respects, there is no reason to believe the error rate in Australia would be radically lower.

"An individual wrongful conviction is a searing injustice. The fact that only a very small proportion of wrongful convictions are corrected is a grave social problem. However, the problem is not straightforward. There are good reasons to view the trial verdict as final, and to constrain the opportunities for review at the appeal and post-appeal stages. To reduce the finality of conviction at trial would potentially diminish the jury’s role, upset the efficient distribution of work within the judicial hierarchy, and make it more difficult for victims to achieve closure.

"Nevertheless, it is becoming increasingly clear that wrongful convictions occur at a higher rate than previously thought, and that finality is being pursued at too great a cost. It appears likely that there are dozens of innocent defendants convicted in NSW each year who fail on appeal, and for whom the current post-appeal avenues offer no genuine hope of correcting the injustice. And there is no excuse for leaving this problem unaddressed. There is an effective post-appeal mechanism available which can operate without inordinate impact on finality. NSW should adopt a CCRC based on the English model. The English Commission greatly increased the rate of correction of wrongful convictions. It is viewed by bodies such as the Court of Appeal, Criminal Division and the Law Commission as an essential part of the English criminal justice infrastructure. And the British government, even in the current straitened economic environment, considers that the Commission provides society with good value for money. To not, at least, give serious consideration to this option would be a severe policy failing."


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Oh good, so because some people are innocently convicted, that means Pell is innocent. Got you.
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Oh good, so because some people are innocently convicted, that means Pell is innocent. Got you.


Who said that?

I'm curious.

I, for one, have never said that Pell is innocent.

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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Oh good, so because some people are innocently convicted, that means Pell is innocent. Got you.


Who said that?

I'm curious.

I, for one, have never said that Pell is innocent.

Let's just stick to the facts, shall we?




So what in the bugger is all this other poo. He's guilty but oh my god I will continue to question all aspects of the trial in the sense he's innocent.
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 11:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 11:55am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Oh good, so because some people are innocently convicted, that means Pell is innocent. Got you.


Who said that?

I'm curious.

I, for one, have never said that Pell is innocent.

Let's just stick to the facts, shall we?




So what in the bugger is all this other poo. He's guilty but oh my god I will continue to question all aspects of the trial in the sense he's innocent.


No.

I remain open-minded and objective.

Other people might be saying he's innocent, but I certainly haven't.

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greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 11:55am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Oh good, so because some people are innocently convicted, that means Pell is innocent. Got you.


Who said that?

I'm curious.

I, for one, have never said that Pell is innocent.

Let's just stick to the facts, shall we?





I am, the fact is he's been found guiltyu in a court. Done.
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 12:19pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 11:55am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Oh good, so because some people are innocently convicted, that means Pell is innocent. Got you.


Who said that?

I'm curious.

I, for one, have never said that Pell is innocent.

Let's just stick to the facts, shall we?





I am, the fact is he's been found guiltyu in a court. Done.


Indeed.

Nobody has denied that fact.

Another fact: the legal process isn't over.

Another fact: thousands of innocent people have been convicted by juries.
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"Proof of crime at trial is a complex and difficult process. Absolute certainty is not achievable, and it is not demanded. Inevitably, innocent defendants are convicted. In Australia these errors only come to light occasionally, but there is reason to believe that many wrongful convictions remain hidden from view. Analyses of DNA exonerations in the US suggest that the wrongful conviction rate is three per cent or higher. While the Australian criminal justice system may claim superiority in certain respects, there is no reason to believe the error rate in Australia would be radically lower.

"An individual wrongful conviction is a searing injustice. The fact that only a very small proportion of wrongful convictions are corrected is a grave social problem. However, the problem is not straightforward. There are good reasons to view the trial verdict as final, and to constrain the opportunities for review at the appeal and post-appeal stages. To reduce the finality of conviction at trial would potentially diminish the jury’s role, upset the efficient distribution of work within the judicial hierarchy, and make it more difficult for victims to achieve closure.

