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Reply #15 - Feb 24th, 2019 at 5:21pm
 
All our energy issues will soon be over.

Fusion reactors are on the way.  Cool
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Reply #16 - Feb 25th, 2019 at 2:32am
 
But there are some doubters.

why can't we convert ambient heat to electricity?

The reason we don't do it must be either
A. its impossible (laws of thermodynamics?),
B. we haven't got the technology yet -- but which one?

Would it be possible in the future to use something like this to turn ambient heat to electricity?   http://phys.org/news/2012-03-efficiency.html


Read the discussion here and then be less convinced.   https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/122kc0/why_cant_we_convert_ambient_...




But all is not lost as devices actually exist and work it seems.

Thermoelectric ambient energy harvester

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Perpetua Power Puck. Source: Perpetua Power

Thermoelectric generators directly convert waste heat into electricity.

The Perpetua Power Puck is the first to use a thermoelectric semiconductor on a flexible substrate and because they're flexible the pucks - which have pins to disperse excess heat - can conform to curved heat producing surfaces such as hot water pipes or pumps.

Initially the pucks are being marketed as power sources for wireless sensors at sites such as power plants and dams.

Affixing the gadget to a surface just 10 degrees Celsius warmer than the surrounding temperature can produce more than five volts and several hundred microwatts of power, enough for a typical wireless sensor.   

First developed by the US Department of Energy's Pacific Northwest National Laboratory (PNNL), the energy harvester technology was introduced to the private sector when a group of University of Oregon graduate students created a business plan and marketing strategy for the technology through the joint UO/PNNL.

Along with technology veterans from Hewlett-Packard, one of the students founded Perpetua Power to commercialize the technology.

The company received an exclusive license from PNNL to incorporate the technology into its new product called the Perpetua Power Puck™.

It's currently being marketed for industrial automation, military and other uses.   

The Thermoelectric Ambient Energy Harvester produces electricity whenever there is a temperature difference across the device's two ends.

Energy harvesters replace or extend the life of traditional batteries used in wireless sensors or radio frequency transmitters.

Not having to travel to remote locations to check on batteries in equipment that monitors the integrity of dams or pipelines, for example, saves valuable time and money.

Energy harvesters are expected to last as long as the sensors and transmitters they power.   

Engineered to be paired with a wireless sensor module, the Perpetua Power Puck series is designed to provide reliable energy for the life of a wireless system.

Power Pucks can save multiple battery replacement cycles, leading to significant cost savings and reduction of batteries in landfills.

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Reply #17 - Feb 25th, 2019 at 2:13pm
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 23rd, 2019 at 9:25am:
minarchist wrote on Feb 19th, 2019 at 10:47am:
juliar wrote on Feb 19th, 2019 at 5:55am:
This nano-boxx sounds too good to be true.

If it is better than Li Ion batteries then Musky will no doubt fit them to his unsafe Teslas.


While functioning prototypes exists, the company are still wanting to perform experiments relating the structure of the converter. The US DoD are wanting to perform their own tests for the next 2+ years.

I also get the impression that while they have tested and confirmed the functionality of the converter when several are connected together, they have yet to confirm what will happen when they connect several hundred or thousand of the devices together. As for transportation, there isn't any indication how large a converter you would need to run the electric motor of a vehicle in relation to its kW rating. Theoretically, if I have an electric vehicle with a motor with a maximum constant output of 50 kW, then I should only need a Nano-Boxx that will provide an output of 50 kJ/S if its constantly harvesting energy from the surrounding environment. Given that 1 kWH is equal to 3.6 MJ, the converter would only need to weigh 9 grams to provide the energy I need to run the motor at its maximum constant output. Obviously, its not going to weigh that much if it takes 9 devices to power a phone. Even if the converter to run an electric vehicle with a 50 kW motor will need to be 50 kWh, the converter will still weigh only 32 kg, which would be like running a Commodore with a fuel tank two-thirds the size of a Barina fuel tank!

