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Labor's 50% renewable target - energy insanity
Feb 2nd, 2019 at 1:37pm
 
Labor with one eye over it's shoulder at it's heavy reliance on the Labor Left and the Greens is hellbent on the 50% Renewable Energy target and let the devil take tomorrow

Which, if Bill Shorten becomes Prime Minister the devil surely will

The recent heavy blasts of hot weather has shown just how feeble our national energy grid is

200,000 homes fell over in Victoria, one of, if not the most dependant State on renewable energy

Lefty critics were quick to blame aging Coal Energy areas for the shortfall

That is correct but it doesn't hold up if you put it under the magnifying glass

Labor States have been putting Coal energy to the sword for quite some time now. You can't have it both ways. If you allow older generating stations to fail and don't replace them with modern more efficient facilities then they will surely let you down when you require them to perform like Phar Lap

There will come the time..inevitable under Shorten when the national electricity  network will fold like a tent

Just hope all the lefties and greenies don't whinge when they have to live like the early settlers

Windmills and solar panels can't cut it, when the demand goes up a fraction

The national Energy market is in total chaos with coal companies unwilling to invest in a very uncertain future under Labor

Shorten will likely make his 50% but there will be many times in the long hot summer when we are sitting by candlelight and having cold showers
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Re: Labor's 50% renewable target - energy insanity
Reply #1 - Feb 2nd, 2019 at 2:00pm
 
I suppose 0% renewable target is energy sanity.
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Reply #2 - Feb 2nd, 2019 at 2:28pm
 
red baron wrote on Feb 2nd, 2019 at 1:37pm:
Labor with one eye over it's shoulder at it's heavy reliance on the Labor Left and the Greens is hellbent on the 50% Renewable Energy target and let the devil take tomorrow

Which, if Bill Shorten becomes Prime Minister the devil surely will

The recent heavy blasts of hot weather has shown just how feeble our national energy grid is

200,000 homes fell over in Victoria, one of, if not the most dependant State on renewable energy

Lefty critics were quick to blame aging Coal Energy areas for the shortfall

That is correct but it doesn't hold up if you put it under the magnifying glass

Labor States have been putting Coal energy to the sword for quite some time now. You can't have it both ways. If you allow older generating stations to fail and don't replace them with modern more efficient facilities then they will surely let you down when you require them to perform like Phar Lap

New coal plants are more expensive than renewable energy. We passed that tipping point a few years ago.

The only reason old coal energy may appear cheap is the old energy generation facilities have depreciated long ago. A new coal-fired plant would be significantly more expensive. That's ignoring the added cost of cleaning up the emissions to modern standards and the possibility that such a plant cannot get financed at all.

As for reliability, it was the coal plants that failed, not the renewable generators.

If there's any failing on renewable energy, it's not the reliability. It's the storage of excess energy. Sometimes solar generates so much energy that surplus energy is simply lost. Adding more batteries to the grid can do a lot to mitigate this. It would have the side benefit of smoothing out supply and reducing peak prices.

But one thing is clear. Coal is not the answer. It is a moribund technology with its best days behind it.
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Reply #3 - Feb 2nd, 2019 at 2:33pm
 
Unfortunately Red fella, national energy is in a parlous state only because the current government have no energy policy at all. Without clarity of direction there will be subdued investment. Without necessary investment each state simply kludges together whatever will get them over the hump with little available money and forced sell offs.

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Reply #4 - Feb 2nd, 2019 at 2:40pm
 
Six Years and 14 energy policy variations and still we have no idea,  well apart from sky rocketing prices on account of this government,  that's the only certainty
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Reply #5 - Feb 2nd, 2019 at 10:30pm
 
I'm going 100% when we move oceanside... a system 25% more capacity than we use.... even when it's cloudy it will still produce enough...
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Reply #6 - Feb 2nd, 2019 at 11:11pm
 
There's not enough renewable energy !! If we had enough solar then the load imposed by the air-conditioners during the day would not be a problem because solar PV produces maximum power when there is maximum demand from air conditioners. It's a no-brainer !

Why are aussies so thick ?
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Reply #7 - Feb 3rd, 2019 at 3:48pm
 
Despite all the hot air from the gullible Globally Warmed Lefties the sun STILL won't shine at night AND the wind still won't blow all the time.

And the tiny white elephant Tesla battery in SA could only run the Tomago Aluminium smelter for a few minutes before exploding in huge sheets of flame and debris!!!!

In SA AND Vic both states ruined by the grossly incompetent Labor Govts the windymills conk out if it gets too hot and they hardly produced anything during the hot spell as the wind stopped because it was too hot.

Renewable energy has all the Labor hallmarks of another NeverBuiltNetwork written all over it.

Renewables can only ever be a Secondary Power source because it cannot be relied on to be there when needed.

The ONLY way renewables might be tolerated is if ALL industry in Australia was moved to Asia and Australia became a primitive agrarian society like something you would find in Africa.

But the THIS IS EXACTLY what the Extremist Greenies WANT TO HAPPEN and will be blackmailing Labor from the Senate to do exactly this.

SO DO NOT VOTE FOR the union and Extremist Greeny controlled Labor Party. If you do you will live to REGRET IT SEVERELY!!!!!
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Reply #8 - Feb 3rd, 2019 at 4:18pm
 
Bam wrote on Feb 2nd, 2019 at 2:28pm:
New coal plants are more expensive than renewable energy. We passed that tipping point a few years ago.



Does that include the attendant battery back up? Figures would be nice; not just bland assertions.
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Reply #9 - Feb 3rd, 2019 at 4:55pm
 
Coalition going into the election without a climate policy and a socialist big stick energy policy.
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Reply #10 - Feb 3rd, 2019 at 7:04pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Feb 2nd, 2019 at 11:11pm:
There's not enough renewable energy !! If we had enough solar then the load imposed by the air-conditioners during the day would not be a problem because solar PV produces maximum power when there is maximum demand from air conditioners. It's a no-brainer !

Why are aussies so thick ?

The trick with solar is to put some of the panels on west-facing rooftops to catch the afternoon sun. That's the time of the day when demand peaks.
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Reply #11 - Feb 3rd, 2019 at 7:26pm
 
My solar absolutely rocks,  10.40 credit last bill and I'm thrashing the air con

Love my solar power  Smiley
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Reply #12 - Feb 3rd, 2019 at 7:52pm
 
Its time wrote on Feb 3rd, 2019 at 7:26pm:
My solar absolutely rocks,  10.40 credit last bill and I'm thrashing the air con

Love my solar power  Smiley

You love your tax subsidy...


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Reply #13 - Feb 3rd, 2019 at 8:17pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 3rd, 2019 at 7:52pm:
Its time wrote on Feb 3rd, 2019 at 7:26pm:
My solar absolutely rocks,  10.40 credit last bill and I'm thrashing the air con

Love my solar power  Smiley

You love your tax subsidy...




I recollect you opposing any changes to divedend imputation,  let's be consistent you want a subsidy for that but you oppose a subsidy to help out the environment? 

Goodness me rtards and least get in a barrel instead of a thimble before I shoot you with 12 gauge
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Re: Labor's 50% renewable target - energy insanity
Reply #14 - Feb 3rd, 2019 at 9:48pm
 
Its time wrote on Feb 3rd, 2019 at 8:17pm:
I recollect you opposing any changes to divedend imputation,  let's be consistent you want a subsidy for that but you oppose a subsidy to help out the environment? 



Wow. Even St Paul of Keating never called dividend imputation a subsidy. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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