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The real threat of biblical law
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Reply #1 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 5:23pm
 
As nasty a piece of work as the fundamental Muslims and their ideas..... what a clown - anyone who adheres to an ancient book is crazy... you may argue that Jews adhere to the Old Testament, but they are moderated by civilisation and humanity...

This guy is just trying to out-fundamental the Mussos and beat them at their own game...

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Reply #2 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 7:32pm
 
Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy.

If by Biblical law you mean some kind of "Christian" law, you are wrong. Christianity is on the other end of the spectrum to Islam. The very concept of biblical law is antithetical to Christian doctrine.

Which is of course why it is Muslims, not Christians, raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.
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Reply #3 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 9:09pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 7:32pm:
Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy.

If by Biblical law you mean some kind of "Christian" law, you are wrong. Christianity is on the other end of the spectrum to Islam. The very concept of biblical law is antithetical to Christian doctrine.

Which is of course why it is Muslims, not Christians, raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.


The only difference between Christians and Muslims is the fact that many Muslims (i.e the extremists, Taliban, ISIS etc) are willing to use violence to uphold the power of their religion.

Where as most Christians these days prefer to fight their wars in a psychological battlefield (politics) under the guise of "being more civilized".
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Reply #4 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 9:18pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 7:32pm:
Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy.

If by Biblical law you mean some kind of "Christian" law, you are wrong. Christianity is on the other end of the spectrum to Islam. The very concept of biblical law is antithetical to Christian doctrine.

Which is of course why it is Muslims, not Christians, raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.



Hi FD,
that's not quite right.
You'll find that Sharia law is plagiarised directly out of the Old Testament -
which Jesus himself said was still binding.

http://www.evilbible.com/do-not-ignore-the-old-testament/
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Re: The real threat of biblical law
Reply #5 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:30pm
 
The Reboot wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 9:09pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 7:32pm:
Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy.

If by Biblical law you mean some kind of "Christian" law, you are wrong. Christianity is on the other end of the spectrum to Islam. The very concept of biblical law is antithetical to Christian doctrine.

Which is of course why it is Muslims, not Christians, raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.


The only difference between Christians and Muslims is the fact that many Muslims (i.e the extremists, Taliban, ISIS etc) are willing to use violence to uphold the power of their religion.

Where as most Christians these days prefer to fight their wars in a psychological battlefield (politics) under the guise of "being more civilized".


Or bumming the boys at a young age.
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Reply #6 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:31pm
 
Sad Kangaroo wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:30pm:
The Reboot wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 9:09pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 7:32pm:
Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy.

If by Biblical law you mean some kind of "Christian" law, you are wrong. Christianity is on the other end of the spectrum to Islam. The very concept of biblical law is antithetical to Christian doctrine.

Which is of course why it is Muslims, not Christians, raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.


The only difference between Christians and Muslims is the fact that many Muslims (i.e the extremists, Taliban, ISIS etc) are willing to use violence to uphold the power of their religion.

Where as most Christians these days prefer to fight their wars in a psychological battlefield (politics) under the guise of "being more civilized".


Or bumming the boys at a young age.

That too  Grin
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Reply #7 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:37pm
 
Sad Kangaroo wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:30pm:
The Reboot wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 9:09pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 7:32pm:
Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy.

If by Biblical law you mean some kind of "Christian" law, you are wrong. Christianity is on the other end of the spectrum to Islam. The very concept of biblical law is antithetical to Christian doctrine.

Which is of course why it is Muslims, not Christians, raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.


The only difference between Christians and Muslims is the fact that many Muslims (i.e the extremists, Taliban, ISIS etc) are willing to use violence to uphold the power of their religion.

Where as most Christians these days prefer to fight their wars in a psychological battlefield (politics) under the guise of "being more civilized".


Or bumming the boys at a young age.


I think you'll find both religions bum boys at a young age. They have much more in common that their followers would have us believe but it remains true that only one lot are running around the world killing indiscriminately in the name of the one god.
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Reply #8 - Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 7:32pm:
Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy.

If by Biblical law you mean some kind of "Christian" law, you are wrong. Christianity is on the other end of the spectrum to Islam. The very concept of biblical law is antithetical to Christian doctrine.

Which is of course why it is Muslims, not Christians, raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.

Why are there some Christians in the USA openly calling for people to be killed? Did you even read the articles? Denying the problem is not going to make it go away.

It doesn't matter if it's Muslims seeking to impose Sharia law or Christians seeking to impose Biblical law. In both cases, a small minority of fanatics want to kill people in the name of their faith. Both must be opposed with equal vigour.
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Reply #9 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 1:23am
 
Bam wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:53pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 7:32pm:
Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy.

