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Re: Julia Banks Refuses To Name Liberal Bullies
Reply #30 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:45pm

matty wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 11:40pm:

How she can name something that doesn’t exist? Politics is robust. I am NO fan of the Liberal party, but I am not going to believe in something with not a shred of evidence.

Funny how the lefties on this thread just take it as a given that it must have happened. If it were Labor you would be demanding proof, but when it comes to the Libs no evidence required.

Funny how you're asserting without proof that it did not exist, while in the same post you're whining about "lefties" claiming it must have happened.

What's really sad is that you can't even see your blatant hypocrisy. You think you're allowed to make remarks like "something that doesn’t exist" as if only you are correct, but others aren't allowed to hold a different view? Oh, really?

Banks hasn't named names. That doesn't mean anything. Not having sufficient opportunity to name names under parliamentary privilege, keeping quiet about the matter on legal advice, not wishing to antagonise some friends in the Liberals, the tabloid media haven't offered enough money yet for an "exclusive" story. All are plausible alternatives to its not happening at all.

The only assertions I have made concern parliamentary privilege. I don't know if it's true or not, and I have made no clear assertions either way. We'll see how it plays out.

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Re: Julia Banks Refuses To Name Liberal Bullies
Reply #31 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 8:37pm

Julia Banks will eventually name names when it suits her.
Either at parliament or, if she doesn't need parliament privilege , when it makes the biggest impact on election. Right now, letting it is not advantageous as during campaigning where it would be right at people's mind and not forgotten after a few months.

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Re: Julia Banks Refuses To Name Liberal Bullies
Reply #32 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 12:26am

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 4:35pm:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 11:47am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 9:09am:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 8:53am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:25am:

matty wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 11:40pm:

How she can name something that doesn’t exist? Politics is robust. I am NO fan of the Liberal party, but I am not going to believe in something with not a shred of evidence.

Funny how the lefties on this thread just take it as a given that it must have happened. If it were Labor you would be demanding proof, but when it comes to the Libs no evidence required.

Julia Banks and Kelly O'Dwyer made the claim dickhead....Who are we to believe you or them....So what evidence do you require to accept anything negative about the Liberal Party???

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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/sep/03/i-will-name-names-on-bull...

Oh I didn’t know that. Well now that changes everything dimwit - if those two said it, then it mus just simply be true. Evidence and proof be damned.

So you are claiming these Liberal woman are bald faced liars....Were is your evidence to make such a claim against these woman dickhead???

Huh

Again, how do you prove a negative, dimwit? I am saying that they are the ones making allegations of bullying, therefore the onus of proof is on the. So far they have not produced a single shred of evidence.

So you are calling these Liberal woman liars....They clearly claimed there was bullying and you claim the allegations are baseless based on what???

Malcolm Turnbull is a liar as well is he???

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A DEFIANT Malcolm Turnbull has taken aim at Peter Dutton’s supporters, saying he has been subject to “bullying and intimidation” within his own party.

In a press conference this afternoon, the embattled Prime Minister took a dig at a “minority” of Liberals, supported by vocal outsiders, criticising their methods in trying to unseat him as leader.

“A minority in the party room supported by others outside the parliament have sought to bully, intimidate others into making this change of leadership that they’re seeking,” Mr Turnbull said.

“It’s been described by many people — including those who feel they cannot resist it — as a form of madness.”

Is that proof enough dickhead???

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https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/turnbull-calls-out-dutton-camps-bul...

Ummm, I don’t know, maybe, just maybe, based on the fact that they have not produced a single piece of evidence. Not one example. I am no lawyer but isn’t the onus of proof on those who make the allegations?

Or should we just accept every allegation and punish everyone who has an allegation levelled at them, regardless of proof.

In that case Bill Shorten is clearly a rapist.

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Re: Julia Banks Refuses To Name Liberal Bullies
Reply #33 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 12:33am

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 4:42pm:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 11:48am:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 9:11am:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 8:56am:

Bam wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:46am:

matty wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 11:40pm:

How she can name something that doesn’t exist? Politics is robust. I am NO fan of the Liberal party, but I am not going to believe in something with not a shred of evidence.

Do you have any proof that it did not happen? Hmm? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

matty wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 11:40pm:

Funny how the lefties on this thread just take it as a given that it must have happened. If it were Labor you would be demanding proof, but when it comes to the Libs no evidence required.

Most likely, Banks isn't naming names because she's not protected by parliamentary privilege.

And you're not one to talk about different standards of proof. You're well known for whining about "the left" without any evidence at all. That's hypocrisy.

How do you prove a negative? Do you have any proof that Bill Shorten didn’t rape someone?

Everything that I have said about the left has been based on facts. If you disagree then provide facts otherwise.

And be honest, if the shoe were on the other foot would you be taking a shower gospel that the same thing was happening in Labor? Or would you be demanding proof?

So you do not believe Emma Husar's staff's claim that she bullied them....The right need to apologize to Emma for feeding these baseless allegations???