ok a nexus phone battery is 3.8 volts and has a 2300mah  they say it can go 15 hours in "stand by "so 160mah for a hour, so volt x amp = watts would be 3.4v x.160mah = .544 watts
so they us 9 units that .06 watts per each one.
a kilowatt is 1000 watts so they would need 16,600 units ,
for a 50 kw motor they would need 830,000 units...... most cars now are around 120 kw, so they would need about 2 million of the nanos to power a usual family vehicle.....
not sure the weight but it wont be 30 kg's Smiley Wink
The software and hardware to control 2million separate power sources would be quite interesting to say the least. Smiley
If its a constraint power supply i think the picture about amp hours is the confusing thing.... no need for storage just max continuous supply needed....A tesla is about 600kilowatts of power and the voltage is about 500 volts so would need 1200 amps, until they release the voltage and amp of these things we can only go off of Watts Smiley.No mention of weight either but a interest development.
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Juliar posted the following in an earlier post, which is a screen capture from the presentation:

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The information I've come across so far doesn't provide enough information as to how much energy an individual or multiple devices can provide instantaneously for a given application, as you mentioned at the end of your post. I only made the assumption that a Nano-boxx power pack for an electric vehicle with a maximum demand of 50 kW would need a 50 kWh power pack. Using the information from the screen capture, you can see that such a pack would only weigh 32 Kg. In reality, most electric vehicles require about 10 - 15 kW of power per hour to overcome friction, depending on the speed at which the vehicle is travelling at. You're unlikely to reach to maximum output of the motor during regular driving, only when you're accelerating or towing a heavy load.

There is an error in your math calculations in that you're making a calculation for a Nano-boxx to supply 15 hours worth of energy. Given that the Nano-boxx provides energy constantly (for 10 years at least) and obtains energy from ambient heat, a power pack would be based on the ability of an individual Nano-boxx to supply energy instantaneously for a given application. So in the case of a phone battery, it is 9 Nano-boxx units. Using your example of the Nexus battery, a 3.8 V, 2300 mAh device is going to be able to provide 8.74 Wh of energy. Rounding off to 9 Wh, we can assume that each Nano-boxx provides 1 Wh of energy. So a 1 kWh power pack will be made up of 1000 Nano-boxx devices.

Individual control of Nano-boxx devices shouldn't be necessary if they've been built to provide a fixed amount of energy. As a comparison, a large lithium battery for an electric vehicle will be made up of several hundred or thousand lithium battery cells, the same size as you'd have in your phone, connected in series and parallel to provide the rated voltage and energy output of the battery. Large lithium batteries are prone to failure because the failure rate of these cells is about 1 for every 2000. So in the case of lithium battery made up of several hundred or thousand cells, you'd expect a high probability that the battery will fail before the end of its expected useful life. The same thing may apply for the Nano-boxx.
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Reply #18 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 5:35am
 
minarchist wrote on Feb 25th, 2019 at 2:13pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 23rd, 2019 at 9:25am:
minarchist wrote on Feb 19th, 2019 at 10:47am:
juliar wrote on Feb 19th, 2019 at 5:55am:
This nano-boxx sounds too good to be true.

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t. Obviously, its not going to weigh that much if it takes 9 devices to power a phone. Even if the converter to run an electric vehicle with a 50 kW motor will need to be 50 kWh, the converter will still weigh only 32 kg, which would be like running a Commodore with a fuel tank two-thirds the size of a Barina fuel tank!

ok a nexus phone battery is 3.8 volts and has a 2300mah  they say it can go 15 hours in "stand by "so 160mah for a hour, so volt x amp = watts would be 3.4v x.160mah = .544 watts
so they us 9 units that .06 watts per each one.
a kilowatt is 1000 watts so they would need 16,600 units ,
for a 50 kw motor they would need 830,000 units...... most cars now are around 120 kw, so they would need about 2 million of the nanos to power a usual family vehicle.....
not sure the weight but it wont be 30 kg's Smiley Wink
The software and hardware to control 2million separate power sources would be quite interesting to say the least. Smiley
If its a constraint power supply i think the picture about amp hours is the confusing thing.... no need for storage just max continuous supply needed....A tesla is about 600kilowatts of power and the voltage is about 500 volts so would need 1200 amps, until they release the voltage and amp of these things we can only go off of Watts Smiley.No mention of weight either but a interest development.
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Juliar posted the following in an earlier post, which is a screen capture from the presentation:

https://i.postimg.cc/5tfTz5T5/nano-Capture.png

The information I've come across so far doesn't provide enough information as to how much energy an individual or multiple devices can provide instantaneously for a given application, as you mentioned at the end of your post. I only made the assumption that a Nano-boxx power pack for an electric vehicle with a maximum demand of 50 kW would need a 50 kWh power pack. Using the information from the screen capture, you can see that such a pack would only weigh 32 Kg. In reality, most electric vehicles require about 10 - 15 kW of power per hour to overcome friction, depending on the speed at which the vehicle is travelling at. You're unlikely to reach to maximum output of the motor during regular driving, only when you're accelerating or towing a heavy load.

