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Reply #60 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 9:52am
 
cods wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 9:35am:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 9:21am:
she just seems frustrated and hoping there r magical experts somewhere that can do a better job....
Unfortunately when a really big rainfall happens every 30 years or so,, not much we can do about it.....
No use blaming the government or Queensland... just the weather.....
When the ppl died in 2011 the rain hit Toowoomba so hard the main street flooded (its on top of the range ) and was unprecedented, u cant forecast that one day and large amount of rain will hit when its never done that before. Wink



it isnt 30 years since the last one.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

so you think no changes need to be made...

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You cannot change unprecedented events of mother nature .....

your Ipswich example is not factual/correct.

No dams caused the flooding or increased the flooding.

Wivenhoe wasn't operational in 1974 ... so Somerset releases added minor increases to river levels.

In 2011 people were suffering Wivenhoe Syndrome because they mistakenly thought that would prevent any future flooding like 1974.

Somerset & WivenHoe didn't add to the 2011 floods.

The Bremer isn't in the same catchment & enters the Brisbane river 20 miles(as the crow flies) below Wivenhoe.
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Reply #61 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 9:56am
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 4th, 2019 at 9:00pm:
I wonder why Aboriginals haven't done this in the 50000 years they've been here?


Probably because they did not have the technology to even consider this option.
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Reply #62 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 9:58am
 
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2010–11 Queensland floods
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2010–2011 Queensland and New South Wales floods

Date      November 2010 – January 2011
Location      Much of central and southern Queensland including Brisbane, Rockhampton, Gympie, Emerald, Bundaberg, Dalby, Toowoomba, Roma, and Ipswich
Death(s)      33 dead and 3 missing (presumed dead)

Property damage      A$2.38 ($2,389,225,876)  billion; 200,000 people were affected.[1]
A series of floods hit Queensland, Australia, beginning in November 2010. The floods forced the evacuation of thousands of people from towns and cities.[2] At least 90 towns and over 200,000 people were affected.[2] Damage initially was estimated at around A$1 billion[3] before it was raised to $2.38 billion.[1] The estimated reduction in Australia's GDP is about A$30 billion.[4] As at March 2012, there were 33 deaths attributed to the 2010–11 Queensland floods with a further three people still missing.[5]

Three-quarters of the council areas within the state of Queensland were declared disaster zones.[6] Communities along the Fitzroy and Burnett Rivers were particularly hard hit, while the Condamine, Ballone and Mary Rivers recorded substantial flooding. An unexpected flash flood caused by a thunderstorm raced through Toowoomba's central business district. Rainfall from the same storm devastated communities in the Lockyer Valley. A few days later thousands of houses in Ipswich and Brisbane were inundated as the Brisbane River rose and Wivenhoe Dam used a considerable proportion of its flood mitigation capacity. Volunteers were quick to offer assistance, and sympathy was expressed from afar. A large mobilisation of the Australian Defence Force was activated and a relief fund created. The head of the recovery taskforce was Major General Michael Slater. The Queensland Reconstruction Authority (CEO was Graeme Newton) was formed to coordinate the rebuilding program beyond the initial task force, and a Commission of Inquiry was established to investigate all matters related to the floods.

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if dams were not involved why have an enquiry into them?..


Dams weren't involved in most of those deaths .... what can't you understand in that?

Floodwaters coming down from unprecedented rains on systems that don't have large dams/storages cannot be safeguarded against.

And deaths of people who deliberately & stupidly driving into flood waters have nothing to do with dams.

Wivenhoe & Somerset actually saved 2011 from being worse.

You seem to have some sort of mental block about understanding that when a dam gets beyond optimal capacity water releases have to be made ....

perhaps if anything Wivenhoe should have made releases earlier.

But because of our long dry spells & "water wise" & now money making mentality councils/govts/ water corporations try & save every litre they can.
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Reply #63 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 10:42am
 
cods wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 9:35am:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 9:21am:
she just seems frustrated and hoping there r magical experts somewhere that can do a better job....
Unfortunately when a really big rainfall happens every 30 years or so,, not much we can do about it.....
No use blaming the government or Queensland... just the weather.....
When the ppl died in 2011 the rain hit Toowoomba so hard the main street flooded (its on top of the range ) and was unprecedented, u cant forecast that one day and large amount of rain will hit when its never done that before. Wink



it isnt 30 years since the last one.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

so you think no changes need to be made...

Cheesy

last big flood in Townsville was 1998 so 20 years...….. When u get 4feet of rain in a few days u just cant stop that.
SO far Townsville have had almost 1200mm of rain ….
Last year they got 1070mm of rain so in less than a week they got more rain than all of last year....
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/cw_032040.shtml
how high do u think we can make dams around the city to stop that kind of a downfall... where I live we only get 600mm of rain a year and we r only 100km's from the coast.
In 2015 Townville got just under 400mm of rain for the year.....
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-04/townsville-brownsvlle-dry-rainfall-bom-bu...
Townsville is usually know for being so dry...

