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Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:57pm

They might call a National Emergency with this one.
The Floods of QLD.

Here is a timely and perfect example of the need for a national Canal network right across the continent.

Right now, there could be a QLD network of Canal systems that would be 'draining' all that floodwater away. The water up there would be 'moving' and not sitting like a dirty stagnant duckpond. All that water would, over the course of a few weeks - be transported (by gates, etc) across into lower NT, into NSW and as far as SA. There it will be put to good use. It could even feed a massive 'Ever-glades' like Wetlands in the middle of Australia.

A network of Canals, big and small (like they have in the Riverina) would enhance the landscape, provide much needed water access and basically add a lot of money to potentially opening up the entire interior to productivity and population.

But for now - the water remains in QLD.

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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20231 Gordon Gender:	Re: Drain the QLD Flood Reply #1 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:00pm I wonder why Aboriginals haven't done this in the 50000 years they've been here?
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Reply #2 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:03pm

Right on, Bro... send that water down stream.... thing is Lake Eyre (not to be confused with Ayers Rock) fills up every year and then evaporates....

You're gonna need a bigger catchment...

Maybe Setanta's Coastal Rivers Inland Diversion Scheme CRIDS) could start way up there - a new Snowies Scheme.... generating power and generating jobs for Faren Q... put the refos and immos to work on it to earn their citizenship.... teach some of 'em a work ethic beyond sitting around and drinking coffee in a cafe and praising Allah... refugee applicants could be put there to learn a trade or a useful skill like truck driving - and even if rejected eventually could take that skill back home ... take it out of the foreign aid budget....

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 47473 At my desk.	Re: Drain the QLD Flood Reply #3 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:31pm Why not just put some big water tanks in outer space and pump the water up through flexible hoses, then we can drop it wherever we want. We could power it with whale blubber.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20231 Gordon Gender:	Re: Drain the QLD Flood Reply #4 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:37pm freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:31pm: Why not just put some big water tanks in outer space and pump the water up through flexible hoses, then we can drop it wherever we want. We could power it with whale blubber. I want to run really thick fibre optic cable around the world and pipe sunlight in at night.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20231 Gordon Gender:	Re: Drain the QLD Flood Reply #5 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:40pm We'd also need a filter to stop the cane toads hitching a ride south.
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Reply #6 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:44pm

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:31pm:

Why not just put some big water tanks in outer space and pump the water up through flexible hoses, then we can drop it wherever we want. We could power it with whale blubber.

That's if there is any whale blubber left after you have finished devouring your portion of another kill, which you back.

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Reply #7 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:51pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:00pm:

I wonder why Aboriginals haven't done this in the 50000 years they've been here?

Too much Eucalyptus 'blue' vapor in the air - kinda sedated them from doing anything Cheesy

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:31pm:

Why not just put some big water tanks in outer space and pump the water up through flexible hoses, then we can drop it wherever we want. We could power it with whale blubber.

Sort of like a Bush shower. Good thinking - but costly no?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:03pm:

Right on, Bro... send that water down stream.... thing is Lake Eyre (not to be confused with Ayers Rock) fills up every year and then evaporates....

You're gonna need a bigger catchment...

Maybe Setanta's Coastal Rivers Inland Diversion Scheme CRIDS) could start way up there - a new Snowies Scheme.... generating power and generating jobs for Faren Q... put the refos and immos to work on it to earn their citizenship.... teach some of 'em a work ethic beyond sitting around and drinking coffee in a cafe and praising Allah... refugee applicants could be put there to learn a trade or a useful skill like truck driving - and even if rejected eventually could take that skill back home ... take it out of the foreign aid budget....

Yep. But 'evaporation' occurs at Lake Eyre because there is no 'back-up' flow into it to keep it at level. There will be much evaporation into the air from all Canals and Catchments of water - but that also moistens the immediate air and provides a better chance for rain eventually.

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Reply #8 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:59pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:51pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:00pm:

I wonder why Aboriginals haven't done this in the 50000 years they've been here?

Too much Eucalyptus 'blue' vapor in the air - kinda sedated them from doing anything Cheesy

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:31pm:

Why not just put some big water tanks in outer space and pump the water up through flexible hoses, then we can drop it wherever we want. We could power it with whale blubber.

Sort of like a Bush shower. Good thinking - but costly no?

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:03pm:

Right on, Bro... send that water down stream.... thing is Lake Eyre (not to be confused with Ayers Rock) fills up every year and then evaporates....

You're gonna need a bigger catchment...

Maybe Setanta's Coastal Rivers Inland Diversion Scheme CRIDS) could start way up there - a new Snowies Scheme.... generating power and generating jobs for Faren Q... put the refos and immos to work on it to earn their citizenship.... teach some of 'em a work ethic beyond sitting around and drinking coffee in a cafe and praising Allah... refugee applicants could be put there to learn a trade or a useful skill like truck driving - and even if rejected eventually could take that skill back home ... take it out of the foreign aid budget....

Yep. But 'evaporation' occurs at Lake Eyre because there is no 'back-up' flow into it to keep it at level. There will be much evaporation into the air from all Canals and Catchments of water - but that also moistens the immediate air and provides a better chance for rain eventually.

Tear it a new one out to sea.. it was an inland sea once... quite salty it would be for a while anyway - they harvest salt there.... good clean salt.....

Your idea has merit...... someone has to do something to resurrect this nation ...

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Reply #9 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 10:01pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:00pm:

I wonder why Aboriginals haven't done this in the 50000 years they've been here?

White men filled in their canal system at the same time as he tore down the golden pyramids and temples and stuff.... destroyed their fuel-free technology that ran on ether waves from space etc... they had climate control all the time... Whitey wrecked the whole thing....

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Reply #10 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 10:05pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:57pm:

They might call a National Emergency with this one.
The Floods of QLD.

Here is a timely and perfect example of the need for a national Canal network right across the continent.

Right now, there could be a QLD network of Canal systems that would be 'draining' all that floodwater away. The water up there would be 'moving' and not sitting like a dirty stagnant duckpond. All that water would, over the course of a few weeks - be transported (by gates, etc) across into lower NT, into NSW and as far as SA. There it will be put to good use. It could even feed a massive 'Ever-glades' like Wetlands in the middle of Australia.

A network of Canals, big and small (like they have in the Riverina) would enhance the landscape, provide much needed water access and basically add a lot of money to potentially opening up the entire interior to productivity and population.

But for now - the water remains in QLD.

Glad you posted this
We must all have been pondering the same thing

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Reply #11 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 10:13pm

That's right.
Because at the moment - NOTHING is being done and every friggin year Farmers cry out for Relief Packages, the Public Pay Taxes but are expected to pay 'donations' as well, regions get Flooded, regions get Droughted, Choppers & Planes have nowhere to gain water to fight Fires, etc, etc, etc.

NOTHING IS BEING DONE.

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Reply #12 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 10:13pm

I had a book, don't know where it is now. About Papua New Guinea. Black and white photos, can't remember their dating but looked to be around the 50s. Big canal system buried beneath tall reeds. The natives could offer no clue as to who'd built it and hadn't even known it was there. The photos were of Aussie govt. guys. They'd got the natives to remove a big section of the reeds. The canal system was big. Grid formation. A couple of metres wide and deep, square edges, each uncovered section. Book surmised it could have run for many miles. Someone smart must have been in PNG long ago. I've looked for mention of it online. Nothing

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Jasin Gold Member Offline Posts: 46595 Gender:	Re: Drain the QLD Flood Reply #13 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 10:18pm Right now - all that water could be draining away (fast, just like the Riverina Flood of 2011 moved fast and transported away) and creating the equivalent of an Okavango inland delta in NSW around Broken Hill.
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Reply #14 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 10:18pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 10:01pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:00pm:

I wonder why Aboriginals haven't done this in the 50000 years they've been here?

White men filled in their canal system at the same time as he tore down the golden pyramids and temples and stuff.... destroyed their fuel-free technology that ran on ether waves from space etc... they had climate control all the time... Whitey wrecked the whole thing....

Here's the remnants. Good pigging country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_Country

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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: Drain the QLD Flood Reply #15 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 10:25pm Getting the water over hills and combatting friction and the fact water needs to flow downhill is the problem. Drilling a big hole into the artesian and sub artesian basin and draining the water down there and pumping it out in the middle of Australia might work.
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Reply #16 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 10:28pm

Johnnie wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 10:25pm:

Getting the water over hills and combatting friction and the fact water needs to flow downhill is the problem.
Drilling a big hole into the artesian and sub artesian basin and draining the water down there and pumping it out in the middle of Australia might work.

Artesian is estimated to be only a 1/3rd left underground - excessively pumped out by Farmers who must be wasting it because they keep crying out for hand-outs and relief packages, even up there at the head of the snake (Murray-Darling).

If Australia was a Human body - it seems any consumption of water through the mouth is only reaching some parts of the body. No wonder the Aboriginals looked 'dried out' when first discovered wandering the interior.

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PZ547 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9282 Gender:	Re: Drain the QLD Flood Reply #17 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 10:32pm Anyone else suspect that lying forgotten in dusty storage there are dozens of blueprints drawn up by people with intelligence and vision, back in the first half of the 20th century, to tackle this situation? Today, first priority would be how to privatise it and which Asian mob should build it
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Reply #18 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 10:47pm

Since the start of the 80's the Australian Government and Privatisation has achieved an input into this country of 'non-permanence'. Train stations have been designed not to last and like everything to be 'turned over', not fixed and just replaced... the 'throw away' society. NOTHING has really been made to last.

Maybe ALP & NLP won't last and be replaced, rather than fixed - too? Tongue

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Reply #19 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 10:50pm

PZ547 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 10:32pm:

Anyone else suspect that lying forgotten in dusty storage there are dozens of blueprints drawn up by people with intelligence and vision, back in the first half of the 20th century, to tackle this situation? Today, first priority would be how to privatise it and which Asian mob should build it

Perhaps we shouldn't lush up the center of Australia, everybody would want to come here, although its still bloody hot out there, and so may flies.

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Reply #20 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 12:28am

Johnnie wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 10:50pm:

PZ547 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 10:32pm:

Anyone else suspect that lying forgotten in dusty storage there are dozens of blueprints drawn up by people with intelligence and vision, back in the first half of the 20th century, to tackle this situation? Today, first priority would be how to privatise it and which Asian mob should build it

Perhaps we shouldn't lush up the center of Australia, everybody would want to come here, although its still bloody hot out there, and so may flies.

Flies, cockroaches and rats know when they're on a good thing... I used to forbid killing of mice that came into the house down South when winter was coming on... catch and release.... same with rats... I will have no murdering of innocent mice in this house!

The downhill running of the canals will provide power for air con, and the evaporated moisture will change the humidity to a comfortable zone.... we'll call the new state Paradisia .... better than Parasitia (Canberra)....

Based on the experience in the Murray Darling Basin and salinity, I would not encourage irrigation.... natural rainfall and maybe limited irrigation... but you all know by now the Great Artesian Basin is saline already..... make it rise up and salt is all you'll get.... underlying salinity is a definite no-no for irrigation.....

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Reply #22 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:40am

SUPER BILL will fix it....

hes got plans I am sure...hang in there not sure how Annas coping she almost invisible..make that is invisible..

The worst of conditions happened overnight after the Ross River dam’s floodgates were opened, sending 1,900 cubic metres of water gushing into the already inundated town.

We learned that authorities received more than 1,000 calls for help, while there were also 18 swift-water rescues.
About 16,000 homes were without power.
Officials faced some criticism for choosing not to impose a forced evacuation. They said they had provided sufficient warnings to residents, who had to take some personal responsibility for their welfare.
Today, authorities have been using boats, helicopters and, in some cases, garbage trucks, to rescue hundreds of Townsville residents.
The rain has eased in Townsville now, but a monsoon trough remains over the region, with more heavy rain expected.
At 5.30pm, the Bureau of Meteorology said there had been up to 268mm of rain over the past 24 hours in parts of Townsville. But since 9am, there had been only 10mm-20mm.
On Tuesday, between 55-70 mm of rain is forecast.

this is called WATER MANAGEMENT! QLD STYLE.....

makes sense to some!

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Reply #23 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:46am

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:40am:

SUPER BILL will fix it....

hes got plans I am sure...hang in there not sure how Annas coping she almost invisible..make that is invisible..

The worst of conditions happened overnight after the Ross River dam’s floodgates were opened, sending 1,900 cubic metres of water gushing into the already inundated town.

We learned that authorities received more than 1,000 calls for help, while there were also 18 swift-water rescues.
About 16,000 homes were without power.
Officials faced some criticism for choosing not to impose a forced evacuation. They said they had provided sufficient warnings to residents, who had to take some personal responsibility for their welfare.
Today, authorities have been using boats, helicopters and, in some cases, garbage trucks, to rescue hundreds of Townsville residents.
The rain has eased in Townsville now, but a monsoon trough remains over the region, with more heavy rain expected.
At 5.30pm, the Bureau of Meteorology said there had been up to 268mm of rain over the past 24 hours in parts of Townsville. But since 9am, there had been only 10mm-20mm.
On Tuesday, between 55-70 mm of rain is forecast.

this is called WATER MANAGEMENT! QLD STYLE.....

makes sense to some!

haha the alternative is to keep the water in the dam and risk the whole dam wall be destroyed... then would see some carnage ,
as u say

makes sense to some

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Reply #24 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:50am

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:40am:

SUPER BILL will fix it....

hes got plans I am sure...hang in there not sure how Annas coping she almost invisible..make that is invisible..

The worst of conditions happened overnight after the Ross River dam’s floodgates were opened, sending 1,900 cubic metres of water gushing into the already inundated town.

We learned that authorities received more than 1,000 calls for help, while there were also 18 swift-water rescues.
About 16,000 homes were without power.
Officials faced some criticism for choosing not to impose a forced evacuation. They said they had provided sufficient warnings to residents, who had to take some personal responsibility for their welfare.
Today, authorities have been using boats, helicopters and, in some cases, garbage trucks, to rescue hundreds of Townsville residents.
The rain has eased in Townsville now, but a monsoon trough remains over the region, with more heavy rain expected.
At 5.30pm, the Bureau of Meteorology said there had been up to 268mm of rain over the past 24 hours in parts of Townsville. But since 9am, there had been only 10mm-20mm.
On Tuesday, between 55-70 mm of rain is forecast.

this is called WATER MANAGEMENT! QLD STYLE.....

makes sense to some!

cods,

Authorities in charge of the dam probably had to release water, in order to prevent the possibility of the dam failing
[which could happen, if the excess water behind the dam, was allowed to overflow the sides of the dam].

Does that make sense to you ?

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Reply #25 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:03am

If you consult map with elevations you will see that most of the Queensland catchment already flows south west. It is only the coastal strip that flows into the sea, but that is were the population is, and that makes news. This winter, Lake Eyre will fill again, because of this present wet-season. To divert that SW water flow to the middle of the NT would require a significant slope, which would put the water underground.

But the NT already has an enormous water storage at Lake Argyle which is hardly used.

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Reply #26 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:20am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:46am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:40am:

SUPER BILL will fix it....

hes got plans I am sure...hang in there not sure how Annas coping she almost invisible..make that is invisible..

The worst of conditions happened overnight after the Ross River dam’s floodgates were opened, sending 1,900 cubic metres of water gushing into the already inundated town.

We learned that authorities received more than 1,000 calls for help, while there were also 18 swift-water rescues.
About 16,000 homes were without power.
Officials faced some criticism for choosing not to impose a forced evacuation. They said they had provided sufficient warnings to residents, who had to take some personal responsibility for their welfare.
Today, authorities have been using boats, helicopters and, in some cases, garbage trucks, to rescue hundreds of Townsville residents.
The rain has eased in Townsville now, but a monsoon trough remains over the region, with more heavy rain expected.
At 5.30pm, the Bureau of Meteorology said there had been up to 268mm of rain over the past 24 hours in parts of Townsville. But since 9am, there had been only 10mm-20mm.
On Tuesday, between 55-70 mm of rain is forecast.

this is called WATER MANAGEMENT! QLD STYLE.....

makes sense to some!

haha the alternative is to keep the water in the dam and risk the whole dam wall be destroyed... then would see some carnage ,
as u say

makes sense to some

so flooding townships is the right thing to do.. Roll Eyes

IPSWICH ANYONE>.. Angry

two young men are missing up there...but dont let that get in the way of commonsense....

something should have been done years ago......to sit back and watch this go on year in year out appears to

make sense to some!

everyone knows dams OVER FILL they are built in places that would got the most natural water in the first place.. Angry

..

but to flood TOWNS.. thats are already inundated.....doesnt make any bloody sense to me..

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Reply #27 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:29am

issuevoter wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:03am:

If you consult map with elevations you will see that most of the Queensland catchment already flows south west. It is only the coastal strip that flows into the sea, but that is were the population is, and that makes news. This winter, Lake Eyre will fill again, because of this present wet-season. To divert that SW water flow to the middle of the NT would require a significant slope, which would put the water underground.

But the NT already has an enormous water storage at Lake Argyle which is hardly used.

NT right next door to Qld... Roll Eyes

..they also have a huge rain fall and they dont flood their towns when their dams get full...

like I have said many times I dont have the answers...but what we are doing doesnt make any sense to me at all...

we need some expert advice we need to make a start and get it right so it works for everyone..

I cant believe this country doesnt have a fast train..

we should have super roads.. at least joining our major cities.... we shouldnt have over crowded cities like Sydney.....with gridlock every day....

what we need is forward thinking...we need clever people not pollies.....

but instead what do we get..

lets have a ROYAL that should fix everything.. Cheesy

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Reply #28 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:29am

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:20am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:46am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:40am:

SUPER BILL will fix it....

hes got plans I am sure...hang in there not sure how Annas coping she almost invisible..make that is invisible..

The worst of conditions happened overnight after the Ross River dam’s floodgates were opened, sending 1,900 cubic metres of water gushing into the already inundated town.

We learned that authorities received more than 1,000 calls for help, while there were also 18 swift-water rescues.
About 16,000 homes were without power.
Officials faced some criticism for choosing not to impose a forced evacuation. They said they had provided sufficient warnings to residents, who had to take some personal responsibility for their welfare.
Today, authorities have been using boats, helicopters and, in some cases, garbage trucks, to rescue hundreds of Townsville residents.
The rain has eased in Townsville now, but a monsoon trough remains over the region, with more heavy rain expected.
At 5.30pm, the Bureau of Meteorology said there had been up to 268mm of rain over the past 24 hours in parts of Townsville. But since 9am, there had been only 10mm-20mm.
On Tuesday, between 55-70 mm of rain is forecast.

this is called WATER MANAGEMENT! QLD STYLE.....

makes sense to some!

haha the alternative is to keep the water in the dam and risk the whole dam wall be destroyed... then would see some carnage ,
as u say

makes sense to some

so flooding townships is the right thing to do.. Roll Eyes

IPSWICH ANYONE>.. Angry

two young men are missing up there...but dont let that get in the way of commonsense....

something should have been done years ago......to sit back and watch this go on year in year out appears to

make sense to some!

everyone knows dams OVER FILL they are built in places that would got the most natural water in the first place.. Angry

..

but to flood TOWNS.. that's are already inundated.....doesnt make any bloody sense to me..

the alternative is the dam failing and everyone dying..... u can only make a dam wall so high after that if u have massive flooding some needs to be released…. no getting around it. Wink

The only mismanagement that there can be is like in 2011 at Brisbane the water authorities didn't empty the dam soon enough so when (they just finished a major drought and didn't want to empty the dam) if kept flooding they had to empty at the peak and made it worse..... unfortunately water authorities don't have a crystal ball....
I guess they could of emptied the ross river dam well before the flood... but if the weather changed they would of had a empty dam... what would u do Cods ? Wink

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Reply #29 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:43am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:29am:

what would u do Cods

I THINK I HAVE ALREADY SAID WHAT I WOULD DO..

BRING IN THE WORLD EXPERTS

we have proved we have no idea what we are doing....

