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Reply #45 - Jan 14th, 2019 at 10:27pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 14th, 2019 at 10:18pm:
Death to Yankee Unionists  Angry


You should give up, you can not out Chokito Julia, Good effort but not even close
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Reply #46 - Jan 14th, 2019 at 10:30pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 14th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
A Strike if a much needed last resort.

The right to withhold labour should always be available to all employees.


Oh I don't deny your 'right to withhold labour by employees',
but you see - not all employees want to do it your way only.
You do not represent the interests of all workers (be they white collar or blue) who seem able enough not to need a 'middle-man' to 'cash in' on them, to achieve their needs.
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Reply #47 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 12:07am
 
Old time dated Lefties still imagine they are living in the old long gone Tariff Wall days when unions were king and could bring the whole country to a standstill.

But nowadays Australian industry is COMPETING with ASIAN industry and the ASIAN industry does not have the useless union parasites sucking the goodness out of them like here in Australia.

So Australian industry is too expensive because they are carrying the blood sucking union parasites.

So the useless union parasites are forcing industry to leave Australia and send OUR WORK to Asia and throw Australians out of work.

Just think back to the forced closure of Ford and Holden and Toyota who all left Australia to get away from the union parasite menace.

That silly Commo Socialist extremist feminazi sheila is so out of touch as she tries to relive the old Tariff Wall days and force Australian companies to go bankrupt or leave Australia.

Unions are now a disease here in Australia that needs to be exterminated to save our country.

It is Fair Work's job to look after the interests of workers like they did when they reduced excessive penalty rates.

The FACT that the union parasites are losing members at a rapid rate says it all as much more aware workers avoid the old white men trying to exploit them for the union's end and not theirs.

The union parasites are running short of cash and so they rifle industry super funds and extort money from any company they can.

And Bilious Billy is the unions' choice and he has the charisma of a piece of road kill!!!!

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Reply #48 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 2:06am
 
About time - take back the wharves for those who work there - not the parasites who profit from your seat and blood!!
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Reply #49 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 2:11am
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 14th, 2019 at 10:30pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jan 14th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
A Strike if a much needed last resort.

The right to withhold labour should always be available to all employees.


Oh I don't deny your 'right to withhold labour by employees',
but you see - not all employees want to do it your way only.
You do not represent the interests of all workers (be they white collar or blue) who seem able enough not to need a 'middle-man' to 'cash in' on them, to achieve their needs.



They'll learn when they are shown the reality..... at the moment only those prepared to put themselves on the line are preventing total subjugation of the workers.... and that sure as hell ain't the Labor party with their pussy-whipped modern ideology ...

Some people who imagine themselves so strong and independent and so able to compete with the boss network rubbish those who actually hold that line - but soon they will know they always needed them....

When I did the unpaid Union delegate stint, more than one came to me for help when the bosses got into them - after rubbishing me and the Union every day for sometimes years as some kind of 'commos' and 'losers' - suddenly when they faced the sack or discipline (warranted or not) it was :-

"Help me - I don't deserve this!  Go and confront the bosses for me... HELP ME!"

.. and when the bosses turned on me, did the same people support me?  Not on your Nelly!

But they - and you - will all learn some day soon.  Talk is cheap - action counts.

As for 'not needing a middle man' - how the hell do you imagine for one moment they get pay rises annually?  Because bossy is so nice and they are so wonderful standing alone?  NO - it's because the UNIONS present a national wage claim every year - that flows on to both wages and salaries and the equivalents under 'agreements'.

Christ some of you are naive, to say the least.
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Reply #50 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 8:27am
 
Ancient union man the grappler is grappling with the difficulty of understanding that times have changed and the unions are dying with no members.

The wharves cannot tolerate the enormous expense of unions sabotaging operations and increasing the cost of living.
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Reply #51 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 8:50am
 
As expected, Coalition supporters want workers to be paid less and work under sweatshop conditions.
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Reply #52 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 9:04am
 
Poor Stunned comes out of his artificial politically correct little world and stumbles and bumbles with no comprehension in the big outside world.
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Reply #53 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 9:19am
 
stunspore wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 8:50am:
As expected, Coalition supporters want workers to be paid less and work under sweatshop conditions.


As well as being denied basic human rights, such as drinking water and going to the toilet.

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Reply #54 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 10:41am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 9:19am:
stunspore wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 8:50am:
As expected, Coalition supporters want workers to be paid less and work under sweatshop conditions.


As well as being denied basic human rights, such as drinking water and going to the toilet.



Adult nappies and IV drips will be the next biggest productivity tools - that and vibration lessons from aqua.
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Reply #55 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 11:02am
 
whiteknight wrote on Jan 14th, 2019 at 6:12pm:
Wharfies vote to strike over 'attack' on pay and conditions   Huh

14 January 2019
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Hundreds of dock workers have voted to launch industrial action later this week, including a series of rolling strikes, over what they say is the “most severe attack on waterfront conditions in a generation”.

Unionised employees of stevedoring giant Hutchison Ports in Sydney and Brisbane backed a decision to take “broad-ranging” industrial action starting on Thursday – such as bans on specific duties and overtime, and a range of work stoppages – amid deadlocked negotiations with management over the terms of a new wage agreement.


Hutchison Ports is locked in a fresh dispute with its unionised workers in Sydney and Brisbane.

