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Reply #60 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:54pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:50pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:37pm:
Good point Mac!!!


very good point.

From the phil's reference -

"Barnaby Joyce has said allegations of water theft are “overwhelmingly” an issue for New South Wales and anyone who has broken the law will be dealt with."

So those responsible for enforcing the laws are the states which grant the irrigation licences. The feds merely have an over-watch to help those states.

Thank you. Wink

Selective quoting out of context again? You should know nobody believes you anymore when you do this.
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Reply #61 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:06pm
 
Bam wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:54pm:
Selective quoting out of context again? You should know nobody believes you anymore when you do this.



Perhaps you want more from the reference?

"An intergovernmental war has erupted since ABC’s Four Corners program reported that billions of litres of water bought by taxpayers to return to the environment under the Murray-Darling basin plan were being allegedly pumped out by some irrigators for cotton growing in northern NSW."

"Guardian Australia has requested a response from Hanlon to the allegations but has received no comment. Both Joyce and the NSW water minister, Niall Blair, said Hanlon had self-referred to the NSW independent commission against corruption to clear up the matter.

There may be five inquiries into the allegations, given calls for investigations by the Icac, a NSW government-initiated independent inquiry, the commonwealth auditor general, a judicial inquiry and a Senate inquiry.

Joyce said the issue of water theft from the Barwon Darling system in northern NSW – a critical link in the Murray-Darling river system – was “an issue overwhelmingly for NSW”. He said once investigations were complete, the issue would be on the agenda at the next water ministers’ meeting."

"On Wednesday, the South Australian premier, Jay Weatherill, called for commonwealth oversight of all compliance over the length of the Murray-Darling river system and a federal judicial review into allegations of water theft in NSW."

That's a goody. They want Commonwealth oversight of compliance, obviously something that isn't in the legislation.


Unless Bammy you can point to the Commonwealth Legislation and where it gives the Feds policeman powers

"Such a move would radically alter the arrangements for water management in Australia. Currently state governments are responsible for making sure water licence rules are enforced across Queensland, NSW, Victoria and South Australia. "

Is that context enough for you? If you have a genuine bitch you should be able pinpoint it.

Do you even know what context is?
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Reply #62 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:12pm
 
https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/dead-fish-could-stink-up-the-election...

Hmmm... i can't see this helping the coalition at all.
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Reply #63 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:23pm
 
Another good link -

"The commission heard evidence of how problems setting the amount of water put aside for the environment started under the Rudd government and have continued ever since. That includes the past six years of oversight by the Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison government."

Six years of each Labor and the Coalition. But apparently it is only the Coalition at fault.
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Reply #64 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:51pm
 
We need a Federal anti corruption commission with retrospective powers and we need it now!!!

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As well, serious allegations that Joyce signed off on unsecured water purchases known as “ghost water” transactions at inflated prices – which provided large irrigators, such as agribusiness big irrigator and $300 million water portfolio owner, Webster Limited, huge profits – remain unanswered.

The price of the sale was not mentioned in the media release, but the ABC reported that Tandou stated that it would receive $78 million from the transaction. That would be used by Tandou (Webster Limited) to retire debt.

The ABC interviewed Tom Rooney, one of the founding directors of the water broking firm Waterfind Australia, based in Adelaide. He was asked for his assessment of the price paid and whether the deal was a good one for Webster Ltd. Rooney described the deal as a “fantastic deal” for Webster. The reason for that was that the purchase price paid by the Commonwealth was, roughly, $3,500 per megalitre, whereas the running average price of water in the Lower Darling traded on the water market over recent years was $140 per megalitre.


WTF???

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https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/editorial-something-s...
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Reply #65 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:55pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:51pm:
We need a Federal anti corruption commission with retrospective powers and we need it now!!!



yep all the way back to those fish kills in 1986, under bob'awke..
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Reply #66 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:01pm
 
Yes it is libs fault. If they were competent they would have done something in 6 years then.  Issue is water theft and water envy - seeing all the water being pumped back into the environment, the coalition were crying foul, greeny loonies, etc.
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Reply #67 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:07pm
 
stunspore wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:01pm:
If they were competent they would have done something in 6 years then.


That would have to get through the Senate.

Now it is pretty certain SA senators would be in favour as they are last in the river food chain.

It is much less clear what Qld, NSW or Vic Senators would do.  The Vic State Minister has said they would do whatever was necessary to make sure they were not adversely impacted.
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Reply #68 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:18pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:51pm:
We need a Federal anti corruption commission with retrospective powers and we need it now!!!

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As well, serious allegations that Joyce signed off on unsecured water purchases known as “ghost water” transactions at inflated prices – which provided large irrigators, such as agribusiness big irrigator and $300 million water portfolio owner, Webster Limited, huge profits – remain unanswered.

The price of the sale was not mentioned in the media release, but the ABC reported that Tandou stated that it would receive $78 million from the transaction. That would be used by Tandou (Webster Limited) to retire debt.

The ABC interviewed Tom Rooney, one of the founding directors of the water broking firm Waterfind Australia, based in Adelaide. He was asked for his assessment of the price paid and whether the deal was a good one for Webster Ltd. Rooney described the deal as a “fantastic deal” for Webster. The reason for that was that the purchase price paid by the Commonwealth was, roughly, $3,500 per megalitre, whereas the running average price of water in the Lower Darling traded on the water market over recent years was $140 per megalitre.