If by Biblical law you mean some kind of "Christian" law, you are wrong. Christianity is on the other end of the spectrum to Islam. The very concept of biblical law is antithetical to Christian doctrine.

Which is of course why it is Muslims, not Christians, raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.

Why are there some Christians in the USA openly calling for people to be killed? Did you even read the articles? Denying the problem is not going to make it go away.

It doesn't matter if it's Muslims seeking to impose Sharia law or Christians seeking to impose Biblical law. In both cases, a small minority of fanatics want to kill people in the name of their faith. Both must be opposed with equal vigour.


There's a huge difference between the two, one of them has wealthy countries that fund them all over the world and are supported in their views by up to 20% of the other >1.2 billion or so adherents, the others are looked on with with disdain by most people of their faith, and will never get their way and do nothing more than talk. One is far more dangerous than the other.
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Reply #10 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 3:08am
 
Judaism (The Father)
Mohommedism (The Son)
Christianity (The Holy Ghost)

Christianity is like a little Gold Ring.
Sauron the Jew is looking for it. After all, he 'created' it.
Gollum the Moslem is looking for it. After all, he 'loves' it.

...and 'love' conquers all.  Wink
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Sad Kangaroo wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:30pm:
The Reboot wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 9:09pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 7:32pm:
Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy.

If by Biblical law you mean some kind of "Christian" law, you are wrong. Christianity is on the other end of the spectrum to Islam. The very concept of biblical law is antithetical to Christian doctrine.

Which is of course why it is Muslims, not Christians, raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.


The only difference between Christians and Muslims is the fact that many Muslims (i.e the extremists, Taliban, ISIS etc) are willing to use violence to uphold the power of their religion.

Where as most Christians these days prefer to fight their wars in a psychological battlefield (politics) under the guise of "being more civilized".


Or bumming the boys at a young age.


Both sides of the equation are good at that .... but ones Prophet did it & condones it ... so they continue & say they're not gay... whilst there is an attempt to rid it from the other.
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Reply #12 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 9:47am
 
The Reboot wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 9:09pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 7:32pm:
Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy.

If by Biblical law you mean some kind of "Christian" law, you are wrong. Christianity is on the other end of the spectrum to Islam. The very concept of biblical law is antithetical to Christian doctrine.

Which is of course why it is Muslims, not Christians, raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.


The only difference between Christians and Muslims is the fact that many Muslims (i.e the extremists, Taliban, ISIS etc) are willing to use violence to uphold the power of their religion.

Where as most Christians these days prefer to fight their wars in a psychological battlefield (politics) under the guise of "being more civilized".


That's a pretty big difference, don't you think? Christians use democracy. Muslims use violence. But other than that, they are identical, right? Do you think one might actually be more civilised?

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You'll find that Sharia law is plagiarised directly out of the Old Testament -
which Jesus himself said was still binding.


How many Jews did Jesus slaughter? How many children did he rape?

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It doesn't matter if it's Muslims seeking to impose Sharia law or Christians seeking to impose Biblical law. In both cases, a small minority of fanatics want to kill people in the name of their faith.


How do you know it is only a tiny minority in the case of Muslims?
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Reply #13 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 12:42pm
 

The document condemns abortion and same-sex marriage and describes how those who don’t follow biblical law should be punished. At one point, the document says,

“If they do not yield, kill all males.”


Oh dear.
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Gnads wrote on Jan 3rd, 2019 at 9:00am:
Sad Kangaroo wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:30pm:
The Reboot wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 9:09pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 7:32pm:
Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy.

If by Biblical law you mean some kind of "Christian" law, you are wrong. Christianity is on the other end of the spectrum to Islam. The very concept of biblical law is antithetical to Christian doctrine.

Which is of course why it is Muslims, not Christians, raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.


The only difference between Christians and Muslims is the fact that many Muslims (i.e the extremists, Taliban, ISIS etc) are willing to use violence to uphold the power of their religion.

Where as most Christians these days prefer to fight their wars in a psychological battlefield (politics) under the guise of "being more civilized".


Or bumming the boys at a young age.


Both sides of the equation are good at that .... but ones Prophet did it & condones it ... so they continue & say they're not gay... whilst there is an attempt to rid it from the other.


It's okay to bum children = Islam
It's not okay, but if you confess your sins and ask for forgiveness then it's okay = Christianity
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Reply #15 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 12:58pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 3rd, 2019 at 12:42pm:
The document condemns abortion and same-sex marriage and describes how those who don’t follow biblical law should be punished. At one point, the document says,

“If they do not yield, kill all males.”


Oh dear.


