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Re: AEC favoritism - yes or no
Reply #15 - Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:39am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 6:26pm:
So the AEC is supposed to be independent and impartial. Then why is the ALP and the Coalition mentioned several times (below)?

This will test your sense of impartiality. What would you do? leave the names "ALP", "Coalition" and "Major Parties" in, or take them out and instead talk about political parties in general without mentioning the names of any parties?



You are being pedantic
Up until recent years all seats have been contests between the ALP and Coalition.
Even now, 99% of seats are between ALP and Coalition.
They are the 2 major parties so I don't have an issue with the AEC describing them as the 2 major parties.
Voters are still able to vote for whomever they want
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Reply #16 - Jan 26th, 2019 at 11:34am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 12:58am:
It seems the AEC wants to appeal to those people and no one else, with their two party preferred biased garbage



abc isn't there to appeal to anyone. They're there to inform the public on the process off and run and oversee elections. That's exactly what they do. You seem to think impartially means pretending reality doesn't exist.
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Reply #17 - Jan 26th, 2019 at 1:38pm
 
Whole topic sounds like a lot of nonsense to me!

Sounds like bias_ 2012 is biased!

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Reply #18 - Jan 26th, 2019 at 2:27pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 10:29pm:
There are only two major parties that can ever form a Government in Australia.

Labor or Coalition, that's a fact.

Hence, there is the Government side, the Opposition side and the cross-bench.

The Cross-bench never having enough numbers to displace the two major parties to form a Government.

The AEC is totally correct to state that there are two major parties and mention the two party names.



So you all agree with Captain Nemo then? It's a fact that Australia will never be governed by any others than the ALP and the Coalition, and the AEC is quite within their independent and impartial rights to select those parties as their favorites - because they are the major parties

Makes sense to some I suppose, but you'd be totally biased if you continue to believe that the only two parties who have the divine right to govern Australia forever and a day are the ALP and the Coalition

Why are you all biased that way, is there a good reason?
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Reply #19 - Jan 26th, 2019 at 2:59pm
 
We are known to basically have a 2 party system. That can change but it hasn't yet.

while we have a 2 party system then the TTP statistic has meaning.

There is no preference. It is just a statistical measurement used to assist in prediction for close seats.

The 2PP statistic has no impact on elections or reality.

At this time there are only 2 party's that field enough contestants to be able to form government.

The minor groups could win just about every seat they contest and still not have enough seats to form government. They are not even trying to do this.
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Reply #20 - Jan 26th, 2019 at 3:00pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 2:27pm:
It's a fact that Australia will never be governed by any others than the ALP and the Coalition,



not in your lifetime anyway.
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Reply #21 - Jan 26th, 2019 at 8:32pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 2:59pm:
We are known to basically have a 2 party system. That can change but it hasn't yet.


Well it's a mistaken belief that it's a 2 party system. It's a multi party system and the AEC has the job of ensuring all parties are registered etc etc no matter how many parties there are. Each party needs 500 members minimum, then they qualify to contest elections. The ALP and the Coalition are just two more parties among the many for the AEC to deal with, or that's how it's supposed to be. However, I suspect the AEC has it's two favorites, the ALP and the Coalition, since they mention only those names as we see in the Opening Post


Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 2:59pm:
There is no preference. It is just a statistical measurement used to assist in prediction for close seats.


Then why do they use "preferred" in "two party preferred" ?


Dnarever wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 2:59pm:
At this time there are only 2 party's that field enough contestants to be able to form government.


Helped along by the $22million tax payers money each party receives for funding their campaigns 


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Reply #22 - Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:02pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 3:00pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 2:27pm:
It's a fact that Australia will never be governed by any others than the ALP and the Coalition,



not in your lifetime anyway.


Maybe so, but don't be too cocky, you can see what state they're in, one has no idea what it's doing, and the other is only preaching to it's own rusted-on. Both parties are losing their attractiveness to the public
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Reply #23 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 5:55pm
 
In conclusion we can see that the AEC is not really independent, nor is it impartial. The AEC has devised a Two Party Preferred system exclusively for the ALP and the Coalition. This is blatant favoritism and total bias towards these two parties

Here we can see the blatant favoritism and bias … this is the explanation of "Two Party Preferred" - The AEC clearly prefers the two major parties (ALP and Coalition) ….

The term 'two party preferred' (TPP) refers to a distribution of preferences (votes) between the two major parties – the ALP and the Coalition


How much clearer can they express their bias?
- No doubt the ALP and the Coalition would be more than happy with this bias


Posters in this thread have defended the AEC mentioning these two parties by name, and they make no apology for it. The reason they give for their bias is that those two parties are the major parties and will govern so far into the future that it's not worth thinking if that will ever change

But could it be that the posters are supporters of one or other of the two major parties? - I think so

Of course they're not the only supporters of a major party, there are many voters we call "rusted-on", voting for one major party only, under all circumstances, conditions and policies

Other voters are swinging voter, voting just for the two major parties, and consider voting for minor parties as "protest" voting

Is it possible that the AEC also considers minor parties as "protest" parties? and that the major parties are the only authentic political parties, and therefore the only ones worth considering, hence why they name them in their site for everyone to see

True independence and impartiality means not favoring anyone or any party, and yet the AEC has a system of scrutiny for finding the preference flows for the ALP and the Coalition, even if their candidates are not the "final two candidates" ….

