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Reply #90 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:25pm
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 11:54am:
Bam wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 11:51am:
It's ludicrous nonsense that retirees on part pensions lose 50 cents in the dollar for every extra dollar they earn, while retirees on far more generous incomes get to keep almost all of their tax-free income. It is blatantly unfair and it's time it was looked at.

A fairer system: abolish the means tests for the aged pension, abolish the tax breaks for self-funded retirees. Everyone of pension age gets the aged pension when they retire, with all the pension benefits, tax free. Any extra income is taxed normally (the first $18200 is not taxed due to the tax free threshold, etc.)


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If the Math worked I think they would do this however considering how much better off funded retirees would be I doubt that it is affordable.
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Reply #91 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:26pm
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 11:54am:
Bam wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 11:51am:
It's ludicrous nonsense that retirees on part pensions lose 50 cents in the dollar for every extra dollar they earn, while retirees on far more generous incomes get to keep almost all of their tax-free income. It is blatantly unfair and it's time it was looked at.

A fairer system: abolish the means tests for the aged pension, abolish the tax breaks for self-funded retirees. Everyone of pension age gets the aged pension when they retire, with all the pension benefits, tax free. Any extra income is taxed normally (the first $18200 is not taxed due to the tax free threshold, etc.)


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That's three votes for sense... been pushing that exact line on the senior's forum for ages now - getting a few turned over to the Light Side....

Politicians won't come at this because it will chop their over-fat retirement packages.... they earned it, don' cha know?
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Reply #92 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:34pm
 
PZ547 wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 11:45am:
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Well, it's Shorten's TURN

You can't expect the LNP to shoulder the entire burden of destroying what's left of Oz


They take it in turns.  Pass the Parcel.  Musical Chairs




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Reply #93 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 5:36pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
If the Math worked I think they would do this however considering how much better off funded retirees would be I doubt that it is affordable.


we try to save $18k a year by not giving gine rhinehart the pension, and at the same time we allow her to have hundreds of thousands in income tax free because she has good accountants who know how to work the loopholes. Stuff that, give everyone the pension, then tax every single dollar over the threshold regardless of if it is in super funds, whether it's paid out as franked dividends, or whatever other scam they have going to avoid taxes..
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Reply #94 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:13pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 11:54am:
Bam wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 11:51am:
It's ludicrous nonsense that retirees on part pensions lose 50 cents in the dollar for every extra dollar they earn, while retirees on far more generous incomes get to keep almost all of their tax-free income. It is blatantly unfair and it's time it was looked at.

A fairer system: abolish the means tests for the aged pension, abolish the tax breaks for self-funded retirees. Everyone of pension age gets the aged pension when they retire, with all the pension benefits, tax free. Any extra income is taxed normally (the first $18200 is not taxed due to the tax free threshold, etc.)


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If the Math worked I think they would do this however considering how much better off funded retirees would be I doubt that it is affordable.

I think it would save a few billion a year. If I understand it correctly, the tax breaks for self-funded retirees costs the Budget more than the aged pension they're not getting and this gap is increasing over time. These savings should be returned to the aged as some combination of a higher payment for the aged pension, more funding for aged care and more funding for health care for the aged.

The government would save money through lower administration costs. Annual tax returns are cheaper to administer than Centrelink's more frequent reporting.
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Reply #95 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:13pm
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 5:36pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
If the Math worked I think they would do this however considering how much better off funded retirees would be I doubt that it is affordable.


we try to save $18k a year by not giving gine rhinehart the pension, and at the same time we allow her to have hundreds of thousands in income tax free because she has good accountants who know how to work the loopholes. Stuff that, give everyone the pension, then tax every single dollar over the threshold regardless of if it is in super funds, whether it's paid out as franked dividends, or whatever other scam they have going to avoid taxes..


Must be two Gina Rineharts here


Gina Rinehart 'pays more tax than any other Australian'
By Brad Thompson
Updated Nov 1, 2018 — 3.24pm,
first published at 10.49am

Iron ore magnate and company tax cut advocate Gina Rinehart says she is now Australia's single-biggest taxpayer after her private company reported a big jump in annual profit to $1.37 billion.
Hancock Prospecting's profits increased by 28 per cent in 2017-18 and it paid $860 million in federal and state taxes, up from $698 million last year.
The company's flagship $US10 billion ($14.05 billion) Roy Hill iron ore project in Western Australia was a big contributor as revenue increased from $4.45 billion to more than $6 billion.

Gina Rinehart credits Donald Trump for reviving the American economy by slashing corporate tax rates. Supplied
Hancock Prospecting has paid almost $5 billion in taxes over the past eight years and the company highlighted the contribution made by Mrs Rinehart in a statement accompanying the annual results.
"Mrs Gina Rinehart, personally and through HPPL (Hancock Prospecting) private group, pays more tax than any other Australian," it said.