Roll Eyes

the AZTECS appeared to have had more insight into water management than we do... Roll Eyes

we cant and never will be able to turn off cyclones or massive rain fall.....so what do you think?????? shouldn t we be harnessing it making use of it instead... Roll Eyes

weve only just discovered wind and sun power and what its capable of doing.....

water the saving of the directing of....should have been one of the first commitments in this sunburnt country...

if you were stranded on a deserted island the first thing you would look for is fresh water..

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Reply #30 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:48am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:29am:

what would u do Cods

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:43am:

I THINK I HAVE ALREADY SAID WHAT I WOULD DO..

BRING IN THE WORLD EXPERTS

if you were stranded on a deserted island the first thing you would look for is fresh water..

I'll try to remember that cods, for the next time i am stranded on a desert island.

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cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:52am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:48am:

I'll try to remember that cods, for the next time i am stranded on a desert island.

do you think Capt Cook sent his crew to do that ...yadda?... Roll Eyes

cods,

I'm sure that Capt Cook sent his crew to do exactly that.

....whenever they found a new desert island.

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Reply #33 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:05am

Yadda wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:56am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:52am:

Yadda wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:48am:

I'll try to remember that cods, for the next time i am stranded on a desert island.

do you think Capt Cook sent his crew to do that ...yadda?... Roll Eyes

cods,

I'm sure that Capt Cook sent his crew to do exactly that.

....whenever they found a new desert island.

seriously!!

or maybe he thought the natives had running water already...

he did know this land was not deserted didn t he?..

what he didnt know was just how clever the occupants were... Wink

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Reply #34 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:08am

Jasin wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:57pm:

They might call a National Emergency with this one.
The Floods of QLD.

Here is a timely and perfect example of the need for a national Canal network right across the continent.

Right now, there could be a QLD network of Canal systems that would be 'draining' all that floodwater away. The water up there would be 'moving' and not sitting like a dirty stagnant duckpond. All that water would, over the course of a few weeks - be transported (by gates, etc) across into lower NT, into NSW and as far as SA. There it will be put to good use. It could even feed a massive 'Ever-glades' like Wetlands in the middle of Australia.

A network of Canals, big and small (like they have in the Riverina) would enhance the landscape, provide much needed water access and basically add a lot of money to potentially opening up the entire interior to productivity and population.

But for now - the water remains in QLD.

Are you totally devoid of any knowledge about the river systems in this country?

There are vast canals(river systems) that drain water from below the Gulf of Carpentaria to Sth Australia ...

it's called the "Channel Country" ....

Cooper Creek, the Barcoo, the Torrens and Thompson, Diamantina, the Georgina, Eyre, Todd & Finke ... all flow through to the Great Salt Lakes ..

of Eyre, Froome, Torrens & others.

When they flood, which isn't often, they're usually dry, they drain most of far Nth Western QLD and Sth West Nthn Territory into these Sth Australian lakes ......

which creates a massive wetland where our Pelicans, amongst other waterbirds, breed.

The Murray Darling System drains a large area mid/central QLD through 3/4 of NSW and a 3rd of Victoria into Sth Australia.

What you are suggesting will see that once or twice a decade flow stopped & stored & used for intensive agriculture in marginal country ..... which has the potential to do irreparable damage to the river system, surrounding environments and wild life.

Turning it into another Murray Darling debacle.

We would be better off, better utilising the waters & the prime agricultural land we already have than tampering with another massive inland river system because we have allowed it to be dug up by coal miners and Gas frackers.

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Reply #35 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:17am

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:40am:

SUPER BILL will fix it....

hes got plans I am sure...hang in there not sure how Annas coping she almost invisible..make that is invisible..

The worst of conditions happened overnight after the Ross River dam’s floodgates were opened, sending 1,900 cubic metres of water gushing into the already inundated town.

We learned that authorities received more than 1,000 calls for help, while there were also 18 swift-water rescues.
About 16,000 homes were without power.
Officials faced some criticism for choosing not to impose a forced evacuation. They said they had provided sufficient warnings to residents, who had to take some personal responsibility for their welfare.
Today, authorities have been using boats, helicopters and, in some cases, garbage trucks, to rescue hundreds of Townsville residents.
The rain has eased in Townsville now, but a monsoon trough remains over the region, with more heavy rain expected.
At 5.30pm, the Bureau of Meteorology said there had been up to 268mm of rain over the past 24 hours in parts of Townsville. But since 9am, there had been only 10mm-20mm.
On Tuesday, between 55-70 mm of rain is forecast.

this is called WATER MANAGEMENT! QLD STYLE.....

makes sense to some!

More sense than the dam collapsing!

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Reply #36 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:18am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:46am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:40am:

SUPER BILL will fix it....

hes got plans I am sure...hang in there not sure how Annas coping she almost invisible..make that is invisible..

The worst of conditions happened overnight after the Ross River dam’s floodgates were opened, sending 1,900 cubic metres of water gushing into the already inundated town.

We learned that authorities received more than 1,000 calls for help, while there were also 18 swift-water rescues.
About 16,000 homes were without power.
Officials faced some criticism for choosing not to impose a forced evacuation. They said they had provided sufficient warnings to residents, who had to take some personal responsibility for their welfare.
Today, authorities have been using boats, helicopters and, in some cases, garbage trucks, to rescue hundreds of Townsville residents.
The rain has eased in Townsville now, but a monsoon trough remains over the region, with more heavy rain expected.
At 5.30pm, the Bureau of Meteorology said there had been up to 268mm of rain over the past 24 hours in parts of Townsville. But since 9am, there had been only 10mm-20mm.
On Tuesday, between 55-70 mm of rain is forecast.

this is called WATER MANAGEMENT! QLD STYLE.....

makes sense to some!

haha the alternative is to keep the water in the dam and risk the whole dam wall be destroyed... then would see some carnage ,
as u say

makes sense to some

Sometimes Cods ignorance is astounding.

What do they do if it keeps raining Cods?

The dam can only hold so much ... I don't know how they figure it out but it was stated yesterday that the dam was at 247% capacity......

the flood gates had to be opened.

It's not about Bill Shorten .... nor should it be another chance for you to erroneously bag QLD ...again.

You ought be ashamed of yourself Cods.

It's an unprecedented natural occurrence in the hands of Mother Nature.

Nth Qlders like all QLDers are a resilient lot.

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Reply #37 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:25am

issuevoter wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:03am:

If you consult map with elevations you will see that most of the Queensland catchment already flows south west. It is only the coastal strip that flows into the sea, but that is were the population is, and that makes news. This winter, Lake Eyre will fill again, because of this present wet-season. To divert that SW water flow to the middle of the NT would require a significant slope, which would put the water underground.

But the NT already has an enormous water storage at Lake Argyle which is hardly used.

There is increased activity for agriculture around Kununurra now ... large Chinese interests would you believe?

They have the rights to the Port of Darwin too.

Lake Argyle will be better utilised.

If you look at the Channel Country river system you will see a large piece of Sth West Nthn Territory drains into that from Alice Springs to the QLD Sth Australian borders.

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Reply #38 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:26am

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:20am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:46am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:40am:

SUPER BILL will fix it....

hes got plans I am sure...hang in there not sure how Annas coping she almost invisible..make that is invisible..

The worst of conditions happened overnight after the Ross River dam’s floodgates were opened, sending 1,900 cubic metres of water gushing into the already inundated town.

We learned that authorities received more than 1,000 calls for help, while there were also 18 swift-water rescues.
About 16,000 homes were without power.
Officials faced some criticism for choosing not to impose a forced evacuation. They said they had provided sufficient warnings to residents, who had to take some personal responsibility for their welfare.
Today, authorities have been using boats, helicopters and, in some cases, garbage trucks, to rescue hundreds of Townsville residents.
The rain has eased in Townsville now, but a monsoon trough remains over the region, with more heavy rain expected.
At 5.30pm, the Bureau of Meteorology said there had been up to 268mm of rain over the past 24 hours in parts of Townsville. But since 9am, there had been only 10mm-20mm.
On Tuesday, between 55-70 mm of rain is forecast.

this is called WATER MANAGEMENT! QLD STYLE.....

makes sense to some!

haha the alternative is to keep the water in the dam and risk the whole dam wall be destroyed... then would see some carnage ,
as u say

makes sense to some

so flooding townships is the right thing to do.. Roll Eyes

IPSWICH ANYONE>.. Angry

two young men are missing up there...but dont let that get in the way of commonsense....

something should have been done years ago......to sit back and watch this go on year in year out appears to

make sense to some!

everyone knows dams OVER FILL they are built in places that would got the most natural water in the first place.. Angry

..

but to flood TOWNS.. thats are already inundated.....doesnt make any bloody sense to me..

You do show your stupidity sometimes cods!

IT HAD TO BE DONE TO PROTECT THE DAM

as it was already around 250% full I think they are quoting, have you seen the carnage of a dam collapsing?

Sad

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Reply #39 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:27am

Cods at Reply #22 above:

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SUPER BILL will fix it....

hes got plans I am sure...hang in there not sure how Annas coping she almost invisible..make that is invisible..

I have no idea what plans your 'Super Bill' has cods, but your slap at Palaszczuk is as astonishing as your yet again exposed ignorance on display on this Thread.

You live in Canberra and will not get Qld ABC News on your TV. Palaszczuk is all over my TV on ABC.

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Reply #40 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:39am

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:26am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:20am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:46am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:40am:

SUPER BILL will fix it....

hes got plans I am sure...hang in there not sure how Annas coping she almost invisible..make that is invisible..

The worst of conditions happened overnight after the Ross River dam’s floodgates were opened, sending 1,900 cubic metres of water gushing into the already inundated town.

We learned that authorities received more than 1,000 calls for help, while there were also 18 swift-water rescues.
About 16,000 homes were without power.
Officials faced some criticism for choosing not to impose a forced evacuation. They said they had provided sufficient warnings to residents, who had to take some personal responsibility for their welfare.
Today, authorities have been using boats, helicopters and, in some cases, garbage trucks, to rescue hundreds of Townsville residents.
The rain has eased in Townsville now, but a monsoon trough remains over the region, with more heavy rain expected.
At 5.30pm, the Bureau of Meteorology said there had been up to 268mm of rain over the past 24 hours in parts of Townsville. But since 9am, there had been only 10mm-20mm.
On Tuesday, between 55-70 mm of rain is forecast.

this is called WATER MANAGEMENT! QLD STYLE.....

makes sense to some!

haha the alternative is to keep the water in the dam and risk the whole dam wall be destroyed... then would see some carnage ,
as u say

makes sense to some

so flooding townships is the right thing to do.. Roll Eyes

IPSWICH ANYONE>.. Angry

two young men are missing up there...but dont let that get in the way of commonsense....

something should have been done years ago......to sit back and watch this go on year in year out appears to

make sense to some!

everyone knows dams OVER FILL they are built in places that would got the most natural water in the first place.. Angry

..

but to flood TOWNS.. thats are already inundated.....doesnt make any bloody sense to me..

You do show your stupidity sometimes cods!

IT HAD TO BE DONE TO PROTECT THE DAM

as it was already around 250% full I think they are quoting, have you seen the carnage of a dam collapsing?

Sad

of course it had to be done...

flood the already flooded why not?

we have beena federation for over 100 years

and the best we have come up with is..
open the flood gates and add to the overwhelming problems we already have... Roll Eyes

IPSWICH anyone..

usually we learn from our mistakes....well thats what I always told my kids anyway... try not to repeat them if you possibly can.... Roll Eyes

BUT THATS STOOOOOOPID according to red..

its been 9 years since Ipswich when over 30 people died... Angry

did they learn from that..? NO..

why cant dams have two spillways....one not directed at townships....in cases like this????...

every dam is built in a catchment area we understand that Qld in particular is prone to wild weather...that usually involves torrential rains .. yes funnily enough i do expect DAMS to fill up on those occasions...

and yes I would have thought by now someone would have realised opening the slipways onto already inundated towns was kinda NOT GOOD..

maybe thats just me..

thinking stoooopid of course. Huh

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Reply #41 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:40am

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Cods at Reply #22 above:

Quote:

SUPER BILL will fix it....

hes got plans I am sure...hang in there not sure how Annas coping she almost invisible..make that is invisible..

I have no idea what plans your 'Super Bill' has cods, but your slap at Palaszczuk is as astonishing as your yet again exposed ignorance on display on this Thread.

You live in Canberra and will not get Qld ABC News on your TV. Palaszczuk is all over my TV on ABC.

lucky you ! we have clive. Angry

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Reply #42 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:42am

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:20am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:46am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:40am:

SUPER BILL will fix it....

hes got plans I am sure...hang in there not sure how Annas coping she almost invisible..make that is invisible..

The worst of conditions happened overnight after the Ross River dam’s floodgates were opened, sending 1,900 cubic metres of water gushing into the already inundated town.

We learned that authorities received more than 1,000 calls for help, while there were also 18 swift-water rescues.
About 16,000 homes were without power.
Officials faced some criticism for choosing not to impose a forced evacuation. They said they had provided sufficient warnings to residents, who had to take some personal responsibility for their welfare.
Today, authorities have been using boats, helicopters and, in some cases, garbage trucks, to rescue hundreds of Townsville residents.
The rain has eased in Townsville now, but a monsoon trough remains over the region, with more heavy rain expected.
At 5.30pm, the Bureau of Meteorology said there had been up to 268mm of rain over the past 24 hours in parts of Townsville. But since 9am, there had been only 10mm-20mm.
On Tuesday, between 55-70 mm of rain is forecast.

this is called WATER MANAGEMENT! QLD STYLE.....

makes sense to some!

haha the alternative is to keep the water in the dam and risk the whole dam wall be destroyed... then would see some carnage ,
as u say

makes sense to some

so flooding townships is the right thing to do.. Roll Eyes

IPSWICH ANYONE>.. Angry

two young men are missing up there...but dont let that get in the way of commonsense....

something should have been done years ago......to sit back and watch this go on year in year out appears to

make sense to some!

everyone knows dams OVER FILL they are built in places that would got the most natural water in the first place.. Angry

..

but to flood TOWNS.. thats are already inundated.....doesnt make any bloody sense to me..

You're really are showing your bloody ignorance.

Even without the dam the river would have flooded with the massive rainfall they've had ....

some of the low lying areas down stream from the dam are between the Ross and Bohle River and would have been also inundated by the latter anyway ...and it doesn't have a dam.

So they keep the dam gates closed ... it fails and the suburbs downstream are completely destroyed.

Kelso, Rasmussen, Condon, Thuringowa, Kiwan, Cranbrook, Aitkenvale, Annandale, Mundingburra, Idalia, Oonoonba, Rosslea, Hermit Park, Railway Estate and into the CBD.

What's your alternative solution? Roll Eyes

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of course it had to be done...

flood the already flooded why not?

we have beena federation for over 100 years

and the best we have come up with is..
open the flood gates and add to the overwhelming problems we already have... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

IPSWICH anyone..

usually we learn from our mistakes....well thats what I always told my kids anyway... try not to repeat them if you possibly can.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

BUT THATS STOOOOOOPID according to red.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

its been 9 years since Ipswich when over 30 people died... Angry Angry Angry

did they learn from that..? NO..

why cant dams have two spillways....one not directed at townships....in cases like this????...

every dam is built in a catchment area we understand that Qld in particular is prone to wild weather...that usually involves torrential rains .. yes funnily enough i do expect DAMS to fill up on those occasions...

and yes I would have thought by now someone would have realised opening the slipways onto already inundated towns was kinda NOT GOOD..

maybe thats just me.. Smiley

thinking stoooopid of course. Huh

Cods...water flows down hill no matter what direction a spill way is originally pointed.

If they did not open the spillway (thus controlling the rate of water release) the dam wall fails and the whole dam full immediately floods downhill at a totally uncontrolled rate.

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people can at least build levies or sand bag whena river rises... when its coming down instead of up.... they have no hope... Roll Eyes

again I am probably looking at it from the wrong angle all I am saying is..

shouldnt we have found a better way by now?

after all this time

do you think what they have done, lets say over the past 50 years....couldnt be improved on.?..

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Reply #45 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:47am

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:39am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:26am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:20am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:46am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:40am:

SUPER BILL will fix it....

hes got plans I am sure...hang in there not sure how Annas coping she almost invisible..make that is invisible..

The worst of conditions happened overnight after the Ross River dam’s floodgates were opened, sending 1,900 cubic metres of water gushing into the already inundated town.

We learned that authorities received more than 1,000 calls for help, while there were also 18 swift-water rescues.
About 16,000 homes were without power.
Officials faced some criticism for choosing not to impose a forced evacuation. They said they had provided sufficient warnings to residents, who had to take some personal responsibility for their welfare.
Today, authorities have been using boats, helicopters and, in some cases, garbage trucks, to rescue hundreds of Townsville residents.
The rain has eased in Townsville now, but a monsoon trough remains over the region, with more heavy rain expected.
At 5.30pm, the Bureau of Meteorology said there had been up to 268mm of rain over the past 24 hours in parts of Townsville. But since 9am, there had been only 10mm-20mm.
On Tuesday, between 55-70 mm of rain is forecast.

this is called WATER MANAGEMENT! QLD STYLE.....

makes sense to some!

haha the alternative is to keep the water in the dam and risk the whole dam wall be destroyed... then would see some carnage ,
as u say

makes sense to some

so flooding townships is the right thing to do.. Roll Eyes

IPSWICH ANYONE>.. Angry

two young men are missing up there...but dont let that get in the way of commonsense....

something should have been done years ago......to sit back and watch this go on year in year out appears to

make sense to some!

everyone knows dams OVER FILL they are built in places that would got the most natural water in the first place.. Angry

..

but to flood TOWNS.. thats are already inundated.....doesnt make any bloody sense to me..

You do show your stupidity sometimes cods!

IT HAD TO BE DONE TO PROTECT THE DAM

as it was already around 250% full I think they are quoting, have you seen the carnage of a dam collapsing?

Sad

of course it had to be done...

flood the already flooded why not?

we have beena federation for over 100 years

and the best we have come up with is..
open the flood gates and add to the overwhelming problems we already have... Roll Eyes

IPSWICH anyone..

usually we learn from our mistakes....well thats what I always told my kids anyway... try not to repeat them if you possibly can.... Roll Eyes

BUT THATS STOOOOOOPID according to red..

its been 9 years since Ipswich when over 30 people died... Angry

did they learn from that..? NO..

why cant dams have two spillways....one not directed at townships....in cases like this????...

every dam is built in a catchment area we understand that Qld in particular is prone to wild weather...that usually involves torrential rains .. yes funnily enough i do expect DAMS to fill up on those occasions...

and yes I would have thought by now someone would have realised opening the slipways onto already inundated towns was kinda NOT GOOD..

maybe thats just me..

thinking stoooopid of course. Huh

Good one cods maybe they could build this second overflow tunnel to the Murray Darling for the next time this occurs in thirty years!

Grin

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so building dams that have spillways that only open onto townships is the only way to build a dam..

Roll Eyes

yep I think that makes sense...

Roll Eyes

to some.

You obviously havent had to operate with budget limits if you think like that!

And what happens when the second overflow is too small to cope?

A third one!

"What happens to the breakdown van when the breakdown van breaks down?"

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Reply #50 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:53am

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cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:49am:

so building dams that have spillways that only open onto townships is the only way to build a dam..

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yep I think that makes sense...

Roll Eyes

to some.

There is always going to be some town downhill from a dam cods.

And downhill from cods second overflow but dont tell cods!

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Reply #51 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:02am

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:52am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:49am:

so building dams that have spillways that only open onto townships is the only way to build a dam..

Roll Eyes

yep I think that makes sense...

Roll Eyes

to some.

You obviously havent had to operate with budget limits if you think like that!

And what happens when the second overflow is too small to cope?

A third one!

"What happens to the breakdown van when the breakdown van breaks down?"

ok you win...

if we can find money for ROYALS which go nowhere shouldnt we have fixed the murray after all this time instead we make it worse...

dont worry though I will leave it ....

nothing wrong with what they are doing I get it?..

