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The Murray-Darling management plan stinks   Sad
12 January 2019
Sydney Morning Herald


It has taken two local fishermen crying at the destruction of their favourite spot to bring clarity to the mind numbingly complicated debate about the Murray-Darling Basin plan.

For more than a decade, irrigators and environmentalists have argued about the technical details of how much water it is safe to extract from the million-square-kilometre region that accounts for 41 per cent of the nation's farm produce and 100 nationally significant wetlands.


Hopefully that will change thanks to Kate McBride, a resident of Menindee in western NSW, who posted a video of her father Rob and his mate Dick Arnold standing knee deep in the muddy water cradling two dead blanched Murray cod, some of the million fish killed by toxic algae over the past few weeks and are now rotting on the banks of the Darling.

The images have brought home the failure of a decade of reform under both parties, backed up with $13 billion in cash, which was supposed to prevent this sort of disaster.


No one is dismissing the economic importance of irrigation in the basin but it is clear that not enough is being done to protect the environment.

The Irrigation Council of Australia has claimed that the drought rather than its members are to blame. This is sophistry.

To be sure, like many environmental processes, the link between irrigation and the Menindee fish kill is complex. In a very severe drought, the river can dry out even without irrigation. But it is clear that too much irrigation cuts the flow of water down the rivers and that creates the hot, stagnant water where toxic algae breeds. The Menindee Lakes have run dry twice in the past four years.

When climate change is making droughts more frequent and drying out the land, the impact of irrigation will only become more dangerous.

Since the Howard government launched a National Water Initiative in 2007, bureaucratic doublespeak or when that fails outright theft and deception have thwarted plans to protect the basin. It has got worse since the Nationals, the allies of the irrigation lobby, took power both federally and in NSW.   Sad

The irrigation lobby bowdlerised scientific reports on water extraction targets and killed off the National Water Commission, the independent body supposed to set them. A Productivity Commission draft report last year said that the Murray Darling Basin Authority, which now manages the scheme for the government and ensures compliance, is conflicted.

The NSW government which has shared responsibility in the area has simply turned a blind eye when farmers with ties to the Nationals flouted the fairly modest targets that have been set for increased environmental flows. The Ombudsman has criticised the NSW Department of Primary Industry for gutting its enforcement department and telling inspectors not to cause trouble. The perception that a few huge irrigators with political connections have been allowed to rort the system has undermined faith in the whole exercise.

It is about good financial management as well as saving the environment. The federal government has paid about $5 billion to irrigators to build dams and other on-farm water efficiency measures on condition that they return water to the environment.

But the Productivity Commission report found that irrigators are having their cake and eatingit too. More than 4000 big irrigators have taken the cash, often worth hundreds of thousands of dollars per farm, but there is little auditing to see if there is any environmental benefit.

Incredibly, after a decade, in some parts of the river system almost three quarters of irrigators have not installed meters on pumps to measure how much water they are extracting.

Federal and state governments have thrown a veil of secrecy over the system. The federal government prevented the MDBA appearing before the SA government's royal commission into water and NSW water officials gave false information to the ombudsman about their gutless enforcement.   Sad

Some progress has been made and there is at least a target for the whole basin due to take effect this year but it is not enough. The government must rethink the target for how much water must be reserved to protect the environment and irrigators must be forced to stop taking water if that target is under threat. That will require a rigorous and independent body to do the science, meters to measure all water extraction and a new body capable of much tougher enforcement.

The one positive from the video is that it was taken and posted not by city-based environmentalists but by local farmers. It raises hope that many farmers are ready to accept that, providing it is done fairly and efficiently, they must change their practices to protect the waterways and environment of their beautiful country.
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Reply #1 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:22pm
 
whiteknight wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:05pm:
When climate change is making droughts more frequent and drying out the land, the impact of irrigation will only become more dangerous.



Don't you just love assertions with no attempt at quoting a peer-reviewed report.
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Reply #2 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:31pm
 
Libs dont' know how to manage the environment.  Or it has no intrinsic monetary value to them.  Also business donors probably not into it.
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Reply #3 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:42pm
 
Only 3 months ago I listened to the Liberals justifying the taking of another 20% of the flow out of the river system.

Forget the number but it was measured in thousands of gigalitres or more.

That is right very recently the Liberals gave more water from the Murray to business.
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Reply #4 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 8:34pm
 
The Greens are calling for a Royal Commission. This is a good idea. The administration of the Murray-Darling basin has become corrupt and a Royal Commission may be needed to sort it out.
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Reply #5 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 9:59pm
 
It takes a total catastrophe with hundreds of fish dying and algal plumes killing the river for the Nationals to do nothing....The whole scheme is shrouded in miss management and a total lack of accountability....This rabble must go!!!

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Reply #6 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:54pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:22pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:05pm:
When climate change is making droughts more frequent and drying out the land, the impact of irrigation will only become more dangerous.



Don't you just love assertions with no attempt at quoting a peer-reviewed report.


My local member Barnaby Joyce is asking for a further upgrade to increase Chaffeys dams capacity of 105 thousand megaliters after it reached %100 capacity 3 years ago to what now Joyce has been quoted as saying to deal with the threat of "climate irregularity" we are currently at level one water restrictions with the dam at %46 capacity.
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Reply #7 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 11:02pm
 
oh dear wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:54pm:
My local member Barnaby Joyce is asking for a further upgrade to increase Chaffeys dams capacity of 105 thousand megaliters after it reached %100 capacity 3 years ago to what now Joyce has been quoted as saying to deal with the threat of "climate irregularity" we are currently at level one water restrictions with the dam at %46 capacity.



And this proves more frequent droughts how?
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Reply #8 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 11:09pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 11:02pm:
oh dear wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:54pm:
My local member Barnaby Joyce is asking for a further upgrade to increase Chaffeys dams capacity of 105 thousand megaliters after it reached %100 capacity 3 years ago to what now Joyce has been quoted as saying to deal with the threat of "climate irregularity" we are currently at level one water restrictions with the dam at %46 capacity.



And this proves more frequent droughts how?


Because  Joyce lives here and is experiencing the increases in temperature increases and lives here?
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oh dear wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 11:09pm:
lee wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 11:02pm:
oh dear wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:54pm:
My local member Barnaby Joyce is asking for a further upgrade to increase Chaffeys dams capacity of 105 thousand megaliters after it reached %100 capacity 3 years ago to what now Joyce has been quoted as saying to deal with the threat of "climate irregularity" we are currently at level one water restrictions with the dam at %46 capacity.



And this proves more frequent droughts how?


Because  Joyce lives here and is experiencing the increases in temperature increases and lives here?


Barny was telling people to pray for rain Cheesy LOL
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Reply #10 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 8:56am
 
lee wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:22pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:05pm:
When climate change is making droughts more frequent and drying out the land, the impact of irrigation will only become more dangerous.



Don't you just love assertions with no attempt at quoting a peer-reviewed report.


Of course humans could never be responsible for any of this !!
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Reply #11 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 9:39am
 
For more than a decade, irrigators and environmentalists have argued about the technical details of how much water it is safe to extract from the million-square-kilometre region that accounts for 41 per cent of the nation's farm produce and 100 nationally significant wetlands.

come on guys     this hasnt just happened on the Libs watch.......

whilst you berate each other    nothing changes....

if you believe you have the answer  why waste it on here????... we cant do anything.......

tell the people that can....


we waste  so much water in this country.....


in the NT  it rains almost every day.....Qld has massive cyclonic flooding...  yet it doesnt go where its needed most......


as for the dead fish....some one need to answer for that..... Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

water management Roll Eyes


what



water management? Angry Angry Angry
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Reply #12 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 10:07am
 
The cotton industry should relocate to northern Australia where water is more reliable. Growing cotton in a region subject to regular droughts is an extravagance we can no longer afford.
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Reply #13 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 10:50am
 
cods wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 9:39am:
For more than a decade, irrigators and environmentalists have argued about the technical details of how much water it is safe to extract from the million-square-kilometre region that accounts for 41 per cent of the nation's farm produce and 100 nationally significant wetlands.

come on guys     this hasnt just happened on the Libs watch.......

whilst you berate each other    nothing changes....

if you believe you have the answer  why waste it on here????... we cant do anything.......

tell the people that can....


we waste  so much water in this country.....


in the NT  it rains almost every day.....Qld has massive cyclonic flooding...  yet it doesnt go where its needed most......


as for the dead fish....some one need to answer for that..... Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry

water management Roll Eyes


what



water management? Angry Angry Angry


how much tax payers money went into 'water management' ? What sort of management did we actually get ?
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Reply #14 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 11:14am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 8:56am:
Of course humans could never be responsible for any of this !!



So you can tell us that we are having droughts more frequently? Give us the data.
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oh dear wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 11:09pm:
Because Joyce lives here and is experiencing the increases in temperature increases and lives here?



So how much has the temperature increased in your neck of the woods? Got a weather station within say 100km that you care to share? Drought is more about lack of rainfall than temperature.

Does Joyce live there in two locations?
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Reply #16 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 11:23am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 10:50am:
how much tax payers money went into 'water management' ? What sort of management did we actually get ?


You mean the management going back to the 1860's? 1917? 1970's to 1990's? Or merely since 2007?
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Reply #17 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 11:28am
 
cods wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 9:39am:
For more than a decade, irrigators and environmentalists have argued about the technical details of how much water it is safe to extract from the million-square-kilometre region that accounts for 41 per cent of the nation's farm produce and 100 nationally significant wetlands.

come on guys     this hasnt just happened on the Libs watch.......