Huh

Didn’t Labor’s internal investigation find that there was mistreatment? And there was actually a photograph of one of her staffers picking up dog poo.

No....You should apologise for peddling these false allegations....You have no idea do you???

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An investigation cleared the Lindsay MP of a range of allegations on Friday, finding there was no basis for her to resign from Parliament.

https://www.afr.com/news/politics/labor-investigation-no-basis-for-mp-emma-husar...

Funny how you missed this part:

Mr Whelan, who has been investigating 44 allegations of misconduct against Ms Husar lodged by former staff members, found that their complaints that Ms Husar had “subjected them to unreasonable management, including unreasonable communication, demands, practices and disciplinary methods” did have merit.

I am sure that you just accidentally missed that and didn’t eschew it because it didn’t suit your narrative.

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Re: Julia Banks Refuses To Name Liberal Bullies
Reply #34 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 12:35am

Bam wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:23pm:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 11:50am:

Bam wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 11:42am:

matty wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 8:56am:

Everything that I have said about the left has been based on facts. If you disagree then provide facts otherwise.

You don't know the difference between facts and opinion. Nor do you understand that collective responsibility for the alleged actions of individuals doesn't exist. You're making up a broad group of people, calling them vaguely "the left" without definition, demanding this vague group has to accept collective responsibility for some alleged actions of a few, and refusing to see why this compositional argument is fallacious.

That's why your "facts" are baseless rubbish.

As always, you have gone off on a tangent because you couldn’t address my actual questions.

I answered yours so if you don’t have the courtesy to do likewise then I will just ignore you.

Why should I waste time addressing questions based on lies and fallacies when you don't even know the difference between fact and opinion?

Maybe because you throw around this like it’s true. Provide one, just one, example where I have confused fact and opinion.

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Re: Julia Banks Refuses To Name Liberal Bullies
Reply #35 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 12:38am

stunspore wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:42pm:

matty wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 11:40pm:

How she can name something that doesn’t exist? Politics is robust. I am NO fan of the Liberal party, but I am not going to believe in something with not a shred of evidence.

Funny how the lefties on this thread just take it as a given that it must have happened. If it were Labor you would be demanding proof, but when it comes to the Libs no evidence required.

So who comes first on the very last on your below the line voting -> Coalition or ALP?

I number every box individually. Probably this time (with the exception of Jim Molan) I will do it so that it balances out - eg put the Coalition 1-4 and Labor 2-3 so that it balances out. The one certainty is that’s every Greens member; the anti-Australia party, will be dead last. Either way though it’s immaterial, because one of the ones that I put towards the top ISBN very likely to win - ie PHON or the LDP.

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Re: Julia Banks Refuses To Name Liberal Bullies
Reply #36 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 12:48am

Bam wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:45pm:

matty wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 11:40pm:

How she can name something that doesn’t exist? Politics is robust. I am NO fan of the Liberal party, but I am not going to believe in something with not a shred of evidence.

Funny how the lefties on this thread just take it as a given that it must have happened. If it were Labor you would be demanding proof, but when it comes to the Libs no evidence required.

Funny how you're asserting without proof that it did not exist, while in the same post you're whining about "lefties" claiming it must have happened.

What's really sad is that you can't even see your blatant hypocrisy. You think you're allowed to make remarks like "something that doesn’t exist" as if only you are correct, but others aren't allowed to hold a different view? Oh, really?

Banks hasn't named names. That doesn't mean anything. Not having sufficient opportunity to name names under parliamentary privilege, keeping quiet about the matter on legal advice, not wishing to antagonise some friends in the Liberals, the tabloid media haven't offered enough money yet for an "exclusive" story. All are plausible alternatives to its not happening at all.

The only assertions I have made concern parliamentary privilege. I don't know if it's true or not, and I have made no clear assertions either way. We'll see how it plays out.

Look, I can’t say that it did or did not happen. Neither can you.

However, there is no opinion to be had here. Either it did happen or it did not happen. An opinion is not really relevant here.

What I am saying is that neither Banks not O’Dwyer nor Gichui, has provided a shred of evidence of bullying. Not one.

I am sick to death of people on the left treading allegations as gospel, just see Phil and Greggy here. The same case with Kavanaugh recently, and Abbott allegedly bashing a woman.

Strange how you say nothing about that...

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Re: Julia Banks Refuses To Name Liberal Bullies
Reply #37 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 12:48am

stunspore wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 8:37pm:

Julia Banks will eventually name names when it suits her.
Either at parliament or, if she doesn't need parliament privilege , when it makes the biggest impact on election. Right now, letting it is not advantageous as during campaigning where it would be right at people's mind and not forgotten after a few months.

Well let’s see. I will bookmark this thread for when she loses the election and Hunt wins, come back a few months later and see whether she has named names or not.

