gandalf wrote Reply #57 - Yesterday at 7:14pm
Quote:moses, an honest question: do you consider such laws as Dueteronomy 22:13-21 morally unacceptable? If so, how do you reconcile the fact that the same God of post 2019 years ago apparently thought they were acceptable until 2019 years ago? Nay not merely acceptable, but compulsory?
Was pre 2019 BCE humanity really that much different as to require a completely different moral compass to that required by post 2019 BCE humanity?
Dueteronomy 1:1 These be the words which Moses spake unto all Israel on this side Jordan in the wilderness, in the plain over against the Red sea, between Paran, and Tophel, and Laban, and Hazeroth, and Dizahab.
Moses was speaking as a man who preached what mankind accepted as the Mosaic law of the day in those times. (about 3500 years ago)
Yes civilization was cruel and barbaric in those times, the ancient Egyptians used all kinds of torture as their punishment (skinning people alive was a favourite), look at the way the Romans tortured people in the coliseums letting animals tear defenceless humans to bits while still alive, soaking people in tar and setting them alight, crucifying people, all for spectator sport, look at the human sacrifice of those who worshipped baal, mothers who willingly had their first child burnt to death as a sacrifice to baal, look at the human sacrifice of the Aztecs etc.etc.etc..
You asked? Were people different in those times?
I ask, are you fair dinkum? You don't know the difference between civilization in those times and now?
Yes Christ was the one who ushered in the extinction of Mosaic law.
The N.T. teaches that the law achieved nothing, that man cannot be saved or justified by the law.
You are desperately looking for an out for the pure evil in the qur'an gandi, by continually trying to tell us that the ancient outdated & revoked Mosaic law is somehow still relevant.
Your *book* tells you to rape,crucify, torture and kill people gandi, that's the sole reason we have islamic terrorism today 2019.
It's up to you and others, to renounce the multitude of evil in your book gandi (for that is the only way you will ever defeat islamic terrorism).
But that puts you between a rock and a hard spot, you are told that the book with all its' evil intent / content is the unchangeable infallible words of allah.
So instead of doing the right thing and repudiating the evil in the book, you continually look for excuses.
The truth is that muhammad took muslims backwards, you are no further advanced in human rights than the ancient Aztecs, Romans, Egyptians, the worshipers of baal, you're right there with them gandi.
Your problem is exclusively a muslim / islam one gandi, it's got absolutely nothing to do with outdated Mosaic law, Hindu law, Buddhist law, Christianity, witchcraft, paganism etc. etc (You name it here).
Your qur'an is the problem gandi, you'll never solve your predicament until you denounce the evil in it.