The Libs and Nats are to blame.

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Since the Howard government launched a National Water Initiative in 2007, bureaucratic doublespeak or when that fails outright theft and deception have thwarted plans to protect the basin. It has got worse since the Nationals, the allies of the irrigation lobby, took power both federally and in NSW.

The irrigation lobby bowdlerised scientific reports on water extraction targets and killed off the National Water Commission, the independent body supposed to set them. A Productivity Commission draft report last year said that the Murray Darling Basin Authority, which now manages the scheme for the government and ensures compliance, is conflicted.


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Federal and state governments have thrown a veil of secrecy over the system. The federal government prevented the MDBA appearing before the SA government's royal commission into water and NSW water officials gave false information to the ombudsman about their gutless enforcement.

Current Federal government: Libs and Nats (since 2013).
Current NSW government: Libs and Nats (since 2011).

The massive fish kills didn't happen ten years ago, cods. They're happening now.

Why are you deflecting this, cods?

The only Liberal government that's doing the right thing is the SA government with a state-based Royal Commission. However, there needs to be a Federal RC.
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Reply #18 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 12:39pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 11:14am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 8:56am:
Of course humans could never be responsible for any of this !!



So you can tell us that we are having droughts more frequently? Give us the data.


How much water sucked out of the rivers to feed water intensive crops ?
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Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 12:39pm:
How much water sucked out of the rivers to feed water intensive crops ?



Which of course is completely different to droughts. As far as I  am concerned there should be no water intensive cropping of the river.

It is the mismanagement by the states that has led to this.
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Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 11:28am:
The Libs and Nats are to blame.



You forgot South Australia.

Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 11:28am:
The massive fish kills didn't happen ten years ago, cods. They're happening now.



"Twenty-one reliable reports of fish kill events are recorded for the Goulburn-Broken catchment between 1998 and 2004 (Ecos 2004) and it is recognised that many others may not have been observed or reported.  Other fish kills were also reported in the Loddon and Campaspe Rivers during January and February 2004. New South Wales records 34 fish kill reports per year (figures for 1986-1996), but it is estimated that the real number may exceed 60-80 per year (Lugg 2000). "

https://www.mdba.gov.au/sites/default/files/archived/native-fish/The-loss-of-Mur...



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Reply #21 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 1:10pm
 
The cotton industry should relocate to northern Australia where water is more reliable. Growing cotton in a region subject to regular droughts is an extravagance we can no longer afford.

We have tried several times to grow cotton on the Ord, early attempts were defeated by insects, however with GM crops there is a chance it could be grown.

Aboriginal groups have been allocated plenty of land within the new irrigation area, but they have knocked back offers to help develop the land by the Chinese.
The land will probably sit idle for decades
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lee wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 12:56pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 11:28am:
The Libs and Nats are to blame.

You forgot South Australia.

No, I didn't. This is the sort of troll nonsense you perpetuate when you delete context.
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Reply #23 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 2:19pm
 
Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 1:47pm:
No, I didn't. This is the sort of troll nonsense you perpetuate when you delete context.



So irrigation in SA isn't a concern; merely upstream? Those states that have had years of liberal governments.Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Major Point (Alert!) !


Nationals serve the 'Rural' agenda (Farmed, cultivated lands).
Not the 'Country' agenda (Wild, uncultivated lands), which was originally the domain of the Greens Party, but they have seemed to have lost focus on that and is ADHD with everything else that is 'non-country'.

The Nationals will always put the 'Rural' aspect first and even at the cost of exploiting the 'Country' aspect to destruction (make way for more 'Rural').

High Temperatures, Droughts??
Well plant trees.
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Reply #25 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 2:42pm
 
To add.

We should be leaving 'natural' Waterways of the 'Country left untouched and 'natural' - no farm property attached, just like out the back of Sydney where no other property touches the freshwater canals that has its own land of something like 25m either side of its long length.

We should be building more man-made irrigation canals and water retaining lakes to accommodate the needs of Farms.
The more water that is retained around the land - the more moisture is in the air and the more chance of rain, better climate, things growing and overall 'support' of farming.
Come drought time, such water catchments and transfer canals (also retain) would make an overall impact that will increase growth over time with each drought period of sustainability.

So leave the natural waterways alone you grubs!
Build your own you lazy British blaming and USA grovelling - excuse for Australians.  Angry Tongue Roll Eyes
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Reply #26 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 4:19pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 12:45pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 12:39pm:
How much water sucked out of the rivers to feed water intensive crops ?



Which of course is completely different to droughts. As far as I  am concerned there should be no water intensive cropping of the river.

It is the mismanagement by the states that has led to this.


True.....
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Yes - the 'plan' looks pretty fishy..... and smells it, too....
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Bam wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 11:28am:
cods wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 9:39am:
For more than a decade, irrigators and environmentalists have argued about the technical details of how much water it is safe to extract from the million-square-kilometre region that accounts for 41 per cent of the nation's farm produce and 100 nationally significant wetlands.

come on guys     this hasnt just happened on the Libs watch.......


The Libs and Nats are to blame.

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Since the Howard government launched a National Water Initiative in 2007, bureaucratic doublespeak or when that fails outright theft and deception have thwarted plans to protect the basin. It has got worse since the Nationals, the allies of the irrigation lobby, took power both federally and in NSW.

The irrigation lobby bowdlerised scientific reports on water extraction targets and killed off the National Water Commission, the independent body supposed to set them. A Productivity Commission draft report last year said that the Murray Darling Basin Authority, which now manages the scheme for the government and ensures compliance, is conflicted.


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Federal and state governments have thrown a veil of secrecy over the system. The federal government prevented the MDBA appearing before the SA government's royal commission into water and NSW water officials gave false information to the ombudsman about their gutless enforcement.

Current Federal government: Libs and Nats (since 2013).
Current NSW government: Libs and Nats (since 2011).

The massive fish kills didn't happen ten years ago, cods. They're happening now.

Why are you deflecting this, cods?

The only Liberal government that's doing the right thing is the SA government with a state-based Royal Commission. However, there needs to be a Federal RC.



NO ONE SAID IT BEGAN 10 YRS AGO...

FOR MORE THAN A DECADE.. THEY HAVE ARGUED OVER THIS VERY PROBLEM >>

you talk about others getting it wrong... Angry Angry Angry


this as I have said IS EVERYONES PROBLEM>>>>

SOME PEOPLE SPEND MORE TIME PASSING THE BUCK   THAN EVER TRYING TO FIND THE ANSWER....

and yes there is an answer   like there is one to just about everything...

but the in fighting  the politics .. where a STate wont agree because the Feds are on the wrong side... it makes me sick....

ask yourself  who cares who really cares???>.

each State looks out for itself....selfish to the bone the lot of them and I dont care whos in charge.
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Reply #29 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 5:59pm
 
Labor had a plan to return water to the river agreed to by the States....Barnaby Joyce reneged on the deal and signed the death warrant for the Murray Darling....The Coalition are 100% responsible for this mess!!!

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 5:59pm:
Labor had a plan to return water to the river agreed to by the States....



Your report is dated 2016. "Updated19 November 2016 — "

"Proposed amendments to the Murray-Darling basin plan that will substitute water efficiency projects instead of buying back 605GL of water look set to survive a challenge in the Senate.

Labor has decided not to support a disallowance motion that the Greens planned to move on Tuesday after striking a deal with the government.

This means that the amendments to the southern basin water recovery targets will go forward as proposed by the Murray-Darling Basin Authority."

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/may/07/murray-darling-basin-plan...

Labor backed the Coalition Dated 2018 " Mon 7 May 2018 18.47 AEST
First published on Mon 7 May 2018 08.49 AEST"  From the Garudian so it must be true.



So I guess Labor share the blame. Wink
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Reply #31 - Jan 16th, 2019 at 8:31pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:22pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:05pm:
When climate change is making droughts more frequent and drying out the land, the impact of irrigation will only become more dangerous.



Don't you just love assertions with no attempt at quoting a peer-reviewed report.

Since when have you taken notice of peer-reviewed reports above your own opinion.
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Johnnie wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
Since when have you taken notice of peer-reviewed reports above your own opinion.



Always when they don't use climate models. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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lee wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 10:16pm:
Johnnie wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 8:31pm:
Since when have you taken notice of peer-reviewed reports above your own opinion.



Always when they don't use climate models. Grin Grin Grin Grin

Selective peer review models only.
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Johnnie wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 10:24pm:
Selective peer review models only.



Is that like selective quoting of Cook et al 2013? How did you go adding up those 64 papers out of 11,944 that said AGW was more than 50%?
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lee wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 8:18pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 5:59pm:
Labor had a plan to return water to the river agreed to by the States....


So I guess Labor share the blame. Wink


Selective quoting idiot....You omitted the context as usual you ass hole!!!

Quote:
In the leaked letter, Mr Joyce admitted the government could not honour its promise under the plan to deliver additional water to South Australia to keep the Murray flowing.


Angry Angry Angry

Quote:
Barnaby Joyce sending Murray River to 'certain slow death', says South Australia


https://www.smh.com.au/environment/barnaby-joyce-sending-murray-river-to-certain...
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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 10:40pm:
Selective quoting idiot....You omitted the context as usual you ass hole!!!



From the 2016 paper which is subsequently overturned by the 2018 paper where Labor voted with the Coalition.