Not females? Wow, this guy is progressive!
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Bobby,
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You'll find that Sharia law is plagiarised directly out of the Old Testament -
which Jesus himself said was still binding.

FD,
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How many Jews did Jesus slaughter? How many children did he rape?


Jesus said,

" let he who is without sin cast the first stone. "


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Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2019 at 3:40pm:
Bobby,
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You'll find that Sharia law is plagiarised directly out of the Old Testament -
which Jesus himself said was still binding.

FD,
Quote:
How many Jews did Jesus slaughter? How many children did he rape?


Jesus said,

" let he who is without sin cast the first stone. "




Yes, and on that count he was stuffed from the day he was born being spawned out of an adulterous relationship...and a paedo relationship...Mary (the betrothed child bride of Joseph) had with God.
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Reply #19 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 4:52pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 3rd, 2019 at 3:44pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2019 at 3:40pm:
Bobby,
Quote:
You'll find that Sharia law is plagiarised directly out of the Old Testament -
which Jesus himself said was still binding.

FD,
Quote:
How many Jews did Jesus slaughter? How many children did he rape?


Jesus said,

" let he who is without sin cast the first stone. "




Yes, and on that count he was stuffed from the day he was born being spawned out of an adulterous relationship...and a paedo relationship...Mary (the betrothed child bride of Joseph) had with God.


Did you ever pretend to be Santa?

Or are you going to give that a swipe as well?

How about letting people make up their own minds what they believe in, huh?
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Reply #20 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 4:57pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 3rd, 2019 at 3:44pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 3rd, 2019 at 3:40pm:
Bobby,
Quote:
You'll find that Sharia law is plagiarised directly out of the Old Testament -
which Jesus himself said was still binding.

FD,
Quote:
How many Jews did Jesus slaughter? How many children did he rape?


Jesus said,

" let he who is without sin cast the first stone. "




Yes, and on that count he was stuffed from the day he was born being spawned out of an adulterous relationship...and a paedo relationship...Mary (the betrothed child bride of Joseph) had with God.


In the ultimate feat of hypocrisy, Aussie holds this against Jesus while demanding proof of the historical record of Muhammad's rape and pillage.
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Reply #21 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 5:22pm
 
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In the ultimate feat of hypocrisy, Aussie holds this against Jesus while demanding proof of the historical record of Muhammad's rape and pillage.


Yes, a fair cop (one I anticipated was coming) in one sense. 

However, I am entitled to compare and contrast.  You get up Islam and Mo because of paedo schit, so I am firing back with Christian/God paedo schit.  Sure, some Book says Mo wiped out some Jews...another Book says God wiped out some Egyptians.

I don't believe either. Why do you Effendi?
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Aussie wrote on Jan 3rd, 2019 at 5:22pm:
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In the ultimate feat of hypocrisy, Aussie holds this against Jesus while demanding proof of the historical record of Muhammad's rape and pillage.


Yes, a fair cop (one I anticipated was coming) in one sense. 

However, I am entitled to compare and contrast.  You get up Islam and Mo because of paedo schit, so I am firing back with Christian/God paedo schit.  Sure, some Book says Mo wiped out some Jews...another Book says God wiped out some Egyptians.

I don't believe either. Why do you Effendi?

So a 'natural' event or military victory attributed to god is the same , morally, a a warlord executing hundreds because of his self-made and so self-justifying doctrines? Not even you can say that with a straight face.

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Reply #23 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 7:07pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 3rd, 2019 at 6:53pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 3rd, 2019 at 5:22pm:
Quote:
In the ultimate feat of hypocrisy, Aussie holds this against Jesus while demanding proof of the historical record of Muhammad's rape and pillage.


Yes, a fair cop (one I anticipated was coming) in one sense. 

However, I am entitled to compare and contrast.  You get up Islam and Mo because of paedo schit, so I am firing back with Christian/God paedo schit.  Sure, some Book says Mo wiped out some Jews...another Book says God wiped out some Egyptians.

I don't believe either. Why do you Effendi?

So a 'natural' event or military victory attributed to god is the same , morally, a a warlord executing hundreds because of his self-made and so self-justifying doctrines? Not even you can say that with a straight face.



Come on Sore End.  What does it matter what the weapon was?  It is said that God used a plague to wipe out Egyptian first borns, no matter the age....(he was a fan of curses you know).....Mo was far more up front using numerical and physical might to slice up Jewish combatants.

Allegedly.
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Reply #24 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 8:02pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 3rd, 2019 at 7:07pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 3rd, 2019 at 6:53pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 3rd, 2019 at 5:22pm:
Quote:
In the ultimate feat of hypocrisy, Aussie holds this against Jesus while demanding proof of the historical record of Muhammad's rape and pillage.