Hutchison Ports, which lost tens of millions of dollars in the past financial year, is seeking to drive down costs at its Australian port operations.

Its existing wage agreement pays waterfront workers an average of $150,000 in Sydney and $130,000 in Brisbane for working 30 to 33 hours a week, once allowances are factored in, as well as 12 per cent superannuation.


“Hutchison Ports Australia continues to negotiate in good faith with the union,” a spokesman for the company said.

“But the company’s position remains that it needs a more flexible workforce to improve its economic position and keep people employed.”

    We will not accept an agreement that rips us off and reduces our standard of living.
    MUA's Warren Smith

The union accuses Hutchison of refusing to back down from heavy-handed plans to slash staff wages by up to $10 an hour, strip away conditions, and automate or outsource a range of waterfront roles.   Sad

“Our members refuse to sit back and watch as four-decades of hard-won conditions are stripped away by a greedy multinational whose only concern is maximising its own profits,” Maritime Union of Australia assistant secretary Warren Smith said.

“We will not accept an agreement that rips us off and reduces our standard of living, and the Maritime Union of Australia is committed to using every industrial and legal tool at our disposal in our fight to protect conditions and safety standards on the waterfront.”

Officials from the maritime union said some of the employer’s demands included a 2.5 per cent cut to superannuation; cuts to sick and paid parental leave; cuts to redundancy and long-service leave, and a $10-an-hour pay cut followed by a wage freeze, then wage rises of one per cent a year.   Sad

The union has also raised safety concerns over the company’s “push to remove the full-time first-aiders”. 

More than 98 per cent of unionised workers at Hutchison Ports who participated in the union ballot voted in favour of taking industrial action, however, only 60 per cent of eligible workers cast a vote.

The industrial action on the wharves is scheduled to begin on Thursday, starting with bans on working overtime.

Hutchison Ports has applied to the workplace umpire, the Fair Work Commission, to extend the notice period the union must provide before any industrial action to five days.

In 2015, workers for Hutchison walked off the job in New South Wales and Queensland after the company sacked 97 staff via emails and text messages. The strike ultimately forced Hutchison to withdraw the job cuts.

The company and the union later reached a deal allowing for 60 voluntary redundancies and enhanced redundancy entitlements.


Gees, I'd love to be earning $150,000 pa and work 33 hours per week. That's about $87.40 per hour. A $10 per hour reduction in wages puts them at $77.40 per hour, or $133,000 pa if they still worked a 33 hour work week. Yes it's a significant pay cut, but come on, what are these guys doing on a daily basis that justifies such high wages? Even if I got my RPEQ engineering certification I'd still be earning less per hour than these guys.

Bring in the robots I say.
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Reply #56 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 11:20am
 
whiteknight wrote on Jan 14th, 2019 at 6:12pm:
Wharfies vote to strike over 'attack' on pay and conditions   Huh

14 January 2019
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Hutchison Ports is locked in a fresh dispute with its unionised workers in Sydney and Brisbane.

Hutchison Ports, which lost tens of millions of dollars in the past financial year, is seeking to drive down costs at its Australian port operations.

Its existing wage agreement pays waterfront workers an average of $150,000 in Sydney and $130,000 in Brisbane for working 30 to 33 hours a week, once allowances are factored in, as well as 12 per cent superannuation.





The company can't keep running at a loss it will go out of business, do the unions want to shut it down?


$150,000 a year for 30-33 hours work sounds like a nice rort, these workers will be making nothing if that company goes out of business.



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Reply #57 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 11:43am
 
And who are you to put a value to their work?  How much should they earn in your opinion?  Do you have the wage/salary of each profession in mind? 

Do these people can keep working into their 60's?  Like AFL players, they should earn as much as they can before their bodies are worn out.
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Reply #58 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 11:45am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jan 15th, 2019 at 11:20am:
whiteknight wrote on Jan 14th, 2019 at 6:12pm:
Wharfies vote to strike over 'attack' on pay and conditions   Huh

14 January 2019
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Hutchison Ports is locked in a fresh dispute with its unionised workers in Sydney and Brisbane.

Hutchison Ports, which lost tens of millions of dollars in the past financial year, is seeking to drive down costs at its Australian port operations.

Its existing wage agreement pays waterfront workers an average of $150,000 in Sydney and $130,000 in Brisbane for working 30 to 33 hours a week, once allowances are factored in, as well as 12 per cent superannuation.





The company can't keep running at a loss it will go out of business, do the unions want to shut it down?


$150,000 a year for 30-33 hours work sounds like a nice rort, these workers will be making nothing if that company goes out of business.




"... once allowances are factored in, as well as 12 per cent superannuation."

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Reply #59 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 7:06pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 14th, 2019 at 10:23pm:
A Strike if a much needed last resort.

The right to withhold labour should always be available to all employees.

Indeed! Employees are the only suppliers to a business who cannot withhold their supply due to the business's malfeasance, so wage theft is rampant, superannuation nonpayment is rampant, and many businesses in general treat their staff like crap. Businesses can flout the law as much as they like without immediate consequence because workers cannot withdraw their labour.

This is also way businesses don't like full employment, and have fought for 40 years against full employment in Australia. If there was full employment, mass resignation and quickly finding a new job become live options.
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