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Reply #52 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:04am

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:39am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:26am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:20am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:46am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:40am:

SUPER BILL will fix it....

hes got plans I am sure...hang in there not sure how Annas coping she almost invisible..make that is invisible..

The worst of conditions happened overnight after the Ross River dam’s floodgates were opened, sending 1,900 cubic metres of water gushing into the already inundated town.

We learned that authorities received more than 1,000 calls for help, while there were also 18 swift-water rescues.
About 16,000 homes were without power.
Officials faced some criticism for choosing not to impose a forced evacuation. They said they had provided sufficient warnings to residents, who had to take some personal responsibility for their welfare.
Today, authorities have been using boats, helicopters and, in some cases, garbage trucks, to rescue hundreds of Townsville residents.
The rain has eased in Townsville now, but a monsoon trough remains over the region, with more heavy rain expected.
At 5.30pm, the Bureau of Meteorology said there had been up to 268mm of rain over the past 24 hours in parts of Townsville. But since 9am, there had been only 10mm-20mm.
On Tuesday, between 55-70 mm of rain is forecast.

this is called WATER MANAGEMENT! QLD STYLE.....

makes sense to some!

haha the alternative is to keep the water in the dam and risk the whole dam wall be destroyed... then would see some carnage ,
as u say

makes sense to some

so flooding townships is the right thing to do.. Roll Eyes

IPSWICH ANYONE>.. Angry

two young men are missing up there...but dont let that get in the way of commonsense....

something should have been done years ago......to sit back and watch this go on year in year out appears to

make sense to some!

everyone knows dams OVER FILL they are built in places that would got the most natural water in the first place.. Angry

..

but to flood TOWNS.. thats are already inundated.....doesnt make any bloody sense to me..

You do show your stupidity sometimes cods!

IT HAD TO BE DONE TO PROTECT THE DAM

as it was already around 250% full I think they are quoting, have you seen the carnage of a dam collapsing?

Sad

of course it had to be done...

flood the already flooded why not?

we have beena federation for over 100 years

and the best we have come up with is..
open the flood gates and add to the overwhelming problems we already have... Roll Eyes

IPSWICH anyone..

usually we learn from our mistakes....well thats what I always told my kids anyway... try not to repeat them if you possibly can.... Roll Eyes

BUT THATS STOOOOOOPID according to red..

its been 9 years since Ipswich when over 30 people died... Angry

did they learn from that..? NO..

why cant dams have two spillways....one not directed at townships....in cases like this????...

every dam is built in a catchment area we understand that Qld in particular is prone to wild weather...that usually involves torrential rains .. yes funnily enough i do expect DAMS to fill up on those occasions...

and yes I would have thought by now someone would have realised opening the slipways onto already inundated towns was kinda NOT GOOD..

maybe thats just me..

thinking stoooopid of course. Huh

30 people didn't die in Ipswich

You know nothing about it.

The people that dies were in the Lockyer Valley ... around Helidon & Grantham .....

they were killed/washed away when a great wall of water came down off the Toowoomba ranges down an un-dammed Murphys Creek into Lockyer Creek ...

which flows into the Brisbane River below Wivenhoe dam ....

Wivenhoe dam held but releases had to be made ...

Ipswich sits on the Bremer River ... it flows into the Brisbane River at Moggill not far upstream in the Brisbane suburban area.

The 2011 floods in Ipswich & Brisbane were "moderate".

The flood catastrophe was in the Lockyer Valley between Ipswich and Toowoomba and had nothing to do with dams.

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Reply #53 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:08am

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:02am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:52am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:49am:

so building dams that have spillways that only open onto townships is the only way to build a dam..

Roll Eyes

yep I think that makes sense...

Roll Eyes

to some.

You obviously havent had to operate with budget limits if you think like that!

And what happens when the second overflow is too small to cope?

A third one!

"What happens to the breakdown van when the breakdown van breaks down?"

ok you win...

if we can find money for ROYALS which go nowhere shouldnt we have fixed the murray after all this time instead we make it worse...

dont worry though I will leave it ....

nothing wrong with what they are doing I get it?..

I think there is nothing wrong with how this has been handled!

The dam had a big safety margin to absorb most floods (250% seems reasonable to me)

the thinking would be the rain would ease and the excess could be released slowly

The rain didnt ease and this turned into an extreme event so hard decision had to be made rather than risk the dam.

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Reply #54 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:11am

Gnads wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:04am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:39am:

Redmond Neck wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 8:26am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 7:20am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:46am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:40am:

SUPER BILL will fix it....

hes got plans I am sure...hang in there not sure how Annas coping she almost invisible..make that is invisible..

The worst of conditions happened overnight after the Ross River dam’s floodgates were opened, sending 1,900 cubic metres of water gushing into the already inundated town.

We learned that authorities received more than 1,000 calls for help, while there were also 18 swift-water rescues.
About 16,000 homes were without power.
Officials faced some criticism for choosing not to impose a forced evacuation. They said they had provided sufficient warnings to residents, who had to take some personal responsibility for their welfare.
Today, authorities have been using boats, helicopters and, in some cases, garbage trucks, to rescue hundreds of Townsville residents.
The rain has eased in Townsville now, but a monsoon trough remains over the region, with more heavy rain expected.
At 5.30pm, the Bureau of Meteorology said there had been up to 268mm of rain over the past 24 hours in parts of Townsville. But since 9am, there had been only 10mm-20mm.
On Tuesday, between 55-70 mm of rain is forecast.

this is called WATER MANAGEMENT! QLD STYLE.....

makes sense to some!

haha the alternative is to keep the water in the dam and risk the whole dam wall be destroyed... then would see some carnage ,
as u say

makes sense to some

so flooding townships is the right thing to do.. Roll Eyes

IPSWICH ANYONE>.. Angry

two young men are missing up there...but dont let that get in the way of commonsense....

something should have been done years ago......to sit back and watch this go on year in year out appears to

make sense to some!

everyone knows dams OVER FILL they are built in places that would got the most natural water in the first place.. Angry

..

but to flood TOWNS.. thats are already inundated.....doesnt make any bloody sense to me..

You do show your stupidity sometimes cods!

IT HAD TO BE DONE TO PROTECT THE DAM

as it was already around 250% full I think they are quoting, have you seen the carnage of a dam collapsing?

Sad

of course it had to be done...

flood the already flooded why not?

we have beena federation for over 100 years

and the best we have come up with is..
open the flood gates and add to the overwhelming problems we already have... Roll Eyes

IPSWICH anyone..

usually we learn from our mistakes....well thats what I always told my kids anyway... try not to repeat them if you possibly can.... Roll Eyes

BUT THATS STOOOOOOPID according to red..

its been 9 years since Ipswich when over 30 people died... Angry

did they learn from that..? NO..

why cant dams have two spillways....one not directed at townships....in cases like this????...

every dam is built in a catchment area we understand that Qld in particular is prone to wild weather...that usually involves torrential rains .. yes funnily enough i do expect DAMS to fill up on those occasions...

and yes I would have thought by now someone would have realised opening the slipways onto already inundated towns was kinda NOT GOOD..

maybe thats just me..

thinking stoooopid of course. Huh

30 people didn't die in Ipswich

You know nothing about it.

The people that dies were in the Lockyer Valley ... around Helidon & Grantham .....

they were killed/washed away when a great wall of water came down off the Toowoomba ranges down an un-dammed Murphys Creek into Lockyer Creek ...

which flows into the Brisbane River below Wivenhoe dam ....

Wivenhoe dam held but releases had to be made ...

Ipswich sits on the Bremer River ... it flows into the Brisbane River at Moggill not far upstream in the Brisbane suburban area.

The 2011 floods in Ipswich & Brisbane were "moderate".

The flood catastrophe was in the Lockyer Valley between Ipswich and Toowoomba and had nothing to do with dams.

Going off half cocked again eh cods !! Roll Eyes

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Reply #56 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:21am

she just seems frustrated and hoping there r magical experts somewhere that can do a better job....
Unfortunately when a really big rainfall happens every 30 years or so,, not much we can do about it.....
No use blaming the government or Queensland... just the weather.....
When the ppl died in 2011 the rain hit Toowoomba so hard the main street flooded (its on top of the range ) and was unprecedented, u cant forecast that one day and large amount of rain will hit when its never done that before. Wink

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Reply #57 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:33am

2010–11 Queensland floods
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2010–2011 Queensland and New South Wales floods

Date November 2010 – January 2011
Location Much of central and southern Queensland including Brisbane, Rockhampton, Gympie, Emerald, Bundaberg, Dalby, Toowoomba, Roma, and Ipswich
Death(s) 33 dead and 3 missing (presumed dead)
Property damage A$2.38 ($2,389,225,876) billion; 200,000 people were affected.[1]
A series of floods hit Queensland, Australia, beginning in November 2010. The floods forced the evacuation of thousands of people from towns and cities.[2] At least 90 towns and over 200,000 people were affected.[2] Damage initially was estimated at around A$1 billion[3] before it was raised to $2.38 billion.[1] The estimated reduction in Australia's GDP is about A$30 billion.[4] As at March 2012, there were 33 deaths attributed to the 2010–11 Queensland floods with a further three people still missing.[5]

Three-quarters of the council areas within the state of Queensland were declared disaster zones.[6] Communities along the Fitzroy and Burnett Rivers were particularly hard hit, while the Condamine, Ballone and Mary Rivers recorded substantial flooding. An unexpected flash flood caused by a thunderstorm raced through Toowoomba's central business district. Rainfall from the same storm devastated communities in the Lockyer Valley. A few days later thousands of houses in Ipswich and Brisbane were inundated as the Brisbane River rose and Wivenhoe Dam used a considerable proportion of its flood mitigation capacity. Volunteers were quick to offer assistance, and sympathy was expressed from afar. A large mobilisation of the Australian Defence Force was activated and a relief fund created. The head of the recovery taskforce was Major General Michael Slater. The Queensland Reconstruction Authority (CEO was Graeme Newton) was formed to coordinate the rebuilding program beyond the initial task force, and a Commission of Inquiry was established to investigate all matters related to the floods.

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if dams were not involved why have an enquiry into them?..

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Reply #58 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:35am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:21am:

she just seems frustrated and hoping there r magical experts somewhere that can do a better job....
Unfortunately when a really big rainfall happens every 30 years or so,, not much we can do about it.....
No use blaming the government or Queensland... just the weather.....
When the ppl died in 2011 the rain hit Toowoomba so hard the main street flooded (its on top of the range ) and was unprecedented, u cant forecast that one day and large amount of rain will hit when its never done that before. Wink

it isnt 30 years since the last one.... Roll Eyes

so you think no changes need to be made...

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Reply #59 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:43am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:21am:

she just seems frustrated and hoping there r magical experts somewhere that can do a better job....
Unfortunately when a really big rainfall happens every 30 years or so,, not much we can do about it.....
No use blaming the government or Queensland... just the weather.....
When the ppl died in 2011 the rain hit Toowoomba so hard the main street flooded (its on top of the range ) and was unprecedented, u cant forecast that one day and large amount of rain will hit when its never done that before. Wink

Totally unheard of in Toowoombas history .... great torrents coming down a gully and down certain streets ... where you could stand on a side street and watch the cars & people go by .... up to the top of and over the railway station platforms.

Oh & some people also died in Toowoomba

none that I recall were killed because of rushing/rising flood waters in Ipswich ....

even though the Bremer rose higher than expected.

Most of the damage it did was where and around where it met the Brisbane river at Moggill.

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Reply #60 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:52am

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:35am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:21am:

she just seems frustrated and hoping there r magical experts somewhere that can do a better job....
Unfortunately when a really big rainfall happens every 30 years or so,, not much we can do about it.....
No use blaming the government or Queensland... just the weather.....
When the ppl died in 2011 the rain hit Toowoomba so hard the main street flooded (its on top of the range ) and was unprecedented, u cant forecast that one day and large amount of rain will hit when its never done that before. Wink

it isnt 30 years since the last one.... Roll Eyes

so you think no changes need to be made...

Cheesy

You cannot change unprecedented events of mother nature .....

your Ipswich example is not factual/correct.

No dams caused the flooding or increased the flooding.

Wivenhoe wasn't operational in 1974 ... so Somerset releases added minor increases to river levels.

In 2011 people were suffering Wivenhoe Syndrome because they mistakenly thought that would prevent any future flooding like 1974.

Somerset & WivenHoe didn't add to the 2011 floods.

The Bremer isn't in the same catchment & enters the Brisbane river 20 miles(as the crow flies) below Wivenhoe.

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Reply #62 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:58am

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:33am:

2010–11 Queensland floods
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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2010–2011 Queensland and New South Wales floods

Date November 2010 – January 2011
Location Much of central and southern Queensland including Brisbane, Rockhampton, Gympie, Emerald, Bundaberg, Dalby, Toowoomba, Roma, and Ipswich
Death(s) 33 dead and 3 missing (presumed dead)
Property damage A$2.38 ($2,389,225,876) billion; 200,000 people were affected.[1]
A series of floods hit Queensland, Australia, beginning in November 2010. The floods forced the evacuation of thousands of people from towns and cities.[2] At least 90 towns and over 200,000 people were affected.[2] Damage initially was estimated at around A$1 billion[3] before it was raised to $2.38 billion.[1] The estimated reduction in Australia's GDP is about A$30 billion.[4] As at March 2012, there were 33 deaths attributed to the 2010–11 Queensland floods with a further three people still missing.[5]

Three-quarters of the council areas within the state of Queensland were declared disaster zones.[6] Communities along the Fitzroy and Burnett Rivers were particularly hard hit, while the Condamine, Ballone and Mary Rivers recorded substantial flooding. An unexpected flash flood caused by a thunderstorm raced through Toowoomba's central business district. Rainfall from the same storm devastated communities in the Lockyer Valley. A few days later thousands of houses in Ipswich and Brisbane were inundated as the Brisbane River rose and Wivenhoe Dam used a considerable proportion of its flood mitigation capacity. Volunteers were quick to offer assistance, and sympathy was expressed from afar. A large mobilisation of the Australian Defence Force was activated and a relief fund created. The head of the recovery taskforce was Major General Michael Slater. The Queensland Reconstruction Authority (CEO was Graeme Newton) was formed to coordinate the rebuilding program beyond the initial task force, and a Commission of Inquiry was established to investigate all matters related to the floods.

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if dams were not involved why have an enquiry into them?..

Dams weren't involved in most of those deaths .... what can't you understand in that?

Floodwaters coming down from unprecedented rains on systems that don't have large dams/storages cannot be safeguarded against.

And deaths of people who deliberately & stupidly driving into flood waters have nothing to do with dams.

Wivenhoe & Somerset actually saved 2011 from being worse.

You seem to have some sort of mental block about understanding that when a dam gets beyond optimal capacity water releases have to be made ....

perhaps if anything Wivenhoe should have made releases earlier.

But because of our long dry spells & "water wise" & now money making mentality councils/govts/ water corporations try & save every litre they can.

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Reply #63 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 10:42am

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:35am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:21am:

she just seems frustrated and hoping there r magical experts somewhere that can do a better job....
Unfortunately when a really big rainfall happens every 30 years or so,, not much we can do about it.....
No use blaming the government or Queensland... just the weather.....
When the ppl died in 2011 the rain hit Toowoomba so hard the main street flooded (its on top of the range ) and was unprecedented, u cant forecast that one day and large amount of rain will hit when its never done that before. Wink

it isnt 30 years since the last one.... Roll Eyes

so you think no changes need to be made...

Cheesy

last big flood in Townsville was 1998 so 20 years...….. When u get 4feet of rain in a few days u just cant stop that.
SO far Townsville have had almost 1200mm of rain ….
Last year they got 1070mm of rain so in less than a week they got more rain than all of last year....
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/cw_032040.shtml
how high do u think we can make dams around the city to stop that kind of a downfall... where I live we only get 600mm of rain a year and we r only 100km's from the coast.
In 2015 Townville got just under 400mm of rain for the year.....
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-04/townsville-brownsvlle-dry-rainfall-bom-bu...
Townsville is usually know for being so dry...

Remember QLD is a big place and Brisbane Ipswich is 1000 kilometres from Townsville Wink

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Big water in the north, and a bit getting to the inland where it's welcome. Just amazing how many comments are posted on social media demanding that Queensland allow this water to run down the Darling system.. not a lot of geography happening in southern schools perhaps? Or maybe they are closet Bradfield scheme advocates?

https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-04/townsville-flood-police-cling-to-tree-...

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Reply #66 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 11:44am

Jasin wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:57pm:

They might call a National Emergency with this one.
The Floods of QLD.

Here is a timely and perfect example of the need for a national Canal network right across the continent.

Right now, there could be a QLD network of Canal systems that would be 'draining' all that floodwater away. The water up there would be 'moving' and not sitting like a dirty stagnant duckpond. All that water would, over the course of a few weeks - be transported (by gates, etc) across into lower NT, into NSW and as far as SA. There it will be put to good use. It could even feed a massive 'Ever-glades' like Wetlands in the middle of Australia.

A network of Canals, big and small (like they have in the Riverina) would enhance the landscape, provide much needed water access and basically add a lot of money to potentially opening up the entire interior to productivity and population.

But for now - the water remains in QLD.

It isn't done because it would be ridiculously expensive. As in trillions of dollars expensive

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Reply #67 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:30pm

Yes Stig - it would be massively expensive. But there always should be something happening, that always is - something productive, constructive and beneficial for our future.
We can do more than just a bloody harbour bridge and Opera House, surely? Huh

GNADS - that's a very good type of Map if that is indeed accurate? As you can see, 3/4's of the Map shows water around the edge of Australia flowing out, not much flowing inward, even via detour to the coast.
A 'heart' has half pumping in, other half pumping out.
Midnight Oil was right - ours is a Dead Heart or at least totally out of whack.

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Reply #68 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 1:44am

Stig wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 11:44am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:57pm:

They might call a National Emergency with this one.
The Floods of QLD.

Here is a timely and perfect example of the need for a national Canal network right across the continent.

Right now, there could be a QLD network of Canal systems that would be 'draining' all that floodwater away. The water up there would be 'moving' and not sitting like a dirty stagnant duckpond. All that water would, over the course of a few weeks - be transported (by gates, etc) across into lower NT, into NSW and as far as SA. There it will be put to good use. It could even feed a massive 'Ever-glades' like Wetlands in the middle of Australia.

A network of Canals, big and small (like they have in the Riverina) would enhance the landscape, provide much needed water access and basically add a lot of money to potentially opening up the entire interior to productivity and population.

But for now - the water remains in QLD.

It isn't done because it would be ridiculously expensive. As in trillions of dollars expensive

They were talking about how the project could be done for $9 billion. Apparently, there is an argument against channelling water from flood areas to more central areas of Australia. Western Qld would probably be better suited if the flood prone areas had pipes to be put in and directed through the towns on the way to more drought prone areas for times when places like Townsville are in flood. Something to mitigate the flooding and allowing the city to get back to business in little time.

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Reply #70 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:41am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 10:42am:

cods wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:35am:

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 9:21am:

she just seems frustrated and hoping there r magical experts somewhere that can do a better job....
Unfortunately when a really big rainfall happens every 30 years or so,, not much we can do about it.....
No use blaming the government or Queensland... just the weather.....
When the ppl died in 2011 the rain hit Toowoomba so hard the main street flooded (its on top of the range ) and was unprecedented, u cant forecast that one day and large amount of rain will hit when its never done that before. Wink

it isnt 30 years since the last one.... Roll Eyes

so you think no changes need to be made...

Cheesy

last big flood in Townsville was 1998 so 20 years...….. When u get 4feet of rain in a few days u just cant stop that.
SO far Townsville have had almost 1200mm of rain ….
Last year they got 1070mm of rain so in less than a week they got more rain than all of last year....
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/cw_032040.shtml
how high do u think we can make dams around the city to stop that kind of a downfall... where I live we only get 600mm of rain a year and we r only 100km's from the coast.
In 2015 Townville got just under 400mm of rain for the year.....
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-04/townsville-brownsvlle-dry-rainfall-bom-bu...
Townsville is usually know for being so dry...

