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Reply #105 - Jan 12th, 2019 at 12:37pm
 
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Reply #107 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 5:39am
 
Rhino wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 1:49am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 12:05am:
Rhino wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 11:37pm:
Abos probably do more than 77 times the rate. Their offending rate is huge. In WA and NT they make up the majority of the prison population despite being around 3 percent of the population.


Probably, eh?

No worries, Homo's about to show us his stats.

Homo?

whether its a 100 times or 10 times makes little difference to this argument. They commit crime out of all proportion to their numbers. Why do you think they do that?


Commit crime?

Where is the evidence for this.

We only know who is committed.

Is there disproportionate representation?

Shall we look at that?

How about a rephrasing of your question ... why are certain groups more represented by commitment rates than others?
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Reply #108 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 5:56am
 
it_is_the_MIGHT wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 12:35pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 12:11pm:
Rhino wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 1:49am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 12:05am:
Rhino wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 11:37pm:
Abos probably do more than 77 times the rate. Their offending rate is huge. In WA and NT they make up the majority of the prison population despite being around 3 percent of the population.


Probably, eh?

No worries, Homo's about to show us his stats.

Homo?

whether its a 100 times or 10 times makes little difference to this argument. They commit crime out of all proportion to their numbers. Why do you think they do that?


Creative accounting?

Anyway - I've met young-ish Aboriginal men who think that anything they can get from whitey in any way is fair game, since Whitey stole everything from them... just like feminists in universities, they are steeped in the ideology that they are entitled to anything and everything as just punishment to (principally) White men for past crimes against them... some even view stealing from Whitey as being part of their 'resistance' .... and it's only when they grow to 'elder' status' that they begin to see clearly that this is all wrong.  I've met Aboriginal elders who are in despair at their inability to get across to many young'uns 'the right way'.

Not creative accounting - creative history re-writing...


They also believe the evil whitey spirits of colonization inhabit the bodies of evil whitey of today. Therefore the self entitlements and expectations are justified.



I've not heard that one before. Are you sure someone wasn't having a lend of you? You know Aboriginal people aren't idiots, yes?
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Reply #109 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 6:00am
 
Just because there are a lot of indigenous ppl in jail doesn't mean they committed crimes. It means they are targeted by the police. Remember when Joe bjelke put all of them he could find in the black hole for the Commonwealth games? Who would think that doesn't still happen? The crimes they have committed are likely vagrancy related.

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Reply #110 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 6:06am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 13th, 2019 at 6:00am:
Just because there are a lot of indigenous ppl in jail doesn't mean they committed crimes. It means they are targeted by the police. Remember when Joe bjelke put all of them he could find in the black hole for the Commonwealth games? Who would think that doesn't still happen? The crimes they have committed are likely vagrancy related.

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That's one factor Spot. i know i've done numerous things that would have landed me in jail were i of a certain skin colour in some (embarrassingly many) parts of the country.

Another factor is the the trivial reasons for which Aboriginal people are locked up in specifically WA and NT ... because that is what Rhino is talking about.

They are locked up predominantly for traffic violations. Things that would see the average white city dweller on a payment plan.

And why the traffic violations? Well. that's a whole'nother story. One about accesibility and literacy and a few other things besides.

Or it could me about melanin? Were you to go with the flow.
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Reply #111 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 7:23am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 13th, 2019 at 6:00am:
Just because there are a lot of indigenous ppl in jail doesn't mean they committed crimes. It means they are targeted by the police. Remember when Joe bjelke put all of them he could find in the black hole for the Commonwealth games? Who would think that doesn't still happen? The crimes they have committed are likely vagrancy related.

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Ohhh perlease. Targetted?

What "black hole"?

Like Aboriginals are the only ones who get picked up for vagrancy?

Yes our jails are full of innocent people. Roll Eyes
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Reply #112 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 7:53am
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 13th, 2019 at 7:23am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 13th, 2019 at 6:00am:
Just because there are a lot of indigenous ppl in jail doesn't mean they committed crimes. It means they are targeted by the police. Remember when Joe bjelke put all of them he could find in the black hole for the Commonwealth games? Who would think that doesn't still happen? The crimes they have committed are likely vagrancy related.

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Ohhh perlease. Targetted?

What "black hole"?

Like Aboriginals are the only ones who get picked up for vagrancy?

Yes our jails are full of innocent people. Roll Eyes




And the cops are the ones that sentence them.... Grin

Fkkk some people are ignorant. Lucky some of us aren't and actually see what's going on.
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Reply #113 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 7:55am
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 13th, 2019 at 7:23am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 13th, 2019 at 6:00am:
Just because there are a lot of indigenous ppl in jail doesn't mean they committed crimes. It means they are targeted by the police. Remember when Joe bjelke put all of them he could find in the black hole for the Commonwealth games? Who would think that doesn't still happen? The crimes they have committed are likely vagrancy related.

Spot


Ohhh perlease. Targetted?

What "black hole"?

Like Aboriginals are the only ones who get picked up for vagrancy?

Yes our jails are full of innocent people. Roll Eyes


Certainly profiled. Yes.

but i'm more interested as to why you ignored my posts about causal factors of recorded criminality.

Are you just ignoring me, Gnads? If so, it seems selective as to whether or not you will do so.
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Reply #114 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 9:14am
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 13th, 2019 at 7:23am:
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 13th, 2019 at 6:00am:
Just because there are a lot of indigenous ppl in jail doesn't mean they committed crimes. It means they are targeted by the police. Remember when Joe bjelke put all of them he could find in the black hole for the Commonwealth games? Who would think that doesn't still happen? The crimes they have committed are likely vagrancy related.