Remember QLD is a big place and Brisbane Ipswich is 1000 kilometres from Townsville  Wink
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Reply #64 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 10:48am
 
To be exact, 1,335.5 km via Bruce Hwy/A1.
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Reply #65 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 11:37am
 
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Big water in the north, and a bit getting to the inland where it's welcome. Just amazing how many comments are posted on social media demanding that Queensland allow this water to run down the Darling system.. not a lot of geography happening in southern schools perhaps? Or maybe they are closet Bradfield scheme advocates?


https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-04/townsville-flood-police-cling-to-tree-...

Where the water goes -
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Reply #66 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 11:44am
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 4th, 2019 at 8:57pm:
They might call a National Emergency with this one.
The Floods of QLD.

Here is a timely and perfect example of the need for a national Canal network right across the continent.

Right now, there could be a QLD network of Canal systems that would be 'draining' all that floodwater away. The water up there would be 'moving' and not sitting like a dirty stagnant duckpond. All that water would, over the course of a few weeks - be transported (by gates, etc) across into lower NT, into NSW and as far as SA. There it will be put to good use. It could even feed a massive 'Ever-glades' like Wetlands in the middle of Australia.

A network of Canals, big and small (like they have in the Riverina) would enhance the landscape, provide much needed water access and basically add a lot of money to potentially opening up the entire interior to productivity and population.

But for now - the water remains in QLD.


It isn't done because it would be ridiculously expensive. As in trillions of dollars expensive
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Reply #67 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 6:30pm
 
Yes Stig - it would be massively expensive. But there always should be something happening, that always is - something productive, constructive and beneficial for our future.
We can do more than just a bloody harbour bridge and Opera House, surely?  Huh

GNADS - that's a very good type of Map if that is indeed accurate?  As you can see, 3/4's of the Map shows water around the edge of Australia flowing out, not much flowing inward, even via detour to the coast.
A 'heart' has half pumping in, other half pumping out.
Midnight Oil was right - ours is a Dead Heart or at least totally out of whack.
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Reply #68 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 1:44am
 
Stig wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 11:44am:
Jasin wrote on Feb 4th, 2019 at 8:57pm:
They might call a National Emergency with this one.
The Floods of QLD.

Here is a timely and perfect example of the need for a national Canal network right across the continent.

Right now, there could be a QLD network of Canal systems that would be 'draining' all that floodwater away. The water up there would be 'moving' and not sitting like a dirty stagnant duckpond. All that water would, over the course of a few weeks - be transported (by gates, etc) across into lower NT, into NSW and as far as SA. There it will be put to good use. It could even feed a massive 'Ever-glades' like Wetlands in the middle of Australia.

A network of Canals, big and small (like they have in the Riverina) would enhance the landscape, provide much needed water access and basically add a lot of money to potentially opening up the entire interior to productivity and population.

But for now - the water remains in QLD.


It isn't done because it would be ridiculously expensive. As in trillions of dollars expensive


They were talking about how the project could be done for $9 billion. Apparently, there is an argument against channelling water from flood areas to more central areas of Australia. Western Qld would probably be better suited if the flood prone areas had pipes to be put in and directed through the towns on the way to more drought prone areas for times when places like Townsville are in flood. Something to mitigate the flooding and allowing the city to get back to business in little time.
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Reply #69 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 6:15am
 
Could they put the water in a very large bladder at sea and float/sail it south?
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Reply #70 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 7:41am
 
DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 10:42am:
cods wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 9:35am:
DonDeeHippy wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 9:21am:
she just seems frustrated and hoping there r magical experts somewhere that can do a better job....
Unfortunately when a really big rainfall happens every 30 years or so,, not much we can do about it.....
No use blaming the government or Queensland... just the weather.....
When the ppl died in 2011 the rain hit Toowoomba so hard the main street flooded (its on top of the range ) and was unprecedented, u cant forecast that one day and large amount of rain will hit when its never done that before. Wink



it isnt 30 years since the last one.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

so you think no changes need to be made...

Cheesy

last big flood in Townsville was 1998 so 20 years...….. When u get 4feet of rain in a few days u just cant stop that.
SO far Townsville have had almost 1200mm of rain ….
Last year they got 1070mm of rain so in less than a week they got more rain than all of last year....
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/tables/cw_032040.shtml
how high do u think we can make dams around the city to stop that kind of a downfall... where I live we only get 600mm of rain a year and we r only 100km's from the coast.
In 2015 Townville got just under 400mm of rain for the year.....
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-04/townsville-brownsvlle-dry-rainfall-bom-bu...
Townsville is usually know for being so dry...