There is an error in your math calculations in that you're making a calculation for a Nano-boxx to supply 15 hours worth of energy. Given that the Nano-boxx provides energy constantly (for 10 years at least) and obtains energy from ambient heat, a power pack would be based on the ability of an individual Nano-boxx to supply energy instantaneously for a given application. So in the case of a phone battery, it is 9 Nano-boxx units. Using your example of the Nexus battery, a 3.8 V, 2300 mAh device is going to be able to provide 8.74 Wh of energy. Rounding off to 9 Wh, we can assume that each Nano-boxx provides 1 Wh of energy. So a 1 kWh power pack will be made up of 1000 Nano-boxx devices.

Individual control of Nano-boxx devices shouldn't be necessary if they've been built to provide a fixed amount of energy. As a comparison, a large lithium battery for an electric vehicle will be made up of several hundred or thousand lithium battery cells, the same size as you'd have in your phone, connected in series and parallel to provide the rated voltage and energy output of the battery. Large lithium batteries are prone to failure because the failure rate of these cells is about 1 for every 2000. So in the case of lithium battery made up of several hundred or thousand cells, you'd expect a high probability that the battery will fail before the end of its expected useful life. The same thing may apply for the Nano-boxx.


As the nano's r a energy generator and not a energy storage , KWH wont be used at all and I think that's the confusion of the picture.
They would have a KW output with so many Volts and AMP's.. The picture doesn't make sense.
I did take the 15 hours into account (2300 divided by 15 is 160 ). That's really the only way to find how much energy the phone uses.
As a power source you need enough for the full power of the motor.... If they combine the nano's with battery storage It will probable work better as no one drives a car 24 hours a day and when your not using the vehicle it can charge its own batteries and wont need so many.

Yes if they become viable it will be interesting to see their failure rate and how they compensate for it. Wink
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Reply #19 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 5:37am
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 26th, 2019 at 5:35am:
minarchist wrote on Feb 25th, 2019 at 2:13pm:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 23rd, 2019 at 9:25am:
minarchist wrote on Feb 19th, 2019 at 10:47am:
juliar wrote on Feb 19th, 2019 at 5:55am:
This nano-boxx sounds too good to be true.

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t. Obviously, its not going to weigh that much if it takes 9 devices to power a phone. Even if the converter to run an electric vehicle with a 50 kW motor will need to be 50 kWh, the converter will still weigh only 32 kg, which would be like running a Commodore with a fuel tank two-thirds the size of a Barina fuel tank!

ok a nexus phone battery is 3.8 volts and has a 2300mah  they say it can go 15 hours in "stand by "so 160mah for a hour, so volt x amp = watts would be 3.4v x.160mah = .544 watts
so they us 9 units that .06 watts per each one.
a kilowatt is 1000 watts so they would need 16,600 units ,
for a 50 kw motor they would need 830,000 units...... most cars now are around 120 kw, so they would need about 2 million of the nanos to power a usual family vehicle.....
not sure the weight but it wont be 30 kg's Smiley Wink
The software and hardware to control 2million separate power sources would be quite interesting to say the least. Smiley
If its a constraint power supply i think the picture about amp hours is the confusing thing.... no need for storage just max continuous supply needed....A tesla is about 600kilowatts of power and the voltage is about 500 volts so would need 1200 amps, until they release the voltage and amp of these things we can only go off of Watts Smiley.No mention of weight either but a interest development.
Wink


Juliar posted the following in an earlier post, which is a screen capture from the presentation:

https://i.postimg.cc/5tfTz5T5/nano-Capture.png

The information I've come across so far doesn't provide enough information as to how much energy an individual or multiple devices can provide instantaneously for a given application, as you mentioned at the end of your post. I only made the assumption that a Nano-boxx power pack for an electric vehicle with a maximum demand of 50 kW would need a 50 kWh power pack. Using the information from the screen capture, you can see that such a pack would only weigh 32 Kg. In reality, most electric vehicles require about 10 - 15 kW of power per hour to overcome friction, depending on the speed at which the vehicle is travelling at. You're unlikely to reach to maximum output of the motor during regular driving, only when you're accelerating or towing a heavy load.