Spot


Ohhh perlease. Targetted?

What "black hole"?

Like Aboriginals are the only ones who get picked up for vagrancy?

Yes our jails are full of innocent people. Roll Eyes


You must be very young indeed to not remember that and all the drama surrounding it.

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Reply #115 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 9:36am
 
With Oz day coming up soon it's time for a Boong bash, and rightfully so.

They are certainly over represented in the courts because they cant keep out of trouble.
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Reply #116 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 10:45am
 
it_is_the_MIGHT wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 12:35pm:
Ye Grappler wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 12:11pm:
Rhino wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 1:49am:
Karnal wrote on Jan 12th, 2019 at 12:05am:
Rhino wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 11:37pm:
Abos probably do more than 77 times the rate. Their offending rate is huge. In WA and NT they make up the majority of the prison population despite being around 3 percent of the population.


Probably, eh?

No worries, Homo's about to show us his stats.

Homo?

whether its a 100 times or 10 times makes little difference to this argument. They commit crime out of all proportion to their numbers. Why do you think they do that?


Creative accounting?

Anyway - I've met young-ish Aboriginal men who think that anything they can get from whitey in any way is fair game, since Whitey stole everything from them... just like feminists in universities, they are steeped in the ideology that they are entitled to anything and everything as just punishment to (principally) White men for past crimes against them... some even view stealing from Whitey as being part of their 'resistance' .... and it's only when they grow to 'elder' status' that they begin to see clearly that this is all wrong.  I've met Aboriginal elders who are in despair at their inability to get across to many young'uns 'the right way'.

Not creative accounting - creative history re-writing...


They also believe the evil whitey spirits of colonization inhabit the bodies of evil whitey of today. Therefore the self entitlements and expectations are justified.


Oh, I don't know why they'd think that. When FD says we should bring them Freeeedom, he's just having a bit of fun. When the old boy says we should recolonise them, he's just having a bit of a giggle. And when Matty says to nuke them, he's just having a jolly old hoot.

The Nig-nogs don't need to worry about Whitey anymore, oh no. That's all in the past.
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Reply #117 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 10:59am
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jan 13th, 2019 at 6:00am:
Just because there are a lot of indigenous ppl in jail doesn't mean they committed crimes. It means they are targeted by the police. Remember when Joe bjelke put all of them he could find in the black hole for the Commonwealth games? Who would think that doesn't still happen? The crimes they have committed are likely vagrancy related.

Spot


Spot on Spot, pardon the pun.

Courts discriminate shockingly against Aboriginal people.

Offences that would gain a warning or a good behaviour bond for a non-Aboriginal often result in jail time for Aboriginals.

"Whites" get off with a warning far more often than "blacks".

That's a fact.



I'll just post the summary, the whole study is very interesting.

Summary

This paper reports the findings from statistical analyses comparing the probability of receiving a prison sentence by Indigenous status in the lower courts of South Australia and New South Wales over an 11 year period (1998 to 2008). The primary aim was to identify whether there was a relationship between Indigenous status and imprisonment after controlling for other factors known to impact sentencing decisions. It was found that:

For each year, adjusting for social background, past and present criminality and court processing factors reduced the initial baseline differences between Indigenous and non-Indigenous defendants in both jurisdictions (New South Wales and South Australia).

Overall, Indigenous defendants were more likely to receive a prison sentence, compared with non-Indigenous defendants in comparable circumstances in both jurisdictions (New South Wales and South Australia).

The pattern of disparity over time varied between the two jurisdictions of New South Wales and South Australia. In South Australia, in the period pre-2001, there was evidence of parity and even leniency. However, in more recent years, Indigenous offenders were more likely to receive a prison sentence. By contrast, Indigenous offenders had higher odds of imprisonment throughout the entire period in New South Wales.


So there is some support for the differential involvement hypothesis across the entire time period, but some negative disparity remains. More importantly, the analysis suggests that the gap in the decision to imprison in the lower courts between Indigenous and non-Indigenous offenders may well be increasing in both jurisdictions.

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Figure 1 Independent effect of Indigenous status on the likelihood of an imprisonment order in adult lower courts (South Australia and New South Wales) by year

Note: Odds ratios reported. The adjusted odds ratios are estimated from a logistic regression model that controls for sex, age at disposition, prior history, offence seriousness, presence of multiple conviction counts, guilty plea and not released on bail.
The dashed red line represents equal odds, or parity. Odds ratios below this line indicate increasing leniency in favour of Indigenous offenders; odds ratios above this line indicate increasing harshness toward Indigenous offenders

www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/441-460/tandi447.html


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Reply #118 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 11:11am
 
And Aboriginals discriminate against the Courts and all else that isn't part of 'their' way of life.

As the song goes "It's like talking to a stranger."

There is a detachment between the Political and 'Land' orientated Aboriginal 'culture'. Hence the discrimination.

This will not be alleviated until the 'British' aspect leaves and then the 'old' version of Aboriginal culture will be let go, by its people as well.

But hey, Australia Day: its a celebration of a 'past' event.  Roll Eyes No wonder the Aboriginals call it 'Invasion Day' too.

Wonder what day it will be when Australia celebrates 'the future'?  Huh  Cool
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Reply #119 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 12:34pm
 
It's no secret that young aboriginal girls are nearly all raped before puberty in aboriginal settlements

That STDs are making a com act at plague like proportions among aboriginals

That children as young as 10 have one or more STDs

But we must honour the great noble savage...... not
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