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What is doublethink?

According to Wikipedia:

"Doublethink is the act of simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in distinct social contexts.[1] Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy and neutrality. Also related is cognitive dissonance, in which contradictory beliefs cause conflict in one's mind. Doublethink is notable due to a lack of cognitive dissonance—thus the person is completely unaware of any conflict or contradiction.

My assertion is that most all devout religious people engage in some form of doublethink.
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Reply #1 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 9:27pm
 
I agree - Christians, Jews & Muslims believe the world is only 6,000 years old
yet they also know that it's about 4.5 billion years old.
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Reply #2 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 9:30pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 9:27pm:
I agree - Christians, Jews & Muslims believe the world is only 6,000 years old
yet they also know that it's about 4.5 billion years old.


Great example.
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Reply #3 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 11:05pm
 
I always 'double-think' because I have two hemisphere's of the brain that need to work. I call it something akin to being mentally ambidextrous.

I always look at it this way. Until you consider 'both' versions - even if they 'conflict', then you will never see the 'reason' for their conflict for starters.

I could up the ante and say - there are 8 Races and 8 Regions of the world, so there is 8 'right' answers to a problem. How good is that!  Cool You have 8 'choices', rather than just 'one'.
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Reply #4 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 11:31pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 9:27pm:

I agree - Christians, Jews & Muslims believe the world is only 6,000 years old
yet they also know        that it's about 4.5 billion years old.





That is a silly, unreasonable statement.

THE TRUTH....
Neither myself, nor any 'Young Earth' Christian, has any way to prove [to another person] that the earth is only 6,000 years old.

AND, neither you, nor man's science, can prove that the earth is [about] 4.5 billion years old.


Both positions, are merely [arguable] suppositions that can be made, based upon current hypotheses and evidences.




[Science has proven that the speed of light is not a constant, in time and space and medium.]


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Reply #5 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 11:38pm
 
You know Yadda.

There has been many a Ship's Captain that put his faith in the Compass, for it can draw a straight line right across the map from start to destination.
Many such a captain have ended up at the bottom of the sea - because they blindly put their faith in such an instrument (of Science) and ignored all the weather signs (birds, winds, skies, swell, etc) about the approaching storm.

So too, are those who 'blindly' put their faith in 3 old books that are a reflection of a world, before the rest of the world was discovered ...and 'seen' to be believed.

Your devotion to Christianity is admired, but it will betray you one day.  Sad
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Reply #6 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 12:08am
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 11:38pm:

You know Yadda.

There has been many a Ship's Captain that put his faith in the Compass, for it can draw a straight line right across the map from start to destination.
Many such a captain have ended up at the bottom of the sea - because they blindly put their faith in such an instrument (of Science) and ignored all the weather signs (birds, winds, skies, swell, etc) about the approaching storm.

So too, are those who 'blindly' put their faith in 3 old books that are a reflection of a world, before the rest of the world was discovered ...and 'seen' to be believed.

Your devotion to Christianity is admired, but it will betray you one daySad




No it won't.





We, men, do not know,       what our real circumstances are [in this 'life'].

I do not take psychotropic drugs.

But i have experienced many challenging things that i cannot explain.



I read scripture.

What i read in scripture, to some degree, makes some sense, and goes to some way to explain my experiences.

I am just searching.       ....that is all.

I am a curious and inquisitive individual.



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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1536933291/9#9
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I recommend this audio file [below] to you, which explains extraordinarily plainly, WHO YAHWEH IS.

The knowledge of who God is, is way above me.

But the content of this audio file is the most plausible and clear explanation i have come across of who God is, and it gives a satisfactory solution, to your query...

And, it is wholly a scriptural based explanation too!



audio source....
VFTB 277: Mike Heiser – The Unseen Realm

September 30, 2015
http://www.vftb.net/?p=5950

http://ia801509.us.archive.org/1/items/derekpaulgilbert_gmail_Vftb/vftb277_low.m...





