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Reply #15 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 10:10am
 
cods wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 8:44am:
have you forgotten labors WHITE BOARD..


The white board is an essential tool for Governing the country Cods???



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Security guards at Parliament House roll out a whiteboard to stop the media filming Michaelia Cash arriving at an estimates committee hearing. Cash used the hearing to unconditionally withdraw the remarks she made in Senate estimates on Wednesday about staff working for the opposition leader, Bill Shorten.


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Reply #16 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 11:03am
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 8:59am:
cods wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 8:44am:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 8:37am:
cods wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 8:08am:
why was he the second longest serving PM



You obviously didnt read the article.

Pissed the mining boom up against the wall with unwarranted tax cuts  and pork barrelling to win elections.

Not to mention all the other crap we still cant afford years later such as

Speaking of tax, Howard introduced the over-60 superannuation tax holiday, other super concessions, family payments to middle-income households, age-based tax concessions, and lots of income-tax breaks for middle to higher-income households. These have been difficult if not impossible to wind back and have increased inequality in Australia.

In short, Howard squandered the mining boom on buying votes and allowing miners to be lightly taxed.


In education, he dramatically increased federal funding to private schools ,which they largely spent on non-educational luxuries. He starved public schools. The result is the worsening scores Australia gets on national and international testing. Again, it has been difficult to unwind because of the demand that "no school should be worse off", which Julia Gillard was forced to accede to.

In health, Howard's government corroded Medicare by misdirecting money into tax deductions for inefficient private health insurance. Again, they are hard to unwind. Howard set the stage for the present return to the 1960s in the health system – one in which many people cannot afford to pay for healthcare.


With infrastructure, Howard was a master of the pork barrel. The regional partnership program was biased towards Coalition and marginal seats. We have mentioned the Defence joint HQ. The priority given to the Alice-to-Darwin railway was another big spend in a marginal seat, instead of being part of the orderly construction of a national rail network in which the Melbourne-Brisbane link was the obvious priority.

Better read the whole article cods!





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have you forgotten labors WHITE BOARD..


SO DID YOU READ IT THOROUGHLY!

ALL PRETTY TRUE YOU WOULD HAVE TO AGREE!

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its got paywall. not interested in the bits you like..
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Reply #17 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 1:18pm
 
That's half of it quoted verbatim... not that hard to follow.. I doubt the rest is going to highly praise Fuhrer Johnnie... that little pr1ck with the huge ego problem and not much to back it up apart from his sense of self-worth....

Been waiting a long time to see that little bastard publicly pilloried for the things he did... now those chickens coming home to roost look like dragons about to fall on his roof...

Just give me one week in government - we'll roll things back to Realityworld and start again...
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"Let's go wider afield. On housing affordability, Howard introduced the capital-gains-tax concession; bolstered the first-home buyers' grant; and boosted immigration – all putting pressure on housing demand. Investor entry into the housing market took off from the moment the capital-gains-tax concession began. We wallow helplessly in the backwash of these idiotic decisions.

Speaking of tax, Howard introduced the over-60 superannuation tax holiday, other super concessions, family payments to middle-income households, age-based tax concessions, and lots of income-tax breaks for middle to higher-income households. These have been difficult if not impossible to wind back and have increased inequality in Australia.

In short, Howard squandered the mining boom on buying votes and allowing miners to be lightly taxed.
In education, he dramatically increased federal funding to private schools ,which they largely spent on non-educational luxuries. He starved public schools. The result is the worsening scores Australia gets on national and international testing. Again, it has been difficult to unwind because of the demand that "no school should be worse off", which Julia Gillard was forced to accede to.

In health, Howard's government corroded Medicare by misdirecting money into tax deductions for inefficient private health insurance. Again, they are hard to unwind. Howard set the stage for the present return to the 1960s in the health system – one in which many people cannot afford to pay for healthcare.

We now bemoan the casualisation of the workforce, underemployment and low wages growth. A lot of that is down to Howard's industrial-relations policies, culminating in WorkChoices.