WTF???

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https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/editorial-something-s...


Gee Phil, we need a Federal/Royal Commission into 'everything' in this country!
All these people getting rich above and beyond the honest British way.
This country is going to go environmentally down the gurgler - but a lot of people are going to get rich from pulling the plug out.
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Reply #69 - Jan 18th, 2019 at 8:31am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 8:51pm:
We need a Federal anti corruption commission with retrospective powers and we need it now!!!

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As well, serious allegations that Joyce signed off on unsecured water purchases known as “ghost water” transactions at inflated prices – which provided large irrigators, such as agribusiness big irrigator and $300 million water portfolio owner, Webster Limited, huge profits – remain unanswered.

The price of the sale was not mentioned in the media release, but the ABC reported that Tandou stated that it would receive $78 million from the transaction. That would be used by Tandou (Webster Limited) to retire debt.

The ABC interviewed Tom Rooney, one of the founding directors of the water broking firm Waterfind Australia, based in Adelaide. He was asked for his assessment of the price paid and whether the deal was a good one for Webster Ltd. Rooney described the deal as a “fantastic deal” for Webster. The reason for that was that the purchase price paid by the Commonwealth was, roughly, $3,500 per megalitre, whereas the running average price of water in the Lower Darling traded on the water market over recent years was $140 per megalitre.


WTF???

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https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/editorial-something-s...

Agree, this here is the smoking gun of corruption.
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Re: The Murray-Darling Management Plan Stinks
Reply #70 - Jan 18th, 2019 at 9:51am
 
lee wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:50pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:37pm:
Good point Mac!!!


very good point.

From the phil's reference -

"Barnaby Joyce has said allegations of water theft are “overwhelmingly” an issue for New South Wales and anyone who has broken the law will be dealt with."

So those responsible for enforcing the laws are the states which grant the irrigation licences. The feds merely have an over-watch to help those states.

Thank you. Wink


The state of NSW has a ...wait for it... COALITION GOVERNMENT who will cover up whatever barnaby tells them too. Not a federal matter yes but liberal corruption doesn't take a lot of notice of boundaries.
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Reply #71 - Jan 18th, 2019 at 10:34am
 
macman wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 9:51am:
The state of NSW has a ...wait for it... COALITION GOVERNMENT who will cover up whatever barnaby tells them too.


And GUESS what... NSW has had Labor governments as well as Coalition Governments.
Is Griffith on the Murray River? Remember the Don Mackay killing? Remember Al Grassby links to Griffith? Large property holdings, irrigation.

Are you suggesting this rorting is a new phenomenon? Do you have proof?
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Reply #72 - Jan 18th, 2019 at 10:59am
 
lee wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 10:34am:
macman wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 9:51am:
The state of NSW has a ...wait for it... COALITION GOVERNMENT who will cover up whatever barnaby tells them too.


And GUESS what... NSW has had Labor governments as well as Coalition Governments.
Is Griffith on the Murray River? Remember the Don Mackay killing? Remember Al Grassby links to Griffith? Large property holdings, irrigation.

Are you suggesting this rorting is a new phenomenon? Do you have proof?


If you have proof of Labor rorting the Murray Darling water scheme then please post it....There has been enough posted about Barnaby's corruption to make a comment instead of deflecting and being ignorant???

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Reply #73 - Jan 18th, 2019 at 11:23am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 10:59am:
If you have proof of Labor rorting the Murray Darling water scheme then please post it..



Oh dear struck a nerve did I? Another who believes these things only happen under the Coalition. Remember NSW ICAC?

philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 10:59am:
There has been enough posted about Barnaby's corruption to make a comment instead of deflecting and being ignorant???


Yes. You must tell us how a fed who has no policing or granting powers can approve/hide a rort of the water system. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #74 - Jan 18th, 2019 at 12:30pm
 
lee wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 11:23am:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 10:59am:
If you have proof of Labor rorting the Murray Darling water scheme then please post it..



Oh dear struck a nerve did I? Another who believes these things only happen under the Coalition. Remember NSW ICAC?

Deflection alert....Nothing to do with the topic???


philperth2010 wrote on Jan 18th, 2019 at 10:59am:
There has been enough posted about Barnaby's corruption to make a comment instead of deflecting and being ignorant???


Yes. You must tell us how a fed who has no policing or granting powers can approve/hide a rort of the water system. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Already done....Now please post were Labor acted corruptly over the Murray Darling scheme???

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As well, serious allegations that Joyce signed off on unsecured water purchases known as “ghost water” transactions at inflated prices – which provided large irrigators, such as agribusiness big irrigator and $300 million water portfolio owner, Webster Limited, huge profits – remain unanswered.

The price of the sale was not mentioned in the media release, but the ABC reported that Tandou stated that it would receive $78 million from the transaction. That would be used by Tandou (Webster Limited) to retire debt.

The ABC interviewed Tom Rooney, one of the founding directors of the water broking firm Waterfind Australia, based in Adelaide. He was asked for his assessment of the price paid and whether the deal was a good one for Webster Ltd. Rooney described the deal as a “fantastic deal” for Webster. The reason for that was that the purchase price paid by the Commonwealth was, roughly, $3,500 per megalitre, whereas the running average price of water in the Lower Darling traded on the water market over recent years was $140 per megalitre.


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