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Reply #15 - Feb 21st, 2019 at 11:08pm
 
Maybe Reboot is asking if someone is being a Free Thinker in that they are free from the constraints of Professionalism.

Much like an Amateur Astronomer is free to search what part of the sky he/she chooses and isn't restricted by funding and paid to look at a particular section.

Or like the Kings High prestigious Student who is told to 'follow the path' as 'instructed' towards his guarranteed success.
Compared to the Student who leaves school to find his own path by making mistakes and learning from them.
The Kings Student stops thinking when the path ends and he just waits for further instruction, while the peasant kid just keeps moving along - making his own path and thinking 'freely'.

As White Collar CEO's (cliche) are 'free' to pursue Recreational 'physical' hobbies, like jogging, squash, tennis, etc.
...as would Blue Collar's pursue 'Recreational' mental stimulations like Books, TAB's, Poker games, hobby courses in quantum physics.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #16 - Feb 22nd, 2019 at 11:07am
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 21st, 2019 at 11:08pm:
Maybe Reboot is asking if someone is being a Free Thinker in that they are free from the constraints of Professionalism.



No, he is asking if they are free from the constraints of logic
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Reply #17 - Feb 22nd, 2019 at 6:31pm
 
My point is, people that follow their own brand of "religion" (such as those mentioned in the OP) cop a lot of flack that those in organized religions (because hey, it's socially acceptable to be illogical -- only if you believe in Jesus, Allah, or whatever alien deity scientologists worship) What's the difference between conspiracy theorists who obsess over their "truths" and nutcases in churches?

(I wasn't aware Julian Assange was a filthy illogical conspiracy theorist. I must have been dreaming that he hacked into government databases and revealed a lot of information that makes grubberments look like crap. But that's okay, he has no credibility cause he raped a Swedish chick  Roll Eyes )

This is part of a greater theory -- that in the human race, it's a sin to be an individual with your own way of thinking, your own beliefs derived from personal experience. Illogical and "mentally ill" beliefs are only acceptable if you're part of the church.

So Icke craps on a lot about shapeshifting reptilians? He has a lot of good ideas and theories too, some which he is spot on with. It's much like the bible, filled with both impossibilities and clever messages.

Only, one is acceptable, the other is not.
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Reply #18 - Feb 23rd, 2019 at 1:02pm
 
The Reboot wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 6:31pm:
My point is, people that follow their own brand of "religion" (such as those mentioned in the OP) cop a lot of flack that those in organized religions (because hey, it's socially acceptable to be illogical -- only if you believe in Jesus, Allah, or whatever alien deity scientologists worship) What's the difference between conspiracy theorists who obsess over their "truths" and nutcases in churches?

(I wasn't aware Julian Assange was a filthy illogical conspiracy theorist. I must have been dreaming that he hacked into government databases and revealed a lot of information that makes grubberments look like crap. But that's okay, he has no credibility cause he raped a Swedish chick  Roll Eyes )

This is part of a greater theory -- that in the human race, it's a sin to be an individual with your own way of thinking, your own beliefs derived from personal experience. Illogical and "mentally ill" beliefs are only acceptable if you're part of the church.

So Icke craps on a lot about shapeshifting reptilians? He has a lot of good ideas and theories too, some which he is spot on with. It's much like the bible, filled with both impossibilities and clever messages.

Only, one is acceptable, the other is not.


You do realise that your general thrust is nothing new?

As for the comparison between conspiracy theorists and the Christian Church, well where do we begin? There might be some parallels, after all, supernatural beliefs and superstition pervade the Abrahamic religions.

But most con-theos would not have gone to the trouble to travel to remote disease infested locations to bring some order, teach people to read and write, and put down practices like bigamy and cannibalism.