"Nevertheless, it is becoming increasingly clear that wrongful convictions occur at a higher rate than previously thought, and that finality is being pursued at too great a cost. It appears likely that there are dozens of innocent defendants convicted in NSW each year who fail on appeal, and for whom the current post-appeal avenues offer no genuine hope of correcting the injustice. And there is no excuse for leaving this problem unaddressed. There is an effective post-appeal mechanism available which can operate without inordinate impact on finality. NSW should adopt a CCRC based on the English model. The English Commission greatly increased the rate of correction of wrongful convictions. It is viewed by bodies such as the Court of Appeal, Criminal Division and the Law Commission as an essential part of the English criminal justice infrastructure. And the British government, even in the current straitened economic environment, considers that the Commission provides society with good value for money. To not, at least, give serious consideration to this option would be a severe policy failing."


Wrongful Convictions, Appeals, and the Finality Principle: The Need for a Criminal Cases Review Commission" [2014] UNSWLawJl 12; (2014) 37(1) UNSW Law Journal 270



Good to see some reading my Australia's Wrongfully Convicted site.... they're starting to get the idea... unfortunately given the high rate of outright prejudice against defendants and preference for prosecution in the 'lower courts', and the severe restrictions on appeals, many are just rubber-stamped into conviction.

Then when governments install 'laws' that do not abide by the Rule of Law, with a zero standard of proof, or based on 'feelings'.... the gate is wide open....
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Not - but when one witness says one thing, and twenty say another.... it leaves a sense of unease....
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Oh good, so because some people are innocently convicted, that means Pell is innocent. Got you.


Who said that?

I'm curious.

I, for one, have never said that Pell is innocent.

Let's just stick to the facts, shall we?



He could be guilty or innocent - the point is that to be legally guilty he has to be proven guilty beyond ANY reasonable doubt...
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Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 11:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 11:55am:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Oh good, so because some people are innocently convicted, that means Pell is innocent. Got you.


Who said that?

I'm curious.

I, for one, have never said that Pell is innocent.

Let's just stick to the facts, shall we?




So what in the bugger is all this other poo. He's guilty but oh my god I will continue to question all aspects of the trial in the sense he's innocent.


Hope you don't say that at jury selection - NEXT!

He's been found guilty - there are doubts about the handling of the case... twenty to one witnesses .... that raises doubt in anyone's mind about the one .... especially in a 'he said'/'he said' situation.  there is primary evidence - e.g. what a person says - then there is a requirement for corroboration....unfortunately our 'courts' most often convict on primary evidence without corroboration and often  ignore ex-culpatory corroboration from the defence.

I suspect his appeal will win.
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Speaking of Pell ...

Church knew Pell was at centre of decades-old lurid sex claims


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The claims were lurid and unverified so Helen Last, the counsellor hired by the Catholic Church in Melbourne to assist victims of clerical abuse, agonised before reporting them to her superiors.

It was 1996 and the newly appointed archbishop, George Pell, had just set up the Melbourne Response to handle the rising numbers of sex abuse claims received by the archdiocese.

An ex-seminarian known as ‘‘Joe’’ came forward alleging that Pell and several other priests had, 10 to 15 years earlier, been having sex with Mannix College trainee clerics at ‘‘parties … involving young men’’.

Joe was not a strong witness. He wanted $20,000 for compromising photographs which appeared to be of Pell and others engaged in sexual acts but could not produce the negatives. Despite this, Ms Last felt she could not dismiss Joe's allegations.

She reported the claims to her superior and also to the vicar-general, Monsignor Gerald Cudmore (who died in 2007).

‘‘He was shocked, and said ‘we have to do something’,’’ she said.

Ms Last says she developed suspicions about Pell very early during her work with the Archdiocese of Melbourne.

She heard many stories from victims of clergy sexual abuse in different parishes, especially that Pell knew what was happening and was protecting priests who were abusing children.

‘‘It was alleged to me early that Pell was among a group of offenders from Ballarat to Melbourne. They were part of the Ballarat organised clerical offending, which extended down to Laverton and around Melbourne.’’