The 2018 is the latest isn't it? It is now 2019 isn't it? The blame must be apportioned.

Must be hard trying to blame only one side of politics that was voted on by both sides. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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BTW - from your reference -

"The Weekly Times claims that Mr Hunter swore at Ministers, including Victoria's Water Minister Lisa Neville.

Ms Neville said in a statement that it was a robust discussion, and she didn't "shy away from standing up for Victorians and what's best for our state." "

Ms Neville Victorian Labor Water Minister.

"Mr Joyce wrote he could not foresee the other states agreeing to deliver the water without significant social and economic detriment."

"After the meeting, Mr Joyce said he wasn't reneging on the plan, but simply acting in accordance with the legislation which bans the recovery of additional water if it causes significant social and economic detriment. "

Oh dear acting according to the law. There should be a law against that.
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I have never seen such an incompetent Government (exception Abbott) who constantly blame the opposition for their own crap policies and inaction....The Coalition should just step down immediately and let the ALP Govern the country....This rabble must go???

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lee wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 10:32pm:
Johnnie wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 10:24pm:
Selective peer review models only.



Is that like selective quoting of Cook et al 2013? How did you go adding up those 64 papers out of 11,944 that said AGW was more than 50%?

Did you explain this graph yet.
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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 11:17pm:
I have never seen such an incompetent Government (exception Abbott) who constantly blame the opposition for their own crap policies and inaction..



and especially with Labor "help". Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Some people cannot even admit failure when hundreds of fish over a half century old suddenly go belly up....Some people will defend anything with ignorance???

From the article

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Without extra water, the mouth of the Murray would dry up, he said.

Mr Joyce, the acting Prime Minister, told Mr Hunter by letter on Thursday that the government couldn't fulfil his promise in October 2015 to deliver more water "in full and on time".

In the leaked letter, Mr Joyce admitted the government could not honour its promise under the plan to deliver additional water to South Australia to keep the Murray flowing

In NSW, environmentalists and graziers near the Macquarie Marshes also fear that a planned reduction of environmental flows could see the number of birds nesting fall even further.

They fear for the future if the Murray-Darling Basin Authority proceeds with a plan to reduce the amount of water flowing into the wetlands.

Professor Kingsford likens the marshes to a very ill patient who has been given just enough care to get out of the ICU.


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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 11:25pm:
Some people cannot even admit failure when hundreds of fish over a half century old suddenly go belly up....Some people will defend anything with ignorance???



yes petal. With the help of Victoria labor, and the NSW government.

""Mr Joyce wrote he could not foresee the other states agreeing to deliver the water without significant social and economic detriment."

BTW- The feds don't have a right of veto over the MD plan. That will remain the same under Labor. Wink

And those deaths happen each drought going back to 1986 at east.

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Johnnie wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 11:22pm:
Did you explain this graph yet.



Did you actually have a source for that or should I assume it is from SkepSci? The home of the 97%. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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lee wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 11:42pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 11:25pm:
Some people cannot even admit failure when hundreds of fish over a half century old suddenly go belly up....Some people will defend anything with ignorance???


And those deaths happen each drought going back to 1986 at east.



You would have to post a citation for that comment....Joyce decided to allow less water for environmental flows and diverted it to irrigation....The Coalition own this mess and are only acting now because of the catastrophe they created!!!

Quote:
In the leaked letter, Mr Joyce admitted the government could not honour its promise under the plan to deliver additional water to South Australia to keep the Murray flowing.


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The Coalition own this mess!!!

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Back in August 2018, the Productivity Commission completed a review of the $13 billion Murray-Darling Basin Plan’s governance entitled, 'Murray-Darling Basin Plan: Five-year assessment'.

The Draft Report revealed the Plan's absence of transparency, lack of oversight and direction, and that it was lagging well behind schedule and wasting taxpayer dollars

As well, serious allegations that Joyce signed off on unsecured water purchases known as “ghost water” transactions at inflated prices – which provided large irrigators, such as agribusiness big irrigator and $300 million water portfolio owner, Webster Limited, huge profits – remain unanswered
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https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/editorial-something-s...

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/15/murray-darling-fish-kill-...
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Algal blooms are a sign of a river in crisis. It wouldn't be happening this badly if the meagre flows of the river weren't being diverted to irrigation during a drought.
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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:19am:
You would have to post a citation for that comment....



You mean this?

lee wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 12:56pm:
"Twenty-one reliable reports of fish kill events are recorded for the Goulburn-Broken catchment between 1998 and 2004 (Ecos 2004) and it is recognised that many others may not have been observed or reported.  Other fish kills were also reported in the Loddon and Campaspe Rivers during January and February 2004. New South Wales records 34 fish kill reports per year (figures for 1986-1996), but it is estimated that the real number may exceed 60-80 per year (Lugg 2000). "


https://www.mdba.gov.au/sites/default/files/archived/native-fish/The-loss-of-Mur...

That's fish kill events not fishes killed.
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Well, they can certainly say they have stopped the boats now
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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:25am:
Back in August 2018, the Productivity Commission completed a review of the $13 billion Murray-Darling Basin Plan’s governance entitled, 'Murray-Darling Basin Plan: Five-year assessment'.


Yes petal and in May 2018 Labor voted with the government against the Greens.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/may/07/murray-darling-basin-plan...
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Bam wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:29am:
Algal blooms are a sign of a river in crisis. It wouldn't be happening this badly if the meagre flows of the river weren't being diverted to irrigation during a drought.


Yes how much water did their greedy mates suck out of the river during human induced droughts ? One way to destroy the ecology of a river I guess Sad
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lee wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:52am:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:25am:
Back in August 2018, the Productivity Commission completed a review of the $13 billion Murray-Darling Basin Plan’s governance entitled, 'Murray-Darling Basin Plan: Five-year assessment'.


Yes petal and in May 2018 Labor voted with the government against the Greens.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/may/07/murray-darling-basin-plan...


Yes to try and get some regulation and accountability into the system Barnaby stuffed!!!

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lee wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:48am:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:19am:
You would have to post a citation for that comment....



You mean this?

lee wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 12:56pm:
"Twenty-one reliable reports of fish kill events are recorded for the Goulburn-Broken catchment between 1998 and 2004 (Ecos 2004) and it is recognised that many others may not have been observed or reported.  Other fish kills were also reported in the Loddon and Campaspe Rivers during January and February 2004. New South Wales records 34 fish kill reports per year (figures for 1986-1996), but it is estimated that the real number may exceed 60-80 per year (Lugg 2000). "


https://www.mdba.gov.au/sites/default/files/archived/native-fish/The-loss-of-Mur...

That's fish kill events not fishes killed.


You think the bonking Barnaby would have known better than diverting water for irrigation during a drought....He is as thick as you....Coalition stuff up 100%???

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.Coalition stuff up 100%???


With labor help. Wink

1986 wasn't that Bob'awke?
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Plan...what f.......g plan? Cheesy
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oh dear wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:54pm:
lee wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:22pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:05pm:
When climate change is making droughts more frequent and drying out the land, the impact of irrigation will only become more dangerous.



Don't you just love assertions with no attempt at quoting a peer-reviewed report.


My local member Barnaby Joyce is asking for a further upgrade to increase Chaffeys dams capacity of 105 thousand megaliters after it reached %100 capacity 3 years ago to what now Joyce has been quoted as saying to deal with the threat of "climate irregularity" we are currently at level one water restrictions with the dam at %46 capacity.


Your local member is the dropkick who by looking after his big cocky mates has caused this disaster. He let them illegally pump megalitres of water and done nothing about it.
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He let them illegally pump megalitres of water and done nothing about it.



You mean it is only a recent phenomena? Wink
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macman wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
oh dear wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:54pm:
lee wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:22pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:05pm:
When climate change is making droughts more frequent and drying out the land, the impact of irrigation will only become more dangerous.



Don't you just love assertions with no attempt at quoting a peer-reviewed report.


My local member Barnaby Joyce is asking for a further upgrade to increase Chaffeys dams capacity of 105 thousand megaliters after it reached %100 capacity 3 years ago to what now Joyce has been quoted as saying to deal with the threat of "climate irregularity" we are currently at level one water restrictions with the dam at %46 capacity.


Your local member is the dropkick who by looking after his big cocky mates has caused this disaster. He let them illegally pump megalitres of water and done nothing about it.


Good point Mac!!!

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:37pm:
Good point Mac!!!


very good point.

From the phil's reference -

"Barnaby Joyce has said allegations of water theft are “overwhelmingly” an issue for New South Wales and anyone who has broken the law will be dealt with."

So those responsible for enforcing the laws are the states which grant the irrigation licences. The feds merely have an over-watch to help those states.

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macman wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
oh dear wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:54pm:
lee wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:22pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:05pm:
When climate change is making droughts more frequent and drying out the land, the impact of irrigation will only become more dangerous.



Don't you just love assertions with no attempt at quoting a peer-reviewed report.


My local member Barnaby Joyce is asking for a further upgrade to increase Chaffeys dams capacity of 105 thousand megaliters after it reached %100 capacity 3 years ago to what now Joyce has been quoted as saying to deal with the threat of "climate irregularity" we are currently at level one water restrictions with the dam at %46 capacity.


Your local member is the dropkick who by looking after his big cocky mates has caused this disaster. He let them illegally pump megalitres of water and done nothing about it.

The Coalition do not want this scandal going anywhere near any investigation.