"Mrs Rinehart continues to primarily direct investment into Australia and pays substantial taxation in Australia, while providing employment and opportunities for many thousands of Australians, directly and indirectly."
The daughter of iron ore industry trailblazer Lang Hancock regularly speaks out in favour of cuts in company taxes and red tape to boost the Australian economy.
She is also a fan of Donald Trump's tax policies and credits him for reviving the American economy by slashing the corporate tax rate from 35 per cent to 21 per cent.
Hancock Prospecting is yet to receive any dividends from Roy Hill, which achieved its 55 million tonne a year nameplate capacity in September last year, with cash flow from the project being used to pay down debt by about $800 million.
Legal battles
The three Hope Downs mines, subject to a partnership agreement with Rio Tinto that sees royalties flow to Hancock Prospecting, operated at or above nameplate capacity of 45 million tonnes.
Hancock Prospecting said the average iron ore price achieved was virtually unchanged on the previous year, with Roy Hill remaining immune from substantial discounting in the price of lower grades.
"The impact on ore produced by Roy Hill, which is priced on the higher 62 per cent index was much more limited, with Roy Hill continuing to achieve more than 90 per cent of the 62 per cent Platts index on average over the year," it said.
Mrs Rinehart's continuing legal battles with two of her four children and with the heirs of Lang Hancock's former business partner Peter Wright cast some shadow over the annual results.
Although Hancock Prospecting paid $191 million in dividends another additional $338 million was set side and payment delayed because of the dispute with her two eldest children, John Hancock and Bianca Rinehart, related to the Hope Margaret Hancock Trust.
The dispute is now in arbitration after action in the Federal Court but, in the meantime, Hancock Prospecting said under the terms of the deed it had increased the provision for unpaid dividends to $1.24 billion at September 30.
The annual results also refer to Supreme Court action by Wright Prospecting over royalties from the Hope Downs mining operations and for a part-ownership in mining tenements formerly known as East Angelas and now known as Hope Downs 4, 5 and 6.
Hancock Prospecting's Australian Outback Beef, the owner of the S. Kidman & Co cattle empire purchased for $387 million in late 2016, increased its revenue to $51.1 million with underlying next profit after tax of $10.1 million.
The company described itself as the most successful private mining and agriculture company in Australia's history and said it would continue to look at more acquisitions in those sectors.
It recently acquired junior miner Atlas Iron after staring down Andrew Forrest's Fortescue Metals Group, advanced the first $US250 million tranche of its investment in UK-based potash mine developer Sirius Minerals and paid about $69 million for a 19.9 per cent stake in Riversdale Resources, the owner of the Grassy Mountain hard coking coal project in Canada.
Hancock Prospecting said it was investing in exploration and evaluation of wholly owned iron ore projects and on future Hope Downs mines with joint venture partner Rio Tinto.

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Reply #96 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:19pm
 
crocodile wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:13pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 5:36pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
If the Math worked I think they would do this however considering how much better off funded retirees would be I doubt that it is affordable.


we try to save $18k a year by not giving gine rhinehart the pension, and at the same time we allow her to have hundreds of thousands in income tax free because she has good accountants who know how to work the loopholes. Stuff that, give everyone the pension, then tax every single dollar over the threshold regardless of if it is in super funds, whether it's paid out as franked dividends, or whatever other scam they have going to avoid taxes..


Must be two Gina Rineharts here

https://www.afr.com/business/gina-rinehart-says-she-pays-more-tax-than-any-other...



no one said she didn't pay some taxes croc.  Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #97 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:26pm
 
John Smith wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:19pm:
crocodile wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 6:13pm:
John Smith wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 5:36pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:25pm:
If the Math worked I think they would do this however considering how much better off funded retirees would be I doubt that it is affordable.


we try to save $18k a year by not giving gine rhinehart the pension, and at the same time we allow her to have hundreds of thousands in income tax free because she has good accountants who know how to work the loopholes. Stuff that, give everyone the pension, then tax every single dollar over the threshold regardless of if it is in super funds, whether it's paid out as franked dividends, or whatever other scam they have going to avoid taxes..


Must be two Gina Rineharts here

https://www.afr.com/business/gina-rinehart-says-she-pays-more-tax-than-any-other...



no one said she didn't pay some taxes croc.  Cheesy Cheesy


The country's largest taxpayer. $860 million of it. Beaten only by large public corporations. Dodgy accountants my arse.

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Reply #98 - Feb 11th, 2019 at 5:38am
 
One thing everyone agrees on is that Shorten would be the WORST PM in AUSTRALIA's HISTORY.

Labor nearly ruined Australia during their last six sick years of Socialist waste and disgrace and shame.

Now they are preparing to finish the job.
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