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Jan 9th, 2019 at 1:42pm
 
German far-right politician Frank Magnitz of Alternative for Germany party beaten unconscious

This is an appalling attack. I hope the perpetrators are found and prosecuted.

I don't care that this is a far right politician whose views I disagree with. Violence is not the way to resolve disputes. The proper way is rational debate.

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Reply #1 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 4:05pm
 
Leftwing progressive brown shirts did it
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Reply #2 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 6:12pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 4:05pm:
Leftwing progressive brown shirts did it

That's speculation, not fact.
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Reply #3 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 6:20pm
 
Apart from him opposing unregulated open border immigration (which makes him rational) what exactly makes him right wing?
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Reply #4 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 6:29pm
 
Isn't this a left wing terrorist attack? It certainly fits the description.
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Reply #5 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 8:09pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 6:20pm:
Apart from him opposing unregulated open border immigration (which makes him rational) what exactly makes him right wing?


Well, he's a member of the AFD - a right-wing populist political party.

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Reply #6 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 8:52pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 8:09pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 6:20pm:
Apart from him opposing unregulated open border immigration (which makes him rational) what exactly makes him right wing?


Well, he's a member of the AFD - a right-wing populist political party.


What's  wrong with right wing, shitehead? With populism?
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Reply #7 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:02pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 8:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 8:09pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 6:20pm:
Apart from him opposing unregulated open border immigration (which makes him rational) what exactly makes him right wing?


Well, he's a member of the AFD - a right-wing populist political party.


What's  wrong with right wing, shitehead? With populism?


Gordon asked why he is regarded as right-wing.

I answered his question.

What part of that don't you understand?

I'm curious.
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Reply #8 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:04pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 8:52pm:
What's  wrong with right wing, shitehead? With populism?


I'm not sure how extreme their anti-immigration views are, but the party should be rigorously opposed and condemned for this position alone:

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The party has a platform of climate change scepticism,[101][106] and therefore criticizes the energy transformation policies (Energiewende) that have promoted renewable energy.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany#Ideology_and_policies

That puts them in the "extremist" category in my book.
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Reply #9 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:05pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:02pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 8:52pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 8:09pm:
Gordon wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 6:20pm:
Apart from him opposing unregulated open border immigration (which makes him rational) what exactly makes him right wing?


Well, he's a member of the AFD - a right-wing populist political party.


What's  wrong with right wing, shitehead? With populism?


Gordon asked why he is regarded as right-wing.

I answered his question.

What part of that don't you understand?

I'm curious.

Afd - what makes it right wing or populist,  slimeball?
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Reply #10 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:09pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:04pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 8:52pm:
What's  wrong with right wing, shitehead? With populism?


I'm not sure how extreme their anti-immigration views are, but the party should be rigorously opposed and condemned for this position alone:

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The party has a platform of climate change scepticism,[101][106] and therefore criticizes the energy transformation policies (Energiewende) that have promoted renewable energy.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany#Ideology_and_policies

That puts them in the "extremist" category in my book.

Why is it a good thing to condemn anti-immigration?
Why is it right wing to be sceptical about man made climate change?
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Reply #11 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:18pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:09pm:
Why is it right wing to be sceptical about man made climate change?


Thats a great question. It shouldn't be, but it is. For some bizarre reason all the right wing loonies rally behind the climate scepticism flag. Buggered if I know why. True conservatism should be all about protecting the environment.

I've never heard of a lefty climate sceptic - have you?
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Reply #12 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:23pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:18pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:09pm:
Why is it right wing to be sceptical about man made climate change?


Thats a great question. It shouldn't be, but it is. For some bizarre reason all the right wing loonies rally behind the climate scepticism flag. Buggered if I know why. True conservatism should be all about protecting the environment.

I've never heard of a lefty climate sceptic - have you?

Lefties/progressives are mindless. To expect them to think is stupid.

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Reply #13 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:25pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:23pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:18pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:09pm:
Why is it right wing to be sceptical about man made climate change?


Thats a great question. It shouldn't be, but it is. For some bizarre reason all the right wing loonies rally behind the climate scepticism flag. Buggered if I know why. True conservatism should be all about protecting the environment.

I've never heard of a lefty climate sceptic - have you?

Lefties/progressives are mindless. To expect them to think is stupid.



And yet unlike climate sceptics, they seemed to have actually used a brain cell or two by agreeing with what the science says.
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Reply #14 - Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:55pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:25pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:23pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:18pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:09pm:
Why is it right wing to be sceptical about man made climate change?


Thats a great question. It shouldn't be, but it is. For some bizarre reason all the right wing loonies rally behind the climate scepticism flag. Buggered if I know why. True conservatism should be all about protecting the environment.

I've never heard of a lefty climate sceptic - have you?

Lefties/progressives are mindless. To expect them to think is stupid.



And yet unlike climate sceptics, they seemed to have actually used a brain cell or two by agreeing with what the science says.

Oh? What does the 'science' say? What exactly are the progs agreeing with?
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Reply #15 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 7:26am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:55pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:25pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:23pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:18pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:09pm:
Why is it right wing to be sceptical about man made climate change?