Yes, a fair cop (one I anticipated was coming) in one sense. 

However, I am entitled to compare and contrast.  You get up Islam and Mo because of paedo schit, so I am firing back with Christian/God paedo schit.  Sure, some Book says Mo wiped out some Jews...another Book says God wiped out some Egyptians.

I don't believe either. Why do you Effendi?

So a 'natural' event or military victory attributed to god is the same , morally, a a warlord executing hundreds because of his self-made and so self-justifying doctrines? Not even you can say that with a straight face.



Come on Sore End.  What does it matter what the weapon was?  It is said that God used a plague to wipe out Egyptian first borns, no matter the age....(he was a fan of curses you know).....Mo was far more up front using numerical and physical might to slice up Jewish combatants.

Allegedly.


So one lot giving credit to their sky fairy for killing multitudes is the same as the other lot actually killing for their sky fairy?

If you want to compare apples with apples, go look in Judges rather than Exodus.
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Nope. That is not my mission.  Mo hacked to death some Jews...allegedly....God killed off the first born Egyptian male..and that was just one of his alleged ten curses.....famine, pestulence etc.

So, what was your point?
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Nope. That is not my mission.  Mo hacked to death some Jews...allegedly....God killed off the first born Egyptian male..and that was just one of his alleged ten curses.....famine, pestulence etc.

So, what was your point?


Ascribing some natural phenomena to god or going out and doing something in the name of god are two different things.

If you want to compare apples to apples, look in Judges where the Jews go out and kill in the name of their god.
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Reply #27 - Jan 3rd, 2019 at 8:52pm
 
Jesus didn't slaughter anyone. Or rape any children.

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Yes, a fair cop (one I anticipated was coming) in one sense. 

However, I am entitled to compare and contrast.


Of course. Don't let a little glaring hypocrisy stand in the way of your defense of Islamic extremism. Just fall back on the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Will Greggy's blasphemy be allowed?

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Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 3rd, 2019 at 1:23am:
Bam wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:53pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 7:32pm:
Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy.

If by Biblical law you mean some kind of "Christian" law, you are wrong. Christianity is on the other end of the spectrum to Islam. The very concept of biblical law is antithetical to Christian doctrine.

Which is of course why it is Muslims, not Christians, raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.

Why are there some Christians in the USA openly calling for people to be killed? Did you even read the articles? Denying the problem is not going to make it go away.

It doesn't matter if it's Muslims seeking to impose Sharia law or Christians seeking to impose Biblical law. In both cases, a small minority of fanatics want to kill people in the name of their faith. Both must be opposed with equal vigour.


There's a huge difference between the two, one of them has wealthy countries that fund them all over the world and are supported in their views by up to 20% of the other >1.2 billion or so adherents, the others are looked on with with disdain by most people of their faith, and will never get their way and do nothing more than talk. One is far more dangerous than the other.

The problem with your post: it's not possible to tell which group of dangerous fanatics is which.
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Reply #30 - Jan 5th, 2019 at 8:46pm
 
Bam wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 3rd, 2019 at 1:23am:
Bam wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:53pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 7:32pm:
Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy.

If by Biblical law you mean some kind of "Christian" law, you are wrong. Christianity is on the other end of the spectrum to Islam. The very concept of biblical law is antithetical to Christian doctrine.

Which is of course why it is Muslims, not Christians, raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.

Why are there some Christians in the USA openly calling for people to be killed? Did you even read the articles? Denying the problem is not going to make it go away.

It doesn't matter if it's Muslims seeking to impose Sharia law or Christians seeking to impose Biblical law. In both cases, a small minority of fanatics want to kill people in the name of their faith. Both must be opposed with equal vigour.


There's a huge difference between the two, one of them has wealthy countries that fund them all over the world and are supported in their views by up to 20% of the other >1.2 billion or so adherents, the others are looked on with with disdain by most people of their faith, and will never get their way and do nothing more than talk. One is far more dangerous than the other.

The problem with your post: it's not possible to tell which group of dangerous fanatics is which.


True and seeing as Islam has a higher percentage, up to 25% of 1.8 billion that think extremism is OK, which should we be more concerned about? We don't have Christians going around the world killing people as much as some like to run at the mouth, on the other hand...

Tell me which is more of a threat.
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Looney tunes always take the most violent parts out of a religion any religion and claim it for themselves.


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Ajax wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:35am:
Bam wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 5:02pm:


Looney tunes always take the most violent parts out of a religion any religion and claim it for themselves.





I condemn any calls for violence  there is no excuse for it.....

are there no laws in Amerika  to prevent people doing just that????

we can all stand on our soap boxes and spew HATE and Killing....and wind up the extremist out there to follow through with it...