While the credibility of the claims made by ‘‘Joe’’ was never substantiated, a detailed memo of the ex-seminarian’s allegations, seen by The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald, demonstrates that the church was aware of complaints about Pell’s character dating back more than 20 years.

In the light of Pell’s conviction for sexual abuse of two choirboys in 1996, The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald believe there is public interest in revealing the trail of complaints that have dogged the cardinal’s career.

If the ex-seminarian’s claims are included, there are nine known allegations about sexual misconduct against Pell, ranging from exposure to assault, although only two – his sexual abuse of the choirboys – have been upheld by a court.

Rumours have surrounded the cardinal, especially among survivors of abuse and their advocates, for many years. Some of the allegations might seem preposterous at first but the same argument was made by some about the choirboy's claim that he and another boy were assaulted more than 20 years ago. This makes the other allegations more relevant.

Ms Last’s contract was terminated in May 1997 as a result, she claims, of her defying explicit instructions from archbishop Pell and then vicar-general Denis Hart to stay away from the Doveton parish, which suffered six paedophiles in succession as parish priest or assistant priest.

One Doveton priest was the deranged Peter Searson, who wandered the Catholic school in military clothing, sometimes carried a gun, stabbed a bird with a screwdriver and tortured a cat. He was also molesting many children.

A teacher at the time, Carmel Rafferty – whose attempts at whistle-blowing ended her career in Catholic education – said a delegation went to Pell, Searson’s bishop, to share their concerns, but these were dismissed. Pell told the royal commission that this was because he was deceived by archbishop Frank Little and the education office.

After she was sacked and the pastoral response office closed, Ms Last set up In Good Faith and Associates to support survivors. She also set up the Melbourne Victims’ Collective, which has 120 members who complain they were traumatised by the Melbourne Response.

‘‘I believe Pell set up the Melbourne Response partly to protect himself. I believed that from the beginning ... He had no understanding of victim care,’’ she says.

Ms Last believes the Melbourne Response files should be subpoenaed and the decision in each case examined.

In 2015 she submitted her correspondence with the church over the Joe memo to the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse.

It is believed that ‘‘Joe’’ has not pursued the matter. The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald have been unable to contact him.

The new Archbishop of Melbourne, Peter A. Comensoli, says he does not know of any other historic accusations from Pell’s time in Melbourne, apart from those that had already been before the court.

‘‘No. Only the Ballarat one and the trial’s not going ahead. There’s nothing in his files, and our files stop with when he finished up here.’’

However, correspondence seen by this masthead shows that the independent commissioner, Peter O’Callaghan, QC, investigated the seminary allegations, asking Ms Last to send him ‘‘the remainder of your files … as quickly as possible.’’

Approached last week, Mr O’Callaghan said that because the matter of Pell remains before the courts, ‘‘I must not and will not make any comments on the matters you raised.’’

Pell, who is to be sentenced next week, maintains his innocence of all claims and will appeal his conviction of sexually assaulting the two choirboys at a hearing set down for June 5 and 6.

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Reply #474 - Mar 7th, 2019 at 1:17pm
 
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He's been found guilty - there are doubts about the handling of the case... twenty to one witnesses .... that raises doubt in anyone's mind about the one .... especially in a 'he said'/'he said' situation.  there is primary evidence - e.g. what a person says - then there is a requirement for corroboration....unfortunately our 'courts' most often convict on primary evidence without corroboration and often  ignore ex-culpatory corroboration from the defence.

I suspect his appeal will win.




And you don't think the jury took that into account in his trial?
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huuuummmmm

so how about those who have spent years in jail  DAVID EASTMAN for one 19 years    and now another trial has found him INNOCENT>>thanks to DNA...



would you deprive him of more freedom because he was found GUILTY THE FIRST TIME?...

Angry Angry Angry

perhaps if you stopped twisting people words...

like claiming you think Pell is innocent.. Roll Eyes when that is just plain not true....

we have doubts about the 20 year old evidence.. which is confined to MEMORY...



and some of it just doesnt add up...

get it all clarified  and clear.... and yes if he is found GUILTY  a second time round with all that explained  I will accept his guilt....

when there is a question mark no matter how small I would rather another trial then convict an innocent person.



whats the big deal about that?

its not up to Pell    its up to the judiciary.to award an appeal..