There is an error in your math calculations in that you're making a calculation for a Nano-boxx to supply 15 hours worth of energy. Given that the Nano-boxx provides energy constantly (for 10 years at least) and obtains energy from ambient heat, a power pack would be based on the ability of an individual Nano-boxx to supply energy instantaneously for a given application. So in the case of a phone battery, it is 9 Nano-boxx units. Using your example of the Nexus battery, a 3.8 V, 2300 mAh device is going to be able to provide 8.74 Wh of energy. Rounding off to 9 Wh, we can assume that each Nano-boxx provides 1 Wh of energy. So a 1 kWh power pack will be made up of 1000 Nano-boxx devices.

Individual control of Nano-boxx devices shouldn't be necessary if they've been built to provide a fixed amount of energy. As a comparison, a large lithium battery for an electric vehicle will be made up of several hundred or thousand lithium battery cells, the same size as you'd have in your phone, connected in series and parallel to provide the rated voltage and energy output of the battery. Large lithium batteries are prone to failure because the failure rate of these cells is about 1 for every 2000. So in the case of lithium battery made up of several hundred or thousand cells, you'd expect a high probability that the battery will fail before the end of its expected useful life. The same thing may apply for the Nano-boxx.


As the nano's r a energy generator and not a energy storage , KWH wont be used at all and I think that's the confusion of the picture. Think of a little petrol Generator they never quote KWH or amp hours its just the KVA rating or KW rating.
They would have a KW output with so many Volts and AMP's.. The picture doesn't make sense.
I did take the 15 hours into account (2300 divided by 15 is 160 ). That's really the only way to find how much energy the phone uses.
As a power source you need enough for the full power of the motor.... If they combine the nano's with battery storage It will probable work better as no one drives a car 24 hours a day and when your not using the vehicle it can charge its own batteries and wont need so many.

Yes if they become viable it will be interesting to see their failure rate and how they compensate for it. Wink

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Reply #20 - Feb 26th, 2019 at 7:12am
 
The looney Greeny Tweedledum is trying to make energy from the ambient heat of her overheated "mind" which was overheated by Global Warming and rendered functionless by exposure to high concentrations of dangerous poisonous Carbon Dioxide gas.

Is she going to use that energy to campaign for the Greenies ?

Back to reality and sanity and another ambient energy scavenging system that actually works in the lab by sucking electromagnetic energy from the ether - shades of Tesla who would be cheering from his grave.



Ambient Energy Harnessed for Small Electronic Devices
2011-07-07 11:40:00Article ID: 578460

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Georgia Tech School of Electrical and Computer Engineering professor Manos Tentzeris displays an inkjet-printed rectifying antenna used to convert microwave energy to DC power. This grid was printed on flexible Kapton material and is expected to operate with frequencies as high as 10 gigahertz when complete. Credit: Georgia Tech Photo: Gary Meek

Researchers have discovered a way to capture and harness energy transmitted by such sources as radio and television transmitters, cell phone networks and satellite communications systems. By scavenging this ambient energy from the air around us, the technique could provide a new way to power networks of wireless sensors, microprocessors and communications chips.

“There is a large amount of electromagnetic energy all around us, but nobody has been able to tap into it,” said Manos Tentzeris, a professor in the Georgia Tech School of Electrical and Computer Engineering who is leading the research. “We are using an ultra-wideband antenna that lets us exploit a variety of signals in different frequency ranges, giving us greatly increased power-gathering capability.”

Tentzeris and his team are using inkjet printers to combine sensors, antennas and energy scavenging capabilities on paper or flexible polymers. The resulting self powered wireless sensors could be used for chemical, biological, heat and stress sensing for defense and industry; radio-frequency identification (RFID) tagging for manufacturing and shipping, and monitoring tasks in many fields including communications and power usage.

A presentation on this energy scavenging technology was given July 6 at the IEEE Antennas and Propagation Symposium in Spokane, Wash. The discovery is based on research supported by multiple sponsors, including the National Science Foundation, the Federal Highway Administration and Japan’s New Energy and Industrial Technology Development Organization (NEDO).