I am shocked this is allowed in Amerika. Angry

no wonder the country is sinking into hell.



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Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 8:46pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 3rd, 2019 at 1:23am:
Bam wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:53pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 7:32pm:
Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy.

If by Biblical law you mean some kind of "Christian" law, you are wrong. Christianity is on the other end of the spectrum to Islam. The very concept of biblical law is antithetical to Christian doctrine.

Which is of course why it is Muslims, not Christians, raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.

Why are there some Christians in the USA openly calling for people to be killed? Did you even read the articles? Denying the problem is not going to make it go away.

It doesn't matter if it's Muslims seeking to impose Sharia law or Christians seeking to impose Biblical law. In both cases, a small minority of fanatics want to kill people in the name of their faith. Both must be opposed with equal vigour.


There's a huge difference between the two, one of them has wealthy countries that fund them all over the world and are supported in their views by up to 20% of the other >1.2 billion or so adherents, the others are looked on with with disdain by most people of their faith, and will never get their way and do nothing more than talk. One is far more dangerous than the other.

The problem with your post: it's not possible to tell which group of dangerous fanatics is which.


True and seeing as Islam has a higher percentage, up to 25% of 1.8 billion that think extremism is OK, which should we be more concerned about? We don't have Christians going around the world killing people as much as some like to run at the mouth, on the other hand...

Tell me which is more of a threat.

That is a silly argument full of fallacies. Christian terrorism is different - cross burnings, murders of specific people, massacres of people in their places of worship, bombings and so on: many targeted attacks killing and injuring small numbers of people, rather than indiscriminate attacks that kill hundreds or more.

In the USA, Christian terrorists are the bigger threat by number of attacks (far right terrorism is the biggest threat), and if dangerous Christian fanaticism was allowed to spread, it would be a danger elsewhere. Christianity and the far right is a particularly dangerous combination.

Islamic fanaticism has about a 30-year to 40-year head start on Christian fanaticism, but that doesn't mean Christian fanaticism isn't a threat. For example, more terrorist attacks in the USA have been perpetuated by Christians than Muslims in the past 30 years. Muslims have the single most deadly attack of course, but don't make the mistake of assuming from that that Muslims also hold down positions 2 to 10 on a list of top 10 deadliest attacks on US soil. They don't.

We should not make the mistake of ignoring the threat of Christian terrorism, Islamic terrorism, far right terrorism or any other known threat. We need to be mindful of all known threats, not just pick one and ignore the rest.
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cods wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 10:06am:
Ajax wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:35am:
Bam wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 5:02pm:


Looney tunes always take the most violent parts out of a religion any religion and claim it for themselves.





I condemn any calls for violence  there is no excuse for it.....

are there no laws in Amerika  to prevent people doing just that????

we can all stand on our soap boxes and spew HATE and Killing....and wind up the extremist out there to follow through with it...

I am shocked this is allowed in Amerika. Angry

no wonder the country is sinking into hell.




It will happen here under "ScoMo", seeing as "religious freedom" is a priority.

But the only alternative is little Billy Shorten.

We are doomed. Doomed I say!
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True and seeing as Islam has a higher percentage, up to 25% of 1.8 billion that think extremism is OK


What makes you think it is only 25%?




Good question but I would speculate
that the number of radical Muslims in the world is less than 1%.
By radical, I mean the real psycho killers as in ISIS.
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Shea, a lawyer, has said the document was merely a summary of sermon notes based on the Old Testament

Luke 16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

Romans 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galatians 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Galatians 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Anyone who follows Christ knows that the Old Testament law is done away with, Christ died for the sins of mankind, man is now justified by faith alone.

It's funny how the apologists for islam always skip these facts, while trying to excuse a cult which believes in pedophilia rape torture and mass murder.

why do these apologists do this?

Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

So it appears that the real Christians will just have their faith strengthened by the sniveling and sneaking of the apologists for islam.
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Anyone who follows Christ knows that the Old Testament law is done away with, Christ died for the sins of mankind, man is now justified by faith alone.


Shea does not believe that and neither do Jews.
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What part of Anyone who follows Christ knows that the Old Testament law is done away with is beyond you?

Do we really have to keep repeating the obvious a zillion times?
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Reply #40 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 4:17pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 4:12pm:
What part of Anyone who follows Christ knows that the Old Testament law is done away with is beyond you?

Do we really have to keep repeating the obvious a zillion times?



But the owner of this website disagrees with you:
http://www.evilbible.com/do-not-ignore-the-old-testament/




1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.  Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)  Clearly the Old Testament is to be obeyed until the end of human existence itself.  None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever.  “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets.  He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.  “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.  Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

3b) “All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)
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Bobby do you know the difference between the law and the commandments?