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Reply #7 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 12:26am
 
Your Religion is compromised by both Time and Space.
It is from the Middle-East and of a time long ago.
Even now - Christianity is in the age of the Prophet Hitler (Redneck), no longer the Messiah Jesus (Gay).
The tide has turned and you have not set your sail accordingly to the winds of change.
Jesus opened Christianity, Hitler closed it.

You are now in Australia: A 'new' Religion must be created!

Pushing Christianity here is like driving a car on the ocean (no, I don't mean via a Ferry  Roll Eyes)
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Jasin wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 12:26am:


Your Religion is compromised by both Time and Space.



It is from the Middle-East and of a time long ago.
Even now - Christianity is in the age of the Prophet Hitler (Redneck), no longer the Messiah Jesus (Gay).
The tide has turned and you have not set your sail accordingly to the winds of change.
Jesus opened Christianity, Hitler closed it.

You are now in Australia: A 'new' Religion must be created!

Pushing Christianity here is like driving a car on the ocean (no, I don't mean via a Ferry  Roll Eyes)




Is it ?






REALITY....

In this waking consciousness, have access to the now moment.

And, i have 'possession', of a sense of [my own] self awareness.

That is all.

That,    ....is 'reality'.




BUT ALSO....

I'm not a 'victim', in, or of, what i experience in this life.



I am a man, i have the 'life' of a man,      and i appear to have self awareness, and     i experience     a [this] journey through what we have come to refer to, as 'time and space'.

AND, importantly,        i am not an automaton, something which can only respond to experiences in a predetermined way.

I am able to choose,        how i respond to my experiences, in this [my] life.

I am.

I choose, therefore, i am.



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"...I have been a stranger in a strange land."


Psalms 119:54
Thy statutes have been my songs in the house of my pilgrimage.


Proverbs 3:1
My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
2  For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
3  Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
4  So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.
5  Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6  In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.



"And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no."



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Yadda said....
Imagine a creation with free will, but with "no possibility of going wrong"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1516795090/0#0



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Reply #9 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:28am
 
A bit like AGW deniers?

They accept that we are experiencing record high temperatures, both maximum and minimum temps being higher than ever recorded - even when Solar Irradiance is at a low - yet refuse to accept that greenhouse gasses are the obvious cause of the record heat.  Shocked
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Reply #10 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:50am
 
Yadda wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 11:31pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 9:27pm:

I agree - Christians, Jews & Muslims believe the world is only 6,000 years old
yet they also know        that it's about 4.5 billion years old.





That is a silly, unreasonable statement.

THE TRUTH....
Neither myself, nor any 'Young Earth' Christian, has any way to prove [to another person] that the earth is only 6,000 years old.

AND, neither you, nor man's science, can prove that the earth is [about] 4.5 billion years old.


Both positions, are merely [arguable] suppositions that can be made, based upon current hypotheses and evidences.




[Science has proven that the speed of light is not a constant, in time and space and medium.]




Light is a very strange phenomenon.

It "slows" when entering a different medium - air to glass for example, and maintains that "new constant" yet "speeds up again" when exiting the glass back to air.

What is the mechanism that "speeds it up again"?  Huh


Which reminds me ...

E=MC2

As things stand, this actually rules out the ability to travel really really fast in a spaceship, because for something with mass to achieve something close to the speed of light requires either: almost infinite energy, or almost infinite time to be achieved.

I'm a little sad about that, it means there can't ever be "warp speed" like in Star Trek.   Cry



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Reply #11 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:52am
 
Yadda wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 7:40am:

I am able to choose,        how i respond to my experiences, in this [my] life.

I am.


I choose, therefore, i am.





'I am',   what ?



"And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM...."





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Here is a concept, a truth, which i believe in;

What we believe, determines how we will act [choose] in this life.

Our actions [choices] in this world, [i believe] are a reflection of what our morals, and a reflection of what our beliefs are.





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"It is our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities."

- Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - J K Rowling



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'Who' is God, the creator ?

What are his choices ?


Deuteronomy 32:1
Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
2  My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
3  Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
4  He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.





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Reply #12 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:57am
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:50am:

Which reminds me ...

E=MC2

As things stand, this actually rules out the ability to travel really really fast in a spaceship, because for something with mass to achieve something close to the speed of light requires either: almost infinite energy, or almost infinite time to be achieved.

I'm a little sad about that, it means there can't ever be "warp speed" like in Star Trek.   Cry




You should never say;     "there can't ever be".           Wink


Reality is much stranger, than any human mind can conceive of.



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Maybe ...


Oh, and another thing I want to get off my chest ...

Light has "zero mass" ... yet exerts "pressure".  Huh

WTF?


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One more while we are in the mood to question these things:

A "black hole" has "zero volume" yet "infinite mass or density"?

Say what?  Huh

My brain hurts.
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Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:11am:
One more while we are in the mood to question these things:

A "black hole" has "zero volume" yet "infinite mass or density"?

Say what?  Huh

My brain hurts.



And so it should -
truth is stranger than fiction.

Did you know that a teaspoon full of neutrons would weight more than Mount Everest?
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Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:11am:

One more while we are in the mood to question these things:

A "black hole" has "zero volume" yet "infinite mass or density"?

Say what?  Huh

My brain hurts.




The word 'infinite', which human science [and men], use as a 'descriptor',
is better stated as, 'we don't know how to quantify this yet'.             Wink


And, i cannot conceive, that a "black hole", truly, has "zero volume".          more  Wink



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Auggie wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 9:16pm:
What is doublethink?

According to Wikipedia:

"Doublethink is the act of simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in distinct social contexts.[1] Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy and neutrality. Also related is cognitive dissonance, in which contradictory beliefs cause conflict in one's mind. Doublethink is notable due to a lack of cognitive dissonance—thus the person is completely unaware of any conflict or contradiction.

My assertion is that most all devout religious people engage in some form of doublethink.


Yeah and some ppl use it for politics as well (eg trump supporters)

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 11:00am:
Auggie wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 9:16pm:
What is doublethink?

According to Wikipedia:

"Doublethink is the act of simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in distinct social contexts.[1] Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy and neutrality. Also related is cognitive dissonance, in which contradictory beliefs cause conflict in one's mind. Doublethink is notable due to a lack of cognitive dissonance—thus the person is completely unaware of any conflict or contradiction.

My assertion is that most all devout religious people engage in some form of doublethink.


Yeah and some ppl use it for politics as well (eg trump supporters)

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Bingo!

That didn't take long. Who will be the first to say the 'H' word?

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Yadda wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 11:31pm:
AND, neither you, nor man's science, can prove that the earth is [about] 4.5 billion years old.


Incorrect, science can prove that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

Pre-suppositions are not necessary. We KNOW that the earth is 4.5 billion years old. It is a FACT.
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Auggie wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
Yadda wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 11:31pm:
AND, neither you, nor man's science, can prove that the earth is [about] 4.5 billion years old.


Incorrect, science can prove that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

Pre-suppositions are not necessary. We KNOW that the earth is 4.5 billion years old. It is a FACT.



Yes - a scientific fact.
Any error in the amount would be very small.
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Bobby. wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:39pm:
Auggie wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
Yadda wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 11:31pm:
AND, neither you, nor man's science, can prove that the earth is [about] 4.5 billion years old.


Incorrect, science can prove that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

Pre-suppositions are not necessary. We KNOW that the earth is 4.5 billion years old. It is a FACT.



Yes - a scientific fact.
Any error in the amount would be very small.


Correct. I can't believe you and I are actually agreeing on this point.
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Auggie wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:49pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:39pm:
Auggie wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
Yadda wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 11:31pm:
AND, neither you, nor man's science, can prove that the earth is [about] 4.5 billion years old.