Communications devices transmit energy in many different frequency ranges, or bands. The team’s scavenging devices can capture this energy, convert it from AC to DC, and then store it in capacitors and batteries. The scavenging technology can take advantage presently of frequencies from FM radio to radar, a range spanning 100 megahertz (MHz) to 15 gigahertz (GHz) or higher.

Scavenging experiments utilizing TV bands have already yielded power amounting to hundreds of microwatts, and multi-band systems are expected to generate one milliwatt or more. That amount of power is enough to operate many small electronic devices, including a variety of sensors and microprocessors.

And by combining energy scavenging technology with supercapacitors and cycled operation, the Georgia Tech team expects to power devices requiring above 50 milliwatts. In this approach, energy builds up in a battery-like supercapacitor and is utilized when the required power level is reached.

The researchers have already successfully operated a temperature sensor using electromagnetic energy captured from a television station that was half a kilometer distant. They are preparing another demonstration in which a microprocessor-based microcontroller would be activated simply by holding it in the air.

Exploiting a range of electromagnetic bands increases the dependability of energy scavenging devices, explained Tentzeris, who is also a faculty researcher in the Georgia Electronic Design Center at Georgia Tech. If one frequency range fades temporarily due to usage variations, the system can still exploit other frequencies.

The scavenging device could be used by itself or in tandem with other generating technologies. For example, scavenged energy could assist a solar element to charge a battery during the day. At night, when solar cells don’t provide power, scavenged energy would continue to increase the battery charge or would prevent discharging.

Utilizing ambient electromagnetic energy could also provide a form of system backup. If a battery or a solar-collector/battery package failed completely, scavenged energy could allow the system to transmit a wireless distress signal while also potentially maintaining critical functionalities.

The researchers are utilizing inkjet technology to print these energy scavenging devices on paper or flexible paper-like polymers – a technique they already using to produce sensors and antennas. The result would be paper-based wireless sensors that are self-powered, low cost and able to function independently almost anywhere.

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https://www.newswise.com/doescience/?article_id=578460
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Reply #21 - Feb 27th, 2019 at 2:59pm
 
The interesting thing is does the Nano-Boxx use the difference between two temperatures or does it magically use the energy from a single heat source ?

Have they discovered Maxwell's Demon and found a way thru the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics ?

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In a minimalistic implementation of Maxwell’s demon, two interacting quantum dots are connected to thermal reservoirs, where one dot takes the role of the demon and the other that of the controlled system. Physicists have theoretically shown that the demon can modify the controlled system’s entropy production. Credit: Philipp Strasberg, et al. ©2013 American Physical Society


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Reply #22 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 5:03am
 
Yes sounds very perpetual motion doesn't it..... Wink
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Reply #23 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 8:59am
 
How ludicrous can you get ? The warped Greeny Tweedledee with the addled mind trying to fake intellectualism!!

But ignoring as usual the weird Greeny twit and getting back to the TOPIC.

It seems after all that it is all fair dinkum as this article explains.


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Schematic of a basic thermionic converter.

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Mechanism for electron escape in thermionic power conversion
(A) The electric field lines for an electron near the surface of a metal.
(B) Electric field lines for an image charge +e and an electron at equal distances on either side of x = 0. The field for x greater than zero is identical with the field A.


Thermionic power converter
WRITTEN BY: Leighton E. Sissom G. Ralph Strohl

Thermionic power converter, also called thermionic generator, thermionic power generator, or thermoelectric engine, any of a class of devices that convert heat directly into electricity using thermionic emission rather than first changing it to some other form of energy.

A thermionic power converter has two electrodes. One of these is raised to a sufficiently high temperature to become a thermionic electron emitter, or “hot plate.” The other electrode, called a collector because it receives the emitted electrons, is operated at a significantly lower temperature. The space between the electrodes is sometimes a vacuum but is normally filled with a vapour or gas at low pressure. The thermal energy may be supplied by chemical, solar, or nuclear sources. Thermionic converters are solid-state devices with no moving parts. They can be designed for high reliability and long service life. Thus, thermionic converters have been used in many spacecraft.

Emission of electrons from a hot plate is analogous to the liberation of steam particles when water is heated. These emitted electrons flow toward the collector, and the circuit can be completed by interconnecting the two electrodes by an external load, shown as a resistor in the figure. Part of the thermal energy that is supplied to liberate the electrons is converted directly into electrical energy, while some of the thermal energy heats the collector and must be removed.