Remember QLD is a big place and Brisbane Ipswich is 1000 kilometres from Townsville Wink

It's known as "The Night of Noah".

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Reply #71 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:46am

Jasin wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 6:30pm:

Yes Stig - it would be massively expensive. But there always should be something happening, that always is - something productive, constructive and beneficial for our future.
We can do more than just a bloody harbour bridge and Opera House, surely? Huh

GNADS - that's a very good type of Map if that is indeed accurate? As you can see, 3/4's of the Map shows water around the edge of Australia flowing out, not much flowing inward, even via detour to the coast.
A 'heart' has half pumping in, other half pumping out.
Midnight Oil was right - ours is a Dead Heart or at least totally out of whack.

The Lake Eyre Basin and the Murray Darling Basin cover vast areas of inland Australia.

The problem is that there is no regularity of flow in those(the largest in the country) catchments ..... because they are in very arid areas and it takes huge rains(like we are seeing now) to go down the whole system.....

those events just don't happen often enough.

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Reply #72 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:52am

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 1:44am:

Stig wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 11:44am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:57pm:

They might call a National Emergency with this one.
The Floods of QLD.

Here is a timely and perfect example of the need for a national Canal network right across the continent.

Right now, there could be a QLD network of Canal systems that would be 'draining' all that floodwater away. The water up there would be 'moving' and not sitting like a dirty stagnant duckpond. All that water would, over the course of a few weeks - be transported (by gates, etc) across into lower NT, into NSW and as far as SA. There it will be put to good use. It could even feed a massive 'Ever-glades' like Wetlands in the middle of Australia.

A network of Canals, big and small (like they have in the Riverina) would enhance the landscape, provide much needed water access and basically add a lot of money to potentially opening up the entire interior to productivity and population.

But for now - the water remains in QLD.

It isn't done because it would be ridiculously expensive. As in trillions of dollars expensive

They were talking about how the project could be done for $9 billion. Apparently, there is an argument against channelling water from flood areas to more central areas of Australia. Western Qld would probably be better suited if the flood prone areas had pipes to be put in and directed through the towns on the way to more drought prone areas for times when places like Townsville are in flood. Something to mitigate the flooding and allowing the city to get back to business in little time.

And tell me how much do you reckon it would cost to "pump" all that coastal water up over the Great Dividing range?

$9 billion wouldn't even scratch the surface.

I suppose they could pinch water out of the Burdekin Dam ...... but that would be robbing Peter to pay Paul .... possibly leaving the Burdekin Sugar industry short.

Not to mention the losses through soakage and evaporation down those huge inland waterways.

We certainly don't need intensive agriculture down the Cooper Creek, Diamantina, Georgina, Finke and other Channel Country rivers.

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Reply #73 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 9:31am

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 1:44am:

Stig wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 11:44am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:57pm:

They might call a National Emergency with this one.
The Floods of QLD.

Here is a timely and perfect example of the need for a national Canal network right across the continent.

Right now, there could be a QLD network of Canal systems that would be 'draining' all that floodwater away. The water up there would be 'moving' and not sitting like a dirty stagnant duckpond. All that water would, over the course of a few weeks - be transported (by gates, etc) across into lower NT, into NSW and as far as SA. There it will be put to good use. It could even feed a massive 'Ever-glades' like Wetlands in the middle of Australia.

A network of Canals, big and small (like they have in the Riverina) would enhance the landscape, provide much needed water access and basically add a lot of money to potentially opening up the entire interior to productivity and population.

But for now - the water remains in QLD.

It isn't done because it would be ridiculously expensive. As in trillions of dollars expensive

They were talking about how the project could be done for $9 billion. Apparently, there is an argument against channelling water from flood areas to more central areas of Australia. Western Qld would probably be better suited if the flood prone areas had pipes to be put in and directed through the towns on the way to more drought prone areas for times when places like Townsville are in flood. Something to mitigate the flooding and allowing the city to get back to business in little time.

You need to look at the costs v benefits.... stating a cost in isolation is false, since much of that will go back into the economy via taxation along the way, incomes for many, and so forth.. and when infrastructure is built and operating, there are (gasps) flow-on benefits as well, such as power generation and opportunity for development and production, thus (gasps) generating greater economic activity. Good place to spot the refos and immigros... employ the Blecks usefully so they can get out of the mire they are wallowing in ... learn the Wharte Man's way of working for a living and forget about Invention Day......

Solar/wind pumping to the top of the ranges and then acceleration downhill.. it's a big project but it is feasible.

The biggest problem I see with inlanding water is salinity...

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Reply #74 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 2:12pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:37pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 9:31pm:

Why not just put some big water tanks in outer space and pump the water up through flexible hoses, then we can drop it wherever we want. We could power it with whale blubber.

I want to run really thick fibre optic cable around the world and pipe sunlight in at night.

Superconducting HVDC cable is now at a stage where you could theoretically run such a cable around the world to utilise and distribute renewable energy. Given the nations that would be involved in such a project, it is currently not viable.

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Reply #77 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 3:24pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 1:44am:

Stig wrote on Feb 5^th, 2019 at 11:44am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:57pm:

They might call a National Emergency with this one.
The Floods of QLD.

Here is a timely and perfect example of the need for a national Canal network right across the continent.

Right now, there could be a QLD network of Canal systems that would be 'draining' all that floodwater away. The water up there would be 'moving' and not sitting like a dirty stagnant duckpond. All that water would, over the course of a few weeks - be transported (by gates, etc) across into lower NT, into NSW and as far as SA. There it will be put to good use. It could even feed a massive 'Ever-glades' like Wetlands in the middle of Australia.

A network of Canals, big and small (like they have in the Riverina) would enhance the landscape, provide much needed water access and basically add a lot of money to potentially opening up the entire interior to productivity and population.

But for now - the water remains in QLD.

It isn't done because it would be ridiculously expensive. As in trillions of dollars expensive

They were talking about how the project could be done for $9 billion. Apparently, there is an argument against channelling water from flood areas to more central areas of Australia. Western Qld would probably be better suited if the flood prone areas had pipes to be put in and directed through the towns on the way to more drought prone areas for times when places like Townsville are in flood. Something to mitigate the flooding and allowing the city to get back to business in little time.

$9 billion is a huge under-estimate. When you're talking about proper floods, you're talking billions of litres of water.

To move that kind of volume in anything approaching a reasonable timeframe (in order to avoid a flood) would require canals in the order of half a kilometre across, a hundred or more metres deep, ploughing straight across people's land, tunneling through mountains and with viaducts over valleys to avoid massive energy losses (and the need for even more pumps than the hundreds you would already require for the project)

As a back of hand estimate - if a VFT running Sydney to Canberra would cost $20-30 billion for just two tracks, imagine how much something 1000 times that in scale would cost.

The idea is fine, but the execution would cripple the economy.

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Reply #78 - Feb 6^th, 2019 at 9:03pm

I admit that the cost to do anything in Australia is a 'costly' act. A bridge cost in Australia would cost $millions, yet other nations can do it for just a 1/4 of the cost. Maybe blame the Unions for the high pay packets they afford to cheap Asian labour cashing in. Cheesy

Anyway - I wish to thank NITV (Aboriginal TV) for putting to air the Documentary:

1491: the Untold Story of the Americas

...which showed many examples right around the world stretching back to over 6,000 years of how so-called 'Primitive' peoples managed to produce massive Irrigation systems that could stretch for 800kms and service 40,000 hectares in the most arid areas to create productivity.

Funny how they could do it back then, everywhere.
But Australia's Political system can't and won't today. Roll Eyes

Hell, if it wasn't for a Dane. The Opera House would not exist. The Harbour Bridge is not much different to other such around the world.

Basically, I think - Australians have really achieved 'nothing' close to impressive here, in the 200+ years they've been here.

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Reply #84 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:33pm

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On the news last night.

People of Wilcannia complaining about their Drought, their empty river-beds and "Why can't that transfer that water from QLD down to here!?"

Again - thankyou! Wink

thats interesting I have asked that very thing quite a few times on here and got shouted down for my trouble.... it all costs to much... it too impractical....you dont know what your talking about..

you an idiot cods...they have no choice but to open floodgates onto innocent people and their homes and cattle....and all their worldly goods..... Roll Eyes

..

I even suggested bring in experts from around the world who couldnt make it any worse than it already is.. Roll Eyes

but again waste of time in fact one person thought the good people in Townsville had the time to read ozpol and would be offended because I suggested rain was a gift from god..... a metaphor I am sure you guys get it...but I was being insensitive to the poor souls in T'Ville even though opening the flood gates on them was seen as an act of faith... Roll Eyes

this is a case for experts not bumbling pollies who havent a clue and all running on a budget that also covers their first class travel everywhere...... Angry

I think I know who I would have more faith in.. Angry

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Reply #86 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:40pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:26pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:19pm:

On the news last night.

People of Wilcannia complaining about their Drought, their empty river-beds and "Why can't that transfer that water from QLD down to here!?"

Again - thankyou! Wink

Jas, how many KM do you think we need to move the water?

it doesnt matter..... it needs to be saved and used to keep a rivers from dying. and killing our fish.....

as jasin has pointed out 100s of years ago they had more commonsense and ability to make sure water was never wasted never ever ever......they knew how dependent mankind was on water even in those days...

yet here we are all standing around shaking our heads its all too hard its all too costly...

lets give up...

even it only some of it was channelled in to the river system its better than seeing it swept to sea time after time after time.......

funny how they call a competition to build a bridge or the opera house but when it comes to saving precious rain water .... nothing...

we build dams and guess what there is every chance they will fill up....so what do we do we build a gate so we can waste that very water we want to save...

no one has come up with a better idea to prevent that waste..grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

probably because no one has been asked to find a better way.. Angry

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Reply #88 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:41pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:26pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:19pm:

On the news last night.

People of Wilcannia complaining about their Drought, their empty river-beds and "Why can't that transfer that water from QLD down to here!?"

Again - thankyou! Wink

Jas, how many KM do you think we need to move the water?

KM?

It doesn't take much.
The Nile runs an entire length of a continent.
The Amazon branches out for another.

Both do wonders for the nations they exist in.

Having 'shallow' creek beds doesn't work - it accelerates evaporation (hot water). There will always be evaporation - but better in the air of that region (falls back down as dew to moisten the ground at night).

cods wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:33pm:

hats interesting I have asked that very thing quite a few times on here and got shouted down for my trouble.... it all costs to much... it too impractical....you dont know what your talking about..

you an idiot cods...they have no choice but to open floodgates onto innocent people and their homes and cattle....and all their worldly goods..... ..

I even suggested bring in experts from around the world who couldnt make it any worse than it already is..

but again waste of time in fact one person thought the good people in Townsville had the time to read ozpol and would be offended because I suggested rain was a gift from god..... a metaphor I am sure you guys get it...but I was being insensitive to the poor souls in T'Ville even though opening the flood gates on them was seen as an act of faith...

this is a case for experts not bumbling pollies who havent a clue and all running on a budget that also covers their first class travel everywhere......

I think I know who I would have more faith in..

Don't worry CODs - they said the same thing against Utzon and his design.
In fact, Australia is renowned for "It will never work!" because its populated by a people who "never work" to be honest. Highest disability, pension (and drug/alcohol) use per ratio of population than any other nation on the planet.

Would rather put their hands out for a 'Relief Package' - than actually do something long term to improve the situation.
Nothing but a bunch of 'Renters' here.

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Reply #89 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:46pm

cods wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:41pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:38pm:

I just checked Alibaba and you can get 200mm PVC drainage pipe for $2/m.

It may take a bit more than a weekend working bee but it's not an insurmountable job.

ok gordon youve made your point..

I'm actually with you on this one.

Sure it would be expensive but the benefit would be reaped by generations to come so the cost could be spread out over a few generations.

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Reply #90 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:54pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:46pm:

cods wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:41pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:38pm:

I just checked Alibaba and you can get 200mm PVC drainage pipe for $2/m.

It may take a bit more than a weekend working bee but it's not an insurmountable job.

ok gordon youve made your point..

I'm actually with you on this one.

Sure it would be expensive but the benefit would be reaped by generations to come so the cost could be spread out over a few generations.

BINGO!

Put aside the selfishness of the current generation.
USA builds a Wall.
N.Africa builds a Tree Wall against the desert.

...yet we can't even build one Canal from North to South.

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Reply #91 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 10:09pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:46pm:

cods wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:41pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:38pm:

I just checked Alibaba and you can get 200mm PVC drainage pipe for $2/m.

It may take a bit more than a weekend working bee but it's not an insurmountable job.

ok gordon youve made your point..

I'm actually with you on this one.

Sure it would be expensive but the benefit would be reaped by generations to come so the cost could be spread out over a few generations.

every body needs WATER so everybody has to pay..

they did it with the bridge....they needed it THEM not 50 yrs hence.....

when you think of the WIND &SOLAR systems they could build up there on all that land that is basically fit for nothing....to power pumps and maybe a system unlike the Suez or Panama canals....which still work today...doing a massive job.........when you see the structures built overseas.... we certainly lag in so many departments....

if we cant cant find a way to do it bring in someone who will..

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Reply #92 - Feb 7^th, 2019 at 10:14pm

My theory is that it is much like Sydney.

They don't want Sydney to be perfect, efficient, cost effective, etc.
Because it creates jobs trying to 'fix it' all the time, with no success. It's a car that constantly needing maintenance, but the husband won't buy a new one, because he then won't have an excuse to get out of the house and away from the wife.

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Reply #93 - Feb 8^th, 2019 at 6:40am

you could be right...when you think Sydney is modeled on old Sydney town founded 200 years ago... it shows how advanced we have become...

first they put down tram lines then they dig them up then they build a railway in the sky then they pull it down..now its SYdney light rail turn....started in 2015...and no end in sight...
4 years of utter chaos at your front door...

good one Sydney planners.

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Reply #94 - Feb 8^th, 2019 at 7:10am

Gordon wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:46pm:

cods wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:41pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:38pm:

I just checked Alibaba and you can get 200mm PVC drainage pipe for $2/m.

It may take a bit more than a weekend working bee but it's not an insurmountable job.

ok gordon youve made your point..

I'm actually with you on this one.

Sure it would be expensive but the benefit would be reaped by generations to come so the cost could be spread out over a few generations.

https://www.matrixpiping.com.au/pages/poly-pipe-prices

In real life u will need high pressure pipe.... Valves, anchor points and a lot of pumping stations... if u look at 800mm pipe its $800 a metre, so just the pipe to go from the Murry source to Townsville would be over 1,000,000 metres.... SO 800 million just for the pipe.

The most non invasive way to do the pipe is just use the railway corridor and u would probably be looking at 1.400.000 metres of pipe... If u could get rid of water friction it might just be feasible.... Wink

All this waiting for it to Flood in Townsville... like every 20 years... Don't forget In 2015 Townville got just under 400mm of rain for the year...….
Maybe add another 500km to the line so u can get a regular rainfall to fill the pipe.....
We cant just have portable Vacuums to get excess water from flooded area's (or maybe we can )

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Reply #95 - Feb 8^th, 2019 at 8:41am

DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 7:10am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:46pm:

cods wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:41pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:38pm:

I just checked Alibaba and you can get 200mm PVC drainage pipe for $2/m.

It may take a bit more than a weekend working bee but it's not an insurmountable job.

ok gordon youve made your point..

I'm actually with you on this one.

Sure it would be expensive but the benefit would be reaped by generations to come so the cost could be spread out over a few generations.

https://www.matrixpiping.com.au/pages/poly-pipe-prices

In real life u will need high pressure pipe.... Valves, anchor points and a lot of pumping stations... if u look at 800mm pipe its $800 a metre, so just the pipe to go from the Murry source to Townsville would be over 1,000,000 metres.... SO 800 million just for the pipe.

The most non invasive way to do the pipe is just use the railway corridor and u would probably be looking at 1.400.000 metres of pipe... If u could get rid of water friction it might just be feasible.... Wink

All this waiting for it to Flood in Townsville... like every 20 years... Don't forget In 2015 Townville got just under 400mm of rain for the year...….
Maybe add another 500km to the line so u can get a regular rainfall to fill the pipe.....
We cant just have portable Vacuums to get excess water from flooded area's (or maybe we can )

We're not doing it because it's easy Wink

So lets go with deep and narrow canals.

Food security will be one of the most pressing matters of the future so it's an inter-generational investment.

In the next few hundred years we'll have cracked fusion energy so we can expend nearly limitless amounts of energy moving the water and on desal plants to supplement areas closer to the coast.

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Reply #99 - Feb 8^th, 2019 at 3:59pm

Gnads wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:52am:

And tell me how much do you reckon it would cost to "pump" all that coastal water up over the Great Dividing range?

$9 billion wouldn't even scratch the surface.

I suppose they could pinch water out of the Burdekin Dam ...... but that would be robbing Peter to pay Paul .... possibly leaving the Burdekin Sugar industry short.

Not to mention the losses through soakage and evaporation down those huge inland waterways.

We certainly don't need intensive agriculture down the Cooper Creek, Diamantina, Georgina, Finke and other Channel Country rivers.

All that muddy floodwater could be drained to a water station/dam and then pumped inland to regions where there is a sizeable population centre. It does not have to be through canals. They pump gas through large pipes no trouble. Why not water as well?

How often do you see farmers not able to grow food or feed their cattle because they have no water to ward off the death of flora or fauna? I realise that it seems stupid to have farms in the middle of nowhere with the reliance of unseasonable rainfall to get them through. But we can't just keep not having no water for much of the year for centres that a large enough to sustain our agricultural industry.

Guess what? Australia is going to be the food bowl of the world. Better get on board and help the inland regions develop.

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Reply #101 - Feb 8^th, 2019 at 7:40pm

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 12:59pm:

It seems some people think that the only requirement to boost the economy is for the government to waste trillions of dollars of taxpayer's money on something, anything, no matter how ridiculous, so long as it stokes the imagination.

Like spending $millions on Indonesian Aid benefits and hand-me-down USA Military toys?

So what if it floods in Western QLD every 20 years. All the other years of Drought, I've sure they could be getting water from somewhere where it's flooding.

Why NOT have an 'immediate' series of Canals (Narrow and Deep: slows the evaporation rate) criss-crossing the interior? I'm sure any Farmer would like one running through his property and 'dewing' his land in the night.
My region has had substantial heavy rains at night - and yet these very shallow and sandy creeks run so quickly the water will be gone in just 1 week! Tongue

Maybe we should just keep paying the annual Farmer's Relief Packages like we do every bloody year - all in the $millions. Roll Eyes

The Canal system could easily be as beneficial as the Artery/Vein system of the human body.
Just because Political Australians have no imagination, keep the money spent in the A.C.T and only do something if its paid for by Britain and Politically corrected by the USA.

Let's privatise Australia and sell it to the highest bidder!
Better than still fiddle-farting with twiddle-dee (NLP) and twiddle-dum (ALP) who's agenda is NOT AUSTRALIA FIRST (because Abo's still own it).

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Reply #103 - Feb 8^th, 2019 at 7:43pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 3:59pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 6^th, 2019 at 7:52am:

And tell me how much do you reckon it would cost to "pump" all that coastal water up over the Great Dividing range?

$9 billion wouldn't even scratch the surface.

I suppose they could pinch water out of the Burdekin Dam ...... but that would be robbing Peter to pay Paul .... possibly leaving the Burdekin Sugar industry short.

Not to mention the losses through soakage and evaporation down those huge inland waterways.

We certainly don't need intensive agriculture down the Cooper Creek, Diamantina, Georgina, Finke and other Channel Country rivers.

All that muddy floodwater could be drained to a water station/dam and then pumped inland to regions where there is a sizeable population centre. It does not have to be through canals. They pump gas through large pipes no trouble. Why not water as well?