They blocked Federal agencies from appearing before the SA Royal Commission.
They have whined that a Federal Royal Commission would be a "lawyers' picnic".
They are very firmly opposed to any retrospective powers for a Federal anti-corruption commission.

If this scandal was investigated by an anti-corruption commission or a separate Royal Commission, Joyce would be nailed so hard he could end up in prison.
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lee wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:50pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:37pm:
Good point Mac!!!


very good point.

From the phil's reference -

"Barnaby Joyce has said allegations of water theft are “overwhelmingly” an issue for New South Wales and anyone who has broken the law will be dealt with."

So those responsible for enforcing the laws are the states which grant the irrigation licences. The feds merely have an over-watch to help those states.

Thank you. Wink

Selective quoting out of context again? You should know nobody believes you anymore when you do this.
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Bam wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:54pm:
Selective quoting out of context again? You should know nobody believes you anymore when you do this.



Perhaps you want more from the reference?

"An intergovernmental war has erupted since ABC’s Four Corners program reported that billions of litres of water bought by taxpayers to return to the environment under the Murray-Darling basin plan were being allegedly pumped out by some irrigators for cotton growing in northern NSW."

"Guardian Australia has requested a response from Hanlon to the allegations but has received no comment. Both Joyce and the NSW water minister, Niall Blair, said Hanlon had self-referred to the NSW independent commission against corruption to clear up the matter.

There may be five inquiries into the allegations, given calls for investigations by the Icac, a NSW government-initiated independent inquiry, the commonwealth auditor general, a judicial inquiry and a Senate inquiry.

Joyce said the issue of water theft from the Barwon Darling system in northern NSW – a critical link in the Murray-Darling river system – was “an issue overwhelmingly for NSW”. He said once investigations were complete, the issue would be on the agenda at the next water ministers’ meeting."

"On Wednesday, the South Australian premier, Jay Weatherill, called for commonwealth oversight of all compliance over the length of the Murray-Darling river system and a federal judicial review into allegations of water theft in NSW."

That's a goody. They want Commonwealth oversight of compliance, obviously something that isn't in the legislation.


Unless Bammy you can point to the Commonwealth Legislation and where it gives the Feds policeman powers

"Such a move would radically alter the arrangements for water management in Australia. Currently state governments are responsible for making sure water licence rules are enforced across Queensland, NSW, Victoria and South Australia. "

Is that context enough for you? If you have a genuine bitch you should be able pinpoint it.

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https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/dead-fish-could-stink-up-the-election...

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Another good link -

"The commission heard evidence of how problems setting the amount of water put aside for the environment started under the Rudd government and have continued ever since. That includes the past six years of oversight by the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison government."

Six years of each Labor and the Coalition. But apparently it is only the Coalition at fault.
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We need a Federal anti corruption commission with retrospective powers and we need it now!!!

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As well, serious allegations that Joyce signed off on unsecured water purchases known as “ghost water” transactions at inflated prices – which provided large irrigators, such as agribusiness big irrigator and $300 million water portfolio owner, Webster Limited, huge profits – remain unanswered.

The price of the sale was not mentioned in the media release, but the ABC reported that Tandou stated that it would receive $78 million from the transaction. That would be used by Tandou (Webster Limited) to retire debt.

The ABC interviewed Tom Rooney, one of the founding directors of the water broking firm Waterfind Australia, based in Adelaide. He was asked for his assessment of the price paid and whether the deal was a good one for Webster Ltd. Rooney described the deal as a “fantastic deal” for Webster. The reason for that was that the purchase price paid by the Commonwealth was, roughly, $3,500 per megalitre, whereas the running average price of water in the Lower Darling traded on the water market over recent years was $140 per megalitre.


WTF???

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We need a Federal anti corruption commission with retrospective powers and we need it now!!!



yep all the way back to those fish kills in 1986, under bob'awke..
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Yes it is libs fault. If they were competent they would have done something in 6 years then.  Issue is water theft and water envy - seeing all the water being pumped back into the environment, the coalition were crying foul, greeny loonies, etc.
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If they were competent they would have done something in 6 years then.


That would have to get through the Senate.

Now it is pretty certain SA senators would be in favour as they are last in the river food chain.

It is much less clear what Qld, NSW or Vic Senators would do.  The Vic State Minister has said they would do whatever was necessary to make sure they were not adversely impacted.
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We need a Federal anti corruption commission with retrospective powers and we need it now!!!

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As well, serious allegations that Joyce signed off on unsecured water purchases known as “ghost water” transactions at inflated prices – which provided large irrigators, such as agribusiness big irrigator and $300 million water portfolio owner, Webster Limited, huge profits – remain unanswered.

The price of the sale was not mentioned in the media release, but the ABC reported that Tandou stated that it would receive $78 million from the transaction. That would be used by Tandou (Webster Limited) to retire debt.

The ABC interviewed Tom Rooney, one of the founding directors of the water broking firm Waterfind Australia, based in Adelaide. He was asked for his assessment of the price paid and whether the deal was a good one for Webster Ltd. Rooney described the deal as a “fantastic deal” for Webster. The reason for that was that the purchase price paid by the Commonwealth was, roughly, $3,500 per megalitre, whereas the running average price of water in the Lower Darling traded on the water market over recent years was $140 per megalitre.


WTF???

Angry Angry Angry

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/editorial-something-s...


Gee Phil, we need a Federal/Royal Commission into 'everything' in this country!
All these people getting rich above and beyond the honest British way.
This country is going to go environmentally down the gurgler - but a lot of people are going to get rich from pulling the plug out.
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Reply #69 - Jan 18th, 2019 at 8:31am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:51pm:
We need a Federal anti corruption commission with retrospective powers and we need it now!!!

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As well, serious allegations that Joyce signed off on unsecured water purchases known as “ghost water” transactions at inflated prices – which provided large irrigators, such as agribusiness big irrigator and $300 million water portfolio owner, Webster Limited, huge profits – remain unanswered.

The price of the sale was not mentioned in the media release, but the ABC reported that Tandou stated that it would receive $78 million from the transaction. That would be used by Tandou (Webster Limited) to retire debt.

The ABC interviewed Tom Rooney, one of the founding directors of the water broking firm Waterfind Australia, based in Adelaide. He was asked for his assessment of the price paid and whether the deal was a good one for Webster Ltd. Rooney described the deal as a “fantastic deal” for Webster. The reason for that was that the purchase price paid by the Commonwealth was, roughly, $3,500 per megalitre, whereas the running average price of water in the Lower Darling traded on the water market over recent years was $140 per megalitre.


WTF???

Angry Angry Angry

https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/editorial-something-s...

Agree, this here is the smoking gun of corruption.
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Reply #70 - Jan 18th, 2019 at 9:51am
 
lee wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:50pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:37pm:
Good point Mac!!!


very good point.

From the phil's reference -

"Barnaby Joyce has said allegations of water theft are “overwhelmingly” an issue for New South Wales and anyone who has broken the law will be dealt with."

So those responsible for enforcing the laws are the states which grant the irrigation licences. The feds merely have an over-watch to help those states.

Thank you. Wink


The state of NSW has a ...wait for it... COALITION GOVERNMENT who will cover up whatever barnaby tells them too. Not a federal matter yes but liberal corruption doesn't take a lot of notice of boundaries.
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The state of NSW has a ...wait for it... COALITION GOVERNMENT who will cover up whatever barnaby tells them too.


And GUESS what... NSW has had Labor governments as well as Coalition Governments.
Is Griffith on the Murray River? Remember the Don Mackay killing? Remember Al Grassby links to Griffith? Large property holdings, irrigation.

Are you suggesting this rorting is a new phenomenon? Do you have proof?
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lee wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 10:34am:
macman wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 9:51am:
The state of NSW has a ...wait for it... COALITION GOVERNMENT who will cover up whatever barnaby tells them too.


And GUESS what... NSW has had Labor governments as well as Coalition Governments.
Is Griffith on the Murray River? Remember the Don Mackay killing? Remember Al Grassby links to Griffith? Large property holdings, irrigation.

Are you suggesting this rorting is a new phenomenon? Do you have proof?


If you have proof of Labor rorting the Murray Darling water scheme then please post it....There has been enough posted about Barnaby's corruption to make a comment instead of deflecting and being ignorant???

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 10:59am:
If you have proof of Labor rorting the Murray Darling water scheme then please post it..



Oh dear struck a nerve did I? Another who believes these things only happen under the Coalition. Remember NSW ICAC?

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 10:59am:
There has been enough posted about Barnaby's corruption to make a comment instead of deflecting and being ignorant???


Yes. You must tell us how a fed who has no policing or granting powers can approve/hide a rort of the water system. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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lee wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 11:23am:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 10:59am:
If you have proof of Labor rorting the Murray Darling water scheme then please post it..



Oh dear struck a nerve did I? Another who believes these things only happen under the Coalition. Remember NSW ICAC?

Deflection alert....Nothing to do with the topic???


philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 10:59am:
There has been enough posted about Barnaby's corruption to make a comment instead of deflecting and being ignorant???


Yes. You must tell us how a fed who has no policing or granting powers can approve/hide a rort of the water system. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Already done....Now please post were Labor acted corruptly over the Murray Darling scheme???

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As well, serious allegations that Joyce signed off on unsecured water purchases known as “ghost water” transactions at inflated prices – which provided large irrigators, such as agribusiness big irrigator and $300 million water portfolio owner, Webster Limited, huge profits – remain unanswered.