Torres Strait Islanders used to call it the Coming of the Light. That was until in recent years Progressive Leftists (who believe themselves free-thinkers) taught the Islanders to believe they have been exploited by the evil of British Colonialism. Perhaps they would be better off going back to shrinking heads.
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Reply #19 - Feb 23rd, 2019 at 3:35pm
 
I remember a teacher in primary school who used to call pupils who misbehaved "individual" ... "You damn individual", he would say. For years I never knew what he meant, but once I learned about politics, it became obvious he was some kind of radical socialist, believing in "collectivism" and conforming to far left socialist constructs

More than anything else, what I learned from that teacher, was not how good I should behave, but to remain an individual, because that's how I've always been, naturally individualistic. The only time I felt I had to suppress that natural virtue was when I was a conscript doing military service, the ultimate socialist construct devoid of all individualism, except if being presented with a bravery medal. But then "Worker Hero" medals were handed out in the old Soviet Union

Churches and Mosques don't impress me, they are like parliament houses, dictating to the masses. Better if religion was just practiced at home praying before a little shrine if people feel the need, I'm a puritan about religion, no opinionated bishops or muftis for me, often they are the most sinful

The Vatican assisted Nazi war criminals to escape to South America, and it is protecting pedophile and child abusing priests. Mosques extol the virtues of one set of humans over another, which apparently has no virtues

I'll remain a free thinking individual thank you very much




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Reply #20 - Feb 23rd, 2019 at 6:28pm
 
A good example where 'individualism' does not work is in 'Team Sports'.
Take NZ All Blacks in Rugby Union during the Jonah Lomu era.
Now there was one mighty 'individual' that stood out from the rest of the team.
The South Africans and French were wise and basically concentrated their efforts against Lomu directly.
"We only have to beat 'one' player! (Lomu)" they said and they were right.
Lomu's individualism ruled over the rest of the All Black team. So when he was being beaten back, the rest of the team didn't know how to 'stand up' in response.

Bradman was another 'individual' that actually worked against his own team. They all hated him because he 'ruled' and dominated everything for his own personal gain.

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Reply #21 - Feb 24th, 2019 at 11:35am
 
issuevoter wrote on Feb 23rd, 2019 at 1:02pm:
The Reboot wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 6:31pm:
My point is, people that follow their own brand of "religion" (such as those mentioned in the OP) cop a lot of flack that those in organized religions (because hey, it's socially acceptable to be illogical -- only if you believe in Jesus, Allah, or whatever alien deity scientologists worship) What's the difference between conspiracy theorists who obsess over their "truths" and nutcases in churches?

(I wasn't aware Julian Assange was a filthy illogical conspiracy theorist. I must have been dreaming that he hacked into government databases and revealed a lot of information that makes grubberments look like crap. But that's okay, he has no credibility cause he raped a Swedish chick  Roll Eyes )

This is part of a greater theory -- that in the human race, it's a sin to be an individual with your own way of thinking, your own beliefs derived from personal experience. Illogical and "mentally ill" beliefs are only acceptable if you're part of the church.

So Icke craps on a lot about shapeshifting reptilians? He has a lot of good ideas and theories too, some which he is spot on with. It's much like the bible, filled with both impossibilities and clever messages.

Only, one is acceptable, the other is not.


You do realise that your general thrust is nothing new?

As for the comparison between conspiracy theorists and the Christian Church, well where do we begin? There might be some parallels, after all, supernatural beliefs and superstition pervade the Abrahamic religions.

But most con-theos would not have gone to the trouble to travel to remote disease infested locations to bring some order, teach people to read and write, and put down practices like bigamy and cannibalism.

Torres Strait Islanders used to call it the Coming of the Light. That was until in recent years Progressive Leftists (who believe themselves free-thinkers) taught the Islanders to believe they have been exploited by the evil of British Colonialism. Perhaps they would be better off going back to shrinking heads.


Indeed.

Nothing is new.

But it's this side of philosophy I like to discuss, and expand upon.

Progressive Leftists are certainly not "free-thinkers".