Incorrect, science can prove that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

Pre-suppositions are not necessary. We KNOW that the earth is 4.5 billion years old. It is a FACT.



Yes - a scientific fact.
Any error in the amount would be very small.


Correct. I can't believe you and I are actually agreeing on this point.



Really - I thought that you and many others
here were overwhelmed about my scientific understanding of the world & the universe?

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Bobby. wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:55pm:
Auggie wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:49pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:39pm:
Auggie wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
Yadda wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 11:31pm:
AND, neither you, nor man's science, can prove that the earth is [about] 4.5 billion years old.


Incorrect, science can prove that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

Pre-suppositions are not necessary. We KNOW that the earth is 4.5 billion years old. It is a FACT.



Yes - a scientific fact.
Any error in the amount would be very small.


Correct. I can't believe you and I are actually agreeing on this point.



Really - I thought that you and many others
here were overwhelmed about my scientific understanding of the world & the universe?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1541494438/0#0


Well, as I recall, don't you deny that an increase in co2 causes long-term warming of global temperatures?
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Auggie wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:55pm:
Auggie wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:49pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:39pm:
Auggie wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
Yadda wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 11:31pm:
AND, neither you, nor man's science, can prove that the earth is [about] 4.5 billion years old.


Incorrect, science can prove that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

Pre-suppositions are not necessary. We KNOW that the earth is 4.5 billion years old. It is a FACT.



Yes - a scientific fact.
Any error in the amount would be very small.


Correct. I can't believe you and I are actually agreeing on this point.



Really - I thought that you and many others
here were overwhelmed about my scientific understanding of the world & the universe?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1541494438/0#0


Well, as I recall, don't you deny that an increase in co2 causes long-term warming of global temperatures?



No - I never denied that.
CO2 is one of many greenhouse gases that can affect the climate.
Dust and SO2 from volcanoes can cool the climate.
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Bobby. wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:05pm:
Auggie wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 4:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:55pm:
Auggie wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:49pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:39pm:
Auggie wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 3:36pm:
Yadda wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 11:31pm:
AND, neither you, nor man's science, can prove that the earth is [about] 4.5 billion years old.


Incorrect, science can prove that the earth is 4.5 billion years old.

Pre-suppositions are not necessary. We KNOW that the earth is 4.5 billion years old. It is a FACT.



Yes - a scientific fact.
Any error in the amount would be very small.


Correct. I can't believe you and I are actually agreeing on this point.



Really - I thought that you and many others
here were overwhelmed about my scientific understanding of the world & the universe?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1541494438/0#0


Well, as I recall, don't you deny that an increase in co2 causes long-term warming of global temperatures?



No - I never denied that.
CO2 is one of many greenhouse gases that can affect the climate.
Dust and SO2 from volcanoes can cool the climate.


So, do you believe in Climate Change?
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Auggie wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
So, do you believe in Climate Change?



Of course I do - the climate has always been changing.
It was much warmer in the Roman & medieval warming periods
than it is now yet at those times the CO2 level was lower.

We also had many mini ice ages.

Explain that?
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Boat turn-backs work spectacularly. But if you are a UN cadre, doublethink kicks in:


The UN refugee agency’s ­Indonesia chief, Thomas Vargas, told The Australian that turn-back policies such as those used by Australia’s Border Force to prevent boatloads of asylum-seekers reaching Australia “just don’t work”.


With Labor, thee boats will start again. Kevni swore never to let the boats start and then let them start. Labor has been captured by non-working class activists and cannot be, must not be trusted.
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Reply #28 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 5:51pm
 
Science is becoming a industry of many 'double-thinks' ("yeah - nah" car ad?).

They have found a Star that is much older than the so-called estimated age of the Universe.
They have found that Comets emit an electrically charged 'tail' and its not a dirty snowball 'vapor' like they 'thought'.

Did we all 'Double-Think' before the Crop Circles, Big foot, Loch Ness Monster and more - were all 'proven' and 'admitted' hoaxes?

