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Do you doublethink?
Jan 27^th, 2019 at 9:16pm

What is doublethink?

According to Wikipedia:

"Doublethink is the act of simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in distinct social contexts.[1] Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy and neutrality. Also related is cognitive dissonance, in which contradictory beliefs cause conflict in one's mind. Doublethink is notable due to a lack of cognitive dissonance—thus the person is completely unaware of any conflict or contradiction.

My assertion is that most all devout religious people engage in some form of doublethink.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95270 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Do you doublethink? Reply #1 - Jan 27^th, 2019 at 9:27pm I agree - Christians, Jews & Muslims believe the world is only 6,000 years old yet they also know that it's about 4.5 billion years old.
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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: Do you doublethink? Reply #2 - Jan 27^th, 2019 at 9:30pm Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 9:27pm: I agree - Christians, Jews & Muslims believe the world is only 6,000 years old yet they also know that it's about 4.5 billion years old. Great example.
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Reply #3 - Jan 27^th, 2019 at 11:05pm

I always 'double-think' because I have two hemisphere's of the brain that need to work. I call it something akin to being mentally ambidextrous.

I always look at it this way. Until you consider 'both' versions - even if they 'conflict', then you will never see the 'reason' for their conflict for starters.

I could up the ante and say - there are 8 Races and 8 Regions of the world, so there is 8 'right' answers to a problem. How good is that! Cool

You have 8 'choices', rather than just 'one'.

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #4 - Jan 27^th, 2019 at 11:31pm

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 9:27pm:

I agree - Christians, Jews & Muslims believe the world is only 6,000 years old
yet they also know that it's about 4.5 billion years old.

That is a silly, unreasonable statement.

THE TRUTH....
Neither myself, nor any 'Young Earth' Christian, has any way to prove [to another person] that the earth is only 6,000 years old.

AND, neither you, nor man's science, can prove that the earth is [about] 4.5 billion years old.

Both positions, are merely [arguable] suppositions that can be made, based upon current hypotheses and evidences.

[Science has proven that the speed of light is not a constant, in time and space and medium.]

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #5 - Jan 27^th, 2019 at 11:38pm

You know Yadda.

There has been many a Ship's Captain that put his faith in the Compass, for it can draw a straight line right across the map from start to destination.
Many such a captain have ended up at the bottom of the sea - because they blindly put their faith in such an instrument (of Science) and ignored all the weather signs (birds, winds, skies, swell, etc) about the approaching storm.

So too, are those who 'blindly' put their faith in 3 old books that are a reflection of a world, before the rest of the world was discovered ...and 'seen' to be believed.

Your devotion to Christianity is admired, but it will betray you one day. Sad

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #6 - Jan 28^th, 2019 at 12:08am

Jasin wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 11:38pm:

You know Yadda.

There has been many a Ship's Captain that put his faith in the Compass, for it can draw a straight line right across the map from start to destination.
Many such a captain have ended up at the bottom of the sea - because they blindly put their faith in such an instrument (of Science) and ignored all the weather signs (birds, winds, skies, swell, etc) about the approaching storm.

So too, are those who 'blindly' put their faith in 3 old books that are a reflection of a world, before the rest of the world was discovered ...and 'seen' to be believed.

Your devotion to Christianity is admired, but it will betray you one day. Sad

No it won't.

We, men, do not know, what our real circumstances are [in this 'life'].

I do not take psychotropic drugs.

But i have experienced many challenging things that i cannot explain.

I read scripture.

What i read in scripture, to some degree, makes some sense, and goes to some way to explain my experiences.

I am just searching. ....that is all.

I am a curious and inquisitive individual.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1536933291/9#9
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I recommend this audio file [below] to you, which explains extraordinarily plainly, WHO YAHWEH IS.

The knowledge of who God is, is way above me.

But the content of this audio file is the most plausible and clear explanation i have come across of who God is, and it gives a satisfactory solution, to your query...

And, it is wholly a scriptural based explanation too!

audio source....

VFTB 277: Mike Heiser – The Unseen Realm

September 30, 2015
http://www.vftb.net/?p=5950

http://ia801509.us.archive.org/1/items/derekpaulgilbert_gmail_Vftb/vftb277_low.m...

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #7 - Jan 28^th, 2019 at 12:26am

Your Religion is compromised by both Time and Space.
It is from the Middle-East and of a time long ago.
Even now - Christianity is in the age of the Prophet Hitler (Redneck), no longer the Messiah Jesus (Gay).
The tide has turned and you have not set your sail accordingly to the winds of change.
Jesus opened Christianity, Hitler closed it.