Progressive leftism started when the "individual hippies" copulated with communists. It's the "child" of these two, and has since become popular, commercialized and turned into a religion without a God.
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Reply #22 - Feb 25th, 2019 at 12:24pm
 
The Reboot wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 6:31pm:
My point is, people that follow their own brand of "religion" (such as those mentioned in the OP) cop a lot of flack that those in organized religions (because hey, it's socially acceptable to be illogical -- only if you believe in Jesus, Allah, or whatever alien deity scientologists worship) What's the difference between conspiracy theorists who obsess over their "truths" and nutcases in churches?


The difference is in the context.
Having wacky ideas about events and people from 2000 years ago is different to having wacky ideas about current events.
When Alex Jones says that the Sandy Hook massacre was "manufactured" by the government and that the grieving relatives were "crisis actors", that has a direct impact on people here today.
As does the various conspiracy theories involving 9/11, the moon landings, chemtrails, fluoride, vaccinations and global warming.

People who identify as "free thinkers" generally have thinking that is free from logic and facts 
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Reply #23 - Feb 25th, 2019 at 7:07pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 25th, 2019 at 12:24pm:
The Reboot wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 6:31pm:
My point is, people that follow their own brand of "religion" (such as those mentioned in the OP) cop a lot of flack that those in organized religions (because hey, it's socially acceptable to be illogical -- only if you believe in Jesus, Allah, or whatever alien deity scientologists worship) What's the difference between conspiracy theorists who obsess over their "truths" and nutcases in churches?


The difference is in the context.
Having wacky ideas about events and people from 2000 years ago is different to having wacky ideas about current events.
When Alex Jones says that the Sandy Hook massacre was "manufactured" by the government and that the grieving relatives were "crisis actors", that has a direct impact on people here today.
As does the various conspiracy theories involving 9/11, the moon landings, chemtrails, fluoride, vaccinations and global warming.

People who identify as "free thinkers" generally have thinking that is free from logic and facts 


Or maybe 'thinking' that is free from Media dominated Western society views.


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Reply #24 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 6:20am
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 25th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 25th, 2019 at 12:24pm:
The Reboot wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 6:31pm:
My point is, people that follow their own brand of "religion" (such as those mentioned in the OP) cop a lot of flack that those in organized religions (because hey, it's socially acceptable to be illogical -- only if you believe in Jesus, Allah, or whatever alien deity scientologists worship) What's the difference between conspiracy theorists who obsess over their "truths" and nutcases in churches?


The difference is in the context.
Having wacky ideas about events and people from 2000 years ago is different to having wacky ideas about current events.
When Alex Jones says that the Sandy Hook massacre was "manufactured" by the government and that the grieving relatives were "crisis actors", that has a direct impact on people here today.
As does the various conspiracy theories involving 9/11, the moon landings, chemtrails, fluoride, vaccinations and global warming.

People who identify as "free thinkers" generally have thinking that is free from logic and facts 


Or maybe 'thinking' that is free from Media dominated Western society views.




Nah. Those are kook theories, and wanting to believe them indicates serious neurotic tendencies.
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Reply #25 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 11:14am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 25th, 2019 at 12:24pm:
The Reboot wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 6:31pm:
My point is, people that follow their own brand of "religion" (such as those mentioned in the OP) cop a lot of flack that those in organized religions (because hey, it's socially acceptable to be illogical -- only if you believe in Jesus, Allah, or whatever alien deity scientologists worship) What's the difference between conspiracy theorists who obsess over their "truths" and nutcases in churches?


The difference is in the context.
Having wacky ideas about events and people from 2000 years ago is different to having wacky ideas about current events.
When Alex Jones says that the Sandy Hook massacre was "manufactured" by the government and that the grieving relatives were "crisis actors", that has a direct impact on people here today.
As does the various conspiracy theories involving 9/11, the moon landings, chemtrails, fluoride, vaccinations and global warming.

People who identify as "free thinkers" generally have thinking that is free from logic and facts 


All they have is their opinion, which is easily fixed by objection and ridicule from the "masses".

But in the middle east, you can behead somebody for disagreeing or not abiding by the Islamic "opinion" and be well within your rights to - because having no logic is the law over there.

