Australian Politics Forum - Labor's 50% renewable target

philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: Labor's 50% renewable target - energy insanity Reply #30 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 6:12pm Batteries are the future!!! https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/ugc/articles/2018/07/17/declining-battery-s...
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19694 Gender:	Re: Labor's 50% renewable target - energy insanity Reply #31 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 6:22pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 6:12pm: Batteries are the future!!! Of course they are. What is the system cost? maintenance cost? replacement cost? Remanufacture cost? Associated toxic metals disposal cost?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19694 Gender:	Re: Labor's 50% renewable target - energy insanity Reply #32 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 6:30pm BTW - By 2040 they will have retired 18.5GW of coal power and replaced it with 43GW of renewables excluding the storage.
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: Labor's 50% renewable target - energy insanity Reply #33 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 6:30pm lee wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 6:22pm: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 6:12pm: Batteries are the future!!! Of course they are. What is the system cost? maintenance cost? replacement cost? Remanufacture cost? Associated toxic metals disposal cost? Do you propose a carbon tax???
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19694 Gender:	Re: Labor's 50% renewable target - energy insanity Reply #34 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 6:32pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 6:30pm: Do you propose a carbon tax??? I thought batteries were carbon neutral. Apart from manufacture, remanufacture, disposal.
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: Labor's 50% renewable target - energy insanity Reply #35 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 6:37pm lee wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 6:32pm: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 6:30pm: Do you propose a carbon tax??? I thought batteries were carbon neutral. Apart from manufacture, remanufacture, disposal. Do you propose a carbon tax???
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crocodile Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6683 Gender:	Re: Labor's 50% renewable target - energy insanity Reply #36 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 7:05pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 6:12pm: Batteries are the future!!! https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/ugc/articles/2018/07/17/declining-battery-s... HVDC has a future. Goes a long way to helping with storage.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19694 Gender:	Re: Labor's 50% renewable target - energy insanity Reply #37 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 7:06pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 6:37pm: Do you propose a carbon tax??? A tax on carbon? No. A tax on Carbon Dioxide? No? Who wants to tax plant food? Who wants to tax human exhalations?
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crocodile Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6683 Gender:	Re: Labor's 50% renewable target - energy insanity Reply #38 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 7:14pm lee wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 7:06pm: philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 6:37pm: Do you propose a carbon tax??? A tax on carbon? No. A tax on Carbon Dioxide? No? Who wants to tax plant food? Who wants to tax human exhalations? As long as it was revenue neutral I wouldn't object.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19694 Gender:	Re: Labor's 50% renewable target - energy insanity Reply #39 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 7:18pm crocodile wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 7:14pm: As long as it was revenue neutral I wouldn't object. So no one claims the cost of collection?
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crocodile Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6683 Gender:	Re: Labor's 50% renewable target - energy insanity Reply #40 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:52pm lee wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 7:18pm: crocodile wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 7:14pm: As long as it was revenue neutral I wouldn't object. So no one claims the cost of collection? Being neutral, one cost replaces one removed.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19694 Gender:	Re: Labor's 50% renewable target - energy insanity Reply #41 - Feb 4^th, 2019 at 11:36pm crocodile wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:52pm: Being neutral, one cost replaces one removed. So if the cost of collection is foregone, the collecting party (Government) is losing money.
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: Labor's 50% renewable target - energy insanity Reply #42 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 11:48am Renewable energy is cheaper and less polluting than fossil fuel....The only way Australia can meet it's greenhouse emissions targets into the future is through renewable energy???
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Re: Labor's 50% renewable target - energy insanity
Reply #43 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 11:48am

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 5:24pm:

lee wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 5:12pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 4:30pm:

There are two figures given for storage...

There is only one set of figures. And there is no dollar cost.

There are two figures for storage and the analysis clearly considered battery storage and pumped hydro in it's cost analysis!!!

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storage (17 GW and 90 GWh)

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 4:30pm:

What is the difference between pumped storage and hydro Dickhead!!!

Well you see phil not all hydro is pumped storage. That last one is for hydro whether pumped storage or simply free fall with no pumping back to the dam.

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That's talking about pumped storage and hydro, not batteries.

Continuous hydro is not storage....Pumped hydro is storage along with batteries as the article stated....You are a dickhead mate!!!

Roll Eyes

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-03/angus-taylor-energy-minister-power-price-...

Still got nothing???

Huh

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crocodile Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6683 Gender:	Re: Labor's 50% renewable target - energy insanity Reply #44 - Feb 5^th, 2019 at 12:32pm lee wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 11:36pm: crocodile wrote on Feb 4^th, 2019 at 8:52pm: Being neutral, one cost replaces one removed. So if the cost of collection is foregone, the collecting party (Government) is losing money. When did the gummint ever pay for collection.
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