With infrastructure, Howard was a master of the pork barrel. The regional partnership program was biased towards Coalition and marginal seats. We have mentioned the Defence joint HQ. The priority given to the Alice-to-Darwin railway was another big spend in a marginal seat, instead of being part of the orderly construction of a national rail network in which the Melbourne-Brisbane link was the obvious priority.

The misspend is still sounding in infrastructure deficits today. It took Labor to set up Infrastructure Australia to expose the pork barrels and put a bit of economic rationality into the system.

Howard politicised the public service when he sacked six department heads upon coming into power. Abbott followed suit, It was followed by Abbott when he sacking three when he came into office. Again, a bad Howard precedent becoming the new norm.

In Indigenous affairs, Howard's legacy was the abolition of the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission; the intervention; the failure to say sorry to the stolen generation; and the mishandling of constitutional recognition.

On other iconic questions, he created historic mischief. He divided and ruled on the 1999 republic referendum instead of being a national leader. He demanded his party members vote for an antiquated definition of marriage; we still have division in our society when our English-speaking and European friends and allies have all grown up.

He joined a liberal party when it was what he called a "broad church", then, in power, he systematically removed everything left of the nave and made it the conservative party in which Malcolm Turnbull is having difficulty finding a pew.

Yes, he implemented gun control, but that was fairly easy in a nation just shocked by the largest mass gun murder in history to that date.

Yes, Australia broke records for continuous economic growth, but, again, this was fairly easy after the Hawke-Keating reforms and a mining boom.

Yes, Howard implemented the GST, but it was only half the job that New Zealand did because of the Senate. But Howard did not revisit the tax later when he had a Senate majority.

Returning to energy, Howard followed the US out of the Kyoto agreement. He reluctantly agreed that a carbon tax would be worthwhile but did nothing about it. He encouraged the states to privatise electricity and, in 1998, set up the national electricity market based on market principles – meaning electricity network owners, suppliers and retailers could screw consumers and small business.

In all, a do-nothing ditherer like Turnbull or McMahon is a better proposition than someone who put in train changes which have made Australia a poorer, less equitable place and which have been very difficult to undo.
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Reply #19 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 1:23pm
 
No paywall here...... so here it is in full.... now discuss - I'm off to the club for a beer on this hot, hot day....

"As our agile, innovative, laissez-faire, small-government Prime Minister grapples with the contradictions of regulating gas exports and propping up the dying coal industry with public money, people might ponder anew the question of who has been the worse Coalition prime minister in recent history. Malcolm Turnbull himself? Tony Abbott? Billy McMahon?

No, no and no.

Surely, when you look at history, the distinction must go to John Howard. When you look back, you see that virtually every governmental trouble afflicting Australia now had its genesis in one or another of the Howard government's policies.

Where do we start? Perhaps with one of the worst government decisions made since the Vietnam debacle: the decision to commit Australian forces to the second Iraq War.
In the past fortnight, Fairfax Media revealed proof of what we had already strongly suspected: that Howard led us into Iraq just to please the Americans and that the decision was based on a falsity.

That decision cost a lot of blood and treasure and sucked Australia into the vortex of terrorism. The disclosure of the government's; deliberate reliance on false intelligence also contributed significantly to the corrosive distrust of government – which continues to afflict us. Remember, he was called "mean and tricky" by one of his own team.

It is the new norm. The 2014 budget was mean. Blaming blackouts on renewables is tricky.

The Iraq decision led to the expensive and liberty-reducing "war on terror", which still continues.

Other poor defence decisions of Howard's were the construction of the Defence Headquarters Joint Operations Command in a paddock in the marginal electorate of Eden-Monaro, and joining the troubled United States-led F-35 joint strike fighter program at vast unnecessary cost.


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Reply #21 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 2:27pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 1:35pm:


Struggling with the cold hard facts
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Reply #22 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 2:51pm
 
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I think you are allowed a certain amount of free content per month???

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Reply #23 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 5:31pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 8:08am:
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cods wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 7:54am:
oh dear

another HATE FILLED THREAD FROM THE HATE FILLED LEFT...



Did you actually read the article codsy!