Notice how nobody ridicules that? It either gets swept under the rug or the excuse used by "apologists" (often born of the dread hippie and commie coupling) is "but it's their CULTURE!!!".
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Reply #26 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 11:15am
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 25th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 25th, 2019 at 12:24pm:
The Reboot wrote on Feb 22nd, 2019 at 6:31pm:
My point is, people that follow their own brand of "religion" (such as those mentioned in the OP) cop a lot of flack that those in organized religions (because hey, it's socially acceptable to be illogical -- only if you believe in Jesus, Allah, or whatever alien deity scientologists worship) What's the difference between conspiracy theorists who obsess over their "truths" and nutcases in churches?


The difference is in the context.
Having wacky ideas about events and people from 2000 years ago is different to having wacky ideas about current events.
When Alex Jones says that the Sandy Hook massacre was "manufactured" by the government and that the grieving relatives were "crisis actors", that has a direct impact on people here today.
As does the various conspiracy theories involving 9/11, the moon landings, chemtrails, fluoride, vaccinations and global warming.

People who identify as "free thinkers" generally have thinking that is free from logic and facts 


Or maybe 'thinking' that is free from Media dominated Western society views.




Welcome back. I thought you were booted into orbit after that drama the other day  Grin
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Reply #27 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 11:47am
 
The Reboot wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 11:14am:
All they have is their opinion, which is easily fixed by objection and ridicule from the "masses".



Tell that to the Sandy Hook parents who were harassed and threatened by Alex Jones' conspiracy nutters



The Reboot wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 11:14am:
But in the middle east, you can behead somebody for disagreeing or not abiding by the Islamic "opinion" and be well within your rights to - because having no logic is the law over there.

Notice how nobody ridicules that? It either gets swept under the rug or the excuse used by "apologists" (often born of the dread hippie and commie coupling) is "but it's their CULTURE!!!".


So this is just another Muslim and leftie bashing thread. You could have saved us all a lot of time by mentioning that at the start.
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Reply #28 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:01pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 11:47am:
The Reboot wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 11:14am:
All they have is their opinion, which is easily fixed by objection and ridicule from the "masses".



Tell that to the Sandy Hook parents who were harassed and threatened by Alex Jones' conspiracy nutters



The Reboot wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 11:14am:
But in the middle east, you can behead somebody for disagreeing or not abiding by the Islamic "opinion" and be well within your rights to - because having no logic is the law over there.

Notice how nobody ridicules that? It either gets swept under the rug or the excuse used by "apologists" (often born of the dread hippie and commie coupling) is "but it's their CULTURE!!!".


So this is just another Muslim and leftie bashing thread. You could have saved us all a lot of time by mentioning that at the start.


No, this thread is to point out how people can get away with certain behaviours depending on what socially approved religion they follow.. whether that be hypocritical leftists siding with the muslims regardless of that group's atrocities, or the bible bashers hiding under the pope's skirt to avoid being held accountable for paedophilia.

Most people see a "difference" between left-wing, right-wing, christianity, islam, but if you look closer you will see it's all the same. As well as the conspiracy theorists who create their own religions and followings... only the conspiracy theorists cop the flack for it, while those who follow what is "socially acceptable" get swept under the rug.



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Reply #29 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:15pm
 
The Reboot wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 12:01pm:
No, this thread is to point out how people can get away with certain behaviours depending on what socially approved religion they follow.. whether that be hypocritical leftists siding with the muslims regardless of that group's atrocities, or the bible bashers hiding under the pope's skirt to avoid being held accountable for paedophilia.



You are making the common association logical fallacy that all Muslims should be condemned for the actions of a few terrorists. And then make the added logical fallacy of assuming that people who defend Muslims (who haven't done anything wrong) are also defending terrorists because apparently there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim.

You are also wrong in stating that no one condemns atrocities such as beheadings.
Lets not forget the young Saudi woman who was granted asylum by Canada recently to protect her.

The middle east is a case proving how important it is to separate Church and State.

So your argument is full of holes
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