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Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:05am
 

"firearms are so dangerous"

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"these firearms should be removed from our community"

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Suicides of Australian Federal Police officers inside their workplaces prompts tighter gun rules


By Michael Inman and Tom Lowrey

January 15, 2019

Four Australian Federal Police officers have killed themselves inside their own workplaces in two years, despite efforts to improve mental health support.

Their deaths have now prompted tighter firearm rules, such as officers needing a reason to draw out their weapons.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-01-15/suicide-of-afp-officers-prompts-gun-rules...





Supporting my arguments made here.

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.....my question is, that;


If firearms are so dangerous [AND THEY ARE!], then,    
....why are so many firearms seen on the hips of so many people who are walking on our streets ?



My argument is, that because firearms are very dangerous, all of these people, are a danger to themselves, and to other citizens.


And for the sake of public safety, these firearms should be removed from our community.







We should also disarm and disband our Australian defence forces.

It is just too dangerous, to have so many trained killers, on our streets
[and remember, these trained killers, have been trained in how to use firearms, too].



You know it makes sense.


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Reply #1 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:12am
 
if only it was that simple.....another death yesterday.. dont forget this is only those who kill themselves at work.....sadly a few have also taken their own lives in other place........it is not unusual for the AFP....

what drives anyone to this level is hard to fathom....but the AFP appears to have more than their share...

so yes there is a BIG.... Y .....hanging over this.......

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Reply #2 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:47am
 
cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:12am:
if only it was that simple.....another death yesterday.. dont forget this is only those who kill themselves at work.....sadly a few have also taken their own lives in other place........it is not unusual for the AFP....

what drives anyone to this level is hard to fathom....but the AFP appears to have more than their share...

so yes there is a BIG.... Y .....hanging over this.......


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No cods.

It is quite apparent to someone like myself, why so many people in our Western societies, commit suicide.

It is because we are [have become] an ethic-less, pleasure seeking, and morally confused society.

I blame our 'academically' trained sociologists.

You know, people who themselves, have no moral compass.




When individuals become morally confused, they will come to feel that they have an aimless life [where THEY QUESTION THEIR OWN MORAL WORTH],
and many, will choose to kill themselves.

I blame people like our sociologists and 'Humanists' - the most unethical professional group(s), that an individual could ever hope to NEVER meet.

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Reply #3 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 4:09pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:12am:
if only it was that simple.....another death yesterday.. dont forget this is only those who kill themselves at work.....sadly a few have also taken their own lives in other place........it is not unusual for the AFP....

what drives anyone to this level is hard to fathom....but the AFP appears to have more than their share...

so yes there is a BIG.... Y .....hanging over this.......

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They need to take a close look at their psychological testing imo. I believe the AFP is still using psychometric testing developed in the 50's.
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Reply #4 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 4:15pm
 
"When the going gets tough, the tough get going".

Mostly.  However, if you are a Member of the AFP and have a gun, perhaps that's the easy way out?
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Reply #5 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 4:30pm
 
I thought they had to undergo physiological testing

Perhaps it's just like the draft test in "Alice's restaurant ".
Where he jumps on the table screaming "kill, kill kill"
And the physiological tester jumped up with him and started screaming with him
"Kill, kill, kill".

Cops generally have attitude
The higher they go, the worse they get.

Perhaps one day they even get to hate themselves enough to top themselves.

Can we please start handing out guns to politicians?

It could be the greatest thing for democracy yet.
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Reply #6 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 4:30pm
 
Easy way out of what? Most members of the AFP dont do anything tougher than standing guard outside of some diplomats house. Hardly the stuff which PTSD comes from.
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Reply #7 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 4:57pm
 
rhino wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 4:09pm:
cods wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:12am:
if only it was that simple.....another death yesterday.. dont forget this is only those who kill themselves at work.....sadly a few have also taken their own lives in other place........it is not unusual for the AFP....

what drives anyone to this level is hard to fathom....but the AFP appears to have more than their share...

so yes there is a BIG.... Y .....hanging over this.......

Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad Sad
They need to take a close look at their psychological testing imo. I believe the AFP is still using psychometric testing developed in the 50's.



probably!   whatever they have its inadequate  a lot of officers marriages fall apart as well.....

a lot of jealousy  its not a good healthy environment at all.
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Reply #8 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 5:10pm
 
Would be a lot easier on the decent cops if they didn't have to deal with so much corruption in their workplace

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Reply #9 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 5:20pm
 

About 5 per cent of Australian children aged up to 17 are Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander, but 40 per cent of the children who took their own lives over the past year were indigenous.



