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Re: Shorten will destroy Australia
Reply #60 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:59pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:14am:

Australia is stuffed because we've had the libs in govt. for most of the last 20 years. Labor needs to stay in govt. for 3 or 4 terms to start to swing things around.

Shorten, if he gets in, will be 10 times worse than Rudd Gillard Swan.

If Australia elects him then it will elect its own Merkel/Macron/Soros government that will do irreparable damage to Australia. Recovering from Rudd/Gillard has not happened because the Libs are almost as stupid and destructive as Labor.

A Shorten governemt's only positive will be that it it will generate a new political party and movement to replace the lib/nats who have been so useless and Labor-lite.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 78165 Gender:	Re: Shorten will destroy Australia Reply #61 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 6:10pm Frank wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:59pm: Shorten, if he gets in, will be 10 times worse than Rudd Gillard Swan. Rudd/Gillard Swan were great for the country. Better than anything else the libs have put up in decades. Even if Rudd was ruled by his ego. Their only problem was that Murdoch didn't like them
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Reply #62 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:06pm

Frank wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:14am:

Australia is stuffed because we've had the libs in govt. for most of the last 20 years. Labor needs to stay in govt. for 3 or 4 terms to start to swing things around.

Shorten, if he gets in, will be 10 times worse than Rudd Gillard Swan.

If Australia elects him then it will elect its own Merkel/Macron/Soros government that will do irreparable damage to Australia. Recovering from Rudd/Gillard has not happened because the Libs are almost as stupid and destructive as Labor.

A Shorten governemt's only positive will be that it it will generate a new political party and movement to replace the lib/nats who have been so useless and Labor-lite.

I agree that it is unlikely for Shorten to be as good as Rudd Gillard (Swan).

However there is no doubt that the Lib Trio have failed that same test.

IMO the Shorten government if elected will depend on the team for their economic performance. There is at least a reasonable prospect of them being far superior to the current Liberals.

The riskier prospect is them being about the same as the current Libs - that would be a failure but no worse off than election Slo mo for another term.

In this case maintaining the status quo (the Libs) means rewarding failure and expecting more of the same.

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Re: Shorten will destroy Australia
Reply #63 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:22pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 6:10pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

Shorten, if he gets in, will be 10 times worse than Rudd Gillard Swan.

Rudd/Gillard Swan were great for the country. Better than anything else the libs have put up in decades. Even if Rudd was ruled by his ego.
Their only problem was that Murdoch didn't like them

I still miss Gillard.

Best PM we've had for quite a while.

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Re: Shorten will destroy Australia
Reply #64 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 6:10pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

Shorten, if he gets in, will be 10 times worse than Rudd Gillard Swan.

Rudd/Gillard Swan were great for the country. Better than anything else the libs have put up in decades. Even if Rudd was ruled by his ego.
Their only problem was that Murdoch didn't like them

I still miss Gillard.

Best PM we've had for quite a while.

Yeah, best looking PM but nothing else.

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Reply #65 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:50pm

Johnnie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 6:10pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

Shorten, if he gets in, will be 10 times worse than Rudd Gillard Swan.

Rudd/Gillard Swan were great for the country. Better than anything else the libs have put up in decades. Even if Rudd was ruled by his ego.
Their only problem was that Murdoch didn't like them

I still miss Gillard.

Best PM we've had for quite a while.

Yeah, best looking PM but nothing else.

She achieved a great deal.

If she was PM now, we'd be in a much, much better place.

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Re: Shorten will destroy Australia
Reply #66 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:50pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 6:10pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

Shorten, if he gets in, will be 10 times worse than Rudd Gillard Swan.

Rudd/Gillard Swan were great for the country. Better than anything else the libs have put up in decades. Even if Rudd was ruled by his ego.
Their only problem was that Murdoch didn't like them

I still miss Gillard.

Best PM we've had for quite a while.

Yeah, best looking PM but nothing else.

She achieved a great deal.

If she was PM now, we'd be in a much, much better place.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #67 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:50pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 6:10pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

Shorten, if he gets in, will be 10 times worse than Rudd Gillard Swan.

Rudd/Gillard Swan were great for the country. Better than anything else the libs have put up in decades. Even if Rudd was ruled by his ego.
Their only problem was that Murdoch didn't like them

I still miss Gillard.

Best PM we've had for quite a while.

Yeah, best looking PM but nothing else.

She achieved a great deal.

If she was PM now, we'd be in a much, much better place.

I reckon we would we would be up the creek without a paddle, no offence. I would have rooted her in her hay day, maybe even now.

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Re: Shorten will destroy Australia
Reply #68 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:54pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:50pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 6:10pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

Shorten, if he gets in, will be 10 times worse than Rudd Gillard Swan.

Rudd/Gillard Swan were great for the country. Better than anything else the libs have put up in decades. Even if Rudd was ruled by his ego.
Their only problem was that Murdoch didn't like them

I still miss Gillard.

Best PM we've had for quite a while.