Was Mohommedism the 'Double-think' of Judaism with Christianity the confused piggy in the middle (east)?

I bet the Scientists of the CSIRO are doing a Double-think about the stupid idea of introducing Pacu Piranha into PNG waters (now turned carnivorous).

Maybe they will 'Double-think' about opening Australia up to the possibility of a network of 'Canal' (and pipe) systems across the country in regards to 'WATER' availability, containment, transfer, capture, irrigation and turning the Australian interior into something akin to the Nile Delta.

Did  you know it takes females less time to transfer the thought process from one hemisphere of their brains to the other, than males?  Cheesy Luckily for males, they only think about making babies and the latest beauty product - while males write religions about 'how to think and what to believe'.  Grin
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Reply #29 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 7:04pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 5:26pm:
The UN refugee agency’s ­Indonesia chief, Thomas Vargas, told The Australian that turn-back policies such as those used by Australia’s Border Force to prevent boatloads of asylum-seekers reaching Australia “just don’t work”.




They don't. Under Duttons watch Australia has received a RECORD number of asylum claims from people entering Australia. Boat turn backs have been an abysmal failure.


https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2018/12/09/record-number-asylum-seekers...

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Reply #30 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 8:06pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 7:04pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 5:26pm:
The UN refugee agency’s ­Indonesia chief, Thomas Vargas, told The Australian that turn-back policies such as those used by Australia’s Border Force to prevent boatloads of asylum-seekers reaching Australia “just don’t work”.




They don't. Under Duttons watch Australia has received a RECORD number of asylum claims from people entering Australia. Boat turn backs have been an abysmal failure.


https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2018/12/09/record-number-asylum-seekers...


They come on a visa you know who they are, Gino.  They come on a boat, you don't know who they are.  You sort them accordingly.

This shouldn't be beyond you, Gino.

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Reply #31 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 8:22pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
They come on a visa you know who they are, Gino.  They come on a boat, you don't know who they are.  You sort them accordingly.

This shouldn't be beyond you, Gino.


like man monis?  Grin Grin Grin

It certainly seems to be beyond you
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Reply #32 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 8:48pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 8:22pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
They come on a visa you know who they are, Gino.  They come on a boat, you don't know who they are.  You sort them accordingly.

This shouldn't be beyond you, Gino.


like man monis?  Grin Grin Grin

It certainly seems to be beyond you


Your real name is Samir Amir - isn't it.
You were born in a barn and licked clean by a camel.
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Reply #33 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:03pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 8:22pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
They come on a visa you know who they are, Gino.  They come on a boat, you don't know who they are.  You sort them accordingly.

This shouldn't be beyond you, Gino.


like man monis?  Grin Grin Grin

It certainly seems to be beyond you

Keating gave him a visa despite advice against it.

There is no cure for Labor buggerwittery - you are exhibit Numero Uno, Gino.  Nothing is too fkkn idiotic for you as long as it's against the interest of ordinary working people. labor is the enemy of the working class and you are with Bill and Chloe all the way.








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Reply #34 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:38pm
 
Light has "zero mass" ... yet exerts "pressure".

One or the other has to be wrong.

Clearly I don't doublethink
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Reply #35 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:53pm
 
miketrees wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:38pm:
Light has "zero mass" ... yet exerts "pressure".

One or the other has to be wrong.

Clearly I don't doublethink


I think Science in the last 20 years has contradicted itself a lot. It's like they have reached a dead end, for want of Hubble and Probe photo tours.
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Reply #36 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:03pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 5:21pm:
Auggie wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 5:07pm:
So, do you believe in Climate Change?



Of course I do -
the climate has always been changing.






Exactly correct, bobby.         Cool



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Reply #37 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:08pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 8:22pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
They come on a visa you know who they are, Gino.  They come on a boat, you don't know who they are.  You sort them accordingly.