In divisions that do not have the ALP and Coalition as the final two candidates, a Scrutiny for Information is conducted to determine the two party preferred result. A scrutiny for Information in such cases is a notional distribution of preferences to find the results of preference flows to the ALP and Coalition candidates.


Again, clearly expressed bias by the AEC for the major parties


Remember this next time you hear the term "Two Party Preferred",  and when attending a polling booth


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Reply #24 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 6:24pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:02pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 3:00pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 2:27pm:
It's a fact that Australia will never be governed by any others than the ALP and the Coalition,



not in your lifetime anyway.


Maybe so, but don't be too cocky, you can see what state they're in, one has no idea what it's doing, and the other is only preaching to it's own rusted-on. Both parties are losing their attractiveness to the public



Lets see?

PM Pauline Hanson ???

PM Clive Palmer ??

No sorry don't see it.
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Reply #25 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 7:32pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 10:02pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 3:00pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 26th, 2019 at 2:27pm:
It's a fact that Australia will never be governed by any others than the ALP and the Coalition,



not in your lifetime anyway.


Maybe so, but don't be too cocky, you can see what state they're in, one has no idea what it's doing, and the other is only preaching to it's own rusted-on. Both parties are losing their attractiveness to the public



And still, as shambolic as that is, none of the minors get nowhere near as close. Even if one starts well, it usually self destructs with one or two terms. There is nothing on the horizon that will threaten the 2 majors anytime soon.
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Reply #26 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 8:03pm
 
Both of you are only confirming that my "concluding" post #23 is looking pretty good and accurate
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Reply #27 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 8:04pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 8:03pm:
Both of you are only confirming that my "concluding" post #23 is looking pretty good and accurate



no, your own bias is confirming that. We've both been telling you from the very beginning that you were wrong.
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Reply #28 - Jan 27th, 2019 at 9:48pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 8:04pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 8:03pm:
Both of you are only confirming that my "concluding" post #23 is looking pretty good and accurate



no, your own bias is confirming that. We've both been telling you from the very beginning that you were wrong.



Your statement might have relevance if this thread was in the Federal Politics board, but it's not there because I don't throw my support behind any current political party. The whole electoral system is corrupt. Only some of that corruption gets exposed, as an example: political parties that fail to check their candidates for dual citizenship - how many parties failed in that department? Those parties tried to pull the wool over our eyes

The major parties, after an election, ask the AEC for approx $22 million of taxpayers money and get it. How corrupt is that? The parties don't have to do that, but they do. It's not mandatory for them to apply for it. No party should get taxpayers money

Those high dollars are a product of compulsory voting, and the more that immigration grows the population, the higher the payout, for two registered parties that contest the same number of seats each election

No, my only bias is to have the names of those parties removed from the AEC site. It's AEC that is biased - "Two Party Preferred", who the hell made that one up? The same dictatorial idiots who made compulsory voting and AEC campaign funding payouts into law, I'll bet


Starting this topic in the "Philosophy" board is an attempt to wisen people up to the anomalies and corruption in the electoral system. It doesn't matter what minor parties do, the system is slanted to the major party advantage
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Reply #29 - Jan 28th, 2019 at 7:47am
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 9:48pm:
Only some of that corruption gets exposed, as an example: political parties that fail to check their candidates for duel citizenship - how many parties failed in that department? Those parties tried to pull the wool over our eyes


that's a different issue, and not one to do with the AEC ... you forget the AEC doesn't MAKE the rules, it just enforces the rules as they exist. It's the politicians that are corrupt.

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 9:48pm:
The major parties, after an election, ask the AEC for approx $22 million of taxpayers money and get it. How corrupt is that? The parties don't have to do that, but they do. It's not mandatory for them to apply for it. No party should get taxpayers money


I agree that should be stopped. But again, it's not the AEC who makes that decision. That rule is written in our laws. The AEC 's job is to make sure the laws are stringently followed.

Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 27th, 2019 at 9:48pm:
Those high dollars are a product of compulsory voting,

no, the high dollars are a result of greedy politicians. We can just as easily have compulsory voting and no payouts. The problem is that in order to do so, you'd have to get the politicians to vote themselves what would in effect be a paycut. Not likely to happen.

What we need to do to bring an end to all the blatant corruption is bring in a form of direct democracy. Take the decision making out of the politicians hands, and put it into the hands of the voting public. Then I would also ban political donations and introduce term limits for all politicians. No more lifetime politician whose only interests is winning the next election.



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