How often do you see farmers not able to grow food or feed their cattle because they have no water to ward off the death of flora or fauna? I realise that it seems stupid to have farms in the middle of nowhere with the reliance of unseasonable rainfall to get them through. But we can't just keep not having no water for much of the year for centres that a large enough to sustain our agricultural industry.

Guess what? Australia is going to be the food bowl of the world. Better get on board and help the inland regions develop.

I used to walk km's along the Sydney Water Pipeline out west to Penrith (Scenic Route) when pocket money was hard to come by as a teenager. Pipes that size are about as big as you want it as WATER creates a lot of FRICTION in its transportation. Sydney also has abundant WATER CANALS transporting its fresh water (I worked along them just a few years back). It all works - so why not do it for the entire nation!? Huh

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Reply #105 - Feb 8^th, 2019 at 8:37pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 7:40pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 12:59pm:

It seems some people think that the only requirement to boost the economy is for the government to waste trillions of dollars of taxpayer's money on something, anything, no matter how ridiculous, so long as it stokes the imagination.

Like spending $millions on Indonesian Aid benefits and hand-me-down USA Military toys?

So what if it floods in Western QLD every 20 years. All the other years of Drought, I've sure they could be getting water from somewhere where it's flooding.

Why NOT have an 'immediate' series of Canals (Narrow and Deep: slows the evaporation rate) criss-crossing the interior? I'm sure any Farmer would like one running through his property and 'dewing' his land in the night.
My region has had substantial heavy rains at night - and yet these very shallow and sandy creeks run so quickly the water will be gone in just 1 week! Tongue

Maybe we should just keep paying the annual Farmer's Relief Packages like we do every bloody year - all in the $millions. Roll Eyes

The Canal system could easily be as beneficial as the Artery/Vein system of the human body.
Just because Political Australians have no imagination, keep the money spent in the A.C.T and only do something if its paid for by Britain and Politically corrected by the USA.

Let's privatise Australia and sell it to the highest bidder!
Better than still fiddle-farting with twiddle-dee (NLP) and twiddle-dum (ALP) who's agenda is NOT AUSTRALIA FIRST (because Abo's still own it).

Because of the cost. The moment you ask "why not" as if the cost is not a reason, you lose all credibility. Donate your own money if you want, but don't expect taxpayers to fork out for the rest. Free water for farmers in arid areas is not some kind of fundamental human right.

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Reply #106 - Feb 8^th, 2019 at 10:13pm

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 8:37pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 7:40pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 12:59pm:

It seems some people think that the only requirement to boost the economy is for the government to waste trillions of dollars of taxpayer's money on something, anything, no matter how ridiculous, so long as it stokes the imagination.

Like spending $millions on Indonesian Aid benefits and hand-me-down USA Military toys?

So what if it floods in Western QLD every 20 years. All the other years of Drought, I've sure they could be getting water from somewhere where it's flooding.

Why NOT have an 'immediate' series of Canals (Narrow and Deep: slows the evaporation rate) criss-crossing the interior? I'm sure any Farmer would like one running through his property and 'dewing' his land in the night.
My region has had substantial heavy rains at night - and yet these very shallow and sandy creeks run so quickly the water will be gone in just 1 week! Tongue

Maybe we should just keep paying the annual Farmer's Relief Packages like we do every bloody year - all in the $millions. Roll Eyes

The Canal system could easily be as beneficial as the Artery/Vein system of the human body.
Just because Political Australians have no imagination, keep the money spent in the A.C.T and only do something if its paid for by Britain and Politically corrected by the USA.

Let's privatise Australia and sell it to the highest bidder!
Better than still fiddle-farting with twiddle-dee (NLP) and twiddle-dum (ALP) who's agenda is NOT AUSTRALIA FIRST (because Abo's still own it).

Because of the cost. The moment you ask "why not" as if the cost is not a reason, you lose all credibility. Donate your own money if you want, but don't expect taxpayers to fork out for the rest. Free water for farmers in arid areas is not some kind of fundamental human right.

1. Who said it will be 'free' water?
2. Definitely be accessible water at least, considering before there was none - regardless of cost.
3. I think having water provision in desert/arid/drought striken regions of habitation is every right.
4. What are you white people doing here in Australia, beyond just doing exactly what they do in the UK/USA?
4(a). As if that hasn't been done already before (repeat! Roll Eyes

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5. Americans have been to Space, landed on the Moon, sent probes to other worlds, viewed the Universe and become the greatest Aviation nation on the planet... and Australians have done 'what' exactly? Huh

Oh yeah - come up with words like "Bloody and C'mon" and waved flags on Jan 26th Roll Eyes

Real exciting stuff Roll Eyes

6. If Australia is to become a Republic - then it needs to be far more self-sufficient and 'sustain' itself beyond depending on the UK AND the USA like a 'Sock'.
7. And you wonder why the Aboriginals never really kicked on here for 40,000 years? Huh

Too dry maybe? Tongue

8. Oh I'm sure if there was an outcome of Productivity that made the Riverina just 2% of what could be achieved, a jobs boom like no Mining Company could offer and finally a sense of 'worth' for the Outback that has been promoted by white people as a harsh 'waste of space' in movies - then I'm sire every Taxpayer would indeed say "Money well spent for once".
9. Excuse me for dreaming a dream that isn't British, American or Aboriginal.
10. It will happen.

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Who said it will be 'free' water?
2. Definitely be accessible water at least, considering before there was none - regardless of cost.

You have shown, and continue to show, complete disregard for and disinterest in the cost. Yet that is exactly what it boils down to. If the the farmers were willing to pay the cost, it would have happened already. It would not be a matter of the government doing it for them, but a matter of the government getting out of the way and letting it happen, which does happen and there are plenty of massive privately funded irrigation schemes around, just not on a scale of stupid. No-one is offering to pay for this, directly or indirectly. All we have is naive dreamers wanting to spend billions of dollars of other people's money because they think all our problems would be solved if only the government would "do something".

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Reply #109 - Feb 8^th, 2019 at 10:55pm

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 10:48pm:

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Who said it will be 'free' water?
2. Definitely be accessible water at least, considering before there was none - regardless of cost.

You have shown, and continue to show, complete disregard for and disinterest in the cost. Yet that is exactly what it boils down to. If the the farmers were willing to pay the cost, it would have happened already. It would not be a matter of the government doing it for them, but a matter of the government getting out of the way and letting it happen, which does happen and there are plenty of massive privately funded irrigation schemes around, just not on a scale of stupid. No-one is offering to pay for this, directly or indirectly.

All we have is naive dreamers wanting to spend billions of dollars of other people's money because they think all our problems would be solved if only the government would "do something".

Yep.

Good post.

'Spending billions of dollars of other people's money', is not a rational 'solution' to any problem.
....as has been proven, many, many times before.

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Reply #110 - Feb 8^th, 2019 at 11:19pm

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 10:48pm:

Quote:

Who said it will be 'free' water?
2. Definitely be accessible water at least, considering before there was none - regardless of cost.

You have shown, and continue to show, complete disregard for and disinterest in the cost. Yet that is exactly what it boils down to. If the the farmers were willing to pay the cost, it would have happened already. It would not be a matter of the government doing it for them, but a matter of the government getting out of the way and letting it happen, which does happen and there are plenty of massive privately funded irrigation schemes around, just not on a scale of stupid. No-one is offering to pay for this, directly or indirectly. All we have is naive dreamers wanting to spend billions of dollars of other people's money because they think all our problems would be solved if only the government would "do something".

I'm not taking either side on this issue but I will on govt works. Private enterprise can never do what govts can. Private enterprise needs returns right now, govt can bank on returns far into the future. If the conservatives had their way, the Sydney harbour Bridge would have been two lanes. If the conservatives had their way the Snowy would never have been built, if the conservatives had their way the Hoover dam would not exist. The Ord river scheme is still being debated, I think it has a great future but it's something private enterprise could never do. Private enterprise is great for here and now but is not for nation building, it does not care about the future.

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Reply #111 - Feb 8^th, 2019 at 11:25pm

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 10:48pm:

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Who said it will be 'free' water?
2. Definitely be accessible water at least, considering before there was none - regardless of cost.

You have shown, and continue to show, complete disregard for and disinterest in the cost. Yet that is exactly what it boils down to. If the the farmers were willing to pay the cost, it would have happened already. It would not be a matter of the government doing it for them, but a matter of the government getting out of the way and letting it happen, which does happen and there are plenty of massive privately funded irrigation schemes around, just not on a scale of stupid. No-one is offering to pay for this, directly or indirectly. All we have is naive dreamers wanting to spend billions of dollars of other people's money because they think all our problems would be solved if only the government would "do something".

And what do you think the Politicians are doing?
How many $ millions for the French to build 'our' Submarines
How many $ millions for USA hand-me-down military toys
How many $millions for Indonesian education?
How many $ millions spent by ALP for many Companies who 'folded' in Australia?
How many $ BILLIONS spent funding the U.N bills with a few other nations while 95% of every other nation hasn't paid their credit card debts?

...oh the list goes on! Roll Eyes

Don't tell us about 'COST' when the cost is just a priority issue.

NBN $millions anyone? Huh

Relief Packages here and overseas = $millions ...anyone? Huh

I'm pretty sure there would be 'minimal' cost involved in the first step of 'Research' into viable 'approach' towards implementing a 'system' that would provide such as mentioned through-out this topic and since one of my first Topics on this Forum "The Canals of Mars".

Cost?
Bah Humbug!
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Reply #112 - Feb 8^th, 2019 at 11:27pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 11:19pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 10:48pm:

Quote:

Who said it will be 'free' water?
2. Definitely be accessible water at least, considering before there was none - regardless of cost.

You have shown, and continue to show, complete disregard for and disinterest in the cost. Yet that is exactly what it boils down to. If the the farmers were willing to pay the cost, it would have happened already. It would not be a matter of the government doing it for them, but a matter of the government getting out of the way and letting it happen, which does happen and there are plenty of massive privately funded irrigation schemes around, just not on a scale of stupid. No-one is offering to pay for this, directly or indirectly. All we have is naive dreamers wanting to spend billions of dollars of other people's money because they think all our problems would be solved if only the government would "do something".

I'm not taking either side on this issue but I will on govt works. Private enterprise can never do what govts can. Private enterprise needs returns right now, govt can bank on returns far into the future. If the conservatives had their way, the Sydney harbour Bridge would have been two lanes. If the conservatives had their way the Snowy would never have been built, if the conservatives had their way the Hoover dam would not exist. The Ord river scheme is still being debated, I think it has a great future but it's something private enterprise could never do. Private enterprise is great for here and now but is not for nation building, it does not care about the future.

You want something big done? Govt needs to do it.

And the BIGGEST

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(wait for it!)
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Reply #113 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:40am

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 10:48pm:

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Who said it will be 'free' water?
2. Definitely be accessible water at least, considering before there was none - regardless of cost.

You have shown, and continue to show, complete disregard for and disinterest in the cost. Yet that is exactly what it boils down to. If the the farmers were willing to pay the cost, it would have happened already. It would not be a matter of the government doing it for them, but a matter of the government getting out of the way and letting it happen, which does happen and there are plenty of massive privately funded irrigation schemes around, just not on a scale of stupid. No-one is offering to pay for this, directly or indirectly. All we have is naive dreamers wanting to spend billions of dollars of other people's money because they think all our problems would be solved if only the government would "do something".

If the government did one of these things and the running costs where high, then all these same ppl would complain about how useless the government are as well... Like what happened with the big desalination plants

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Reply #114 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:03am

Setanta wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 11:19pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 10:48pm:

Quote:

Who said it will be 'free' water?
2. Definitely be accessible water at least, considering before there was none - regardless of cost.

You have shown, and continue to show, complete disregard for and disinterest in the cost. Yet that is exactly what it boils down to. If the the farmers were willing to pay the cost, it would have happened already. It would not be a matter of the government doing it for them, but a matter of the government getting out of the way and letting it happen, which does happen and there are plenty of massive privately funded irrigation schemes around, just not on a scale of stupid. No-one is offering to pay for this, directly or indirectly. All we have is naive dreamers wanting to spend billions of dollars of other people's money because they think all our problems would be solved if only the government would "do something".

I'm not taking either side on this issue but I will on govt works. Private enterprise can never do what govts can. Private enterprise needs returns right now, govt can bank on returns far into the future. If the conservatives had their way, the Sydney harbour Bridge would have been two lanes. If the conservatives had their way the Snowy would never have been built, if the conservatives had their way the Hoover dam would not exist. The Ord river scheme is still being debated, I think it has a great future but it's something private enterprise could never do. Private enterprise is great for here and now but is not for nation building, it does not care about the future.

You want something big done? Govt needs to do it.

And yet the government calls on private enterprise for all the big new freeway projects.

Private enterprise is just as happy to make returns in the future, so long as they are real, not imaginary. If the government makes an investment whose value is only 1% per annum of the initial cost, that is a reason for the government not making investments.

Jasin wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 11:25pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 10:48pm:

Quote:

Who said it will be 'free' water?
2. Definitely be accessible water at least, considering before there was none - regardless of cost.

You have shown, and continue to show, complete disregard for and disinterest in the cost. Yet that is exactly what it boils down to. If the the farmers were willing to pay the cost, it would have happened already. It would not be a matter of the government doing it for them, but a matter of the government getting out of the way and letting it happen, which does happen and there are plenty of massive privately funded irrigation schemes around, just not on a scale of stupid. No-one is offering to pay for this, directly or indirectly. All we have is naive dreamers wanting to spend billions of dollars of other people's money because they think all our problems would be solved if only the government would "do something".

And what do you think the Politicians are doing?
How many $ millions for the French to build 'our' Submarines
How many $ millions for USA hand-me-down military toys
How many $millions for Indonesian education?
How many $ millions spent by ALP for many Companies who 'folded' in Australia?
How many $ BILLIONS spent funding the U.N bills with a few other nations while 95% of every other nation hasn't paid their credit card debts?

...oh the list goes on! Roll Eyes

Don't tell us about 'COST' when the cost is just a priority issue.

NBN $millions anyone? Huh

Relief Packages here and overseas = $millions ...anyone? Huh

I'm pretty sure there would be 'minimal' cost involved in the first step of 'Research' into viable 'approach' towards implementing a 'system' that would provide such as mentioned through-out this topic and since one of my first Topics on this Forum "The Canals of Mars".

Cost?
Bah Humbug!
We pay TAX and WE - the Common People of our own Common 'Wealth' say we want it spent on 'this'. Now get to work! Angry

So you hate government waste, but you want the government to waste money on a whole new level on something you have a vague, passing interest in?

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Reply #115 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:15am

I see no practical way u can contain flood water and in the case of Townsville u could be waiting years between floods.
So what is really required is a place that rains a lot and regularly and capture that downfall before it goes to sea.....
Then find a way to mass store it, then a way to transport the water where needed, then figure out a way to use the water wisely ( I mean if it goes into the Murry and 500km's down the river it just gets pumped into cotton fields). Then work out running costs and maintenance for this... then compare to other methods of doing it (like desalination plants).
It all sounds like a lot of money and even worse a lot of wasted money...... How about moving the agriculture to the area's with lots of rain and closing down those places that pump the Murry dry ?
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Reply #118 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:25am

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:23am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:16am:

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:03am:

And yet the government calls on private enterprise for all the big new freeway projects.

sign their mates up to cash cows? gee, I wonder why.

I think one of them almost sent one of the large engineering companies bankrupt.

politicians can screw anything up, even a sure thing.

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Reply #119 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 12:55pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:25am:

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:23am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:16am:

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:03am:

And yet the government calls on private enterprise for all the big new freeway projects.

sign their mates up to cash cows? gee, I wonder why.

I think one of them almost sent one of the large engineering companies bankrupt.

politicians can screw anything up, even a sure thing.

No need - it's all done with contractors and sub-contractors anyway, and a government body is just as good at securing those as any private consortium and more likely to protect worker's rights, and then the fees can be lower and calculated over the long term without 'need' to pay exorbitant salaries, unwarranted clerical staff, and shareholders, and the result is the same.

It's not as if a private consortium gets out with pick and shovel and digs a freeway, is it? To think they even begin to do so is naive in the extreme.

The Sydney to Brisbane is going at a great rate and nearly finished.... all government hiring contractors.... no ceo's, board members, no staff to run sales and billing, no machines to collect tolls, no shareholders to pay off .... coupla hiccups due to Gladys' incompetence - the Hexham Bridge area and Coffs Harbour each need a bypass desperately, but footie grounds are more important.

Why can't this be done with all FREEways instead of privately owned Motorways? Motorists could use a FREEway, even with a fee, at about half the price.

If they slugged me $10 each way to travel the coast to visit the grand-kids, I'd be happy to pay - and MILLIONS of vehicles use that road every year......

Stoopid is as stoopid does.... and stoopidest is feeding your parasite mates for doing nothing.

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Reply #120 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 1:40pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:25am:

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:23am:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:16am:

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:03am:

And yet the government calls on private enterprise for all the big new freeway projects.

sign their mates up to cash cows? gee, I wonder why.

I think one of them almost sent one of the large engineering companies bankrupt.

politicians can screw anything up, even a sure thing.

This one was entirely the private company's fault. They completely misjudged the amount of traffic that would go through.

In any case, there are companies around with a bigger budget than the Australian government. It's no longer true that you need the government for a big project. You just need them to get out of the way. For example, the government is not putting in that big new mine in QLD. Adani is. But the government might still stop it.

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Reply #121 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 1:55pm

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 1:40pm:

This one was entirely the private company's fault. They completely misjudged the amount of traffic that would go through.

You're referring to the clem7 ? ..... The estimates were ridiculous. Wishful thinking more than anything else. Either that or deliberate lies to boost investor demand.
They average about 1/3 of their estimated daily traffic. Cheesy

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Reply #123 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 2:37pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:57pm:

They might call a National Emergency with this one.
The Floods of QLD.

Here is a timely and perfect example of the need for a national Canal network right across the continent.

Right now, there could be a QLD network of Canal systems that would be 'draining' all that floodwater away. The water up there would be 'moving' and not sitting like a dirty stagnant duckpond. All that water would, over the course of a few weeks - be transported (by gates, etc) across into lower NT, into NSW and as far as SA. There it will be put to good use. It could even feed a massive 'Ever-glades' like Wetlands in the middle of Australia.

A network of Canals, big and small (like they have in the Riverina) would enhance the landscape, provide much needed water access and basically add a lot of money to potentially opening up the entire interior to productivity and population.

But for now - the water remains in QLD.

You'd have to employ the chinese to do this because the f.ckwitts in canberra would have no idea !

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Reply #124 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 3:13pm

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:03am:

Setanta wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 11:19pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 10:48pm:

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Who said it will be 'free' water?
2. Definitely be accessible water at least, considering before there was none - regardless of cost.

You have shown, and continue to show, complete disregard for and disinterest in the cost. Yet that is exactly what it boils down to. If the the farmers were willing to pay the cost, it would have happened already. It would not be a matter of the government doing it for them, but a matter of the government getting out of the way and letting it happen, which does happen and there are plenty of massive privately funded irrigation schemes around, just not on a scale of stupid. No-one is offering to pay for this, directly or indirectly. All we have is naive dreamers wanting to spend billions of dollars of other people's money because they think all our problems would be solved if only the government would "do something".

I'm not taking either side on this issue but I will on govt works. Private enterprise can never do what govts can. Private enterprise needs returns right now, govt can bank on returns far into the future. If the conservatives had their way, the Sydney harbour Bridge would have been two lanes. If the conservatives had their way the Snowy would never have been built, if the conservatives had their way the Hoover dam would not exist. The Ord river scheme is still being debated, I think it has a great future but it's something private enterprise could never do. Private enterprise is great for here and now but is not for nation building, it does not care about the future.

You want something big done? Govt needs to do it.

And yet the government calls on private enterprise for all the big new freeway projects.

Private enterprise is just as happy to make returns in the future, so long as they are real, not imaginary. If the government makes an investment whose value is only 1% per annum of the initial cost, that is a reason for the government not making investments.