The price of the sale was not mentioned in the media release, but the ABC reported that Tandou stated that it would receive $78 million from the transaction. That would be used by Tandou (Webster Limited) to retire debt.

The ABC interviewed Tom Rooney, one of the founding directors of the water broking firm Waterfind Australia, based in Adelaide. He was asked for his assessment of the price paid and whether the deal was a good one for Webster Ltd. Rooney described the deal as a “fantastic deal” for Webster. The reason for that was that the purchase price paid by the Commonwealth was, roughly, $3,500 per megalitre, whereas the running average price of water in the Lower Darling traded on the water market over recent years was $140 per megalitre.


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Makes no sense labor to rort it.  Water usage mostly nationals, so only one to gain are the coalition in corrupt business.
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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 12:30pm:
Already done....Now please post were Labor acted corruptly over the Murray Darling scheme???



Where exactly did I say they did? Wink

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 12:30pm:
As well, serious allegations that Joyce signed off on unsecured water purchases known as “ghost water” transactions at inflated prices – which provided large irrigators, such as agribusiness big irrigator and $300 million water portfolio owner, Webster Limited, huge profits – remain unanswered.



Ah yes allegations. No need for proof. Grin Grin Grin

From you reference -

" It prompted a sharp dressing down and request from the Department of Agriculture that we remove the article on the grounds it was 'inaccurate'. Since the Department did not provide any information about any of these purported inaccuracies, even after repeated requests, we did not take down Mark's meticulously researched article. "

Amazing how apparently independent departments kowtow to the Coalition but never to Labor. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Makes no sense labor to rort it.  Water usage mostly nationals, so only one to gain are the coalition in corrupt business.



So no Chinese ownership then? Wink
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stunspore wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 12:34pm:
Makes no sense labor to rort it.  Water usage mostly nationals, so only one to gain are the coalition in corrupt business.



So no Chinese ownership then? Wink


Is there?  And to own, they had to buy it off a coalition voter/farmer. ?
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And to own, they had to buy it off a coalition voter/farmer.



They did? Is that an assumption based on most voters being coalition farmers?
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stunspore wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 1:40pm:
And to own, they had to buy it off a coalition voter/farmer.



They did? Is that an assumption based on most voters being coalition farmers?


Isn't it most farmers?  Though ALP continually fund rural areas despite never gaining votes.
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Isn't it most farmers?


Most farmers is. That does not mean all farmers is. So maybe a Labor voting farmer sold his dirt. Wink

stunspore wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 3:15pm:
Though ALP continually fund rural areas despite never gaining votes.



Yeah. Gotta keep those who produce the food happy; unless you want to nationalise the farming sector. Grin Grin Grin

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 12:30pm:
Already done....Now please post were Labor acted corruptly over the Murray Darling scheme???



Where exactly did I say they did? Wink

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 12:30pm:
As well, serious allegations that Joyce signed off on unsecured water purchases known as “ghost water” transactions at inflated prices – which provided large irrigators, such as agribusiness big irrigator and $300 million water portfolio owner, Webster Limited, huge profits – remain unanswered.

The price of the sale was not mentioned in the media release, but the ABC reported that Tandou stated that it would receive $78 million from the transaction. That would be used by Tandou (Webster Limited) to retire debt.

The ABC interviewed Tom Rooney, one of the founding directors of the water broking firm Waterfind Australia, based in Adelaide. He was asked for his assessment of the price paid and whether the deal was a good one for Webster Ltd. Rooney described the deal as a “fantastic deal” for Webster. The reason for that was that the purchase price paid by the Commonwealth was, roughly, $3,500 per megalitre, whereas the running average price of water in the Lower Darling traded on the water market over recent years was $140 per megalitre.



Ah yes allegations. No need for proof.

Yet you deleted the text that highlighted the corruption you deceitful prick???


From you reference -

" It prompted a sharp dressing down and request from the Department of Agriculture that we remove the article on the grounds it was 'inaccurate'. Since the Department did not provide any information about any of these purported inaccuracies, even after repeated requests, we did not take down Mark's meticulously researched article. "


From the same article.... Grin Grin Grin

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Back in August 2018, the Productivity Commission completed a review of the $13 billion Murray-Darling Basin Plan’s governance entitled, 'Murray-Darling Basin Plan: Five-year assessment'.

The Draft Report revealed the Plan's absence of transparency, lack of oversight and direction, and that it was lagging well behind schedule and wasting taxpayer dollars

the NSW Government had "legally embodied" increased access to water and "unsustainable irrigation practices", describing its attitude to the Basin Plan as "openly hostile".'


The 5 year assessment from the Productivity Commission is damning for the Coalition....This is the period the Coalition took over management of the scheme and totally stuffed it....Now spin that you dickhead!!!

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Here in WA Labor are busy pulling funding from country schooling. Way to go.


Never heard of that....Do you have a link as your word is not worth crap???

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 6:08pm:
Never heard of that..



Of course you wouldn't have phil. Never heard of Moora College? Saved by the Feds.

But plenty of money for an inner city CBD high rise school where no need was identified.

Then plenty of money for the new school in Subiaco to replace Perth Mod where no need was identified for it to be replaced; other than selling of the land for inner city living. But still a new school for Subiaco despite Perth Mod remaining in the mix.

Always about the city isn't it phil? Just send country kids to the city for schooling. ALL country parents can afford that.


https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/cut-our-education--cut-our...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-27/perth-high-rise-school-parents-reject-lab...

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Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 10:50am:
how much tax payers money went into 'water management' ? What sort of management did we actually get ?

At least the managment style was water related - P1ss weak.
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lee wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 6:55pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 6:08pm:
Never heard of that..



Of course you wouldn't have phil. Never heard of Moora College? Saved by the Feds.

But plenty of money for an inner city CBD high rise school where no need was identified.

Then plenty of money for the new school in Subiaco to replace Perth Mod where no need was identified for it to be replaced; other than selling of the land for inner city living. But still a new school for Subiaco despite Perth Mod remaining in the mix.

Always about the city isn't it phil? Just send country kids to the city for schooling. ALL country parents can afford that.


https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/cut-our-education--cut-our...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-27/perth-high-rise-school-parents-reject-lab...



An election commitment and no corruption....How does this justify the mismanagement of the Murray Darling scheme by Joyce and the Coalition....It doesn't does it....More defelection and denial from the resident dickhead???

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Reply #88 - Jan 19th, 2019 at 7:19am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 6:04pm:
lee wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 1:23pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 12:30pm:
Already done....Now please post were Labor acted corruptly over the Murray Darling scheme???



Where exactly did I say they did? Wink

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 12:30pm:
As well, serious allegations that Joyce signed off on unsecured water purchases known as “ghost water” transactions at inflated prices – which provided large irrigators, such as agribusiness big irrigator and $300 million water portfolio owner, Webster Limited, huge profits – remain unanswered.

The price of the sale was not mentioned in the media release, but the ABC reported that Tandou stated that it would receive $78 million from the transaction. That would be used by Tandou (Webster Limited) to retire debt.

The ABC interviewed Tom Rooney, one of the founding directors of the water broking firm Waterfind Australia, based in Adelaide. He was asked for his assessment of the price paid and whether the deal was a good one for Webster Ltd. Rooney described the deal as a “fantastic deal” for Webster. The reason for that was that the purchase price paid by the Commonwealth was, roughly, $3,500 per megalitre, whereas the running average price of water in the Lower Darling traded on the water market over recent years was $140 per megalitre.



Ah yes allegations. No need for proof.

Yet you deleted the text that highlighted the corruption you deceitful prick???


From you reference -

" It prompted a sharp dressing down and request from the Department of Agriculture that we remove the article on the grounds it was 'inaccurate'. Since the Department did not provide any information about any of these purported inaccuracies, even after repeated requests, we did not take down Mark's meticulously researched article. "


From the same article.... Grin Grin Grin

Quote:
Back in August 2018, the Productivity Commission completed a review of the $13 billion Murray-Darling Basin Plan’s governance entitled, 'Murray-Darling Basin Plan: Five-year assessment'.

The Draft Report revealed the Plan's absence of transparency, lack of oversight and direction, and that it was lagging well behind schedule and wasting taxpayer dollars

the NSW Government had "legally embodied" increased access to water and "unsustainable irrigation practices", describing its attitude to the Basin Plan as "openly hostile".'


The 5 year assessment from the Productivity Commission is damning for the Coalition....This is the period the Coalition took over management of the scheme and totally stuffed it....Now spin that you dickhead!!!

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2019 at 7:18am:
An election commitment and no corruption.



There was no commitment prior to the election that Moora Residential College would close. The same as there was no commitment prior to the election to that they had the intent to close School of the Air.

The School of the Air was subsequently overturned on the back of opposition from both rural and city people.

And where did I say there was corruption? What I said "Here in WA Labor are busy pulling funding from country schooling".

But let's look at what the ABC had to say -

"Mr Wyatt told Parliament this month the Government was willing to increase its net debt to ensure Metronet got off the ground.

But regional residents who have seen their services cut have found the Government's justifications for its big spending decisions hard to swallow.

In Moora, where mounting state debt has been cited by the Government as the reason for the closure of the town's residential college, shire Deputy President Louise House said it was a silly and unfair state of affairs."

So they were quite prepared to go deeper into debt, despite lambasting the Barnett Government, but wanted to cut services to the country. As I said Way to go.