Yeah, best looking PM but nothing else.

She achieved a great deal.

If she was PM now, we'd be in a much, much better place.

The best since Keating, she has achieved more single handidly than the four drongos that have proceeded her

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Re: Shorten will destroy Australia
Reply #69 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:55pm

Johnnie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:50pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 6:10pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

Shorten, if he gets in, will be 10 times worse than Rudd Gillard Swan.

Rudd/Gillard Swan were great for the country. Better than anything else the libs have put up in decades. Even if Rudd was ruled by his ego.
Their only problem was that Murdoch didn't like them

I still miss Gillard.

Best PM we've had for quite a while.

Yeah, best looking PM but nothing else.

She achieved a great deal.

If she was PM now, we'd be in a much, much better place.

I reckon we would we would be up the creek without a paddle, no offence. I would have rooted her in her day, maybe even now.

As if she'd have given you a second glance Grin

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Re: Shorten will destroy Australia
Reply #70 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:56pm

Its time wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:50pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 6:10pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

Shorten, if he gets in, will be 10 times worse than Rudd Gillard Swan.

Rudd/Gillard Swan were great for the country. Better than anything else the libs have put up in decades. Even if Rudd was ruled by his ego.
Their only problem was that Murdoch didn't like them

I still miss Gillard.

Best PM we've had for quite a while.

Yeah, best looking PM but nothing else.

She achieved a great deal.

If she was PM now, we'd be in a much, much better place.

The best since Keating, she has achieved more single handidly than the four drongos that have proceeded her

Indeed.

A truly underrated politician.

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Reply #71 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:56pm:

Its time wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:54pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:50pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:22pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 6:10pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:59pm:

Shorten, if he gets in, will be 10 times worse than Rudd Gillard Swan.

Rudd/Gillard Swan were great for the country. Better than anything else the libs have put up in decades. Even if Rudd was ruled by his ego.
Their only problem was that Murdoch didn't like them

I still miss Gillard.

Best PM we've had for quite a while.

Yeah, best looking PM but nothing else.

She achieved a great deal.

If she was PM now, we'd be in a much, much better place.

The best since Keating, she has achieved more single handidly than the four drongos that have proceeded her

Indeed.

A truly underrated politician.

In what way, she was a wench!

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Re: Shorten will destroy Australia
Reply #72 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:13pm

Johnnie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:21pm:

crocodile wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:05pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 3:03pm:

crocodile wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 2:16pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:05am:

Ajax wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 10:36am:

Australia was ruined from the Hawke Keating government when they opened the flood gates to the oligarchy, globalization and free trade.

And every government since after those two traitors.

Hang'em high.............. Angry

Hang em higher.

Send em all on a taxpayer funded excursion to Yemen so they can have a first hand look at the type of culture these traitors are bringing to our shores.

Josh Frydenberg said yesterday the cities are bursting at the seams and he plans to start sending them to regional areas where resources are already stretched to the limit and the bad roads are killing people.
Well at least it will give the youngsters something to do,, form gangs and fight. We don't want them here.

When this election campaign ramps up it will be all about immigration.

Simple solution, STOP IMMIGRATION.

What plan would you have in place for the aging population conundrum. Walk the plank at 70 perhaps.

The population of Hobart is flooding into Australia every year with minimal infrastructure allowances, Morrison said he would build a new road yesterday so that may alleviate the problem, better still just send them out into the regional areas.

We should decide who comes here and how many of them, not the bipartisan bitches in cahoots.

We are full until further notice.

How does that sort out an aging population problem. As the population ages it leaves a smaller proportion of the population of working age.

1977 - people over 65 = 9%
2017 - people over 65 = 15%
2077 - people over 65 = 24%

How is a comparatively smaller population going to produce all of the goods and services for the entire population.

We could:

Extend the retirement age. Nobody likes that idea.
Euthanise old people. Can't see that.
Shag more. Good luck but a lot of shagging needed
Increase productivity. It's been declining for 20 years and no end in sight.
Import people. The Neanderthals don't like that idea either.

If you have any other ideas, forward them to Sweden for your Nobel prize.

Sweden is having their own problems with immigration as is the rest of Europe, so I wont bother them.

Stop immigration until infrastructure catches up and don't just push them out into the underprepared regional areas.

We should be the richest country on earth, we have everything in abundance. We should all be living like kings and retiring at 40, mismanagement and sellout is crippling us and mass immigration is not the answer.

Unfortunately that doesn't address the central issue. How does a smaller comparative labour force produce increased output. Every way you look at the problem you will find that you will need more physical labour to actually produce the goods and services for the consumers as the number of non labour participants grows. Cutting immigration until a few boondongles are built exacerbates a problem that is more serious than realised.

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Reply #73 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:22pm

crocodile wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:13pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:21pm:

crocodile wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:05pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 3:03pm:

crocodile wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 2:16pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:05am:

Ajax wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 10:36am:

Australia was ruined from the Hawke Keating government when they opened the flood gates to the oligarchy, globalization and free trade.