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freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 10:48pm:

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Who said it will be 'free' water?
2. Definitely be accessible water at least, considering before there was none - regardless of cost.

You have shown, and continue to show, complete disregard for and disinterest in the cost. Yet that is exactly what it boils down to. If the the farmers were willing to pay the cost, it would have happened already. It would not be a matter of the government doing it for them, but a matter of the government getting out of the way and letting it happen, which does happen and there are plenty of massive privately funded irrigation schemes around, just not on a scale of stupid. No-one is offering to pay for this, directly or indirectly. All we have is naive dreamers wanting to spend billions of dollars of other people's money because they think all our problems would be solved if only the government would "do something".

And what do you think the Politicians are doing?
How many $ millions for the French to build 'our' Submarines
How many $ millions for USA hand-me-down military toys
How many $millions for Indonesian education?
How many $ millions spent by ALP for many Companies who 'folded' in Australia?
How many $ BILLIONS spent funding the U.N bills with a few other nations while 95% of every other nation hasn't paid their credit card debts?

...oh the list goes on! Roll Eyes

Don't tell us about 'COST' when the cost is just a priority issue.

NBN $millions anyone? Huh

Relief Packages here and overseas = $millions ...anyone? Huh

I'm pretty sure there would be 'minimal' cost involved in the first step of 'Research' into viable 'approach' towards implementing a 'system' that would provide such as mentioned through-out this topic and since one of my first Topics on this Forum "The Canals of Mars".

Cost?
Bah Humbug!
We pay TAX and WE - the Common People of our own Common 'Wealth' say we want it spent on 'this'. Now get to work! Angry

So you hate government waste, but you want the government to waste money on a whole new level on something you have a vague, passing interest in?

I've worked in the 'Waste' Industry and I'm not just talking about having to look after people who care constantly 'Wasted' as well. As long as Australian Politics continues the empowerment of the 'Individual' (Prime Minister) over that of the 'General Mass' - everything that is currently being spent on and in the past has indeed, been a giant 'WASTE' for nothing but their benefit of the USA.

Prime Ministers are nothing but scum for the USA, keeping our nation 'crapped out' to make USA look better than it really is.
I support the Governor-General, who does empower us, over himself/herself as his/her fullfillment is to serve Great Britain and its King/Queen.
With this - 'we' the Common People of her Majesties Common Wealth shall declare WAR on your Prime Ministership's service to the USA and any 'Mercenary' that has fought for the USA in its Privatised wars.

Both ALP and NLP will soon feel the true power of Terra Australis, Great South Land, Endrax Land, New Holland, Ophir, AustralAsia, Aurora and Azlaroc and its true people.

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Reply #125 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 3:22pm

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I see no practical way u can contain flood water and in the case of Townsville u could be waiting years between floods.
So what is really required is a place that rains a lot and regularly and capture that downfall before it goes to sea.....
Then find a way to mass store it, then a way to transport the water where needed, then figure out a way to use the water wisely ( I mean if it goes into the Murry and 500km's down the river it just gets pumped into cotton fields). Then work out running costs and maintenance for this... then compare to other methods of doing it (like desalination plants).
It all sounds like a lot of money and even worse a lot of wasted money...... How about moving the agriculture to the area's with lots of rain and closing down those places that pump the Murry dry ?
Why bring the mountain to Mohamed ? Wink

Because a lot of 'well rained' regions of this country are covered in 'cement' in the way of mass-production of humans... Hu being a Yellow Man's word for 'Spiritual', known as CITIES (Citi-ZENS).
All the more 'fertile' lands run along the Coastlines and yet, it is here that the greatest density of cities and mass-population are existing over with a layer of cement, brick, tar and steels.
If technology is the creation of Man then surely the White Man is SATAN, for all that he creates 'destroys, poisons, sickens, kills, make extinct and murders' has wrought only DEATH for this planet.

In fact - satellite images have shown that taken over a 10 year window. A region of land in WA that was split in half by the Rabbit Proof Fence - the side closest to Perth side was deforested and made a Wheat expanse. The side of the border with SA, was left as was. Previously it had rained every year over BOTH sections, but now it doesn't rain over the Wheat side. Why? Because TREES help make rain.

You tell me - which side had the 'Rabbits' on? Huh

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Reply #126 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 3:37pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 2:37pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:57pm:

They might call a National Emergency with this one.
The Floods of QLD.

Here is a timely and perfect example of the need for a national Canal network right across the continent.

Right now, there could be a QLD network of Canal systems that would be 'draining' all that floodwater away. The water up there would be 'moving' and not sitting like a dirty stagnant duckpond. All that water would, over the course of a few weeks - be transported (by gates, etc) across into lower NT, into NSW and as far as SA. There it will be put to good use. It could even feed a massive 'Ever-glades' like Wetlands in the middle of Australia.

A network of Canals, big and small (like they have in the Riverina) would enhance the landscape, provide much needed water access and basically add a lot of money to potentially opening up the entire interior to productivity and population.

But for now - the water remains in QLD.

You'd have to employ the chinese to do this because the f.ckwitts in canberra would have no idea !

WOW!!! THAT JUST BLEW ME AWAY!!!

(Why can't you post like Last Nail, eh FreeDiver? Cheesy

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I tend to think that Australians seem to know what's best for everyone else overseas. But have no idea what's best for themselves. Let Multi-Culturalism work its magic and let overseas - know what's best for us and our country. Fair DINKUM, these Chinese would make good work of Australia building our Canals and Waterways and mini-Venice towns along them like Freeways have Servos and Fast Food outlets.
There you go - we've found our EXPERTS!
Lets hire em!

Australia is one of the Wealthiest Nations on the Planet and we are here crying like a 'poor Convict' - "It's costly!"
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Reply #127 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:47pm

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Guess what? Australia is going to be the food bowl of the world.

Why not the basket weaving capital?

Have you seen the trend in agricultural exports as a percentage of GDP?

Your thinking is the basket case of the world. We Australians have not even realised our potential in agricultural production. We need to move away from being a "dig shtuff up and send it to China" thinking. And whilst I am aware that our manufacturing industries could be reignited to a reasonable level, we have to look after our primary industries, first.

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Reply #128 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:55pm

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 8:37pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 7:40pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 12:59pm:

It seems some people think that the only requirement to boost the economy is for the government to waste trillions of dollars of taxpayer's money on something, anything, no matter how ridiculous, so long as it stokes the imagination.

Like spending $millions on Indonesian Aid benefits and hand-me-down USA Military toys?

So what if it floods in Western QLD every 20 years. All the other years of Drought, I've sure they could be getting water from somewhere where it's flooding.

Why NOT have an 'immediate' series of Canals (Narrow and Deep: slows the evaporation rate) criss-crossing the interior? I'm sure any Farmer would like one running through his property and 'dewing' his land in the night.
My region has had substantial heavy rains at night - and yet these very shallow and sandy creeks run so quickly the water will be gone in just 1 week! Tongue

Maybe we should just keep paying the annual Farmer's Relief Packages like we do every bloody year - all in the $millions. Roll Eyes

The Canal system could easily be as beneficial as the Artery/Vein system of the human body.
Just because Political Australians have no imagination, keep the money spent in the A.C.T and only do something if its paid for by Britain and Politically corrected by the USA.

Let's privatise Australia and sell it to the highest bidder!
Better than still fiddle-farting with twiddle-dee (NLP) and twiddle-dum (ALP) who's agenda is NOT AUSTRALIA FIRST (because Abo's still own it).

Because of the cost. The moment you ask "why not" as if the cost is not a reason, you lose all credibility. Donate your own money if you want, but don't expect taxpayers to fork out for the rest. Free water for farmers in arid areas is not some kind of fundamental human right.

Because cities need to build new stadiums every few years at a cost of half a billion dollars, for the sake of making 'some' money. Meanwhile, rural regions keep getting depopulated by the young moving away, and the rest seeing exacerbated levels of suicide from destitute situations involving no water availability.

Water is a fundamental human right, and it is stupid that you do not know that.

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Reply #129 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 5:34pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:47pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 7:37pm:

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Guess what? Australia is going to be the food bowl of the world.

Why not the basket weaving capital?

Have you seen the trend in agricultural exports as a percentage of GDP?

Your thinking is the basket case of the world. We Australians have not even realised our potential in agricultural production. We need to move away from being a "dig shtuff up and send it to China" thinking. And whilst I am aware that our manufacturing industries could be reignited to a reasonable level, we have to look after our primary industries, first.

Or maybe you want to starve.

Yep!

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Reply #130 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 5:38pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:55pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 8:37pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 7:40pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 12:59pm:

It seems some people think that the only requirement to boost the economy is for the government to waste trillions of dollars of taxpayer's money on something, anything, no matter how ridiculous, so long as it stokes the imagination.

Like spending $millions on Indonesian Aid benefits and hand-me-down USA Military toys?

So what if it floods in Western QLD every 20 years. All the other years of Drought, I've sure they could be getting water from somewhere where it's flooding.

Why NOT have an 'immediate' series of Canals (Narrow and Deep: slows the evaporation rate) criss-crossing the interior? I'm sure any Farmer would like one running through his property and 'dewing' his land in the night.
My region has had substantial heavy rains at night - and yet these very shallow and sandy creeks run so quickly the water will be gone in just 1 week! Tongue

Maybe we should just keep paying the annual Farmer's Relief Packages like we do every bloody year - all in the $millions. Roll Eyes

The Canal system could easily be as beneficial as the Artery/Vein system of the human body.
Just because Political Australians have no imagination, keep the money spent in the A.C.T and only do something if its paid for by Britain and Politically corrected by the USA.

Let's privatise Australia and sell it to the highest bidder!
Better than still fiddle-farting with twiddle-dee (NLP) and twiddle-dum (ALP) who's agenda is NOT AUSTRALIA FIRST (because Abo's still own it).

Because of the cost. The moment you ask "why not" as if the cost is not a reason, you lose all credibility. Donate your own money if you want, but don't expect taxpayers to fork out for the rest. Free water for farmers in arid areas is not some kind of fundamental human right.

Because cities need to build new stadiums every few years at a cost of half a billion dollars, for the sake of making 'some' money. Meanwhile, rural regions keep getting depopulated by the young moving away, and the rest seeing exacerbated levels of suicide from destitute situations involving no water availability.

Water is a fundamental human right, and it is stupid that you do not know that.

A VERY IMPORTANT POINT MADE!

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Reply #132 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:03pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:47pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 7:37pm:

Quote:

Guess what? Australia is going to be the food bowl of the world.

Why not the basket weaving capital?

Have you seen the trend in agricultural exports as a percentage of GDP?

Your thinking is the basket case of the world. We Australians have not even realised our potential in agricultural production. We need to move away from being a "dig shtuff up and send it to China" thinking. And whilst I am aware that our manufacturing industries could be reignited to a reasonable level, we have to look after our primary industries, first.

Or maybe you want to starve.

I don't care about our potential in agricultural production any more than I care about our potential in basket weaving. No disrespect to our basket weavers of course. They do a fine job in tough economic conditions. But their profits are hardly a measure of our nation's strength. Agriculture as a percentage of GDP has been shrinking since the invention of coins.

This is no different to those who fret that our economy will suffer if we stop subsidising the local automobile, clothing or music industry.

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Reply #133 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:18pm

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:03pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:47pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 7:37pm:

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Guess what? Australia is going to be the food bowl of the world.

Why not the basket weaving capital?

Have you seen the trend in agricultural exports as a percentage of GDP?

Your thinking is the basket case of the world. We Australians have not even realised our potential in agricultural production. We need to move away from being a "dig shtuff up and send it to China" thinking. And whilst I am aware that our manufacturing industries could be reignited to a reasonable level, we have to look after our primary industries, first.

Or maybe you want to starve.

I don't care about our potential in agricultural production any more than I care about our potential in basket weaving. No disrespect to our basket weavers of course. They do a fine job in tough economic conditions. But their profits are hardly a measure of our nation's strength. Agriculture as a percentage of GDP has been shrinking since the invention of coins.

This is no different to those who fret that our economy will suffer if we stop subsidising the local automobile, clothing or music industry.

Wow! You don't hold back do you? Talk about talking down a number of Australian industries here and potential 'innovative' industries - like Building a Continental Canal system!
Makes me wonder which Industries you would talk up then and do you know of any Industry that has potential for the future?

Come on FD. Put your money where your mouth is then.

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Reply #134 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 9:55pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:18pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:03pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 4:47pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 8^th, 2019 at 7:37pm:

Quote:

Guess what? Australia is going to be the food bowl of the world.

Why not the basket weaving capital?

Have you seen the trend in agricultural exports as a percentage of GDP?

Your thinking is the basket case of the world. We Australians have not even realised our potential in agricultural production. We need to move away from being a "dig shtuff up and send it to China" thinking. And whilst I am aware that our manufacturing industries could be reignited to a reasonable level, we have to look after our primary industries, first.

Or maybe you want to starve.

I don't care about our potential in agricultural production any more than I care about our potential in basket weaving. No disrespect to our basket weavers of course. They do a fine job in tough economic conditions. But their profits are hardly a measure of our nation's strength. Agriculture as a percentage of GDP has been shrinking since the invention of coins.

This is no different to those who fret that our economy will suffer if we stop subsidising the local automobile, clothing or music industry.

Wow! You don't hold back do you? Talk about talking down a number of Australian industries here and potential 'innovative' industries - like Building a Continental Canal system!
Makes me wonder which Industries you would talk up then and do you know of any Industry that has potential for the future?

Come on FD. Put your money where your mouth is then.

So you want us to be the most innovative at wasting huge sums of money? Did you swallow someone's election pamphlet?

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Reply #135 - Feb 9^th, 2019 at 10:16pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 2:37pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:57pm:

They might call a National Emergency with this one.
The Floods of QLD.

Here is a timely and perfect example of the need for a national Canal network right across the continent.

Right now, there could be a QLD network of Canal systems that would be 'draining' all that floodwater away. The water up there would be 'moving' and not sitting like a dirty stagnant duckpond. All that water would, over the course of a few weeks - be transported (by gates, etc) across into lower NT, into NSW and as far as SA. There it will be put to good use. It could even feed a massive 'Ever-glades' like Wetlands in the middle of Australia.

A network of Canals, big and small (like they have in the Riverina) would enhance the landscape, provide much needed water access and basically add a lot of money to potentially opening up the entire interior to productivity and population.

But for now - the water remains in QLD.

You'd have to employ the chinese to do this because the f.ckwitts in canberra would have no idea !

Hmm, govt did that, eh? That's what can be done by govts when they are not owned by private enterprise looking for a dollar today.
What is funny is our "govts shouldn't be in business" government selling things of to a foreign govt to run. Hypocrisy. If governments should not run businesses they would not let foreign govts buy them. Sorry, it's against our political philosophy, we can't own it and neither can you.

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Reply #136 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:23am

Yes FreeDiver
I did stop the Australian Republican Movement (A.R.M) and its assortment of 'Celebrity' Media Politicians, along with Phil Cleary's Real Republic.
I did put my trust in an Anti-Apartheid 'Dissident' I lived with - one of the original (the other two were assassinated before they got here) back in the day, when he told me Kevin Rudd will be our next Prime Minister... back in 03'.
I did walk the entire length of the city freshwater pipeline and swam the canals and worked along the canals.
I've been given the personal guided tour of the President of Irrigation in the Riverina, private property of state of the art irrigation.
So what did you 'swallow' then, if not someone's election pamphlet? Huh

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Reply #137 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 6:00am

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 6:06pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 2:10pm:

those tunnels are brilliant. i use them all the time. they cut travel time by more than half.

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After opening, the tunnel was found to save an average of eight minutes travel time.

Nah we save about 30 to 60 minutes in the morning using the tunnel and about 30 mins in the arvo... remember the gateway arterial goes to a stop every morning and arvo.... when they finally finish north gateway it might be less...
Ohh we go through brassy via the sunshine coast. Wink

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Reply #138 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:11am

Jasin wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:23am:

Yes FreeDiver
I did stop the Australian Republican Movement (A.R.M) and its assortment of 'Celebrity' Media Politicians, along with Phil Cleary's Real Republic.
I did put my trust in an Anti-Apartheid 'Dissident' I lived with - one of the original (the other two were assassinated before they got here) back in the day, when he told me Kevin Rudd will be our next Prime Minister... back in 03'.
I did walk the entire length of the city freshwater pipeline and swam the canals and worked along the canals.
I've been given the personal guided tour of the President of Irrigation in the Riverina, private property of state of the art irrigation.
So what did you 'swallow' then, if not someone's election pamphlet? Huh

You do realise that canals are an old technology, hardly "innovative" right?

And that they are a really bad idea in dry areas because of the amount of water lost? That's something you should have picked up in the riverina, where they are trying to cover them all.

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Reply #139 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:55am

Separate FarNQ from the rest - rename in Inundialand..... sounds almost Indigenous so it might be a crowd pleaser...

Reports from the coastal town of Crocodilia are that floods are now proceeding downstream... learned Queensland scientists can confirm that... and also confirm that the floods will eventually arrive at the ocean..... meanwhile local entrepreneurs are preparing to clean up on mud-stranded Barramundi once the floods subside...

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Reply #140 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:57am

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:11am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:23am:

Yes FreeDiver
I did stop the Australian Republican Movement (A.R.M) and its assortment of 'Celebrity' Media Politicians, along with Phil Cleary's Real Republic.
I did put my trust in an Anti-Apartheid 'Dissident' I lived with - one of the original (the other two were assassinated before they got here) back in the day, when he told me Kevin Rudd will be our next Prime Minister... back in 03'.
I did walk the entire length of the city freshwater pipeline and swam the canals and worked along the canals.
I've been given the personal guided tour of the President of Irrigation in the Riverina, private property of state of the art irrigation.
So what did you 'swallow' then, if not someone's election pamphlet? Huh

You do realise that canals are an old technology, hardly "innovative" right?

And that they are a really bad idea in dry areas because of the amount of water lost? That's something you should have picked up in the riverina, where they are trying to cover them all.

Don't forget the rising salinity.... windmills in Albury to take away sub-surface water so the salt doesn't rise to the top... if you flood the water table the salt rises to the top with it.... irrigation needs to be carefully controlled..... worse in times of drought.

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Reply #141 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 11:04am

Jasin wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 3:37pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 2:37pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:57pm:

They might call a National Emergency with this one.
The Floods of QLD.

Here is a timely and perfect example of the need for a national Canal network right across the continent.

Right now, there could be a QLD network of Canal systems that would be 'draining' all that floodwater away. The water up there would be 'moving' and not sitting like a dirty stagnant duckpond. All that water would, over the course of a few weeks - be transported (by gates, etc) across into lower NT, into NSW and as far as SA. There it will be put to good use. It could even feed a massive 'Ever-glades' like Wetlands in the middle of Australia.

A network of Canals, big and small (like they have in the Riverina) would enhance the landscape, provide much needed water access and basically add a lot of money to potentially opening up the entire interior to productivity and population.

But for now - the water remains in QLD.

You'd have to employ the chinese to do this because the f.ckwitts in canberra would have no idea !

WOW!!! THAT JUST BLEW ME AWAY!!!

(Why can't you post like Last Nail, eh FreeDiver? Cheesy

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I tend to think that Australians seem to know what's best for everyone else overseas. But have no idea what's best for themselves. Let Multi-Culturalism work its magic and let overseas - know what's best for us and our country. Fair DINKUM, these Chinese would make good work of Australia building our Canals and Waterways and mini-Venice towns along them like Freeways have Servos and Fast Food outlets.
There you go - we've found our EXPERTS!
Lets hire em!

Australia is one of the Wealthiest Nations on the Planet and we are here crying like a 'poor Convict' - "It's costly!"
Cry

It's ironical that the only thing they allow the chinese to build here in Australia is dodgy apartments Sad

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Reply #142 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 11:22am

Jasin wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:57pm:

They might call a National Emergency with this one.
The Floods of QLD.

Here is a timely and perfect example of the need for a national Canal network right across the continent.