A city-centric government.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2019 at 7:18am:
How does this justify the mismanagement of the Murray Darling scheme by Joyce and the Coalition.



With the help of Labor. And suddenly it has gone from corruption to mismanagement.

No where have you shown it was corruption. Poor phil. Can't even keep his story on track. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2019 at 7:19am:
Back in August 2018, the Productivity Commission completed a review of the $13 billion Murray-Darling Basin Plan’s governance entitled, 'Murray-Darling Basin Plan: Five-year assessment'.



Yes. The Plan came into effect November 2012. This is the first review. So it is a review from 2012.

I hope that makes it clear for you. Wink
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lee wrote on Jan 19th, 2019 at 10:51am:
Now where have you shown it was corruption. Poor phil. Can't even keep his story on track



Quote:
Back in August 2018, the Productivity Commission completed a review of the $13 billion Murray-Darling Basin Plan’s governance entitled, 'Murray-Darling Basin Plan: Five-year assessment'.

The Draft Report revealed the Plan's absence of transparency, lack of oversight and direction, and that it was lagging well behind schedule and wasting taxpayer dollars

the NSW Government had "legally embodied" increased access to water and "unsustainable irrigation practices", describing its attitude to the Basin Plan as "openly hostile".'


Quote:
The ABC interviewed Tom Rooney, one of the founding directors of the water broking firm Waterfind Australia, based in Adelaide. He was asked for his assessment of the price paid and whether the deal was a good one for Webster Ltd. Rooney described the deal as a “fantastic deal” for Webster. The reason for that was that the purchase price paid by the Commonwealth was, roughly, $3,500 per megalitre, whereas the running average price of water in the Lower Darling traded on the water market over recent years was $140 per megalitre.


Corruption 101....Paying Webster Ltd $3,500 per megalitre when water traded on the market for $140 per megalitre....Farmers not putting meters on their pumps to monitor the amount of water they are using despite a requirement to do so....The Nationals diverting water for the environment to irrigation causing 70 year old Murray River Cod to die on mass despite surviving many droughts in the past....The Coalition are in charge of compliance and have failed miserably.... own this mess dickhead!!!

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Corruption 101



Assumption 102 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grinphilperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2019 at 11:14am:
The Nationals diverting water for the environment to irrigation causing 70 year old Murray River Cod to die on mass despite surviving many droughts in the past....



Yes and of course other Murray River Cod did not survive other droughts in the past. Remember fish kills back to at least 1986. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Tell us who was in Government in November 2012 phil. Wink
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lee wrote on Jan 19th, 2019 at 10:59am:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2019 at 7:19am:
Back in August 2018, the Productivity Commission completed a review of the $13 billion Murray-Darling Basin Plan’s governance entitled, 'Murray-Darling Basin Plan: Five-year assessment'.



Yes. The Plan came into effect November 2012. This is the first review. So it is a review from 2012.

I hope that makes it clear for you. Wink


From 2013 to 2018 the Coalition were in charge dickhead....The Coalition are the ones who diverted water needed for the environment no one else....Barney purchased (with taxpayers money) water at over 10x the market value from his National supporting mates with no tender or due process???

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2019 at 11:14am:
Corruption 101



Assumption 102 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grinphilperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2019 at 11:14am:
The Nationals diverting water for the environment to irrigation causing 70 year old Murray River Cod to die on mass despite surviving many droughts in the past....



Yes and of course other Murray River Cod did not survive other droughts in the past. Remember fish kills back to at least 1986. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Tell us who was in Government in November 2012 phil. Wink


So you believe Labor are at fault despite the Coalition being the party who diverted water from the river needed for the environment....You are a dickhead mate!!!

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Reply #95 - Jan 19th, 2019 at 11:39am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2019 at 11:20am:
So you believe Labor are at fault despite the Coalition being the party who diverted water from the river needed for the environment..



No merely pointing out that some could have been under Labor's (alone) watch. Something that you just don't want to consider.

So why the backtrack? Why have you resiled from corruption to mismanagement? No proof?

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The Coalition are the ones who diverted water needed for the environment no one else....Barney purchased (with taxpayers money) water at over 10x the market value from his National supporting mates with no tender or due process???


So they both gave the water away, even though that is a state responsibility, and bought it back at over the odds? And the drought and fish kills happened after the event? Roll Eyes
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Reply #96 - Jan 19th, 2019 at 11:41am
 
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From 2013 to 2018 the Coalition were in charge dickhead..



Yes petal and who was in charge in 2012 when it came into effect?
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Reply #97 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 10:34am
 
lee wrote on Jan 19th, 2019 at 11:41am:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19th, 2019 at 11:19am:
From 2013 to 2018 the Coalition were in charge dickhead..



Yes petal and who was in charge in 2012 when it came into effect?




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Back in August 2018, the Productivity Commission completed a review of the $13 billion Murray-Darling Basin Plan’s governance entitled, 'Murray-Darling Basin Plan: Five-year assessment'.

The Draft Report revealed the Plan's absence of transparency, lack of oversight and direction, and that it was lagging well behind schedule and wasting taxpayer dollars

the NSW Government had "legally embodied" increased access to water and "unsustainable irrigation practices", describing its attitude to the Basin Plan as "openly hostile".


5 year review....2013 to 2018 is 5 years dickhead....The Productivity Commission reviewed the Murray-Darling Basin Plan whilst the Coalition were in charge dickhead....They found an absence of transparency, lack of oversight and direction, that it was lagging well behind schedule and wasting taxpayer dollars

The NSW Government (Coalition) had "legally embodied" increased access to water and "unsustainable irrigation practices", describing its attitude to the Basin Plan as "openly hostile".

Very damning for the Coalition who were in charge of administering the Murray-Darling Basin Plan between 2013 and 2018 and have failed on every level....This rabble must go!!!

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Reply #98 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 10:44am
 
I think the country particularly NSW has been in a state of Drought for a looooog time.......

in times of need   surely we are obliged to use the water that was sent by dear old mother nature in the first place and cost us nothing....

we have taken these natural  gifts for granted since forever.....

but the water in our rivers comes from the heavens it doesnt belong to just anyone or any State...

......and yes I agree when its a drought and we have animals suffering  yes we need to divert it.... Angry Angry Angry


because suffering isnt what aussies are about..
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Reply #99 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 11:23am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 10:34am:
5 year review....2013 to 2018 is 5 years dickhead..



Poor phil.

The plan was legislated in November 2012, with a 5 year review period. That would mean the review would cover the 5 years from, at the earliest, November 2012 to October 2017. There has only been time for ONE review. So the review covered from the time of the legislation. Unless you think the legislation gave them a grace period. Wink

The authorisation for the review was received by the Productivity Commission on 7 March 2018.

https://www.pc.gov.au/inquiries/completed/basin-plan/issues/basin-plan-issues.pd...

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Since 2013 the Coalition have been in charge of miss - managing the Murray Darling basin plan....The following is what the Productivity Commission found of the Coalitions miss - management of the scheme....

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Back in August 2018, the Productivity Commission completed a review of the $13 billion Murray-Darling Basin Plan’s governance entitled, 'Murray-Darling Basin Plan: Five-year assessment'.

The Draft Report revealed the Plan's absence of transparency, lack of oversight and direction, and that it was lagging well behind schedule and wasting taxpayer dollars

the NSW Government (Coalition) had "legally embodied" increased access to water and "unsustainable irrigation practices", describing its attitude to the Basin Plan as "openly hostile".


This rabble must go!!!

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Reply #101 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 12:51pm
 
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Since 2013 the Coalition have been in charge of miss - managing the Murray Darling basin plan...



And before that Labor? Wink
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Reply #102 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 12:53pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 11:23am:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 10:34am:
5 year review....2013 to 2018 is 5 years dickhead..



Poor phil.

The plan was legislated in November 2012, with a 5 year review period. That would mean the review would cover the 5 years from, at the earliest, November 2012 to October 2017. There has only been time for ONE review. So the review covered from the time of the legislation. Unless you think the legislation gave them a grace period. Wink

The authorisation for the review was received by the Productivity Commission on 7 March 2018.

https://www.pc.gov.au/inquiries/completed/basin-plan/issues/basin-plan-issues.pd...

Annex A.



The Coalition were in charge of the scheme during this period....The Coalition have failed to deliver on the plan through an absence of transparency, lack of oversight and direction, and that it was lagging well behind schedule and wasting taxpayer dollars....the NSW Government (Coalition) had "legally embodied" increased access to water and "unsustainable irrigation practices", describing its attitude to the Basin Plan as "openly hostile"....It is the Coalition (Barnaby Joyce) who failed to deliver the environmental flows and paid over inflated prices for water that does not exist after rejecting department advice....This rabble must go???

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Reply #103 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 12:58pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 12:53pm:
The Coalition were in charge of the scheme during this period...


The Coalition was in charge from LATE 2013.

"Between 2012 and June this year, more than 74 billion litres of environmental water has flowed into the Barwon-Darling system — including when the controversial 2012 extraction rules allowed irrigators to pump it."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-24/murray-darling-basin-water-pumped-by-irri...

So if the feds are to blame since 2013 then Labor was to blame from 2012. Wink
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Reply #104 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 1:06pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 12:58pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 12:53pm:
The Coalition were in charge of the scheme during this period...



