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The Murray-Darling Management Plan Stinks (Read 5474 times)
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Reply #45 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:25am
 
The Coalition own this mess!!!

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Back in August 2018, the Productivity Commission completed a review of the $13 billion Murray-Darling Basin Plan’s governance entitled, 'Murray-Darling Basin Plan: Five-year assessment'.

The Draft Report revealed the Plan's absence of transparency, lack of oversight and direction, and that it was lagging well behind schedule and wasting taxpayer dollars

As well, serious allegations that Joyce signed off on unsecured water purchases known as “ghost water” transactions at inflated prices – which provided large irrigators, such as agribusiness big irrigator and $300 million water portfolio owner, Webster Limited, huge profits – remain unanswered
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https://independentaustralia.net/politics/politics-display/editorial-something-s...

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jan/15/murray-darling-fish-kill-...
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Reply #46 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:29am
 
Algal blooms are a sign of a river in crisis. It wouldn't be happening this badly if the meagre flows of the river weren't being diverted to irrigation during a drought.
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Reply #47 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:48am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:19am:
You would have to post a citation for that comment....



You mean this?

lee wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 12:56pm:
"Twenty-one reliable reports of fish kill events are recorded for the Goulburn-Broken catchment between 1998 and 2004 (Ecos 2004) and it is recognised that many others may not have been observed or reported.  Other fish kills were also reported in the Loddon and Campaspe Rivers during January and February 2004. New South Wales records 34 fish kill reports per year (figures for 1986-1996), but it is estimated that the real number may exceed 60-80 per year (Lugg 2000). "


https://www.mdba.gov.au/sites/default/files/archived/native-fish/The-loss-of-Mur...

That's fish kill events not fishes killed.
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Reply #48 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:52am
 
Well, they can certainly say they have stopped the boats now
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Reply #49 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:52am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:25am:
Back in August 2018, the Productivity Commission completed a review of the $13 billion Murray-Darling Basin Plan’s governance entitled, 'Murray-Darling Basin Plan: Five-year assessment'.


Yes petal and in May 2018 Labor voted with the government against the Greens.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/may/07/murray-darling-basin-plan...
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Reply #50 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:55am
 
Bam wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:29am:
Algal blooms are a sign of a river in crisis. It wouldn't be happening this badly if the meagre flows of the river weren't being diverted to irrigation during a drought.


Yes how much water did their greedy mates suck out of the river during human induced droughts ? One way to destroy the ecology of a river I guess Sad
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Reply #51 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 10:20am
 
lee wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:52am:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:25am:
Back in August 2018, the Productivity Commission completed a review of the $13 billion Murray-Darling Basin Plan’s governance entitled, 'Murray-Darling Basin Plan: Five-year assessment'.


Yes petal and in May 2018 Labor voted with the government against the Greens.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/may/07/murray-darling-basin-plan...


Yes to try and get some regulation and accountability into the system Barnaby stuffed!!!

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Reply #52 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 10:21am
 
lee wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 9:48am:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:19am:
You would have to post a citation for that comment....



You mean this?

lee wrote on Jan 16th, 2019 at 12:56pm:
"Twenty-one reliable reports of fish kill events are recorded for the Goulburn-Broken catchment between 1998 and 2004 (Ecos 2004) and it is recognised that many others may not have been observed or reported.  Other fish kills were also reported in the Loddon and Campaspe Rivers during January and February 2004. New South Wales records 34 fish kill reports per year (figures for 1986-1996), but it is estimated that the real number may exceed 60-80 per year (Lugg 2000). "


https://www.mdba.gov.au/sites/default/files/archived/native-fish/The-loss-of-Mur...

That's fish kill events not fishes killed.


You think the bonking Barnaby would have known better than diverting water for irrigation during a drought....He is as thick as you....Coalition stuff up 100%???

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Reply #53 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 2:55pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 10:21am:
.Coalition stuff up 100%???


With labor help. Wink

1986 wasn't that Bob'awke?
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Reply #54 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 5:47pm
 
Plan...what f.......g plan? Cheesy
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Reply #55 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:07pm
 
oh dear wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:54pm:
lee wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:22pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:05pm:
When climate change is making droughts more frequent and drying out the land, the impact of irrigation will only become more dangerous.



Don't you just love assertions with no attempt at quoting a peer-reviewed report.


My local member Barnaby Joyce is asking for a further upgrade to increase Chaffeys dams capacity of 105 thousand megaliters after it reached %100 capacity 3 years ago to what now Joyce has been quoted as saying to deal with the threat of "climate irregularity" we are currently at level one water restrictions with the dam at %46 capacity.


Your local member is the dropkick who by looking after his big cocky mates has caused this disaster. He let them illegally pump megalitres of water and done nothing about it.
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Reply #56 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:09pm
 
macman wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
He let them illegally pump megalitres of water and done nothing about it.



You mean it is only a recent phenomena? Wink
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Reply #57 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:37pm
 
macman wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
oh dear wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:54pm:
lee wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:22pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:05pm:
When climate change is making droughts more frequent and drying out the land, the impact of irrigation will only become more dangerous.



Don't you just love assertions with no attempt at quoting a peer-reviewed report.


My local member Barnaby Joyce is asking for a further upgrade to increase Chaffeys dams capacity of 105 thousand megaliters after it reached %100 capacity 3 years ago to what now Joyce has been quoted as saying to deal with the threat of "climate irregularity" we are currently at level one water restrictions with the dam at %46 capacity.


Your local member is the dropkick who by looking after his big cocky mates has caused this disaster. He let them illegally pump megalitres of water and done nothing about it.


Good point Mac!!!

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https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/jul/26/barnaby-joyce-water-theft...
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Reply #58 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:50pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:37pm:
Good point Mac!!!


very good point.

From the phil's reference -

"Barnaby Joyce has said allegations of water theft are “overwhelmingly” an issue for New South Wales and anyone who has broken the law will be dealt with."

So those responsible for enforcing the laws are the states which grant the irrigation licences. The feds merely have an over-watch to help those states.

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Reply #59 - Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:51pm
 
macman wrote on Jan 17th, 2019 at 7:07pm:
oh dear wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:54pm:
lee wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:22pm:
whiteknight wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:05pm:
When climate change is making droughts more frequent and drying out the land, the impact of irrigation will only become more dangerous.



Don't you just love assertions with no attempt at quoting a peer-reviewed report.


My local member Barnaby Joyce is asking for a further upgrade to increase Chaffeys dams capacity of 105 thousand megaliters after it reached %100 capacity 3 years ago to what now Joyce has been quoted as saying to deal with the threat of "climate irregularity" we are currently at level one water restrictions with the dam at %46 capacity.


Your local member is the dropkick who by looking after his big cocky mates has caused this disaster. He let them illegally pump megalitres of water and done nothing about it.

The Coalition do not want this scandal going anywhere near any investigation.

They blocked Federal agencies from appearing before the SA Royal Commission.
They have whined that a Federal Royal Commission would be a "lawyers' picnic".
They are very firmly opposed to any retrospective powers for a Federal anti-corruption commission.

If this scandal was investigated by an anti-corruption commission or a separate Royal Commission, Joyce would be nailed so hard he could end up in prison.
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