Remember QLD is a big place and Brisbane Ipswich is 1000 kilometres from Townsville  Wink


It's known as "The Night of Noah".
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Reply #71 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 7:46am
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 6:30pm:
Yes Stig - it would be massively expensive. But there always should be something happening, that always is - something productive, constructive and beneficial for our future.
We can do more than just a bloody harbour bridge and Opera House, surely?  Huh

GNADS - that's a very good type of Map if that is indeed accurate?  As you can see, 3/4's of the Map shows water around the edge of Australia flowing out, not much flowing inward, even via detour to the coast.
A 'heart' has half pumping in, other half pumping out.
Midnight Oil was right - ours is a Dead Heart or at least totally out of whack.


The Lake Eyre Basin and the Murray Darling Basin cover vast areas of inland Australia.

The problem is that there is no regularity of flow in those(the largest in the country) catchments ..... because they are in very arid areas and it takes huge rains(like we are seeing now) to go down the whole system.....

those events just don't happen often enough.
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Reply #72 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 7:52am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 6th, 2019 at 1:44am:
Stig wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 11:44am:
Jasin wrote on Feb 4th, 2019 at 8:57pm:
They might call a National Emergency with this one.
The Floods of QLD.

Here is a timely and perfect example of the need for a national Canal network right across the continent.

Right now, there could be a QLD network of Canal systems that would be 'draining' all that floodwater away. The water up there would be 'moving' and not sitting like a dirty stagnant duckpond. All that water would, over the course of a few weeks - be transported (by gates, etc) across into lower NT, into NSW and as far as SA. There it will be put to good use. It could even feed a massive 'Ever-glades' like Wetlands in the middle of Australia.

A network of Canals, big and small (like they have in the Riverina) would enhance the landscape, provide much needed water access and basically add a lot of money to potentially opening up the entire interior to productivity and population.

But for now - the water remains in QLD.


It isn't done because it would be ridiculously expensive. As in trillions of dollars expensive


They were talking about how the project could be done for $9 billion. Apparently, there is an argument against channelling water from flood areas to more central areas of Australia. Western Qld would probably be better suited if the flood prone areas had pipes to be put in and directed through the towns on the way to more drought prone areas for times when places like Townsville are in flood. Something to mitigate the flooding and allowing the city to get back to business in little time.


And tell me how much do you reckon it would cost to "pump" all that coastal water up over the Great Dividing range?

$9 billion wouldn't even scratch the surface.

I suppose they could pinch water out of the Burdekin Dam ...... but that would be robbing Peter to pay Paul .... possibly leaving the Burdekin Sugar industry short.

Not to mention the losses through soakage and evaporation down those huge inland waterways.

We certainly don't need intensive agriculture down the Cooper Creek, Diamantina, Georgina, Finke and other Channel Country rivers.
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Reply #73 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 9:31am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 6th, 2019 at 1:44am:
Stig wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 11:44am:
Jasin wrote on Feb 4th, 2019 at 8:57pm:
They might call a National Emergency with this one.
The Floods of QLD.

Here is a timely and perfect example of the need for a national Canal network right across the continent.

Right now, there could be a QLD network of Canal systems that would be 'draining' all that floodwater away. The water up there would be 'moving' and not sitting like a dirty stagnant duckpond. All that water would, over the course of a few weeks - be transported (by gates, etc) across into lower NT, into NSW and as far as SA. There it will be put to good use. It could even feed a massive 'Ever-glades' like Wetlands in the middle of Australia.

A network of Canals, big and small (like they have in the Riverina) would enhance the landscape, provide much needed water access and basically add a lot of money to potentially opening up the entire interior to productivity and population.

But for now - the water remains in QLD.


It isn't done because it would be ridiculously expensive. As in trillions of dollars expensive


They were talking about how the project could be done for $9 billion. Apparently, there is an argument against channelling water from flood areas to more central areas of Australia. Western Qld would probably be better suited if the flood prone areas had pipes to be put in and directed through the towns on the way to more drought prone areas for times when places like Townsville are in flood. Something to mitigate the flooding and allowing the city to get back to business in little time.


You need to look at the costs v benefits.... stating a cost in isolation is false, since much of that will go back into the economy via taxation along the way, incomes for many, and so forth.. and when infrastructure is built and operating, there are (gasps) flow-on benefits as well, such as power generation and opportunity for development and production, thus (gasps) generating greater economic activity.  Good place to spot the refos and immigros... employ the Blecks usefully so they can get out of the mire they are wallowing in ... learn the Wharte Man's way of working for a living and forget about Invention Day......

Solar/wind pumping to the top of the ranges and then acceleration downhill.. it's a big project but it is feasible.

The biggest problem I see with inlanding water is salinity...
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Reply #74 - Feb 6th, 2019 at 2:12pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 4th, 2019 at 9:37pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 4th, 2019 at 9:31pm:
Why not just put some big water tanks in outer space and pump the water up through flexible hoses, then we can drop it wherever we want. We could power it with whale blubber.


I want to run really thick fibre optic cable around the world and pipe sunlight in at night.


Superconducting HVDC cable is now at a stage where you could theoretically run such a cable around the world to utilise and distribute renewable energy. Given the nations that would be involved in such a project, it is currently not viable.
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