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Re: Why does Labor not believe in fairness/equality?
Reply #15 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 1:04am

macman wrote on Jan 31^st, 2019 at 2:52pm:

matty wrote on Jan 31^st, 2019 at 12:55pm:

Simply put, why does Labor believe that those who work for a living, who work hard to support their family, and spend and save their money wisely, should be penalised whilst who do not, and refuse to work, get given that extra income that those who do work hard, get?

And why should those who earn more and pay more taxes, get given NO pension at all whilst those who earn less do get paid a pension?

This is totally unfair.

Every time it is proposed that the old age pension should be raised your beloved mob of ars**oles give us a lecture that the pension is a safety net, not an entitlement. Thus, if you don't need it you don't get it. ii

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Re: Why does Labor not believe in fairness/equality?
Reply #16 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 1:11am

stunspore wrote on Jan 31^st, 2019 at 4:22pm:

As for the retired people -> they get to save on tax -> tax that would otherwise fund the government's budget. Now they want to cling on it and make an income off that instead of slowly consuming it. It's turning into a generational fortune since we don't use death taxes to reclaim it back.

They pay taxes on every purchase.... they don't pay income tax because they don't have taxable income, and those that do have to lodge a return ....

No government has a right to take, after death, the accumulated assets of any individual who has paid full taxes to acquire those assets along the way. Is it not enough that a pensioner is punished for accumulating a boat and a Windbag for personal use (no income - only outgo) and as a result of the assets test, lose some pension?

Tfalc is wrong with you people? You want to rob your grandmother? You want to rob your grandmother's descendants of the often small inheritance she wishes to pass on to them, as a good parent or grandparent would?

TFALC is wrong with you all?

What people EARNED is THEIRS to do with as they choose - not the falcon government's to dispose of as it sees fit.

Some of you clueless 'righties' are as bad as or worse than Stalin....

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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: Why does Labor not believe in fairness/equality? Reply #17 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 6:29am You say no government has the right...They aren't paying the correct marginal tax. Being merely taxed at 15% is not enough to fund the government and society. If we reduce everyone to 15% this is going to be real trouble.
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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21097 Perth Gender:	Re: Why does Labor not believe in fairness/equality? Reply #18 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 7:21am I note the OP abandoned his troll thread with not a single response....Why do we feed this dickhead???
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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: Why does Labor not believe in fairness/equality? Reply #19 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 8:48am Because the unions and now the Extremist Greenies control Labor.
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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Why does Labor not believe in fairness/equality? Reply #20 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 8:58am The definition of "fairness" is the essence of the left/ right debate.
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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: Why does Labor not believe in fairness/equality? Reply #21 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 5:52pm philperth2010 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 7:21am: I note the OP abandoned his troll thread with not a single response....Why do we feed this dickhead??? Hypocrite is tired?
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Re: Why does Labor not believe in fairness/equality?
Reply #22 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 11:13pm

Bam wrote on Jan 31^st, 2019 at 1:44pm:

matty wrote on Jan 31^st, 2019 at 12:55pm:

Simply put, why does Labor believe that those who work for a living, who work hard to support their family, and spend and save their money wisely, should be penalised whilst who do not, and refuse to work, get given that extra income that those who do work hard, get?

And why should those who earn more and pay more taxes, get given NO pension at all whilst those who earn less do get paid a pension?

This is totally unfair.

Would you like some cheese to go with your whine?

Extremely intelligent response.

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Re: Why does Labor not believe in fairness/equality?
Reply #23 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 11:15pm

stunspore wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 5:52pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 7:21am:

I note the OP abandoned his troll thread with not a single response....Why do we feed this dickhead???

Huh

Hypocrite is tired?

I was actually finishing writing a 17,000 word paper. Unlike the lefty dole bludgers on here, I actually do work and am unable to be on here every bloody day of the week.

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Re: Why does Labor not believe in fairness/equality?
Reply #24 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 11:17pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jan 31^st, 2019 at 2:10pm:

Not about SSM, where is the real matty.

I know that 9/10 my posts are about social issues but I am just as conservative economically as I am socially. And by conservative I mean ‘fair’, as in genuinely fair; not the skewed communist corrupted version of fair to which you lefties prescribe.

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Reply #25 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 11:25pm

Many posts here so allow me to elaborate with my answer:

Mr and Mrs. X work for a living. They work five days a week to support themselves and their children. These people pay more than their fair share of tax. They retire and have saved for their own retirement. They don’t get a pension because they have too much money. They then also get their franking credits stripped because they have too much money.

Meanwhile, Mr and Mrs. Y don’t work, they bludge off the taxpayer their whole lives and whatever money they may get, they blow on the pokies, cigarettes and alcohol. These people get the money paid by Mr and Mrs., the money that they contributed via their taxes and saving for their own retirement, the money that they saved up via working for a living.