Do you dispute that Christians believe that Christ came to fulfill the law?

Do you dispute that Christ himself said that he had come to fulfill the law?

The law was fulfilled by the death of Christ.

Fulfilled means; 1/. complete successfully, bring to a successful conclusion.

So for Christians the O.T. law has been concluded sucessfully. Mankind is now justified by faith not the law.

The commandments are eternal not the law.
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Reply #42 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 4:34pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 4:17pm:
moses wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 4:12pm:
What part of Anyone who follows Christ knows that the Old Testament law is done away with is beyond you?

Do we really have to keep repeating the obvious a zillion times?



But the owner of this website disagrees with you:
http://www.evilbible.com/do-not-ignore-the-old-testament/




1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.  Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)  Clearly the Old Testament is to be obeyed until the end of human existence itself.  None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever.  “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets.  He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.  “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.  Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

3b) “All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)


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Reply #43 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 4:37pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 4:31pm:
Bobby do you know the difference between the law and the commandments?

Do you dispute that Christians believe that Christ came to fulfill the law?

Do you dispute that Christ himself said that he had come to fulfill the law?

The law was fulfilled by the death of Christ.

Fulfilled means; 1/. complete successfully, bring to a successful conclusion.

So for Christians the O.T. law has been concluded sucessfully. Mankind is now justified by faith not the law.

The commandments are eternal not the law.


Not all Christians hold the same happy-clappy beliefs you do, Moses.  You are not the real authority on Christ and his teachings - only the Pope is, as leader of the true and apostolic church.   You are a nobody, johnny-come-lately who is hypocritical - you don't even obey the very commandments and doctrine that you proclaim.   Something I have proved time and time again.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Oh boy here comes old forked tongue to back up the argument that people who make up their own doctrine and depart from the words of Christ, are the real true Christians
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Oh boy here comes old forked tongue to back up the argument that people who make up their own doctrine and depart from the words of Christ, are the real true Christians


Run along, hypocrit, run along.  I can hear your friends down in the basement calling you.  They're about to commence a Black Mass which you're expected to participate.  You preach the Devil's words and you practice the Devil's arts (and no doubt, listen to the Devil's music too)!   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Bam wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 10:48am:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 8:46pm:
Bam wrote on Jan 5th, 2019 at 8:26pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 3rd, 2019 at 1:23am:
Bam wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 11:53pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 2nd, 2019 at 7:32pm:
Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy.

If by Biblical law you mean some kind of "Christian" law, you are wrong. Christianity is on the other end of the spectrum to Islam. The very concept of biblical law is antithetical to Christian doctrine.

Which is of course why it is Muslims, not Christians, raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.

Why are there some Christians in the USA openly calling for people to be killed? Did you even read the articles? Denying the problem is not going to make it go away.

It doesn't matter if it's Muslims seeking to impose Sharia law or Christians seeking to impose Biblical law. In both cases, a small minority of fanatics want to kill people in the name of their faith. Both must be opposed with equal vigour.


There's a huge difference between the two, one of them has wealthy countries that fund them all over the world and are supported in their views by up to 20% of the other >1.2 billion or so adherents, the others are looked on with with disdain by most people of their faith, and will never get their way and do nothing more than talk. One is far more dangerous than the other.

The problem with your post: it's not possible to tell which group of dangerous fanatics is which.


True and seeing as Islam has a higher percentage, up to 25% of 1.8 billion that think extremism is OK, which should we be more concerned about? We don't have Christians going around the world killing people as much as some like to run at the mouth, on the other hand...

Tell me which is more of a threat.

That is a silly argument full of fallacies. Christian terrorism is different - cross burnings, murders of specific people, massacres of people in their places of worship, bombings and so on: many targeted attacks killing and injuring small numbers of people, rather than indiscriminate attacks that kill hundreds or more.

In the USA, Christian terrorists are the bigger threat by number of attacks (far right terrorism is the biggest threat), and if dangerous Christian fanaticism was allowed to spread, it would be a danger elsewhere. Christianity and the far right is a particularly dangerous combination.

Islamic fanaticism has about a 30-year to 40-year head start on Christian fanaticism, but that doesn't mean Christian fanaticism isn't a threat. For example, more terrorist attacks in the USA have been perpetuated by Christians than Muslims in the past 30 years. Muslims have the single most deadly attack of course, but don't make the mistake of assuming from that that Muslims also hold down positions 2 to 10 on a list of top 10 deadliest attacks on US soil. They don't.