Right now, there could be a QLD network of Canal systems that would be 'draining' all that floodwater away. The water up there would be 'moving' and not sitting like a dirty stagnant duckpond. All that water would, over the course of a few weeks - be transported (by gates, etc) across into lower NT, into NSW and as far as SA. There it will be put to good use. It could even feed a massive 'Ever-glades' like Wetlands in the middle of Australia.

A network of Canals, big and small (like they have in the Riverina) would enhance the landscape, provide much needed water access and basically add a lot of money to potentially opening up the entire interior to productivity and population.

But for now - the water remains in QLD.

I would argue against canals to bring it south.

Definitely to heard it into the catchment area in and around Queensland and then piped down south.

Will need substations to get across the land but is achievable.

Part of it could feed the Murray Darling basin, Murray river but no extra water for the farmers unless of course exceptional circumstances prevail.

It would be a great project for Australia.

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Reply #143 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:42pm

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:11am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 12:23am:

Yes FreeDiver
I did stop the Australian Republican Movement (A.R.M) and its assortment of 'Celebrity' Media Politicians, along with Phil Cleary's Real Republic.
I did put my trust in an Anti-Apartheid 'Dissident' I lived with - one of the original (the other two were assassinated before they got here) back in the day, when he told me Kevin Rudd will be our next Prime Minister... back in 03'.
I did walk the entire length of the city freshwater pipeline and swam the canals and worked along the canals.
I've been given the personal guided tour of the President of Irrigation in the Riverina, private property of state of the art irrigation.
So what did you 'swallow' then, if not someone's election pamphlet? Huh

You do realise that canals are an old technology, hardly "innovative" right?

And that they are a really bad idea in dry areas because of the amount of water lost? That's something you should have picked up in the riverina, where they are trying to cover them all.

Oh yes that. Well that was 'my idea' out there when I lived there. I told them that in India - they 'cover' their Water Canals with giant SOLAR PANELS. Killing two birds with one stone Wink

And as for the amount of 'water lost' due to 1/4 of the year that actually really evaporates at a high loss, at least there is water 'in there' now - to be lost, for before there was NONE due to permanent loss year after year, decade after decade.
Even if its 'half-lost' during the night as dew upon the surrounding lands and evaporation up into the sky to almost make a cloud on a 45C day. At least there was finally 'some' in there.

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Reply #144 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:45pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 6:06pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 2:10pm:

those tunnels are brilliant. i use them all the time. they cut travel time by more than half.

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After opening, the tunnel was found to save an average of eight minutes travel time.

the tunnel that goes from kedron to about greenslopes cuts the time by more than half, probably more in peak hour.

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Reply #145 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:54pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 6:06pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 2:10pm:

those tunnels are brilliant. i use them all the time. they cut travel time by more than half.

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After opening, the tunnel was found to save an average of eight minutes travel time.

the tunnel that goes from kedron to about greenslopes cuts the time by more than half, probably more in peak hour.

Yes - and why not, underground 'waterways' with access to their waters from secure and key positions for efficiency?

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Reply #146 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:20pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:54pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 6:06pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 2:10pm:

those tunnels are brilliant. i use them all the time. they cut travel time by more than half.

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After opening, the tunnel was found to save an average of eight minutes travel time.

the tunnel that goes from kedron to about greenslopes cuts the time by more than half, probably more in peak hour.

Yes - and why not, underground 'waterways' with access to their waters from secure and key positions for efficiency?

Why not waterways in outer space?

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Reply #147 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:32pm

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:20pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:54pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 6:06pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 2:10pm:

those tunnels are brilliant. i use them all the time. they cut travel time by more than half.

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After opening, the tunnel was found to save an average of eight minutes travel time.

the tunnel that goes from kedron to about greenslopes cuts the time by more than half, probably more in peak hour.

Yes - and why not, underground 'waterways' with access to their waters from secure and key positions for efficiency?

Why not waterways in outer space?

Come now FD. Give us a hug - you seem to need one. Wink

You know that just because its a 'new' technology, it doesn't automatically make it 'right for the job'. Much that is old, tried and tested can set as the foundation for the 'right technology' when the time comes for a new development.

Maybe some people don't want Canals in Australia and results from their effects because they prefer Australia being just a 'service provider' nation like the UK in servitude to the Media Empire.

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Reply #148 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:40pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:32pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:20pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:54pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 6:06pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 2:10pm:

those tunnels are brilliant. i use them all the time. they cut travel time by more than half.

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After opening, the tunnel was found to save an average of eight minutes travel time.

the tunnel that goes from kedron to about greenslopes cuts the time by more than half, probably more in peak hour.

Yes - and why not, underground 'waterways' with access to their waters from secure and key positions for efficiency?

Why not waterways in outer space?

Come now FD. Give us a hug - you seem to need one. Wink

You know that just because its a 'new' technology, it doesn't automatically make it 'right for the job'. Much that is old, tried and tested can set as the foundation for the 'right technology' when the time comes for a new development.

Maybe some people don't want Canals in Australia and results from their effects because they prefer Australia being just a 'service provider' nation like the UK in servitude to the Media Empire.

Oh well, at least I tried. Jasin you keep asking us to explain why every stupid idea you have is a stupid idea. But they are all stupid for the same reason - ridiculous cost. How many times do you want to have the same discussion? Perhaps you think that technical merit alone makes them interesting, but there's only so much extravagance you put put on digging a ditch. Every child at the beach comes up with the same idea.

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Reply #149 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:47pm

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:40pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:32pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:20pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:54pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 1:45pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 6:06pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 2:10pm:

those tunnels are brilliant. i use them all the time. they cut travel time by more than half.

Quote:

After opening, the tunnel was found to save an average of eight minutes travel time.

the tunnel that goes from kedron to about greenslopes cuts the time by more than half, probably more in peak hour.

Yes - and why not, underground 'waterways' with access to their waters from secure and key positions for efficiency?

Why not waterways in outer space?

Come now FD. Give us a hug - you seem to need one. Wink

You know that just because its a 'new' technology, it doesn't automatically make it 'right for the job'. Much that is old, tried and tested can set as the foundation for the 'right technology' when the time comes for a new development.

Maybe some people don't want Canals in Australia and results from their effects because they prefer Australia being just a 'service provider' nation like the UK in servitude to the Media Empire.

Oh well, at least I tried. Jasin you keep asking us to explain why every stupid idea you have is a stupid idea. But they are all stupid for the same reason - ridiculous cost. How many times do you want to have the same discussion? Perhaps you think that technical merit alone makes them interesting, but there's only so much extravagance you put put on digging a ditch. Every child at the beach comes up with the same idea.

Your Political world is going broke here. You Political culture is fracturing apart into little 'independents' with their own little agendas. Both of your two major parties are just inflated Supernovas - about to go into retirement with a 'bang'. Both 'inflated' by having Unions, Greens, Democrats and Nationals pumping them up with the generalisation of a 'One Nation' as both are now one and the same ALNLP Roll Eyes

Don't worry - we won't knock on your door to help cover the cost FreeDiver. We know you give generously enough as it is. I'm not taking the mickey out of you with this either.

Cost will be taken care of.

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Reply #152 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:26pm

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:13pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:40pm:

But they are all stupid for the same reason - ridiculous cost.

pretty sure they made the same argument about the Snowy mountain Hydro scheme, the Sydney Harbour Bridge and every other major piece of infrastructure ever built. Cheesy

Mundaring Weir and the goldfields pipeline that opened up the goldfields of WA.

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Reply #153 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:55pm

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freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:40pm:

But they are all stupid for the same reason - ridiculous cost.

pretty sure they made the same argument about the Snowy mountain Hydro scheme, the Sydney Harbour Bridge and every other major piece of infrastructure ever built. Cheesy

Your point is? That Jasin is a genius in disguise because someone else had a good idea one time?

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Reply #154 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:19pm

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:13pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:40pm:

But they are all stupid for the same reason - ridiculous cost.

pretty sure they made the same argument about the Snowy mountain Hydro scheme, the Sydney Harbour Bridge and every other major piece of infrastructure ever built. Cheesy

Your point is? That Jasin is a genius in disguise because someone else had a good idea one time?

Nah - how can an uneducated, unskilled, unqualified 'Labourer' like me be a 'genius'?
Surely you're really putting me down now with my K.I.S.S approach to life? Kiss

[edit] I mean - I used to wagg school in the Druitt to hang out in Fischer Uni Library at the age of 10 just to get a real education, right Wink

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Reply #155 - Feb 10^th, 2019 at 10:29pm

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:13pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:40pm:

But they are all stupid for the same reason - ridiculous cost.

pretty sure they made the same argument about the Snowy mountain Hydro scheme, the Sydney Harbour Bridge and every other major piece of infrastructure ever built. Cheesy

Your point is? That Jasin is a genius in disguise because someone else had a good idea one time?

If I was really stupid. Then I would say that you're the Director and I'm one of the Stars of your Movie. Cheesy

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Reply #156 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:09pm

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This is no different to those who fret that our economy will suffer if we stop subsidising the local automobile, clothing or music industry.

The difference being that if foreign exporters of food decide not to export food to Australia, then we starve. That is why we rely on Australian farmers to provide most of our food. The next 20 years concerns as much as it should concern you for food security.

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Reply #157 - Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:15pm

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:13pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:40pm:

But they are all stupid for the same reason - ridiculous cost.

pretty sure they made the same argument about the Snowy mountain Hydro scheme, the Sydney Harbour Bridge and every other major piece of infrastructure ever built. Cheesy

Your point is? That Jasin is a genius in disguise because someone else had a good idea one time?

Jasin, a genius? Grin

who are you kidding?

What I'm saying is that you're the opposite of a genius if all you have is 'the ridiculous cost'

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Reply #158 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 10:59am

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$662 million (over half a billion) given to Aged Care...

Nothing against Aged Care, but 'the money' is apparently out there.

The Governments are hoping there won't be any more floods or droughts this year and people 'will' forget about silly Canal systems that worked for many other nations and still do today.
Wink

The problem is it's not millions or even billions that you need, but trillions.

It would be more cost effective to simply buy out water licences from farms or provide water conservation measures free of charge than to pipe large amounts of water over large distances.

Remember, you're not talking about a few pipes, you're talking about something akin to the Suez Canal, but multiple times deeper and wider, and 20+ times the length

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Reply #159 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 11:49am

Stig wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 10:59am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:03pm:

$662 million (over half a billion) given to Aged Care...

Nothing against Aged Care, but 'the money' is apparently out there.

The Governments are hoping there won't be any more floods or droughts this year and people 'will' forget about silly Canal systems that worked for many other nations and still do today.
Wink

The problem is it's not millions or even billions that you need, but trillions.

It would be more cost effective to simply buy out water licences from farms or provide water conservation measures free of charge than to pipe large amounts of water over large distances.

Remember, you're not talking about a few pipes, you're talking about something akin to the Suez Canal, but multiple times deeper and wider, and 20+ times the length

No, you don't need something the size of Suez Canal to begin with unless you do one straight vertical through Australian and one straight horizontal as your two main arterial 'River-Canals'. That would be great 'long term', but indeed a very costly version. Think of the surrounding 'Man-made Hills' that would suddenly appear and lend weight to a new environment in a VERY FLAT country. Hills are important and Trees should not be removed from them for starters.

Just remember that everything in Australia is 'over-priced'. So if a Canal actually costs on Avg around the World $1million to build, chances are in Australia is gets estimated at $10 million and probably blows out another $5million.

So in a way, FreeDiver is right - the COST in Australia is just ridiculous! Roll Eyes

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Reply #160 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 11:50am

John Smith wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:15pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:13pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:40pm:

But they are all stupid for the same reason - ridiculous cost.

pretty sure they made the same argument about the Snowy mountain Hydro scheme, the Sydney Harbour Bridge and every other major piece of infrastructure ever built. Cheesy

Your point is? That Jasin is a genius in disguise because someone else had a good idea one time?

Jasin, a genius? Grin

who are you kidding?

What I'm saying is that you're the opposite of a genius if all you have is 'the ridiculous cost'

What can I say? I stand on the shoulders of Giants! Wink

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Reply #161 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 12:20pm

Jasin, ask us again why it is a stupid idea.

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:09pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:03pm:

This is no different to those who fret that our economy will suffer if we stop subsidising the local automobile, clothing or music industry.

The difference being that if foreign exporters of food decide not to export food to Australia, then we starve. That is why we rely on Australian farmers to provide most of our food. The next 20 years concerns as much as it should concern you for food security.

Australia is a net food exporter.

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Reply #162 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 12:29pm

freediver wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

Jasin, ask us again why it is a stupid idea.

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:09pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:03pm:

This is no different to those who fret that our economy will suffer if we stop subsidising the local automobile, clothing or music industry.

The difference being that if foreign exporters of food decide not to export food to Australia, then we starve. That is why we rely on Australian farmers to provide most of our food. The next 20 years concerns as much as it should concern you for food security.

Australia is a net food exporter.

True - we are a Net Food Exporter thankfully.
I predict Africa would out-do us in 'Land' Farming eventually, as our empowerment is 'The Water' and being the leading nation on Water Technology and superior Fishing Markets. Even our Seaweed consumption technology is over-taking the Asian efforts (I know - I worked for them, here in Australia) Wink

Although I may not live up to FreeDiver's version of a Genius. I have been involved in the theme of this Topic in many ways through-out my life. I can put my name to many friends who are 'genius' and are 'tough' (UFC) and I count myself lucky to know such and its their standards that I try to live up to out of respect.

What can I say FreeDiver? But I think you just don't want to grab a shovel and 'dig', eh? Wink

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Reply #163 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 3:25pm

Stig wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 10:59am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:03pm:

$662 million (over half a billion) given to Aged Care...

Nothing against Aged Care, but 'the money' is apparently out there.

The Governments are hoping there won't be any more floods or droughts this year and people 'will' forget about silly Canal systems that worked for many other nations and still do today.
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The problem is it's not millions or even billions that you need, but trillions.

It would be more cost effective to simply buy out water licences from farms or provide water conservation measures free of charge than to pipe large amounts of water over large distances.

Remember, you're not talking about a few pipes, you're talking about something akin to the Suez Canal, but multiple times deeper and wider, and 20+ times the length

A trillion dollars would be enough for each farmer and family member to receive a tank of water for whenever the person needs it for the rest of the farming communities' lives. Someone proposed a solution of a $9 BILLION project to ensure that farmers get guaranteed a water supply. $9 billion is different to $1 trillion+. I think the benefits saved over the lifespan of water supply to remote rural communities is something along the consideration of trillions. So too being what we could create from having rural communities expand along water supply lines.

I don't expect that rural communities completely rely on water being pumped to their region to be an absolute guarantee. I expect them to rely on conserving the water they receive from rain. Get tanks of water delivered. But have the excess flood water pumped and then treated in regions that they live, when there is an ample supply. Townsville's dams being 220% capacity should not have gone over 120% capacity. That excess water should have been diverted and stored in rural areas for farming and remote usage. Not to drown a place like Townsville in millions of dollars worth of damage.

Not forgetting the rural areas that were inundated with flood water that led to livestock literally drowning. We could have had some control with the flood water. How, I would not know for sure. But, I would have loved to see that flood water being directed to the south-west corner and places west of Toowoomba for their water usage.

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Reply #164 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 3:26pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 11:49am:

Stig wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 10:59am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:03pm:

$662 million (over half a billion) given to Aged Care...

Nothing against Aged Care, but 'the money' is apparently out there.

The Governments are hoping there won't be any more floods or droughts this year and people 'will' forget about silly Canal systems that worked for many other nations and still do today.
Wink

The problem is it's not millions or even billions that you need, but trillions.

It would be more cost effective to simply buy out water licences from farms or provide water conservation measures free of charge than to pipe large amounts of water over large distances.

Remember, you're not talking about a few pipes, you're talking about something akin to the Suez Canal, but multiple times deeper and wider, and 20+ times the length

No, you don't need something the size of Suez Canal to begin with unless you do one straight vertical through Australian and one straight horizontal as your two main arterial 'River-Canals'. That would be great 'long term', but indeed a very costly version. Think of the surrounding 'Man-made Hills' that would suddenly appear and lend weight to a new environment in a VERY FLAT country. Hills are important and Trees should not be removed from them for starters.

Just remember that everything in Australia is 'over-priced'. So if a Canal actually costs on Avg around the World $1million to build, chances are in Australia is gets estimated at $10 million and probably blows out another $5million.

So in a way, FreeDiver is right - the COST in Australia is just ridiculous! Roll Eyes

Depends on what you want to do. If you're talking about diverting billions of litres of flood waters - say as happened in Townsville - then yes, you do need something the size of the Suez Canal - in fact probably larger.

If you're just talking about irrigating some farms, then you need something less elaborate, but still enormous, and at the end of the day it's probably far cheaper just to install water-saving measures on those farms or buy out water licences of some of the largest users.

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Reply #165 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 3:46pm

freediver wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 12:20pm:

Jasin, ask us again why it is a stupid idea.

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 11^th, 2019 at 10:09pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2019 at 7:03pm:

This is no different to those who fret that our economy will suffer if we stop subsidising the local automobile, clothing or music industry.

The difference being that if foreign exporters of food decide not to export food to Australia, then we starve. That is why we rely on Australian farmers to provide most of our food. The next 20 years concerns as much as it should concern you for food security.

Australia is a net food exporter.

Australia, some years ago, produced enough food to feed about 60 million people worldwide. That is nearly 3 times our population. But, we still imported the remainder of our food. Had we not imported that remainder, our supermarkets would probably be noticeably different in stock. Even our McDonalds menu would look a bit different to what we see.

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Reply #166 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 3:55pm

Stig wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 3:26pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 11:49am:

Stig wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 10:59am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:03pm:

$662 million (over half a billion) given to Aged Care...

Nothing against Aged Care, but 'the money' is apparently out there.

The Governments are hoping there won't be any more floods or droughts this year and people 'will' forget about silly Canal systems that worked for many other nations and still do today.
Wink

The problem is it's not millions or even billions that you need, but trillions.

It would be more cost effective to simply buy out water licences from farms or provide water conservation measures free of charge than to pipe large amounts of water over large distances.

Remember, you're not talking about a few pipes, you're talking about something akin to the Suez Canal, but multiple times deeper and wider, and 20+ times the length

No, you don't need something the size of Suez Canal to begin with unless you do one straight vertical through Australian and one straight horizontal as your two main arterial 'River-Canals'. That would be great 'long term', but indeed a very costly version. Think of the surrounding 'Man-made Hills' that would suddenly appear and lend weight to a new environment in a VERY FLAT country. Hills are important and Trees should not be removed from them for starters.

Just remember that everything in Australia is 'over-priced'. So if a Canal actually costs on Avg around the World $1million to build, chances are in Australia is gets estimated at $10 million and probably blows out another $5million.

So in a way, FreeDiver is right - the COST in Australia is just ridiculous! Roll Eyes

Depends on what you want to do. If you're talking about diverting billions of litres of flood waters - say as happened in Townsville - then yes, you do need something the size of the Suez Canal - in fact probably larger.

If you're just talking about irrigating some farms, then you need something less elaborate, but still enormous, and at the end of the day it's probably far cheaper just to install water-saving measures on those farms or buy out water licences of some of the largest users.

In simplistic terms (being that I am no engineer), you would need a pipe probably grilled to ward off the excess mud and debris. The pipe could be connected to the dam. The pipe could be about 10 metres in diameter. And this pipe could be opened during the excessive flood times, to both be used as a countermeasure to flooding in Nth Queensland, as well as to divert river water inland to farming communities. I would assume that there would be a water treatment before sending the water inland to be again treated for drinkability at its location.

Rockhampton was proposing some form of weir to be built upstream from the town to mitigate flooding we seem to get every 2 to 3 years. We don't see flooding too often. However, the council sought to build a flood-proof road out of town, so that we did not get cut off during our flooding. The proposal was denied due to the costs associated with the construction just to overcome a 1 week in every 3 year event. I would have been happy to see construction of the weir built to allow flood water to be distributed to inland to our Central Queensland region's rural community.

