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AEC favoritism - yes or no
Jan 25th, 2019 at 6:26pm
 
So the AEC is supposed to be independent and impartial. Then why is the ALP and the Coalition mentioned several times (below)?

This will test your sense of impartiality. What would you do? leave the names "ALP", "Coalition" and "Major Parties" in, or take them out and instead talk about political parties in general without mentioning the names of any parties?

impartial |imˈpär sh əl|
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treating all rivals or disputants equally; fair and just


From the AEC site ....

What is the difference between two candidate preferred or two party preferred?

These are different terms, though they can often, but not always be interchanged.

The term 'two candidate preferred' (TCP) refers to a distribution of preferences (votes) between two candidates who are expected to come first and second in the election. Often the two candidates for the TCP process will be from the ALP and the Coalition, but it could also be candidates from minor parties or independent candidates depending on who is expected to gain the majority of votes.


The term 'two party preferred' (TPP) refers to a distribution of preferences (votes) between the two major parties – the ALP and the Coalition (Liberal/National parties). This comparison is usually used to try to predict the possibilities of forming a government. It is a tool that examines the proportion of votes that will go to the major parties after all preferences have been taken into consideration.



Why does the AEC conduct a full distribution of preferences where a candidate has won an absolute majority?

A distribution of preferences takes place in every division and is used to calculate the two party preferred statistics for divisions that have ALP and Coalition as the final two candidates. In divisions that do not have the ALP and Coalition as the final two candidates, a Scrutiny for Information is conducted to determine the two party preferred result. A scrutiny for Information in such cases is a notional distribution of preferences to find the results of preference flows to the ALP and Coalition candidates.




https://www.aec.gov.au/FAQs/Voting_Australia.htm#compulsory
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Reply #1 - Jan 25th, 2019 at 6:52pm
 
What is the p[roblem ?

It is only used for the TPP predictions in seats where the Two party's are in contest.

In reality it means nothing just the AEC trying to play Nostradamus, about as accurate too.
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Reply #2 - Jan 25th, 2019 at 8:42pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 6:52pm:
What is the p[roblem ?

It is only used for the TPP predictions in seats where the Two party's are in contest

In reality it means nothing just the AEC trying to play Nostradamus, about as accurate too.



So you think it's ok to leave the party names in then? your answer would be "No", there's no favoritism. Are you biased towards the two major parties?

The problem is that the important independent and impartial AEC displays no independence and impartiality when they mention party names. They have favorites, the ALP and the Coalition, probably because there's a very good chance the managers of the AEC are Lab and Lib voters and supporters


Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 6:26pm:
A distribution of preferences takes place in every division and is used to calculate the two party preferred statistics for divisions that have ALP and Coalition as the final two candidates.


Why is the ALP and the Coalition favored here?
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Reply #3 - Jan 25th, 2019 at 8:46pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 8:42pm:
So you think it's ok to leave the party names in then? your answer would be "No", there's no favoritism. Are you biased towards the two major parties?



acknowledging that they know who the two major parties are does not show bias.
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Reply #4 - Jan 25th, 2019 at 8:54pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 8:46pm:
acknowledging that they know who the two major parties are does not show bias.


Who is "they"?
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Reply #5 - Jan 25th, 2019 at 8:55pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 8:54pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 8:46pm:
acknowledging that they know who the two major parties are does not show bias.


Who is "they"?



They = AEC
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Reply #6 - Jan 25th, 2019 at 9:18pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 8:55pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 8:54pm:
John Smith wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 8:46pm:
acknowledging that they know who the two major parties are does not show bias.


Who is "they"?



They = AEC



They can't be anything else but biased if they mention the major parties so many times. The opening post is riddled with "ALP", "Coalition" and "Major Parties"

Remember this is a test of your impartiality. How would you go as CEO of the AEC? Would you be strict on maintaining independence and impartiality and not mention the names of parties?



Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 6:26pm:
A distribution of preferences takes place in every division and is used to calculate the two party preferred statistics for divisions that have ALP and Coalition as the final two candidates.


You don't see any favoritism for the ALP and Coalition here?
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Reply #7 - Jan 25th, 2019 at 9:38pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 9:18pm:
They can't be anything else but biased if they mention the major parties so many times. The opening post is riddled with "ALP", "Coalition" and "Major Parties"



It's a post about the two party preferred system.... what else would they talk about?
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Reply #8 - Jan 25th, 2019 at 10:29pm
 
There are only two major parties that can ever form a Government in Australia.

Labor or Coalition, that's a fact.

Hence, there is the Government side, the Opposition side and the cross-bench.

The Cross-bench never having enough numbers to displace the two major parties to form a Government.

The AEC is totally correct to state that there are two major parties and mention the two party names.

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Reply #9 - Jan 25th, 2019 at 10:30pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 9:38pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 9:18pm:
They can't be anything else but biased if they mention the major parties so many times. The opening post is riddled with "ALP", "Coalition" and "Major Parties"



It's a post about the two party preferred system.... what else would they talk about?


Which raises the next question: Why is there a two party preferred system? - Bet you can't answer it without showing favoritism for the major parties



Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 6:26pm:
The term 'two party preferred' (TPP) refers to a distribution of preferences (votes) between the two major parties – the ALP and the Coalition


AEC favorites again - can you see that?

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Reply #10 - Jan 25th, 2019 at 10:44pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 10:29pm:
There are only two major parties that can ever form a Government in Australia.

Labor or Coalition, that's a fact.

Hence, there is the Government side, the Opposition side and the cross-bench.

The Cross-bench never having enough numbers to displace the two major parties to form a Government.

The AEC is totally correct to state that there are two major parties and mention the two party names.




Yes I'm sure the AEC views things the way you do, totally partial towards the ALP and the Coalition
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Reply #11 - Jan 25th, 2019 at 10:47pm
 
Totally factual, not partial.
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Reply #12 - Jan 25th, 2019 at 11:18pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 10:47pm:
Totally factual, not partial.


biased then, totally biased towards the ALP and the Coalition, which is not what the AEC is there for, it's not independent if it's there for the ALP and the Coalition, we're being told a lie


Definition of "independent" ...

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not influenced or affected by others; impartial


Which means the AEC should not be mentioning the names of political parties (except of course when results come in after an election to list who got what)


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Reply #13 - Jan 25th, 2019 at 11:24pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 10:30pm:
Which raises the next question: Why is there a two party preferred system? - Bet you can't answer it without showing favoritism for the major parties



because in every race it usually ends up between two. most people don't care bout whose coming third, fourth or ninety ninth.
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Reply #14 - Jan 26th, 2019 at 12:58am
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 11:24pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 10:30pm:
Which raises the next question: Why is there a two party preferred system? - Bet you can't answer it without showing favoritism for the major parties



because in every race it usually ends up between two. most people don't care bout whose coming third, fourth or ninety ninth.


Actually a lot of people DO care about who's coming third or fourth. But I suppose what you're saying is that since 65-70% of voters vote ALP and Coalition, then it would be that 65-70% who would be interested in knowing which party won. It seems the AEC wants to appeal to those people and no one else, with their two party preferred biased garbage

However, you have missed the point of the word "preferred" in "two party preferred" - It's not up to the AEC to prefer any party, not the ALP, not the Coalition, or any other party, so they should scrap Two Party Preferred and be unbiased



Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 25th, 2019 at 6:26pm:
The term 'two party preferred' (TPP) refers to a distribution of preferences (votes) between the two major parties – the ALP and the Coalition

This is from the AEC site ... "Two Party Preferred" - the ALP and the Coalition. If you were the CEO of the AEC?, would you leave things the way they are and favor the ALP and the Coalition, or take those party names out?



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