Thats a great question. It shouldn't be, but it is. For some bizarre reason all the right wing loonies rally behind the climate scepticism flag. Buggered if I know why. True conservatism should be all about protecting the environment.

I've never heard of a lefty climate sceptic - have you?

Lefties/progressives are mindless. To expect them to think is stupid.



And yet unlike climate sceptics, they seemed to have actually used a brain cell or two by agreeing with what the science says.

Oh? What does the 'science' say? What exactly are the progs agreeing with? 


That man-made climate change is real and we should be doing something about it.
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Reply #16 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 9:07am
 
AND. and...

Even... IF, IF climate change is not real, and not man made.  We still need to progress into renewable energy for the sake of the environment that our children will live in, and for the sake of the progression of human civilization.
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Reply #17 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 2:09pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 6:29pm:
Isn't this a left wing terrorist attack? It certainly fits the description.

Who are the perpetrators? That's not yet known. It's best not to jump to conclusions until this is known.

It could be political though. Political violence isn't unknown in Germany.
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In 2015, a far-right extremist stabbed in the neck a leading mayoral candidate for Cologne, who at the time was in charge of housing refugees.

Henriette Reker was elected mayor the following day while in an induced coma and took office about a month later.

A right-wing extremist was the attacker here.

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In 2017, a man with a knife attacked the mayor of Altena in western Germany.

The mayor was known for voluntarily taking in more asylum seekers than the small town was obliged to.

Unknown assailant.

I say again ... all such attacks should be condemned regardless of who the perpetrators or victims are.
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Reply #18 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:12pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:04pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 9th, 2019 at 8:52pm:
What's  wrong with right wing, shitehead? With populism?


I'm not sure how extreme their anti-immigration views are, but the party should be rigorously opposed and condemned for this position alone:

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The party has a platform of climate change scepticism,[101][106] and therefore criticizes the energy transformation policies (Energiewende) that have promoted renewable energy.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany#Ideology_and_policies

That puts them in the "extremist" category in my book.


In the "extremist" category? Like ISIS?

Mind you, that is not my view on climate change. I don't see disagreement as extreme, I see people running trucks through crowds as extreme. Cutting off heads, killing innocent people on the streets, that's extreme. Attacking people like this man and leaving him unconscious, that's extreme.
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Reply #19 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:27pm
 
I take the view that the threat of climate change is so serious to our way of life - even our very survival - that being so brazenly dismissive of it - when the science is so clear on it - to the extent that you actually oppose sensible and sound economic remediation measures for no good reason other than blind ideology - then its extreme... extremely irresponsible.
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Reply #20 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:34pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:27pm:
I take the view that the threat of climate change is so serious to our way of life - even our very survival - that being so brazenly dismissive of it - when the science is so clear on it - to the extent that you actually oppose sensible and sound economic remediation measures for no good reason other than blind ideology - then its extreme... extremely irresponsible.

And so driving trucks into infidel crowds is way down on your extremes scale.

Pouting about something you do not understand gets you off the hook from murders by your fellow Islamists. Anything for diversion and misdirection.
As if Islam wasn't a serious threat to everyone's way of life.
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Reply #21 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:03pm
 
good point Frank, I don't spend nearly enough time talking about Islam here.
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Reply #22 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:06pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:27pm:
I take the view that the threat of climate change is so serious to our way of life - even our very survival - that being so brazenly dismissive of it - when the science is so clear on it - to the extent that you actually oppose sensible and sound economic remediation measures for no good reason other than blind ideology - then its extreme... extremely irresponsible.


Isn't that the epitome of Islam and what real extremists do in it's name?

This guy was just disagreeing, he was not killing people, all are welcome to point out the errors of his ways without the death sentence being imposed, yet some find his views so extreme they would beat him unconscious, perhaps to death. Are you one of them that find him so extreme?
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Reply #23 - Jan 22nd, 2019 at 2:48pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:06pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:27pm:
I take the view that the threat of climate change is so serious to our way of life - even our very survival - that being so brazenly dismissive of it - when the science is so clear on it - to the extent that you actually oppose sensible and sound economic remediation measures for no good reason other than blind ideology - then its extreme... extremely irresponsible.


Isn't that the epitome of Islam and what real extremists do in it's name?

This guy was just disagreeing, he was not killing people, all are welcome to point out the errors of his ways without the death sentence being imposed, yet some find his views so extreme they would beat him unconscious, perhaps to death. Are you one of them that find him so extreme?


You think I support those who beat him?

I'm pointing out that he belongs to a party that believes we should abandon efforts to mitigate human induced climate change, against all the scientific evidence. I think that is the very defnition of extremist. I'm not saying he can't be extremist - he is a fool if he is, and I absolutely reserve the right to criticise him and anyone else for being an extremist fool - but he has the right to be one, and of course no one has the right to beat him up for being an extremist fool.
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Reply #24 - Jan 22nd, 2019 at 3:22pm
 
What was the name of the coal fired powered stations which caused the end of the ice age?

Now that was real global warming climate change wasn't it?

The idea that it's a natural cycle of the universe is really whacky?
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