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Re: Julia Banks Refuses To Name Liberal Bullies
Reply #38 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 6:08am

matty wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 12:48am:

Bam wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:45pm:

matty wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 11:40pm:

How she can name something that doesn’t exist? Politics is robust. I am NO fan of the Liberal party, but I am not going to believe in something with not a shred of evidence.

Funny how the lefties on this thread just take it as a given that it must have happened. If it were Labor you would be demanding proof, but when it comes to the Libs no evidence required.

Funny how you're asserting without proof that it did not exist, while in the same post you're whining about "lefties" claiming it must have happened.

What's really sad is that you can't even see your blatant hypocrisy. You think you're allowed to make remarks like "something that doesn’t exist" as if only you are correct, but others aren't allowed to hold a different view? Oh, really?

Banks hasn't named names. That doesn't mean anything. Not having sufficient opportunity to name names under parliamentary privilege, keeping quiet about the matter on legal advice, not wishing to antagonise some friends in the Liberals, the tabloid media haven't offered enough money yet for an "exclusive" story. All are plausible alternatives to its not happening at all.

The only assertions I have made concern parliamentary privilege. I don't know if it's true or not, and I have made no clear assertions either way. We'll see how it plays out.

Look, I can’t say that it did or did not happen. Neither can you.

However, there is no opinion to be had here. Either it did happen or it did not happen. An opinion is not really relevant here.

What I am saying is that neither Banks not O’Dwyer nor Gichui, has provided a shred of evidence of bullying. Not one.

I am sick to death of people on the left treading allegations as gospel, just see Phil and Greggy here. The same case with Kavanaugh recently, and Abbott allegedly bashing a woman.

Strange how you say nothing about that...

No different than a rape victim not providing "one shred of evidence" according to Matty. Or maybe accusing someone working with children a pedo - but you, in case they are innocent, let them keep working with them.

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Reply #39 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 7:16am

I will go with Matty's version of events then....The Liberal Party are a complete mess....Woman within the party and their ex Prime Minister are all lying about bullying in the party without a shred of evidence to support their accusations....What a complete rabble this lot are electing people who would lie to damage the party and even making a bald faced liar Prime Minister FFS....How can anyone trust a word that comes from these lying ass holes mouths....Why would these woman and Turnbull lie and how does it benefit them to leave the party based on bullshit....Liars and idiots the lot of them???

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: Julia Banks Refuses To Name Liberal Bullies Reply #40 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 7:55am It is also untenable that the current PM fully supported (and still does) the lying Malcolm Turnbull who also leveled bullying allegations against his own party....Scott Morrison has no integrity what so ever supporting a bald faced liar in Malcolm Turnbull....This rabble must go???
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Reply #42 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 8:07am

Workplace bullying mostly does not happen in plain view of others, it happens privately and in offices, one on one as in these political cases which does make that difficult to prove on a individual basis.

What is known is that quite a few women in the Liberal party stated there was bullying going on and on top of that quite a few left the party feeling threatened which makes it a serious problem in the Liberal party.

There needs to be a quota system in place that the LNP needs to adopt, the same as the Labor party has quotas for women set at 50% because at the moment the LNP is more about lobbyist gaining power via backing politicians who are wiling to tread over others to get the top job.

There are men in the LNP that need to go or the party will not change, a stagnant pond of dimwits, Abbott being one of them as they are not working to the benefit of the country they are solely working for the mining industry or just big business, they have forgotten they are there in politics for the benefit of all.

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: Julia Banks Refuses To Name Liberal Bullies Reply #43 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:06am Either the Liberal party are covering up bullying in the Party or senior members of the party (including the ex PM) are bald faced liars trying to cause trouble....Either way this rabble must go???
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Reply #44 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:08am

matty wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 12:35am:

Bam wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:23pm:

Why should I waste time addressing questions based on lies and fallacies when you don't even know the difference between fact and opinion?

Maybe because you throw around this like it’s true. Provide one, just one, example where I have confused fact and opinion.

An OP full of unsubstantiated opinions.
Why does Labor not believe in fairness/equality?
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why does Labor believe that those who work for a living, who work hard to support their family, and spend and save their money wisely, should be penalised whilst who do not, and refuse to work, get given that extra income that those who do work hard, get?

No evidence offered to substantiate any of this. More examples in the OP omitted for space reasons. Pure, unadulterated, fabricated OPINION.

A rather long bow to draw. No actual proof of your general assertion offered.
Proof that the left does not care about refugees.

Voicing an opinion about hypothetical politicians.
Craig Kelly likely to defect from Liberals
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there is further and further likelihood of [Craig Kelly] being dumped from his seat of Hughes, ... for a left-wing hack.

Confusing unproven allegations with court-determined facts in the kind of reckless post that could turn out to be very expensive for you if the candidate's lawyers ever found it.
Greens candidate RAPED woman

A rather bold assertion backed with very flimsy evidence. (Youtube videos? Really?)
100% proof that we don't have free speech

Another of your opinionated rants after a drive "through the western suburbs of Sydney".
Abbott is right, we need to reduce immigration

That should do for a start.

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