AFP suicides and music festival drug overdoses are terrible and a lot is spoken about them. But they are dwarfed by Aboriginal youth suicide rates  and not much is spoken about that because the dead are largely victims of neglect and sexual abuse by other Aborigines.



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Reply #10 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 6:45pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 5:20pm:
About 5 per cent of Australian children aged up to 17 are Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander, but 40 per cent of the children who took their own lives over the past year were indigenous.



AFP suicides and music festival drug overdoses are terrible and a lot is spoken about them. But they are dwarfed by Aboriginal youth suicide rates  and not much is spoken about that because the dead are largely victims of neglect and sexual abuse by other Aborigines.



you are exactly right Frank but whenever this gets talked about in lieu of any solutions offered it mostly denigrates into a "its all because of the white man" argument.  It really is Australias shame that the overt racism of Aboriginal people towards white society aided and abetted by some whites is preventing this from being fixed.
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Reply #11 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 6:51pm
 
I feel sorry for the officers & their families.
It's obvious that the victims had no one to turn to.
This is the fault of the AFP.
Apparently anyone who admits to having problems
is looked down upon & never promoted.
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Reply #12 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:35pm
 
Maybe they need to look more closely at recruitment selection.... for years now I've been criticising police forces for their initial selection process, their immediate oversight, and their 'culture' of 'us and them' - them being the general public who are the 'enemy' because if they are wronged the bastards will make a complaint!!

Chopping out affirmative action for a start is a good step... and a realisation of truth about the actions of countless officers in the past, and still some to this day, is a good second step.

Then there is a need to overhaul the police/courts interface so as to promote a genuine and honest force... not have the courts act as an arm of police and as part of some mythical 'thin blue line'... courts are governed by a different set of rules and a different oath of office... and it is time they grew out of their 'cops and robbers ONLY' phase... and promoted honesty and integrity within the force (wherever it may be) rather than propping up mutual corruption.

An honest force benefits all - if you see an officer being corrupt - even in a small thing such as a parking fine - speak out and say so.

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Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 6:51pm:
I feel sorry for the officers & their families.
It's obvious that the victims had no one to turn to.
This is the fault of the AFP.
Apparently anyone who admits to having problems
is looked down upon & never promoted.
They get 6 free psyche appointments a year from memory, the assistance is there.
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Reply #14 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:59pm
 
rhino wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:45pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 6:51pm:
I feel sorry for the officers & their families.
It's obvious that the victims had no one to turn to.
This is the fault of the AFP.
Apparently anyone who admits to having problems
is looked down upon & never promoted.
They get 6 free psyche appointments a year from memory, the assistance is there.



They said on the radio today what I said above.
They obviously are looked down on if they use those services.
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Frank wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 5:20pm:
About 5 per cent of Australian children aged up to 17 are Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander, but 40 per cent of the children who took their own lives over the past year were indigenous.



AFP suicides and music festival drug overdoses are terrible and a lot is spoken about them. But they are dwarfed by Aboriginal youth suicide rates  and not much is spoken about that because the dead are largely victims of neglect and sexual abuse by other Aborigines.


Victims of British Aboriginals?
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Reply #16 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 9:04pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:59pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:45pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 6:51pm:
I feel sorry for the officers & their families.
It's obvious that the victims had no one to turn to.
This is the fault of the AFP.
Apparently anyone who admits to having problems
is looked down upon & never promoted.
They get 6 free psyche appointments a year from memory, the assistance is there.



They said on the radio today what I said above.
They obviously are looked down on if they use those services.
those services are confidential. The media strikes again with a load of bulldust.
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Reply #17 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 9:34pm
 
rhino wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 9:04pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:59pm:
rhino wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:45pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 6:51pm:
I feel sorry for the officers & their families.
It's obvious that the victims had no one to turn to.
This is the fault of the AFP.
Apparently anyone who admits to having problems
is looked down upon & never promoted.
They get 6 free psyche appointments a year from memory, the assistance is there.



They said on the radio today what I said above.
They obviously are looked down on if they use those services.
those services are confidential. The media strikes again with a load of bulldust.