"Between 2012 and June this year, more than 74 billion litres of environmental water has flowed into the Barwon-Darling system — including when the controversial 2012 extraction rules allowed irrigators to pump it."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-24/murray-darling-basin-water-pumped-by-irri...

So if the feds are to blame since 2013 then Labor was to blame from November 2012. Wink


Labor did not cut environmental flows to the river or pay over inflated prices for ghost water that does not exist....Just claiming Labor were in charge for the first year of the scheme does not account for the actual reasons the scheme has fallen apart....Perhaps you can point to the changes Labor made that failed to deliver....The Coalition failed to deliver the water it promised....Barnaby Joyce diverted environmental flows to irrigation that has had adverse effects on the river flow....Barnaby Joyce paid over inflated prices for water that does not exist....The NSW Government (Coalition) were found to be "openly hostile" to the basin plan!!!

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Reply #105 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 1:10pm
 
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Labor did not cut environmental flows to the river or pay over inflated prices for ghost water that does not exist..



They just enabled the irrigators to withdraw more water.

Their legislation. Their fault.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 1:06pm:
Just claiming Labor were in charge for the first year of the scheme does not account for the actual reasons the scheme has fallen apart...


Even if they were unintended consequences it was their legislation. They own it.
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Reply #106 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 1:20pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 1:10pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 1:06pm:
Labor did not cut environmental flows to the river or pay over inflated prices for ghost water that does not exist..



They just enabled the irrigators to withdraw more water.

Their legislation. Their fault.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 1:06pm:
Just claiming Labor were in charge for the first year of the scheme does not account for the actual reasons the scheme has fallen apart...


Even if they were unintended consequences it was their legislation. They own it.


You are a dickhead mate....Your denial is pathetic!!!

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He admits the National Party took responsibility for water from the environment portfolio and into his agriculture portfolio to “look after” farmers.

“We’ve taken water and put it back into agriculture so we can look after you and make sure we don’t have the greenies running the show basically sending you out the back door.

“That was a hard ask but we did it.”

Responsibility for water was handed to the Nationals as part of the party’s coalition agreement with the Liberal Party in 2015.


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Reply #107 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 1:26pm
 
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Responsibility for water was handed to the Nationals as part of the party’s coalition agreement with the Liberal Party in 2015.



Yes petal. After 2015.

Why don't you want to look at the period November 2012 and September 2013?

Of course that is what the 5 year review is about. Looking at the actual consequences. Seeing what can be done to improve it.

But you just don't want any responsibility reflected onto the Labor.

You are a true Labor Warrior.

But please point me to where I have denied anything.
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The Coalition own this mess

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All that has to be settled: NSW, Federal or both? The evidence strongly points to the latter.

To find out, we'll probably have to wait for the second half of 2019 when Prime Minister Shorten announces a Royal Commission to investigate the matter.
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Reply #109 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 1:50pm
 
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All that has to be settled: NSW, Federal or both? The evidence strongly points to the latter.



And Labor didn't enable the legislation on 2012? So no fault can be attributed to them? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 1:26pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 1:20pm:
He admits
the National Party took responsibility for water from the environment portfolio and into his agriculture portfolio to “look after” farmers.


“We’ve taken water and put it back into agriculture
so we can look after you and make sure we don’t have the greenies running the show basically sending you out the back door.

“That was a hard ask but we did it.”

Responsibility for water was handed to the Nationals as part of the party’s coalition agreement with the Liberal Party in 2015.



Yes petal. After 2015.

Why don't you want to look at the period November 2012 and September 2013?

Of course that is what the 5 year review is about. Looking at the actual consequences. Seeing what can be done to improve it.

But you just don't want any responsibility reflected onto the Labor.

You are a true Labor Warrior.

But please point me to where I have denied anything.


I note you deleted the admission from Joyce he rorted the scheme to assist farmers over the environment....What water did Labor divert from environmental flows....What water buy backs did Labor initiate and pay well over inflated prices....Which party took responsibility for water from the environment portfolio and into the agriculture portfolio to “look after” farmers....Which party was criticised by the productivity commission for "unsustainable irrigation practices", describing its attitude to the Basin Plan as "openly hostile"???

The answer to all these questions is the Coalition....Now what did Labor do that contributed to this mess???

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Reply #111 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 3:24pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 1:50pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 1:47pm:
All that has to be settled: NSW, Federal or both? The evidence strongly points to the latter.



And Labor didn't enable the legislation on 2012? So no fault can be attributed to them? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Maybe you can point out what Labor has done to contribute to this mess???

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Reply #112 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 3:50pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 11:14am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 8:56am:
Of course humans could never be responsible for any of this !!



So you can tell us that we are having droughts more frequently? Give us the data.


There's no point in providing you with any data because you will attempt to refute it by quoting from one of your google searches Sad

The bigger question for you is how much did greed incorporated suck out of these rivers to leave them in such a dyer state ?
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Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 3:50pm:
There's no point in providing you with any data because you will attempt to refute it by quoting from one of your google searches



So no data then. merely assertions. Why am I not surprised?

Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 3:50pm:
The bigger question for you is how much did greed incorporated suck out of these rivers to leave them in such a dyer state ?


Yes. On the back of faulty logic and faulty legislation.
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Maybe you can point out what Labor has done to contribute to this mess???



phil. Even you aren't that thick. The legislation is from 2012. Labor in power.

"Between 2012 and June this year, more than 74 billion litres of environmental water has flowed into the Barwon-Darling system — including when the controversial 2012 extraction rules allowed irrigators to pump it."

The 2012 legislation, Labor's legislation, allowed irrigators to pump the water. Do you see a link yet?
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I note you deleted the admission from Joyce he rorted the scheme to assist farmers over the environment...



poor phil. I have no mod rights. I haven't deleted anything.

yes phil that was in 2015. We agreed that. What happened from November 2012 to September 2013, when Labor lost government, is on Labor.

Do you get it yet? Neither party is in the right.
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lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 1:50pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 1:47pm:
All that has to be settled: NSW, Federal or both? The evidence strongly points to the latter.



And Labor didn't enable the legislation on 2012? So no fault can be attributed to them?

Is the pea under your mattress bothering you again? No wonder you keep making puerile attempts at deflecting.
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Reply #117 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 7:36pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 3:24pm:
lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 1:50pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 1:47pm:
All that has to be settled: NSW, Federal or both? The evidence strongly points to the latter.



And Labor didn't enable the legislation on 2012? So no fault can be attributed to them? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Maybe you can point out what Labor has done to contribute to this mess???

Huh Huh Huh

He's just trolling again. Deflecting because he simply cannot hack the fact that his beloved Liberal-National Federal government have on their benches the most corrupt MP this country has had since Bjelke-Petersen was Premier of Queensland: Barnaby Joyce.

Once Labor gets in, Joyce's time as an MP are numbered. He's going to have his own Section 44 issues: the part that an MP is ineligible to sit in Parliament if they are convicted of an offence with a jail term of 12 months or longer.

Abuse of power as Water Minister. Conflict of interest over inland rail. His links to Rinehart and that $40,000 cheque. His windfall profits from gas exploration. This maggot is as crooked an MP as the Federal Parliament has had for decades and by the time this is finished he's going to spend time in jail for corruption.

REMEMBER: It's not for no reason that the Coalition do not want retrospective powers for a Federal anti-corruption commission. What else are they hiding?
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lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 5:09pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 3:21pm:
I note you deleted the admission from Joyce he rorted the scheme to assist farmers over the environment...



poor phil. I have no mod rights. I haven't deleted anything.

yes phil that was in 2015. We agreed that. What happened from November 2012 to September 2013, when Labor lost government, is on Labor.

Do you get it yet? Neither party is in the right.


You know I meant deleted the context of my quote from your reply you deceitful prick (the part that exposed Barnaby Joyce as an environmental vandal)....Labor did not divert environmental flows into irrigation and reduce the flows required to maintain the basin you thick bastard that was Barnaby Joyce....Labor did not buy water for vastly inflated prices against department advice that was Barnaby Joyce....Labor have not been in charge of the scheme for over 5 years after Labor were in power for 1 year....How do you appropriate equal blame to both parties when only the Coalition have been in charge and changed the original scheme from what Labor originally proposed....The Coalition have done nothing but undermine the scheme and neglect the environment....Barnaby admitted he diverted water to farmers instead of the environment....The Coalition are 100% responsible for what happens when they are in Government....Equal blame....Yeah right you dickhead!!!

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poor phil. I have no mod rights. I haven't deleted anything.

Straw man argument to cover up a lie. Why do you tell lies, eelboy?
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Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 8:28pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 8:04pm:
poor phil. I have no mod rights. I haven't deleted anything.

Straw man argument to cover up a lie. Why do you tell lies, eelboy?


Because he cannot defend the actions of Barnaby Joyce so he ignores the facts and makes claims with nothing to support his bullshit....The dickhead has not produced any evidence Labor rorted the Murray Darling scheme yet claims both parties are equally responsible....Why have a Coalition Government if Labor are responsible for Barnaby Joyce's mistakes???

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Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 7:27pm:
Is the pea under your mattress bothering you again?



The pea is yours princess. Wink
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Bam wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 7:36pm:
He's just trolling again. Deflecting because he simply cannot hack the fact that his beloved Liberal-National Federal government have on their benches the most corrupt MP this country has had since Bjelke-Petersen was Premier of Queensland: Barnaby Joyce.



