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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5089 Gender:	Re: The Murray-Darling Management Plan Stinks Reply #75 - Jan 18^th, 2019 at 12:34pm Makes no sense labor to rort it. Water usage mostly nationals, so only one to gain are the coalition in corrupt business.
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Re: The Murray-Darling Management Plan Stinks
Reply #76 - Jan 18^th, 2019 at 1:23pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 12:30pm:

Already done....Now please post were Labor acted corruptly over the Murray Darling scheme???

Where exactly did I say they did? Wink

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 12:30pm:

As well, serious allegations that Joyce signed off on unsecured water purchases known as “ghost water” transactions at inflated prices – which provided large irrigators, such as agribusiness big irrigator and $300 million water portfolio owner, Webster Limited, huge profits – remain unanswered.

Ah yes allegations. No need for proof. Grin

From you reference -

" It prompted a sharp dressing down and request from the Department of Agriculture that we remove the article on the grounds it was 'inaccurate'. Since the Department did not provide any information about any of these purported inaccuracies, even after repeated requests, we did not take down Mark's meticulously researched article. "

Amazing how apparently independent departments kowtow to the Coalition but never to Labor. Grin

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 16404 Gender:	Re: The Murray-Darling Management Plan Stinks Reply #77 - Jan 18^th, 2019 at 1:31pm stunspore wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 12:34pm: Makes no sense labor to rort it. Water usage mostly nationals, so only one to gain are the coalition in corrupt business. So no Chinese ownership then?
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Reply #78 - Jan 18^th, 2019 at 1:40pm

lee wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 1:31pm:

stunspore wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 12:34pm:

Makes no sense labor to rort it. Water usage mostly nationals, so only one to gain are the coalition in corrupt business.

So no Chinese ownership then? Wink

Is there? And to own, they had to buy it off a coalition voter/farmer. ?

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 16404 Gender:	Re: The Murray-Darling Management Plan Stinks Reply #79 - Jan 18^th, 2019 at 1:49pm stunspore wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 1:40pm: And to own, they had to buy it off a coalition voter/farmer. They did? Is that an assumption based on most voters being coalition farmers?
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Reply #80 - Jan 18^th, 2019 at 3:15pm

lee wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 1:49pm:

stunspore wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 1:40pm:

And to own, they had to buy it off a coalition voter/farmer.

They did? Is that an assumption based on most voters being coalition farmers?

Isn't it most farmers? Though ALP continually fund rural areas despite never gaining votes.

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Reply #81 - Jan 18^th, 2019 at 3:46pm

stunspore wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 3:15pm:

Isn't it most farmers?

Most farmers is. That does not mean all farmers is. So maybe a Labor voting farmer sold his dirt. Wink

stunspore wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 3:15pm:

Though ALP continually fund rural areas despite never gaining votes.

Yeah. Gotta keep those who produce the food happy; unless you want to nationalise the farming sector. Grin

Here in WA Labor are busy pulling funding from country schooling. Way to go.

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Jasin Gold Member Online Posts: 46494 Gender:	Re: The Murray-Darling Management Plan Stinks Reply #82 - Jan 18^th, 2019 at 3:52pm Stupid white farmers have destroyed this country-side.
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Reply #83 - Jan 18^th, 2019 at 6:04pm

lee wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 1:23pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 12:30pm:

Already done....Now please post were Labor acted corruptly over the Murray Darling scheme???

Where exactly did I say they did? Wink

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 12:30pm:

As well, serious allegations that Joyce signed off on unsecured water purchases known as “ghost water” transactions at inflated prices – which provided large irrigators, such as agribusiness big irrigator and $300 million water portfolio owner, Webster Limited, huge profits – remain unanswered.

The price of the sale was not mentioned in the media release, but the ABC reported that Tandou stated that it would receive $78 million from the transaction. That would be used by Tandou (Webster Limited) to retire debt.

The ABC interviewed Tom Rooney, one of the founding directors of the water broking firm Waterfind Australia, based in Adelaide. He was asked for his assessment of the price paid and whether the deal was a good one for Webster Ltd. Rooney described the deal as a “fantastic deal” for Webster. The reason for that was that the purchase price paid by the Commonwealth was, roughly, $3,500 per megalitre, whereas the running average price of water in the Lower Darling traded on the water market over recent years was $140 per megalitre.

Ah yes allegations. No need for proof.

Yet you deleted the text that highlighted the corruption you deceitful prick???

From you reference -

" It prompted a sharp dressing down and request from the Department of Agriculture that we remove the article on the grounds it was 'inaccurate'. Since the Department did not provide any information about any of these purported inaccuracies, even after repeated requests, we did not take down Mark's meticulously researched article. "

From the same article.... Grin

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Back in August 2018, the Productivity Commission completed a review of the $13 billion Murray-Darling Basin Plan’s governance entitled, 'Murray-Darling Basin Plan: Five-year assessment'.

The Draft Report revealed the Plan's absence of transparency, lack of oversight and direction, and that it was lagging well behind schedule and wasting taxpayer dollars

the NSW Government had "legally embodied" increased access to water and "unsustainable irrigation practices", describing its attitude to the Basin Plan as "openly hostile".'

The 5 year assessment from the Productivity Commission is damning for the Coalition....This is the period the Coalition took over management of the scheme and totally stuffed it....Now spin that you dickhead!!!