This shouldn't be beyond you, Gino.


like man monis?  Grin Grin Grin

It certainly seems to be beyond you

Keating gave him a visa despite advice against it.

There is no cure for Labor buggerwittery - you are exhibit Numero Uno, Gino.  Nothing is too fkkn idiotic for you as long as it's against the interest of ordinary working people. labor is the enemy of the working class and you are with Bill and Chloe all the way.




Keating?  Grin Grin Grin Grin

I didn't think it was possible, but you seem to have gotten even dumber during my 14 month absence

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In 2001
, using the pseudonym Ayatollah Manteghi Boroujerdi,[11] he claimed in an interview with ABC Radio National's The Religion Report that he had been involved with the Iranian ministry of intelligence and security, and that his criticism of the regime and secret information he possessed had resulted in his persecution as well as the detention of his wife and children. During an ABC Radio interview, he claimed that his family's detention was a result of views the Iranian government believed to be "dangerously liberal".[19] David Ruteledge, the journalist who interviewed him, described this as "a little bit dramatic."[12]

Australia granted his request for political asylum
that year
.




Do I need to google for you who was PM in 2001 sore end?  Grin Grin Grin






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Reply #38 - Jan 29th, 2019 at 7:35am
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 5:51pm:
Science is becoming a industry of many 'double-thinks' ("yeah - nah" car ad?).

They have found a Star that is much older than the so-called estimated age of the Universe.
They have found that Comets emit an electrically charged 'tail' and its not a dirty snowball 'vapor' like they 'thought'.

Did we all 'Double-Think' before the Crop Circles, Big foot, Loch Ness Monster and more - were all 'proven' and 'admitted' hoaxes?

Was Mohommedism the 'Double-think' of Judaism with Christianity the confused piggy in the middle (east)?

I bet the Scientists of the CSIRO are doing a Double-think about the stupid idea of introducing Pacu Piranha into PNG waters (now turned carnivorous).

Maybe they will 'Double-think' about opening Australia up to the possibility of a network of 'Canal' (and pipe) systems across the country in regards to 'WATER' availability, containment, transfer, capture, irrigation and turning the Australian interior into something akin to the Nile Delta.

Did  you know it takes females less time to transfer the thought process from one hemisphere of their brains to the other, than males?  Cheesy Luckily for males, they only think about making babies and the latest beauty product - while males write religions about 'how to think and what to believe'.  Grin


Doublethink isnt the same as being wrong. Doublethink is holding two (or more) conflicting beliefs simultaneously.

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Reply #39 - Jan 29th, 2019 at 8:15am
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 10:08pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 9:03pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 8:22pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 28th, 2019 at 8:06pm:
They come on a visa you know who they are, Gino.  They come on a boat, you don't know who they are.  You sort them accordingly.

This shouldn't be beyond you, Gino.


like man monis?  Grin Grin Grin

It certainly seems to be beyond you

Keating gave him a visa despite advice against it.

There is no cure for Labor buggerwittery - you are exhibit Numero Uno, Gino.  Nothing is too fkkn idiotic for you as long as it's against the interest of ordinary working people. labor is the enemy of the working class and you are with Bill and Chloe all the way.




Keating?  Grin Grin Grin Grin

I didn't think it was possible, but you seem to have gotten even dumber during my 14 month absence

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In 2001
, using the pseudonym Ayatollah Manteghi Boroujerdi,[11] he claimed in an interview with ABC Radio National's The Religion Report that he had been involved with the Iranian ministry of intelligence and security, and that his criticism of the regime and secret information he possessed had resulted in his persecution as well as the detention of his wife and children. During an ABC Radio interview, he claimed that his family's detention was a result of views the Iranian government believed to be "dangerously liberal".[19] David Ruteledge, the journalist who interviewed him, described this as "a little bit dramatic."[12]

Australia granted his request for political asylum
that year
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Do I need to google for you who was PM in 2001 sore end?  Grin Grin Grin







Right. Keating gave the visa to the catsmeat mufti.

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