We should not make the mistake of ignoring the threat of Christian terrorism, Islamic terrorism, far right terrorism or any other known threat. We need to be mindful of all known threats, not just pick one and ignore the rest.


I never said to worry about just one although it makes sense to pay particular interest to the one that kills the most people around the world, don't you think? You seem to be only using the US for your argument.
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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
moses wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 4:31pm:
Bobby do you know the difference between the law and the commandments?

Do you dispute that Christians believe that Christ came to fulfill the law?

Do you dispute that Christ himself said that he had come to fulfill the law?

The law was fulfilled by the death of Christ.

Fulfilled means; 1/. complete successfully, bring to a successful conclusion.

So for Christians the O.T. law has been concluded sucessfully. Mankind is now justified by faith not the law.

The commandments are eternal not the law.


Not all Christians hold the same happy-clappy beliefs you do, Moses.  You are not the real authority on Christ and his teachings - only the Pope is, as leader of the true and apostolic church.   You are a nobody, johnny-come-lately who is hypocritical - you don't even obey the very commandments and doctrine that you proclaim.   Something I have proved time and time again.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The Pope the only authority? Grin

And leader of the Apostolic Church? Grin

What happened to CATHOLICISM & being head of the Catholic Church/religion?   Shocked

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freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:57am:
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True and seeing as Islam has a higher percentage, up to 25% of 1.8 billion that think extremism is OK


What makes you think it is only 25%?




Good question but I would speculate
that the number of radical Muslims in the world is less than 1%.
By radical, I mean the real psycho killers as in ISIS.


Speculate again. You're way off anywhere near close.
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Bobby do you know the difference between the law and the commandments?

Do you dispute that Christians believe that Christ came to fulfill the law?

Do you dispute that Christ himself said that he had come to fulfill the law?

The law was fulfilled by the death of Christ.

Fulfilled means; 1/. complete successfully, bring to a successful conclusion.

So for Christians the O.T. law has been concluded sucessfully. Mankind is now justified by faith not the law.

The commandments are eternal not the law.



You could read the Bible that way but the author
of the linked website is a theologian so not everyone reads it your way.
As a Theologian they are definitely more qualified than me -
what about you?
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Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 4:34pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 4:17pm:
moses wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 4:12pm:
What part of Anyone who follows Christ knows that the Old Testament law is done away with is beyond you?

Do we really have to keep repeating the obvious a zillion times?



But the owner of this website disagrees with you:
http://www.evilbible.com/do-not-ignore-the-old-testament/




1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.  Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)  Clearly the Old Testament is to be obeyed until the end of human existence itself.  None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever.  “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets.  He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.  “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.  Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

3b) “All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)


'An inconvenient truth."




It is a bit inconvenient for readers of the Bible.

It doesn't seem to make much sense does it?
What was the point of Jesus turning up if nothing changed as a result?
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True and seeing as Islam has a higher percentage, up to 25% of 1.8 billion that think extremism is OK


What makes you think it is only 25%?




Good question but I would speculate
that the number of radical Muslims in the world is less than 1%.
By radical, I mean the real psycho killers as in ISIS.


What about the ones who want to stone their cheating child brides to death and kill the apostates in a nice civilised manner?
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Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:57am:
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True and seeing as Islam has a higher percentage, up to 25% of 1.8 billion that think extremism is OK


What makes you think it is only 25%?




Good question but I would speculate
that the number of radical Muslims in the world is less than 1%.
By radical, I mean the real psycho killers as in ISIS.


What about the ones who want to stone their cheating child brides to death and kill the apostates in a nice civilised manner?



I think we can only speculate as to how many crazies there are.


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Probably because a bunch of wankers were wandering around in ancient Arabia promising a Superstar would turn up.  So....along came Jesus.  He'll do.....they said.  Let's deify that wanker.  Make him walk on water and feed zillions with SFA etc.

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Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:13pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 3:13pm:
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True and seeing as Islam has a higher percentage, up to 25% of 1.8 billion that think extremism is OK


What makes you think it is only 25%?




Good question but I would speculate
that the number of radical Muslims in the world is less than 1%.
By radical, I mean the real psycho killers as in ISIS.


What about the ones who want to stone their cheating child brides to death and kill the apostates in a nice civilised manner?



I think we can only speculate as to how many crazies there are.


Speculate:
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There is no need to speculate Bobby.
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Reply #56 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:25pm
 
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Probably because a bunch of wankers were wandering around in ancient Arabia promising a Superstar would turn up.  So....along came Jesus.  He'll do.....they said.  Let's deify that wanker.  Make him walk on water and feed zillions with SFA etc.

It's all horseshit Bobby.