It was the ABC.
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Reply #18 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 9:41pm
 
Unsurprisingly when they dont know something they make it up.
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Reply #19 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 9:50pm
 
Police must deal with some of the most horrific situations and the most evil of human nature....It is not surprising their occupation causes so much stress and depression....Police are just doing their job and deserve our respect and gratitude???

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philperth2010 wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 9:50pm:
Police must deal with some of the most horrific situations and the most evil of human nature....It is not surprising their occupation causes so much stress and depression....Police are just doing their job and deserve our respect and gratitude???

Sad Sad Sad


Wrong. The AFP don't do anything much except ceremonial attendance.

The suicide issue must be the victims questioning their worth to society and not being able to find a better-paying job as easy as AFP.
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Reply #21 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:04pm
 
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 9:53pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 9:50pm:
Police must deal with some of the most horrific situations and the most evil of human nature....It is not surprising their occupation causes so much stress and depression....Police are just doing their job and deserve our respect and gratitude???

Sad Sad Sad


Wrong. The AFP don't do anything much except ceremonial attendance.

The suicide issue must be the victims questioning their worth to society and not being able to find a better-paying job as easy as AFP.


Bullshit mate....The AFP deal with federal crimes....If you think they do nothing and their job is easy you have no idea???

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Reply #22 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:06pm
 
Violet Crumble wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 4:15pm:

"When the going gets tough, the tough get going".

Mostly.  However, if you are a Member of the AFP and have a gun, perhaps that's the easy way out?



Yep.


There are lots, and lots, of morally confused people out there [in our society].

They are the 'caliber' of people which     'a society like ours',    will produce.

It isn't rocket science.   !!!!



They are emotionally pliable, exploitable,     people who are easy to point in a 'direction' [by authority figures] and exploit.

And many are 'directionless', emotionally/morally      confused      people.

Many of us, have lost our way.




Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1317784815/11#11
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People who lack moral direction [i.e. ppl who lack 'moral reasoning'] exhibit confusion in their lives, imo.

Such people often commit suicide, imo.

'Humanists' are 'empty people', imo.

'Humanist' 'professionals' teach us, and our children, that for us to [seek to] discern between good and evil, is a social crime.

That is what 'humanists' are teaching us, and our children.

And it is crap.  <---- that is a technical term.





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   What are the most important things in life?  What do the
   proverbs, the wise sayings of man through the ages, have to say
   on this point?  Let us search them.  If we did so we would come
   up with the following list:

       - the basic necessities (food and shelter)
       - a good wife (or spouse)
       - good health
       - a good conscience
       - a good name
       - wisdom, understanding, good sense, spiritual knowledge,
           understanding of ourselves and life

   Now let us ask another question.  What things are most commonly
   pursued by man?  What does the common, ordinary man pursue in
   life?  We can list them:

       - temporary pleasure (gratification of appetites)
       - material possessions, wealth
       - social position, being "important"
       - friendship, friends, acceptance by a group


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Don't we already see this lifestyle on display, in many Australian suburbs ???


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Reply #23 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:07pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:04pm:
Laugh till you cry wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 9:53pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 9:50pm:
Police must deal with some of the most horrific situations and the most evil of human nature....It is not surprising their occupation causes so much stress and depression....Police are just doing their job and deserve our respect and gratitude???

Sad Sad Sad


Wrong. The AFP don't do anything much except ceremonial attendance.

The suicide issue must be the victims questioning their worth to society and not being able to find a better-paying job as easy as AFP.


Bullshit mate....The AFP deal with federal crimes....If you think they do nothing and their job is easy you have no idea???

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Do you have to be an invisible man to join, or do you acquire invisibility after joining?

I suspect Gordon has enrolled denizen AiA in the AFP because he has become invisible.
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Reply #24 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:43pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 9:50pm:
Police must deal with some of the most horrific situations and the most evil of human nature....It is not surprising their occupation causes so much stress and depression....Police are just doing their job and deserve our respect and gratitude???

Sad Sad Sad
Most AFP officers do guard duty. Some are sent on peacekeeping missions and do experience some nasty stuff but not on policing operations here in Australia. The horrible stuff, car accidents, violent crime, people getting killed and maimed etc is dealt with by state police. The feds deal with stuff like illegal importation, drug and people smuggling, that sort of thing.
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