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Reply #24 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:08am
 
Once you dig deeper there are reams of stuff about this technique.

But it is not easy to understand as it quickly gets very technical but then NASA is involved and you need an IQ > 150 to even be allowed to enter the NASA front door.



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https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmech.2017.00013/full




Now in Japan they reckon they have made one.

Turning background room temperature heat into energy
February 15, 2018, University of Tsukuba

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Crystal structure. Credit: Univetsity of Tsukuba

Every time we convert energy from one form to another, part of that energy is lost in the form of heat. Trying to efficiently get that energy back is very difficult once it is lost to the environment. Thermoelectric devices can change heat energy into electricity, and vice versa. But to capture energy from heat efficiently, these devices typically need to work at high temperatures with a large temperature difference.


Now researchers centered at Japan's University of Tsukuba have developed a new kind of thermoelectric system that can harness small energy differences at low temperatures. They recently reported their results in Applied Physics Express.

"Thermoelectric batteries like ours have been proposed before, but those have been based on liquid-based cells, which are impractical for real-world applications. We created a thin-film device that operates on the same principle but with two types of solid redox material that produce a change in the potential difference in the cell over a heating and cooling cycle," says first author Takayuki Shibata.

Changing the temperature alters the ability of different layers in the device to hold on to electrons. If one layer has a greater affinity for electrons that another, this creates a potential difference. The flow of electrons from one layer to the other can then be harnessed to do work as the cell is discharged, in the same way that a normal battery works.

The researchers tested their devices for harvesting waste heat energy near room temperature. Their device produced an electrical energy of 2.3 meV per heat cycle between around 25 and 50 degrees Celsius. This result reflected an efficiency of around 1.0 percent, although the theoretical maximum for this device should be around 8.7 percent.

Corresponding author Yutaka Moritomo says, "We still have some work to do on improving the efficiency, but we expect that these issues will be overcome by optimizing the anode and cathode materials. Importantly, we have shown that solid-state thermoelectric batteries are viable and our film deposition method could be extended to large areas. This technology offers realistic prospects for large-scale heat energy recovery, which could be help a range of industries become more efficient."


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Reply #25 - Feb 28th, 2019 at 11:29am
 
Some more explanation of this technique but things quickly get quite complex delving into atoms and electrons etc.

But it certainly seems it is all fair dinkum and has already been used in space exploration.

When will Musky fit out his unsafe Teslas with these new gadgets ?



Overview of the Technology
DEVICE PHYSICS

Thermionic energy conversion is a process that converts heat directly into electrical power. In its most elementary form, a thermionic converter consists of two metal electrodes separated by a narrow gap (see Figures 3.1 and 3.2).

One of the electrodes, called the emitter, is held at a high temperature, typically 1800 to 2000 K.

The other electrode, called the collector, is held at a lower temperature, typically 900 to 1000 K. The emitter emits electrons into the gap and the lower temperature collector absorbs them. The binding energies of

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FIGURE 3.1 Basic thermionic converter schematic.

SOURCE: L.Begg, General Atomics, presentation to the Committee on Thermionic Research and Technology, August 2000.

the emitter and collector surfaces that act on electrons are known as the work functions of the electrode surfaces. The electrons absorbed by the collector produce a usable electrical current as they return to the emitter through an external circuit. Electrical power is produced by virtue of the potential difference between the emitter and collector.

Lots more that gets deeper and deeper.

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Reply #26 - Mar 7th, 2019 at 5:31pm
 
So we are led to beleive there are tens of kws of 'ambient heat' that can be easily turned into power?

it will be lucky enough to power a torch.

It masqerades as a 'cooler' something that doesnt really exist.
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Reply #27 - Mar 8th, 2019 at 10:56am
 
LongWeekend,

But it DOES exist and has been used in space exploration many times.

The trick is to discover the right combination of elements to get the effect to happen at room temperature.

It is relatively easy to get it to happen say near an exhaust pipe.
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Re: 24/7 electric power using only ambient heat
Reply #28 - Mar 9th, 2019 at 12:06am
 
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The 2025 election could be a shocker.
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Re: 24/7 electric power using only ambient heat
Reply #29 - Mar 13th, 2019 at 12:11pm
 
Does Capt Nemo think Global Warming is a source of energy ?
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