You are now in Australia: A 'new' Religion must be created!

Pushing Christianity here is like driving a car on the ocean (no, I don't mean via a Ferry Roll Eyes

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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.

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Reply #8 - Jan 28^th, 2019 at 7:40am

Jasin wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 12:26am:

Your Religion is compromised by both Time and Space.

It is from the Middle-East and of a time long ago.
Even now - Christianity is in the age of the Prophet Hitler (Redneck), no longer the Messiah Jesus (Gay).
The tide has turned and you have not set your sail accordingly to the winds of change.
Jesus opened Christianity, Hitler closed it.

You are now in Australia: A 'new' Religion must be created!

Pushing Christianity here is like driving a car on the ocean (no, I don't mean via a Ferry Roll Eyes

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Is it ?

REALITY....

In this waking consciousness, have access to the now moment.

And, i have 'possession', of a sense of [my own] self awareness.

That is all.

That, ....is 'reality'.

BUT ALSO....

I'm not a 'victim', in, or of, what i experience in this life.

I am a man, i have the 'life' of a man,    and i appear to have self awareness, and    i experience    a [this] journey through what we have come to refer to, as 'time and space'.

AND, importantly,       i am not an automaton, something which can only respond to experiences in a predetermined way.

I am able to choose,       how i respond to my experiences, in this [my] life.

I am.

I choose, therefore, i am.

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"...I have been a stranger in a strange land."

Psalms 119:54
Thy statutes have been my songs in the house of my pilgrimage.

Proverbs 3:1
My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments:
2 For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee.
3 Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart:
4 So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man.
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

"And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no."

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Yadda said....
Imagine a creation with free will, but with "no possibility of going wrong"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1516795090/0#0

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8428 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Do you doublethink? Reply #9 - Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:28am A bit like AGW deniers? They accept that we are experiencing record high temperatures, both maximum and minimum temps being higher than ever recorded - even when Solar Irradiance is at a low - yet refuse to accept that greenhouse gasses are the obvious cause of the record heat.
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Reply #10 - Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:50am

Yadda wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 11:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 9:27pm:

I agree - Christians, Jews & Muslims believe the world is only 6,000 years old
yet they also know that it's about 4.5 billion years old.

That is a silly, unreasonable statement.

THE TRUTH....
Neither myself, nor any 'Young Earth' Christian, has any way to prove [to another person] that the earth is only 6,000 years old.

AND, neither you, nor man's science, can prove that the earth is [about] 4.5 billion years old.

Both positions, are merely [arguable] suppositions that can be made, based upon current hypotheses and evidences.

[Science has proven that the speed of light is not a constant, in time and space and medium.]

Light is a very strange phenomenon.

It "slows" when entering a different medium - air to glass for example, and maintains that "new constant" yet "speeds up again" when exiting the glass back to air.

What is the mechanism that "speeds it up again"? Huh

Which reminds me ...

E=MC²

As things stand, this actually rules out the ability to travel really really fast in a spaceship, because for something with mass to achieve something close to the speed of light requires either: almost infinite energy, or almost infinite time to be achieved.

I'm a little sad about that, it means there can't ever be "warp speed" like in Star Trek. Cry

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Reply #11 - Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:52am

Yadda wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 7:40am:

I am able to choose, how i respond to my experiences, in this [my] life.

I am.

I choose, therefore, i am.

'I am', what ?

"And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM...."

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1314924598/24#24
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Here is a concept, a truth, which i believe in;

What we believe, determines how we will act [choose] in this life.

Our actions [choices] in this world, [i believe] are a reflection of what our morals, and a reflection of what our beliefs are.

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"It is our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities."

- Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - J K Rowling

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'Who' is God, the creator ?

What are his choices ?

Deuteronomy 32:1
Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #12 - Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:57am

Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:50am:

Which reminds me ...

E=MC²

As things stand, this actually rules out the ability to travel really really fast in a spaceship, because for something with mass to achieve something close to the speed of light requires either: almost infinite energy, or almost infinite time to be achieved.

I'm a little sad about that, it means there can't ever be "warp speed" like in Star Trek. Cry

You should never say; "there can't ever be". Wink

Reality is much stranger, than any human mind can conceive of.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8428 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Do you doublethink? Reply #13 - Jan 28^th, 2019 at 10:07am Maybe ... Oh, and another thing I want to get off my chest ... Light has "zero mass" ... yet exerts "pressure". WTF?
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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8428 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Do you doublethink? Reply #14 - Jan 28^th, 2019 at 10:11am One more while we are in the mood to question these things: A "black hole" has "zero volume" yet "infinite mass or density"? Say what? My brain hurts.
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