And every government since after those two traitors.

Hang'em high.............. Angry

Hang em higher.

Send em all on a taxpayer funded excursion to Yemen so they can have a first hand look at the type of culture these traitors are bringing to our shores.

Josh Frydenberg said yesterday the cities are bursting at the seams and he plans to start sending them to regional areas where resources are already stretched to the limit and the bad roads are killing people.
Well at least it will give the youngsters something to do,, form gangs and fight. We don't want them here.

When this election campaign ramps up it will be all about immigration.

Simple solution, STOP IMMIGRATION.

What plan would you have in place for the aging population conundrum. Walk the plank at 70 perhaps.

The population of Hobart is flooding into Australia every year with minimal infrastructure allowances, Morrison said he would build a new road yesterday so that may alleviate the problem, better still just send them out into the regional areas.

We should decide who comes here and how many of them, not the bipartisan bitches in cahoots.

We are full until further notice.

How does that sort out an aging population problem. As the population ages it leaves a smaller proportion of the population of working age.

1977 - people over 65 = 9%
2017 - people over 65 = 15%
2077 - people over 65 = 24%

How is a comparatively smaller population going to produce all of the goods and services for the entire population.

We could:

Extend the retirement age. Nobody likes that idea.
Euthanise old people. Can't see that.
Shag more. Good luck but a lot of shagging needed
Increase productivity. It's been declining for 20 years and no end in sight.
Import people. The Neanderthals don't like that idea either.

If you have any other ideas, forward them to Sweden for your Nobel prize.

Sweden is having their own problems with immigration as is the rest of Europe, so I wont bother them.

Stop immigration until infrastructure catches up and don't just push them out into the underprepared regional areas.

We should be the richest country on earth, we have everything in abundance. We should all be living like kings and retiring at 40, mismanagement and sellout is crippling us and mass immigration is not the answer.

Unfortunately that doesn't address the central issue. How does a smaller comparative labour force produce increased output. Every way you look at the problem you will find that you will need more physical labour to actually produce the goods and services for the consumers as the number of non labour participants grows. Cutting immigration until a few boondongles are built exacerbates a problem that is more serious than realised.

The boondongles bit just cut your own argument to shreds.

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Reply #74 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 10:01pm

Johnnie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:22pm:

crocodile wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 8:13pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:21pm:

crocodile wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:05pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 3:03pm:

crocodile wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 2:16pm:

Johnnie wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 11:05am:

Ajax wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 10:36am:

Australia was ruined from the Hawke Keating government when they opened the flood gates to the oligarchy, globalization and free trade.

And every government since after those two traitors.

Hang'em high.............. Angry

Hang em higher.

Send em all on a taxpayer funded excursion to Yemen so they can have a first hand look at the type of culture these traitors are bringing to our shores.

Josh Frydenberg said yesterday the cities are bursting at the seams and he plans to start sending them to regional areas where resources are already stretched to the limit and the bad roads are killing people.
Well at least it will give the youngsters something to do,, form gangs and fight. We don't want them here.

When this election campaign ramps up it will be all about immigration.

Simple solution, STOP IMMIGRATION.

What plan would you have in place for the aging population conundrum. Walk the plank at 70 perhaps.

The population of Hobart is flooding into Australia every year with minimal infrastructure allowances, Morrison said he would build a new road yesterday so that may alleviate the problem, better still just send them out into the regional areas.

We should decide who comes here and how many of them, not the bipartisan bitches in cahoots.

We are full until further notice.

How does that sort out an aging population problem. As the population ages it leaves a smaller proportion of the population of working age.

1977 - people over 65 = 9%
2017 - people over 65 = 15%
2077 - people over 65 = 24%

How is a comparatively smaller population going to produce all of the goods and services for the entire population.

We could:

Extend the retirement age. Nobody likes that idea.
Euthanise old people. Can't see that.
Shag more. Good luck but a lot of shagging needed
Increase productivity. It's been declining for 20 years and no end in sight.
Import people. The Neanderthals don't like that idea either.

If you have any other ideas, forward them to Sweden for your Nobel prize.

Sweden is having their own problems with immigration as is the rest of Europe, so I wont bother them.

Stop immigration until infrastructure catches up and don't just push them out into the underprepared regional areas.

We should be the richest country on earth, we have everything in abundance. We should all be living like kings and retiring at 40, mismanagement and sellout is crippling us and mass immigration is not the answer.

Unfortunately that doesn't address the central issue. How does a smaller comparative labour force produce increased output. Every way you look at the problem you will find that you will need more physical labour to actually produce the goods and services for the consumers as the number of non labour participants grows. Cutting immigration until a few boondongles are built exacerbates a problem that is more serious than realised.

The boondongles bit just cut your own argument to shreds.

I think not. I see that you are still unable to answer a vexing but rather simple question. That being, how does a comparitively smaller labour force deal with the production requirements of everybody. It isn't difficult to understand.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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