What are the grounds for an appeal?
An appeal court can only set aside your conviction for one of the following three reasons: the verdict was unreasonable or couldn't be supported by the evidence; the judge made an error of law; or. there was a miscarriage of justice on any grounds (basis).

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Reply #476 - Mar 7th, 2019 at 3:23pm
 
The question is -

would you pick up the soap in a communal shower if Pell
was standing behind you?
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Reply #477 - Mar 7th, 2019 at 3:32pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Mar 7th, 2019 at 3:23pm:
The question is -

would you pick up the soap in a communal shower if Pell
was standing behind you?


I've never known anyone to spend as much time in communal showers as you do, Bobby.


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Reply #478 - Mar 18th, 2019 at 10:13pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 2:53pm:
Brendon wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 6:03am:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 6th, 2019 at 1:57am:
Brendon wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 9:01pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Mar 5th, 2019 at 7:59pm:
I imagine Pell's barrister must have been the best, so how could one person's word persuade a jury to unanimously find Pell guilty?
Keep in mind Pell didn't testify. So it was the young man's word against....nobody, really.

Why didn't Pell take the stand? Yeah, right.

They believed him beyond reasonable doubt. And it wasn't just his testimony. Important would be testimony of others regarding what he confessed to what happened at the other boy's funeral.

I know we are bought up on fingerprints, DNA, and a hair in the boot of the car stuff, but witness testimony is very powerful evidence.


Sure, but witness testimony is all they have in the trial of the decade. This is the most senior Catholic ever to be convicted - of anything (apart from treason).

If we have these questions, what about the jury?


What do you mean "witness testimony is all they have"?

A witness who testifies he saw Pell committing a crime and was also a victim himself, is direct evidence. Direct evidence “directly” shows the defendant's guilt.

It's up to the jury to weigh the credibility of the witness. If they find his first hand evidence credible, it would be hard not to say Pell was guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

Obviously they found him a credible witness. Now, thinking about that, if you were on the jury and you found him to be a credible witness, and therefore you would believe his first hand account - would you find Pell guilty?


I'd be tempted to, Brandon, sure. But I'd also be looking at the evidence and listening to what Pell's barrister presumably said about beyond any reasonable doubt.

I have doubts that the victim could not easily have made up a story to attack Pell and the Catholic Church. I also have doubt, as Pell said, that there wouldn't have been plenty of people milling around after a service of that size. Why would Pell put himself at such risk?

I have doubt, legitimate I think, that Pell would do something like this in a church after a mass. One thing Pell does have is a deep-seated belief in the rituals and sanctimony of the Catholic Church. Pell is most definitely a holier-than-thou kind of guy.

The look on Pell's face when he was told of these charges was genuine, I think. You could see the blood rise straight to his head and face. It is indeed a farcical charge - a priest of Pell's stature pulling out his dick and orally raping two boys as punishment for breaking into the priest's chamber. Pell's right - it's a ludicrous claim, even if true.

These are all doubts, Brandon. They've also caused me to doubt the 7.30 Report allegations made about Pell in his younger days in Melbourne. As the court ruled, none of that was provable, could easily have been misconstrued or didn't meet the threshold for a criminal act.

When I saw the witnesses describing their claims, I was convinced. I believed Pell was guilty for sure. The court found otherwise.

What I'm saying is I have reasonable doubts that have not been put to rest. I think for a trial of this magnitude, we should be presented with the evidence the jury went on. Members of the Catholic Church have come out to confirm these doubts, and I can understand them perfectly. Without the evidence, Pell is being turned into a martyr.

ah, it all boils down to the look on Pells face. I mean, you have doubts, the jury didnt when presented with the overwhelming mass of evidence presented over a number of weeks in a court of law according to strict rules of evidence. But they didnt see the look on Pells face presented on tabloid television for 10 seconds. But you did. The evidence is in then.
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