Frank wrote on Jan 17^th, 2019 at 7:35pm:


Why do you keep repeating this, old boy? Why don't you just go back to my answers in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2012, 2015, 2016, and all their supplementary questions and answers you responded to by playing the cunning Paki ruse?

I do hope you're just on your 8th schnapps and not permanently deranged, dear. But that is 12 years of forgetting the answer to the question.

Would you like me to whisper it to you after lights-out? Again?

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 17^th, 2019 at 7:02pm:





[coz, ISLAMIC doctrine teaches the 'Aussie' moslem,     that ISLAMIC law, is superior to Australian law.]



Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.









/sarc off

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 7:30am:


This hypothetical is not meaningless Gandalf, which is probably why you are so evasive. If the Nazis had won, do you think there would be a higher proportion of 'good' ones today?

Also, I am not sure where you got your "logic" from. Not my posts.

The point about Muslims winning and Nazis losing is that the Muslims got to impose Islam on a lot more people than the Nazis did, so there is now a much greater effort at putting a positive spin on Islam than there is for Nazism, because it is the apparatus of state in a big chunk of the world. Partly directed inward at their own population, partly directed outward at the infidel. Greg has internalised this effort. There are also a lot more otherwise decent people who don't really have a choice. That is not you of course. You chose to adopt Islam, and as far as I can tell you came up with the mindless collective of treacherous Jews meme all by yourself.

Goebbels would have been proud.

freediver wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 12:17pm:


Yeah it is.

You are creating a ridiculous alternative history that says nazism was some Islam-equivalent religion that took over the German population, and then launched their campaign to "nazify" the world - ala Muhammad and the caliphate.

Its ridiculous, because it falls down at the first hurdle: namely, German society was not a "nazi" one - it was a christian one, and remained fundamentally so right to the end. Nazi efforts to indoctrinate the population into basically 'changing' their religion from christian to nazi was laughed out of court, and the nazis quickly gave up. Far from an actual religion that permeated ordinary people's personal and spiritual lives (like Islam), nazism was more like a liberal party gone really bad, elected to government, and then quickly dismantled all the institutions that protected democracy. If that happened here, we wouldn't suddenly call the Australian population "liberalists" or whatever - even if our government forced us on a reckless and ultimately self destructive campaign of military conquest.

Thats the clear difference with Islam. Even if you could make the case that there were "Hitler-like" leaders who dragged their nations into reckless warfare, you can't deny that there existed in society a deeply rooted religion that transcended politics - that deeply permeated into culture, personal behaviour and beliefs - in a way that nazism didn't even come close. Again, the obvious and indisputable proof is that German society under nazis was still staunchly christian, while Islamic societies were staunchly Islamic. Any attempts at comparison should just end right there and then.

To put it simply, Islamic nations were/are full of muslims - however "Nazi nations", were not full of nazis - they were full of christians. And it was christians who drove the engines of the nazi war - whether it was ordinary workers who worked the munition factories, or foot soldiers in the Wehrmacht. In only extremely rare cases would they have been motivated to help the nazis out of love and devotion to the nazi "religion" - in almost all cases it was a sense of duty and loyalty to their country - their very christian country.

So what would I expect to happen to actual nazis had they "won" (whatever that entails)? I believe the grown-ups would have entered the fray and told the Nazis "thank you very much, but we'll take it from here". It probably would have required Hitler to die first, and after that cult figure had gone, the rest of the nazis probably would probably lose interest/faith in whatever tenets count as their religion, and melted back into normal, conservative, christian German society. Who knows really. The point here though is that had Germany won, it would have been a *GERMAN" victory, won on the back of German Christians - and therefore the legacy would be handed to German christians, not nazis.

No, Moses, I was wondering about your other post. It was most benign.

Like your good self.

moses wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 3:07pm:


No, I can't, Moses. Are you aware of what you posted?

Never mind. Let's blame Moslems regardless. And remember:

Moslem == a follower of Islam.

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It was a question Gandalf. I was asking you what your version would be. You are creating an aweful lot of alternative history narratives in your efforts to avoid answering it. Here it is again for you: If the Nazis had won, do you think there would be a higher proportion of 'good' ones today?

Do you consider the distinction between ideology and accident of history to be meaningless?

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What if there had not been an end?

Mattyfisk wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 9:47pm:


Sorry Karnal, I will add it to your thread soon enough.