Poor bammy can't countenance the fact that Labor's legislation was deficient. Grin Grin Grin Grin

Didn't you see this -

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 8:04pm:
You know I meant deleted the context of my quote from your reply you deceitful prick (the part that exposed Barnaby Joyce as an environmental vandal)....Labor did not divert environmental flows into irrigation and reduce the flows required to maintain the basin you thick bastard that was Barnaby Joyce....Labor did not buy water for vastly inflated prices against department advice that was Barnaby Joyce....Labor have not been in charge of the scheme for over 5 years after Labor were in power for 1 year...



Good heavens. phil FINALLY admits it - they were in charge for one year. That one year was when the deficient legislation was passed. But it wasn't their fault the legislation was deficient. It was because ... oh yeah the coalition. Grin Grin Grin Grin

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Straw man argument to cover up a lie. Why do you tell lies, eelboy?



What was the lie Bammy? That I don't have mod rights? That I can't delete posts?

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Because he cannot defend the actions of Barnaby Joyce so he ignores the facts and makes claims with nothing to support his bullshit.



Lets see -
1. Barnaby Joyce.
lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 5:09pm:
Do you get it yet? Neither party is in the right.


A tacit admission the Nats were wrong.

2. Labor enabled the legislation? The legislation that was faulty? The legislation that allowed irrigators to remove water from the system? But no blame should be laid at Labor's door? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
The dickhead has not produced any evidence Labor rorted the Murray Darling scheme yet claims both parties are equally responsible....



Please point to where I said they were "equally responsible".

You really ought to learn to comprehend the written word instead of making sch!t up.

To make it easy for you -
"CONTROL F" Text "equally".

3 instances. The first is yours.
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Reply #126 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 11:04pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 10:33pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
Because he cannot defend the actions of Barnaby Joyce so he ignores the facts and makes claims with nothing to support his bullshit.



Lets see -
1. Barnaby Joyce.
lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 5:09pm:
Do you get it yet? Neither party is in the right.


A tacit admission the Nats were wrong.

2. Labor enabled the legislation? The legislation that was faulty? The legislation that allowed irrigators to remove water from the system? But no blame should be laid at Labor's door?

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 8:38pm:
The dickhead has not produced any evidence Labor rorted the Murray Darling scheme yet claims both parties are equally responsible....


Please point to where I said they were "equally responsible"

You realy ought to learn to comprehend the written word instead of making sch!t up.


So you admit the blame is not equally appropriated and the Coalition have rorted the system....You are correct that Labor allowed irrigators to remove water from the Murray Darling when they approved the scheme and have not been as pro active as they should have....However the Coalition diverted water agreed upon in the original scheme from environmental flows....The Coalition purchased water at vastly inflated prices from their big business mates....The Coalition drained the wet lands twice during their administration for irrigation....The original scheme was rorted by the Coalition and bears no resemblance to the scheme Labor introduced....The Coalition own this mess mate!!!

1. Barnaby Joyce - Purchased water at vastly inflated prices against department advice....Admitted taking water needed for the environment and putting it into the agriculture portfolio....Failed to implement the basic requirement to have irrigators place meters on their pumps to monitor how much water they extract (rorting the system) and failed to respond to these concerns???

https://www.farmonline.com.au/story/4809215/nsws-irrigation-rules-spark-outcry/

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Barnaby Joyce's department paid 'tens of millions' too much for water


https://www.smh.com.au/environment/sustainability/barnaby-joyce-s-department-pai...

2. Labor allowed irrigators too take water from the system because it is the only source of water they have available....Would you prefer they allowed no water to be used by irrigators....It was the Coalition who allowed irrigators to convert B and C class licences to A class – permitting them to extract river water with large, 24 inch pumps during low flows (Low flow pumping had previously restricted to 6 inch pumps)....It was the Coalition who allowed water needed for environmental flows to be pumped out of the system by irrigators....It is the Coalitions fault environmental flows have been cut???

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Laws to allow the sale have been in place for more than six years but were never used as the federal government under Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard used taxpayer funds to buy private water rights in the name of improving environmental flows.


Barnaby used the funds to pay (National Party supporters) well above market price for water that did not exist....Completely corrupt and a waste of taxpayers money???

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Reply #127 - Jan 20th, 2019 at 11:57pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 11:04pm:
So you admit the blame is not equally appropriated and the Coalition have rorted the system..



No petal. I have said the Nats were wrong and that Labor was AT LEAST PARTIALLY responsible. You do have trouble with the written word don't you? Wink

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 11:04pm:
.Failed to implement the basic requirement to have irrigators place meters on their pumps to monitor how much water they extract (rorting the system) and failed to respond to these concerns???



And that is a STATE responsibility a I have repeatedly said. The STATES control the sale of water.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 11:04pm:
2. Labor allowed irrigators too take water from the system because it is the only source of water they have available....Would you prefer they allowed no water to be used by irrigators.



It allowed the water to be used in drought situations. Hardly a responsible decision.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 11:04pm:
Laws to allow the sale have been in place for more than six years but were never used as the federal government under Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard used taxpayer funds to buy private water rights in the name of improving environmental flows.



And yet the legislation allowed it. The STATES as the responsible entity condoned it.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 11:04pm:
Barnaby used the funds to pay (National Party supporters) well above market price for water that did not exist....Completely corrupt and a waste of taxpayers money???


Perhaps you can tell us what price to put on water when no one wants to sell back entitlements? And of course you an show that they were all National Party supporters.
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Reply #128 - Jan 21st, 2019 at 12:31am
 
Barnaby Joyce is no friend of the environment....The right wing of the Coalition are destroying this nation with their destruction of the environment....This rabble must go!!!

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Reply #129 - Jan 21st, 2019 at 12:42am
 
lee wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 11:57pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 11:04pm:
So you admit the blame is not equally appropriated and the Coalition have rorted the system....You are correct that Labor allowed irrigators to remove water from the Murray Darling when they approved the scheme and have not been as pro active as they should have



No petal. I have said the Nats were wrong and that Labor was AT LEAST PARTIALLY responsible. You do have trouble with the written word don't you? Wink

Yet you deleted the text were I admitted Labor were partially responsible you deceitful prick???


philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 11:04pm:
.Failed to implement the basic requirement to have irrigators place meters on their pumps to monitor how much water they extract (rorting the system) and failed to respond to these concerns???



And that is a STATE responsibility a I have repeatedly said. The STATES control the sale of water.

I never claimed it was only the Federal Coalition you dickhead....The NSW Coalition are accused of abandoning the scheme and rorting the system???


philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 11:04pm:
2. Labor allowed irrigators too take water from the system because it is the only source of water they have available....Would you prefer they allowed no water to be used by irrigators.



It allowed the water to be used in drought situations. Hardly a responsible decision.

Yet it was the Coalition who drained the wetlands twice during a drought and diverted more water to irrigation against department advice???


philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 11:04pm:
Laws to allow the sale have been in place for more than six years but were never used as the federal government under Kevin Rudd and Julia Gillard used taxpayer funds to buy private water rights in the name of improving environmental flows.



And yet the legislation allowed it. The STATES as the responsible entity condoned it.

And the Coalition rorted it under Barnaby Joyce???


philperth2010 wrote on Jan 20th, 2019 at 11:04pm:
Barnaby used the funds to pay (National Party supporters) well above market price for water that did not exist....Completely corrupt and a waste of taxpayers money???


Perhaps you can tell us what price to put on water when no one wants to sell back entitlements? And of course you an show that they were all National Party supporters.


Barnaby Joyce paid well above market price with no tender and no due process???


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Webster is one of those companies. It owns several large cotton properties upstream at Bourke and Moree, as well as properties in the Riverina and at Hay. It is also one of the country’s biggest water traders.

Its shareholders include the businessman Chris Corrigan and Australian Food and Fibre, which is controlled by the Robinson family, a major donor to the National party.


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Reply #130 - Jan 21st, 2019 at 10:06am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 21st, 2019 at 12:42am:
Yet you deleted the text were I admitted Labor were partially responsible you deceitful prick???




I deleted nothing. I don't have those rights.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 21st, 2019 at 12:42am:
I never claimed it was only the Federal Coalition you dickhead....The NSW Coalition are accused of abandoning the scheme and rorting the system???


And yet it was part of the answer under the heading Barnaby Joyce.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 21st, 2019 at 12:42am:
And the Coalition rorted it under Barnaby Joyce???


And you haven't shown it was a rort.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 21st, 2019 at 12:42am:
Barnaby Joyce paid well above market price with no tender and no due process???



You do understand how commodities are valued? If you have a shortage the price goes up. Wheat, rice, oats - all the same. You pay above normal rates. Having paid above normal rates for a water buyback that lasts in perpetuity you would expect to pay more than one years water bill. It doesn't get paid year after year.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 21st, 2019 at 12:42am:
Its shareholders include the businessman Chris Corrigan and Australian Food and Fibre, which is controlled by the Robinson family, a major donor to the National party.


Oh now it is only one farmer not all farmers being National Party donors. Grin Grin Grin Grin


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Sing-a-long time!  Cool


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Reply #132 - Jan 21st, 2019 at 11:28pm
 
Capt N believes in the Global Warming HOAX and SCAM.

The plan does smell after all those fish died.
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Reply #133 - Jan 22nd, 2019 at 12:02am
 
Hmm ... tough audience.  Roll Eyes

I post a music video about "Fish are jumpin' and the cotton is high" ...

and ...


It just goes WHOOSH! straight over their heads.  Grin
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