It was all pretty true though as far as I could see.



paywall pet... if he was as bad as the herald claims..

why was he the second longest serving PM....even beating that sad sack Hawke..

no HATE filled lefty ever gives any lib any credit..

you know that..


In 2007, I sat across a dinner table from Tim Fischer, ex-deputy PM.  He and I had a long conversation about Howard and his government.   He agreed with my view that Howard had been in for too long and was likely to be defeated at the next election.   He felt that the Work Choices police was a "policy too far".   He also agreed that Howard should have resigned six month's previously.   No one however saw that Howard would be only the second sitting PM to lose his own seat in an election.  Howard got what he deserved, Cods.

Now, if a Conservative like Fischer who had worked closely with Howard could see Howard's faults, Cods.  Why can't you?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #24 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 5:37pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 5:31pm:
cods wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 8:08am:
Redmond Neck wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 8:01am:
cods wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 7:54am:
oh dear

another HATE FILLED THREAD FROM THE HATE FILLED LEFT...



Did you actually read the article codsy!

It was all pretty true though as far as I could see.



paywall pet... if he was as bad as the herald claims..

why was he the second longest serving PM....even beating that sad sack Hawke..

no HATE filled lefty ever gives any lib any credit..

you know that..


In 2007, I sat across a dinner table from Tim Fischer, ex-deputy PM.  He and I had a long conversation about Howard and his government.   He agreed with my view that Howard had been in for too long and was likely to be defeated at the next election.   He felt that the Work Choices police was a "policy too far".   He also agreed that Howard should have resigned six month's previously.   No one however saw that Howard would be only the second sitting PM to lose his own seat in an election.  Howard got what he deserved, Cods.

Now, if a Conservative like Fischer who had worked closely with Howard could see Howard's faults, Cods.  Why can't you?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Yeah - but Tim Fischer had an MC from Coral 1968, and a mentally disabled son to contend with... not too bad a conservative in many ways.
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Reply #25 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 6:50pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 8:09am:
btw red what Howard done to deserve this????????????

he hasnt been in politics since 2007............

Does he keep his mouth shut? Does he keep out of the media? No, and no.
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Reply #26 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 9:03pm
 
The worst thing that the Howard government did was the unavoidable tax cuts.

This was the reason we came out of the GFC with deficits that have continued to today. Howard had locked in government spending at a higher level than Australia's long term government income expectation.

Howard gave away money in election bribes that was needed to pay the bills.

Had the tax cut money been spent on infrastructure government income would have been around 4% higher and there would have been no deficits coming out of the GFC. 
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Reply #27 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 6:43pm
 
Howard is one of the best PM's we've ever had and this article completely ignores the catastrophe that was the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd2.0 years. Best use for this article is toilet paper. Oh, and by the way, if when you talk about "basher" you're referring to Tony Abbott, you need to get your facts straight. If the accusing woman is to believed (and she still refuses to make her statement on a statutory declaration), then he punched a wall near her. That's a distinction you still seem unable to comprehend. A wall and a person are not the same thing. Surely even a person of diminished IQ would be able to understand that difference!
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Reply #28 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 7:25pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 9:03pm:
The worst thing that the Howard government did was the un-affordable tax cuts.

This was the reason we came out of the GFC with deficits that have continued to today. Howard had locked in government spending at a higher level than Australia's long term government income expectation.

Howard gave away money in election bribes that was needed to pay the bills.

Had the tax cut money been spent on infrastructure government income would have been around 4% higher and there would have been no deficits coming out of the GFC. 


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Reply #29 - Jan 13th, 2019 at 7:37pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jan 13th, 2019 at 6:43pm:
Howard is one of the best PM's we've ever had and this article completely ignores the catastrophe that was the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd2.0 years. Best use for this article is toilet paper. Oh, and by the way, if when you talk about "basher" you're referring to Tony Abbott, you need to get your facts straight. If the accusing woman is to believed (and she still refuses to make her statement on a statutory declaration), then he punched a wall near her. That's a distinction you still seem unable to comprehend. A wall and a person are not the same thing. Surely even a person of diminished IQ would be able to understand that difference!


Which part of article specifically?  Or just all of the article you didn't read  Wink
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