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19625 Perth Gender:	Re: The Murray-Darling Management Plan Stinks Reply #84 - Jan 18^th, 2019 at 6:08pm lee wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 3:46pm: Here in WA Labor are busy pulling funding from country schooling. Way to go. Never heard of that....Do you have a link as your word is not worth crap???
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Reply #85 - Jan 18^th, 2019 at 6:55pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 6:08pm:

Never heard of that..

Of course you wouldn't have phil. Never heard of Moora College? Saved by the Feds.

But plenty of money for an inner city CBD high rise school where no need was identified.

Then plenty of money for the new school in Subiaco to replace Perth Mod where no need was identified for it to be replaced; other than selling of the land for inner city living. But still a new school for Subiaco despite Perth Mod remaining in the mix.

Always about the city isn't it phil? Just send country kids to the city for schooling. ALL country parents can afford that.

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/cut-our-education--cut-our...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-27/perth-high-rise-school-parents-reject-lab...

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57150 Here Gender:	Re: The Murray-Darling Management Plan Stinks Reply #86 - Jan 18^th, 2019 at 7:44pm Sir lastnail wrote on Jan 16^th, 2019 at 10:50am: how much tax payers money went into 'water management' ? What sort of management did we actually get ? At least the managment style was water related - P1ss weak.
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Reply #87 - Jan 19^th, 2019 at 7:18am

lee wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 6:55pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 6:08pm:

Never heard of that..

Of course you wouldn't have phil. Never heard of Moora College? Saved by the Feds.

But plenty of money for an inner city CBD high rise school where no need was identified.

Then plenty of money for the new school in Subiaco to replace Perth Mod where no need was identified for it to be replaced; other than selling of the land for inner city living. But still a new school for Subiaco despite Perth Mod remaining in the mix.

Always about the city isn't it phil? Just send country kids to the city for schooling. ALL country parents can afford that.

https://www.watoday.com.au/national/western-australia/cut-our-education--cut-our...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-27/perth-high-rise-school-parents-reject-lab...

An election commitment and no corruption....How does this justify the mismanagement of the Murray Darling scheme by Joyce and the Coalition....It doesn't does it....More defelection and denial from the resident dickhead???

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Reply #88 - Jan 19^th, 2019 at 7:19am

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 6:04pm:

lee wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 1:23pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 12:30pm:

Already done....Now please post were Labor acted corruptly over the Murray Darling scheme???

Where exactly did I say they did? Wink

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 12:30pm:

As well, serious allegations that Joyce signed off on unsecured water purchases known as “ghost water” transactions at inflated prices – which provided large irrigators, such as agribusiness big irrigator and $300 million water portfolio owner, Webster Limited, huge profits – remain unanswered.

The price of the sale was not mentioned in the media release, but the ABC reported that Tandou stated that it would receive $78 million from the transaction. That would be used by Tandou (Webster Limited) to retire debt.

The ABC interviewed Tom Rooney, one of the founding directors of the water broking firm Waterfind Australia, based in Adelaide. He was asked for his assessment of the price paid and whether the deal was a good one for Webster Ltd. Rooney described the deal as a “fantastic deal” for Webster. The reason for that was that the purchase price paid by the Commonwealth was, roughly, $3,500 per megalitre, whereas the running average price of water in the Lower Darling traded on the water market over recent years was $140 per megalitre.

Ah yes allegations. No need for proof.

Yet you deleted the text that highlighted the corruption you deceitful prick???

From you reference -

" It prompted a sharp dressing down and request from the Department of Agriculture that we remove the article on the grounds it was 'inaccurate'. Since the Department did not provide any information about any of these purported inaccuracies, even after repeated requests, we did not take down Mark's meticulously researched article. "

From the same article.... Grin

Quote:

Back in August 2018, the Productivity Commission completed a review of the $13 billion Murray-Darling Basin Plan’s governance entitled, 'Murray-Darling Basin Plan: Five-year assessment'.

The Draft Report revealed the Plan's absence of transparency, lack of oversight and direction, and that it was lagging well behind schedule and wasting taxpayer dollars

the NSW Government had "legally embodied" increased access to water and "unsustainable irrigation practices", describing its attitude to the Basin Plan as "openly hostile".'

The 5 year assessment from the Productivity Commission is damning for the Coalition....This is the period the Coalition took over management of the scheme and totally stuffed it....Now spin that you dickhead!!!

Roll Eyes

The Coalition own this mess

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Reply #89 - Jan 19^th, 2019 at 10:51am

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2019 at 7:18am:

An election commitment and no corruption.

There was no commitment prior to the election that Moora Residential College would close. The same as there was no commitment prior to the election to that they had the intent to close School of the Air.

The School of the Air was subsequently overturned on the back of opposition from both rural and city people.

And where did I say there was corruption? What I said "Here in WA Labor are busy pulling funding from country schooling".

But let's look at what the ABC had to say -

"Mr Wyatt told Parliament this month the Government was willing to increase its net debt to ensure Metronet got off the ground.

But regional residents who have seen their services cut have found the Government's justifications for its big spending decisions hard to swallow.

In Moora, where mounting state debt has been cited by the Government as the reason for the closure of the town's residential college, shire Deputy President Louise House said it was a silly and unfair state of affairs."

So they were quite prepared to go deeper into debt, despite lambasting the Barnett Government, but wanted to cut services to the country. As I said Way to go.

A city-centric government.

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 19^th, 2019 at 7:18am:

How does this justify the mismanagement of the Murray Darling scheme by Joyce and the Coalition.

With the help of Labor. And suddenly it has gone from corruption to mismanagement.

No where have you shown it was corruption. Poor phil. Can't even keep his story on track. Grin

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