And somehow, this is ‘fair’ in the eyes of Labor and its supporters.

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Reply #26 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 11:39pm

matty wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 11:25pm:

Many posts here so allow me to elaborate with my answer:

Mr and Mrs. X work for a living. They work five days a week to support themselves and their children. These people pay more than their fair share of tax. They retire and have saved for their own retirement. They don’t get a pension because they have too much money. They then also get their franking credits stripped because they have too much money.

Meanwhile, Mr and Mrs. Y don’t work, they bludge off the taxpayer their whole lives and whatever money they may get, they blow on the pokies, cigarettes and alcohol. These people get the money paid by Mr and Mrs., the money that they contributed via their taxes and saving for their own retirement, the money that they saved up via working for a living.

And somehow, this is ‘fair’ in the eyes of Labor and its supporters.

Fake scenario. With fake fairness. pay more than 'fair share'? Not paying tax is clearly fair to coalition supporters.

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Re: Why does Labor not believe in fairness/equality?
Reply #27 - Feb 1^st, 2019 at 11:51pm

stunspore wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 11:39pm:

matty wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 11:25pm:

Many posts here so allow me to elaborate with my answer:

Mr and Mrs. X work for a living. They work five days a week to support themselves and their children. These people pay more than their fair share of tax. They retire and have saved for their own retirement. They don’t get a pension because they have too much money. They then also get their franking credits stripped because they have too much money.

Meanwhile, Mr and Mrs. Y don’t work, they bludge off the taxpayer their whole lives and whatever money they may get, they blow on the pokies, cigarettes and alcohol. These people get the money paid by Mr and Mrs., the money that they contributed via their taxes and saving for their own retirement, the money that they saved up via working for a living.

And somehow, this is ‘fair’ in the eyes of Labor and its supporters.

Fake scenario. With fake fairness. pay more than 'fair share'? Not paying tax is clearly fair to coalition supporters.

1. So you’re saying that in the 24,500,000 odd people in Australia (notwithstanding children, disabled etc...) that not one couple fits these profiles??

2. The ‘more than their fair share’ - it is a fact that the more that one earns, the more tax they pay, despite not getting better access to public services.

3. Could you kindly point me toward any Coalition supporters saying that? Not that I am one, I don’t support either major party, but I have not seen Coalition supporters say that.

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Re: Why does Labor not believe in fairness/equality?
Reply #28 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 12:28am

matty wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 11:51pm:

stunspore wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 11:39pm:

matty wrote on Feb 1^st, 2019 at 11:25pm:

Many posts here so allow me to elaborate with my answer:

Mr and Mrs. X work for a living. They work five days a week to support themselves and their children. These people pay more than their fair share of tax. They retire and have saved for their own retirement. They don’t get a pension because they have too much money. They then also get their franking credits stripped because they have too much money.

Meanwhile, Mr and Mrs. Y don’t work, they bludge off the taxpayer their whole lives and whatever money they may get, they blow on the pokies, cigarettes and alcohol. These people get the money paid by Mr and Mrs., the money that they contributed via their taxes and saving for their own retirement, the money that they saved up via working for a living.

And somehow, this is ‘fair’ in the eyes of Labor and its supporters.

Fake scenario. With fake fairness. pay more than 'fair share'? Not paying tax is clearly fair to coalition supporters.

1. So you’re saying that in the 24,500,000 odd people in Australia (notwithstanding children, disabled etc...) that not one couple fits these profiles??

2. The ‘more than their fair share’ - it is a fact that the more that one earns, the more tax they pay, despite not getting better access to public services.

3. Could you kindly point me toward any Coalition supporters saying that? Not that I am one, I don’t support either major party, but I have not seen Coalition supporters say that.

One couple? Try again...... you pay your taxes in accordance with your income to support the nation as a whole and the government decides where to spend it - would you prefer to barricade your home against the hungry and fear to walk to work while your granny is mugged at the ATM on pension day
.... and coalition supporters don't need to say it - they live it with every breath - what's to discuss?

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Re: Why does Labor not believe in fairness/equality?
Reply #29 - Feb 2^nd, 2019 at 12:49am

Matty the coalition supporter (or supports the parties that side with coalition) prefers to remove progressive taxation then - because it is unfair.

Paying tax equally in amount doesn't mean necessarily mean fairness.

It isn't fair to get hit by a car even when you looked both sides of the road. It isn't fair that you were born taller or smarter than others in your class.

If people can produce more (and with the support of a safe, supportive environment e.g. a good society) they should support the infrastructure that makes it possible by paying more.

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