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Reply #167 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 4:52pm

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 5:13pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 2:40pm:

But they are all stupid for the same reason - ridiculous cost.

pretty sure they made the same argument about the Snowy mountain Hydro scheme, the Sydney Harbour Bridge and every other major piece of infrastructure ever built. Cheesy

Your point is? That Jasin is a genius in disguise because someone else had a good idea one time?

Isn't Freediver an Economist? Grin

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Reply #168 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 5:19pm

the whole thing would take years to build....why fuss about the cost?.... everything in this damn country COSTS.. look at the stoooopid NBN...it started out at $4bil.....

why is everyone so negative?....

look at the railways built by hand almost....bullocks and carts but they knew how essential it was to this country...so no negativity just sheer guts and getting on with it..

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Reply #170 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 8:56pm

Stig wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 3:26pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 11:49am:

Stig wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 10:59am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:03pm:

$662 million (over half a billion) given to Aged Care...

Nothing against Aged Care, but 'the money' is apparently out there.

The Governments are hoping there won't be any more floods or droughts this year and people 'will' forget about silly Canal systems that worked for many other nations and still do today.
Wink

The problem is it's not millions or even billions that you need, but trillions.

It would be more cost effective to simply buy out water licences from farms or provide water conservation measures free of charge than to pipe large amounts of water over large distances.

Remember, you're not talking about a few pipes, you're talking about something akin to the Suez Canal, but multiple times deeper and wider, and 20+ times the length

No, you don't need something the size of Suez Canal to begin with unless you do one straight vertical through Australian and one straight horizontal as your two main arterial 'River-Canals'. That would be great 'long term', but indeed a very costly version. Think of the surrounding 'Man-made Hills' that would suddenly appear and lend weight to a new environment in a VERY FLAT country. Hills are important and Trees should not be removed from them for starters.

Just remember that everything in Australia is 'over-priced'. So if a Canal actually costs on Avg around the World $1million to build, chances are in Australia is gets estimated at $10 million and probably blows out another $5million.

So in a way, FreeDiver is right - the COST in Australia is just ridiculous! Roll Eyes

Depends on what you want to do. If you're talking about diverting billions of litres of flood waters - say as happened in Townsville - then yes, you do need something the size of the Suez Canal - in fact probably larger.

If you're just talking about irrigating some farms, then you need something less elaborate, but still enormous, and at the end of the day it's probably far cheaper just to install water-saving measures on those farms or buy out water licences of some of the largest users.

Well this is where more good research is needed because your right with your Big Suez style and I would say mine was more an intricate branch network of smaller canals working together to filter the water away to more arid parts of the country for better use.
Either way - we are both right. Both would work.

...and that water is flowing along feeding other systems along the way in need through the state or states until it reaches its final destination in some very striken part of the country.

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Reply #171 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 9:04pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 8:56pm:

Stig wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 3:26pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 11:49am:

Stig wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 10:59am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:03pm:

$662 million (over half a billion) given to Aged Care...

Nothing against Aged Care, but 'the money' is apparently out there.

The Governments are hoping there won't be any more floods or droughts this year and people 'will' forget about silly Canal systems that worked for many other nations and still do today.
Wink

The problem is it's not millions or even billions that you need, but trillions.

It would be more cost effective to simply buy out water licences from farms or provide water conservation measures free of charge than to pipe large amounts of water over large distances.

Remember, you're not talking about a few pipes, you're talking about something akin to the Suez Canal, but multiple times deeper and wider, and 20+ times the length

No, you don't need something the size of Suez Canal to begin with unless you do one straight vertical through Australian and one straight horizontal as your two main arterial 'River-Canals'. That would be great 'long term', but indeed a very costly version. Think of the surrounding 'Man-made Hills' that would suddenly appear and lend weight to a new environment in a VERY FLAT country. Hills are important and Trees should not be removed from them for starters.

Just remember that everything in Australia is 'over-priced'. So if a Canal actually costs on Avg around the World $1million to build, chances are in Australia is gets estimated at $10 million and probably blows out another $5million.

So in a way, FreeDiver is right - the COST in Australia is just ridiculous! Roll Eyes

Depends on what you want to do. If you're talking about diverting billions of litres of flood waters - say as happened in Townsville - then yes, you do need something the size of the Suez Canal - in fact probably larger.

If you're just talking about irrigating some farms, then you need something less elaborate, but still enormous, and at the end of the day it's probably far cheaper just to install water-saving measures on those farms or buy out water licences of some of the largest users.

Well this is where more good research is needed because your right with your Big Suez style and I would say mine was more an intricate branch network of smaller canals working together to filter the water away to more arid parts of the country for better use.
Either way - we are both right. Both would work.

...and that water is flowing along feeding other systems along the way in need through the state or states until it reaches its final destination in some very striken part of the country.

The most expensive water evaporator in the world.

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Reply #172 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 9:17pm

freediver wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 9:04pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 8:56pm:

Stig wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 3:26pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 11:49am:

Stig wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 10:59am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:03pm:

$662 million (over half a billion) given to Aged Care...

Nothing against Aged Care, but 'the money' is apparently out there.

The Governments are hoping there won't be any more floods or droughts this year and people 'will' forget about silly Canal systems that worked for many other nations and still do today.
Wink

The problem is it's not millions or even billions that you need, but trillions.

It would be more cost effective to simply buy out water licences from farms or provide water conservation measures free of charge than to pipe large amounts of water over large distances.

Remember, you're not talking about a few pipes, you're talking about something akin to the Suez Canal, but multiple times deeper and wider, and 20+ times the length

No, you don't need something the size of Suez Canal to begin with unless you do one straight vertical through Australian and one straight horizontal as your two main arterial 'River-Canals'. That would be great 'long term', but indeed a very costly version. Think of the surrounding 'Man-made Hills' that would suddenly appear and lend weight to a new environment in a VERY FLAT country. Hills are important and Trees should not be removed from them for starters.

Just remember that everything in Australia is 'over-priced'. So if a Canal actually costs on Avg around the World $1million to build, chances are in Australia is gets estimated at $10 million and probably blows out another $5million.

So in a way, FreeDiver is right - the COST in Australia is just ridiculous! Roll Eyes

Depends on what you want to do. If you're talking about diverting billions of litres of flood waters - say as happened in Townsville - then yes, you do need something the size of the Suez Canal - in fact probably larger.

If you're just talking about irrigating some farms, then you need something less elaborate, but still enormous, and at the end of the day it's probably far cheaper just to install water-saving measures on those farms or buy out water licences of some of the largest users.

Well this is where more good research is needed because your right with your Big Suez style and I would say mine was more an intricate branch network of smaller canals working together to filter the water away to more arid parts of the country for better use.
Either way - we are both right. Both would work.

...and that water is flowing along feeding other systems along the way in need through the state or states until it reaches its final destination in some very striken part of the country.

The most expensive water evaporator in the world.

And what do you think watered all the massive crops of the Ancient world? It was the evaporation of the Canal waters that 'watered' the crops during the night.
No rain, no need to splash the water over the crops on the surface (during the day).

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Reply #173 - Feb 12^th, 2019 at 9:20pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 9:17pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 9:04pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 8:56pm:

Stig wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 3:26pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 11:49am:

Stig wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 10:59am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:03pm:

$662 million (over half a billion) given to Aged Care...

Nothing against Aged Care, but 'the money' is apparently out there.

The Governments are hoping there won't be any more floods or droughts this year and people 'will' forget about silly Canal systems that worked for many other nations and still do today.
Wink

The problem is it's not millions or even billions that you need, but trillions.

It would be more cost effective to simply buy out water licences from farms or provide water conservation measures free of charge than to pipe large amounts of water over large distances.

Remember, you're not talking about a few pipes, you're talking about something akin to the Suez Canal, but multiple times deeper and wider, and 20+ times the length

No, you don't need something the size of Suez Canal to begin with unless you do one straight vertical through Australian and one straight horizontal as your two main arterial 'River-Canals'. That would be great 'long term', but indeed a very costly version. Think of the surrounding 'Man-made Hills' that would suddenly appear and lend weight to a new environment in a VERY FLAT country. Hills are important and Trees should not be removed from them for starters.

Just remember that everything in Australia is 'over-priced'. So if a Canal actually costs on Avg around the World $1million to build, chances are in Australia is gets estimated at $10 million and probably blows out another $5million.

So in a way, FreeDiver is right - the COST in Australia is just ridiculous! Roll Eyes

Depends on what you want to do. If you're talking about diverting billions of litres of flood waters - say as happened in Townsville - then yes, you do need something the size of the Suez Canal - in fact probably larger.

If you're just talking about irrigating some farms, then you need something less elaborate, but still enormous, and at the end of the day it's probably far cheaper just to install water-saving measures on those farms or buy out water licences of some of the largest users.

Well this is where more good research is needed because your right with your Big Suez style and I would say mine was more an intricate branch network of smaller canals working together to filter the water away to more arid parts of the country for better use.
Either way - we are both right. Both would work.

...and that water is flowing along feeding other systems along the way in need through the state or states until it reaches its final destination in some very striken part of the country.

The most expensive water evaporator in the world.

And what do you think watered all the massive crops of the Ancient world? It was the evaporation of the Canal waters that 'watered' the crops during the night.
No rain, no need to splash the water over the crops on the surface (during the day).

They also used raw human faeces for fertiliser. The wisdom of the ancients eh?

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Reply #174 - Feb 13^th, 2019 at 7:50pm

freediver wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 9:20pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 9:17pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 9:04pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 8:56pm:

Stig wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 3:26pm:

Jasin wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 11:49am:

Stig wrote on Feb 12^th, 2019 at 10:59am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 10^th, 2019 at 9:03pm:

$662 million (over half a billion) given to Aged Care...

Nothing against Aged Care, but 'the money' is apparently out there.

The Governments are hoping there won't be any more floods or droughts this year and people 'will' forget about silly Canal systems that worked for many other nations and still do today.
Wink

The problem is it's not millions or even billions that you need, but trillions.

It would be more cost effective to simply buy out water licences from farms or provide water conservation measures free of charge than to pipe large amounts of water over large distances.

Remember, you're not talking about a few pipes, you're talking about something akin to the Suez Canal, but multiple times deeper and wider, and 20+ times the length

No, you don't need something the size of Suez Canal to begin with unless you do one straight vertical through Australian and one straight horizontal as your two main arterial 'River-Canals'. That would be great 'long term', but indeed a very costly version. Think of the surrounding 'Man-made Hills' that would suddenly appear and lend weight to a new environment in a VERY FLAT country. Hills are important and Trees should not be removed from them for starters.

Just remember that everything in Australia is 'over-priced'. So if a Canal actually costs on Avg around the World $1million to build, chances are in Australia is gets estimated at $10 million and probably blows out another $5million.

So in a way, FreeDiver is right - the COST in Australia is just ridiculous! Roll Eyes

Depends on what you want to do. If you're talking about diverting billions of litres of flood waters - say as happened in Townsville - then yes, you do need something the size of the Suez Canal - in fact probably larger.

If you're just talking about irrigating some farms, then you need something less elaborate, but still enormous, and at the end of the day it's probably far cheaper just to install water-saving measures on those farms or buy out water licences of some of the largest users.

Well this is where more good research is needed because your right with your Big Suez style and I would say mine was more an intricate branch network of smaller canals working together to filter the water away to more arid parts of the country for better use.
Either way - we are both right. Both would work.

...and that water is flowing along feeding other systems along the way in need through the state or states until it reaches its final destination in some very striken part of the country.

The most expensive water evaporator in the world.

And what do you think watered all the massive crops of the Ancient world? It was the evaporation of the Canal waters that 'watered' the crops during the night.
No rain, no need to splash the water over the crops on the surface (during the day).

They also used raw human faeces for fertiliser. The wisdom of the ancients eh?

Yes well, recently - Sydneysiders were eating their fruit & vegetables that were grown in their own 'Sydney Basin' backyard - that was 'fertilised' by their own 'sewage' (worst than just faeces ...like horse, chicken manure too Wink

Right?

). God knows how long it took the people of Sydney to get sick of that Wink

Ahh yes, the Modern Technologically Superior society of Sydney - eh Wink

It obviously got endorsed by the CSIRO before approval - right? Wink

Now its just been estimated that so far - 300,000 cattle have been lost in the Townsville Floods. That's a lot of loss beyond just homes and household items. Shocked

An area can only 'Flood', if the rainwater has no where to go!
It rains far more and heavier in other parts of the world, like the Amazon... and yet it has somewhere to go and it rains heavier closer to the mountains too btw. Wink

So the K.I.S.S approach of incorporating (jobs! Cool

) a Canal system in all regional areas not just to alleviate flood potential, but to also feed Drought areas of little to no rainfall at all.
It would only take a 'biblical' proportion of 40 nights/days of heavy rain to really make a (sea) massive impact.
God help us in this highly extreme-erratic weathered world of ours that we have 'created'... like Gods, if it actually did right! Wink

So, unless you have a 'better' or 'alternative' at least, to show as your cards to be put on the table?
I really can't see where you are going with your argument against mine? Huh

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Reply #175 - Feb 14^th, 2019 at 5:30am

Jasin wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:19pm:

On the news last night.

People of Wilcannia complaining about their Drought, their empty river-beds and "Why can't that transfer that water from QLD down to here!?"

Again - thankyou! Wink

You bloody idiot that exactly what does happen when there is a big enough rain event.

The problem is that the water is now harvested for irrigation all the way along the length of the Murray Darling system .......

but when it doesn't rain even those harvesters/farmers don't have/can't harvest water.

That flooding in Far North Western QLD will travel all the way to Sth Australia .....fill Lake Eyre, Lake Torrens, Lake Frome etc.

If you dam the channel country system to allow intensive corporate agriculture in those arid areas .....

you just repeat what has happened to the Murray Darling system.

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Reply #176 - Feb 14^th, 2019 at 7:06pm

Gnads wrote on Feb 14^th, 2019 at 5:30am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:19pm:

On the news last night.

People of Wilcannia complaining about their Drought, their empty river-beds and "Why can't that transfer that water from QLD down to here!?"

Again - thankyou! Wink

You bloody idiot that exactly what does happen when there is a big enough rain event.

The problem is that the water is now harvested for irrigation all the way along the length of the Murray Darling system .......

but when it doesn't rain even those harvesters/farmers don't have/can't harvest water.

That flooding in Far North Western QLD will travel all the way to Sth Australia .....fill Lake Eyre, Lake Torrens, Lake Frome etc.

If you dam the channel country system to allow intensive corporate agriculture in those arid areas .....

you just repeat what has happened to the Murray Darling system.

You are 'right' GNADS, but I'm just 'even better' right as well. Wink

The majority of the Australian 'river, stream, creek' system is a very SHALLOW affair. I've had a hell of a lot of rain in my region, but our local shallow, sandy, rocky - almost flat river/creek/stream beds are all basically the same 'mostly empty' look and capacity.

So what is happening and why is the 'natural' waterway systems just not working as efficient? Huh

Besides 'hoofed' bovine and herd are ruining the waterway edges for many other species and thus lowering the quality of water as well...
Besides most of them being 'Shallow' in the global scheme of things.
Besides most of them not having great 'holding capacities' (see prev sentence).
Besides every Farm/Farmer having to suck every available waterway DRY like an alcoholic in an outback pub called 'Bup-Kcabtou'.
Besides every Farm/Farmer exercising 'full quotas' even if they don't 'need' all that water.
Besides the demands of 'drinking water' for a greater population of people.
(Stuff making more 'Wetland Filtration Systems' Roll Eyes

- that would mean more water to accommodate a better system which provides more 'FRESH WATER' for Australia, the world. Huh

)

You call me a stupid idiot - but what 'else' have you got to show for it to not only fill the hole that's full of problems, but to build a hill to climb over it as well?? Huh

I don't mind if 'better' alternatives are pumped by other Members here, but really - where are they, besides the Canal/Pipe Network Systems??

And yes, covering them all with Solar Panels is a good idea too Wink

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Reply #177 - Feb 16^th, 2019 at 11:25am

Jasin wrote on Feb 14^th, 2019 at 7:06pm:

Gnads wrote on Feb 14^th, 2019 at 5:30am:

Jasin wrote on Feb 7^th, 2019 at 9:19pm:

On the news last night.

People of Wilcannia complaining about their Drought, their empty river-beds and "Why can't that transfer that water from QLD down to here!?"

Again - thankyou! Wink

You bloody idiot that exactly what does happen when there is a big enough rain event.

The problem is that the water is now harvested for irrigation all the way along the length of the Murray Darling system .......

but when it doesn't rain even those harvesters/farmers don't have/can't harvest water.

That flooding in Far North Western QLD will travel all the way to Sth Australia .....fill Lake Eyre, Lake Torrens, Lake Frome etc.

If you dam the channel country system to allow intensive corporate agriculture in those arid areas .....

you just repeat what has happened to the Murray Darling system.

You are 'right' GNADS, but I'm just 'even better' right as well. Wink

The majority of the Australian 'river, stream, creek' system is a very SHALLOW affair. I've had a hell of a lot of rain in my region, but our local shallow, sandy, rocky - almost flat river/creek/stream beds are all basically the same 'mostly empty' look and capacity.

So what is happening and why is the 'natural' waterway systems just not working as efficient? Huh

Besides 'hoofed' bovine and herd are ruining the waterway edges for many other species and thus lowering the quality of water as well...
Besides most of them being 'Shallow' in the global scheme of things.
Besides most of them not having great 'holding capacities' (see prev sentence).
Besides every Farm/Farmer having to suck every available waterway DRY like an alcoholic in an outback pub called 'Bup-Kcabtou'.
Besides every Farm/Farmer exercising 'full quotas' even if they don't 'need' all that water.
Besides the demands of 'drinking water' for a greater population of people.
(Stuff making more 'Wetland Filtration Systems' Roll Eyes

- that would mean more water to accommodate a better system which provides more 'FRESH WATER' for Australia, the world. Huh

)

You call me a stupid idiot - but what 'else' have you got to show for it to not only fill the hole that's full of problems, but to build a hill to climb over it as well?? Huh

I don't mind if 'better' alternatives are pumped by other Members here, but really - where are they, besides the Canal/Pipe Network Systems??

And yes, covering them all with Solar Panels is a good idea too Wink

I called you a bloody idiot.

We are only having problems with the MDB river system because we have interfered with a system that doesn't have regular catchment rainfall.

Doing that to another system is just madness & repeating the first farg up.

We don't need to harvest the waters of every system ... those water flows are what makes it function how it supposed to for that environment.

We just need to better utilize & regulate what we have now.

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Reply #179 - Feb 17^th, 2019 at 9:15pm

Well I think you are both just a tad gutless to try anything in the first place for fear of failure.
So thus, you both just play it safe and do nothing unless Mummy Britain and Daddy America do it for you.

Sure, my ideas might be 'basic' - but at least they are brave.

Still waiting for better solutions to the drought/flood problem by you two... but still nothing. Lips Sealed

Ancient Egyptians manufactured giant Canals right up to the base of Pyramids to deliver 2T blocks of stone via boats.

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Reply #180 - Feb 26^th, 2019 at 8:15am

Just been announced that $1.2 BILLION will be committed to the Snowy Hydro PART 2 scheme.
An 'old' project idea that has been brought back (both Parties not seeming to have any NEW ideas for Election are bring back older policies, projects).

It's estimated that the Snowy Hydro 2.0 cost will blow out to $4-5 BILLION and take over 10 years to achieve.

Now I personally think this is an ok project to undertake.

But really, shouldn't we be creating more 'waterways' and using such waterways to their fullest potentials?
FreeDiver mentioned 'cost'!
Well, it seems that cost isn't really a factor, nor is 'time' taken, nor is the concept of 'old' ideas.

So how about some nice 'arterial/veinal' Canal systems, big ones, going across the continent for starters.
Maybe even some nice 'Tourism Cruises' along them outback? Wink

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