Like this:

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Reply #57 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:16pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:13pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:57am:
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True and seeing as Islam has a higher percentage, up to 25% of 1.8 billion that think extremism is OK


What makes you think it is only 25%?




Good question but I would speculate
that the number of radical Muslims in the world is less than 1%.
By radical, I mean the real psycho killers as in ISIS.


What about the ones who want to stone their cheating child brides to death and kill the apostates in a nice civilised manner?



I think we can only speculate as to how many crazies there are.


Speculate:
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There is no need to speculate Bobby.



The burden of proof is upon Ye.
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Reply #58 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:41pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
Probably because a bunch of wankers were wandering around in ancient Arabia promising a Superstar would turn up.  So....along came Jesus.  He'll do.....they said.  Let's deify that wanker.  Make him walk on water and feed zillions with SFA etc.

It's all horseshit Bobby.


The Levant is not Arabia. You have been informed of this before but your ignorance of geography has not changed, perhaps because it would interfere with your plan to give all the middle east to Arabs. Do you think Persia should be given to Arabs too? After all they share a religion with them.
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Reply #59 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:46pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:25pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:16pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:13pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:57am:
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True and seeing as Islam has a higher percentage, up to 25% of 1.8 billion that think extremism is OK


What makes you think it is only 25%?




Good question but I would speculate
that the number of radical Muslims in the world is less than 1%.
By radical, I mean the real psycho killers as in ISIS.


What about the ones who want to stone their cheating child brides to death and kill the apostates in a nice civilised manner?



I think we can only speculate as to how many crazies there are.


Speculate:
form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.


There is no need to speculate Bobby.



The burden of proof is upon Ye.


The Pew society has done surveys. We have had many threads about them here. In the two largest Muslim nations (Indonesia and Malaysia), the majority of Muslims support the death penalty for things any reasonable person does not consider a crime.
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Choo Choo.....Were they speaking in Arabic there or just Hebrew?
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Choo Choo.....Were they speaking in Arabic there or just Hebrew?


When Arsie? Is a language a race?
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Reply #62 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:53pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:25pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:16pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:13pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:57am:
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True and seeing as Islam has a higher percentage, up to 25% of 1.8 billion that think extremism is OK


What makes you think it is only 25%?




Good question but I would speculate
that the number of radical Muslims in the world is less than 1%.
By radical, I mean the real psycho killers as in ISIS.


What about the ones who want to stone their cheating child brides to death and kill the apostates in a nice civilised manner?



I think we can only speculate as to how many crazies there are.


Speculate:
form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.


There is no need to speculate Bobby.



The burden of proof is upon Ye.


The Pew society has done surveys. We have had many threads about them here. In the two largest Muslim nations (Indonesia and Malaysia), the majority of Muslims support the death penalty for things any reasonable person does not consider a crime.



Apostasy?
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Reply #63 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:56pm
 
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:41pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
Probably because a bunch of wankers were wandering around in ancient Arabia promising a Superstar would turn up.  So....along came Jesus.  He'll do.....they said.  Let's deify that wanker.  Make him walk on water and feed zillions with SFA etc.

It's all horseshit Bobby.


The Levant is not Arabia. You have been informed of this before but your ignorance of geography has not changed, perhaps because it would interfere with your plan to give all the middle east to Arabs. Do you think Persia should be given to Arabs too? After all they share a religion with them.


https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Levant

The Levant is a term in geography that refers to an area in the Middle East which includes the historic areas of Palestine, Israel and Syria.

The Levant is bounded by the Taurus Mountains to the north, the Mediterranean Sea to the west, the northern Arabian Desert to the south and Upper Mesopotamia to the east.


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Reply #64 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:00pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:53pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:25pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:16pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:13pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:57am:
Quote:
True and seeing as Islam has a higher percentage, up to 25% of 1.8 billion that think extremism is OK


What makes you think it is only 25%?




Good question but I would speculate
that the number of radical Muslims in the world is less than 1%.
By radical, I mean the real psycho killers as in ISIS.


What about the ones who want to stone their cheating child brides to death and kill the apostates in a nice civilised manner?



I think we can only speculate as to how many crazies there are.


Speculate:
form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.


There is no need to speculate Bobby.



The burden of proof is upon Ye.


The Pew society has done surveys. We have had many threads about them here. In the two largest Muslim nations (Indonesia and Malaysia), the majority of Muslims support the death penalty for things any reasonable person does not consider a crime.



Apostasy?


From memory, it was apostasy and adultery.
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Reply #65 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:01pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:56pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:41pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
Probably because a bunch of wankers were wandering around in ancient Arabia promising a Superstar would turn up.  So....along came Jesus.  He'll do.....they said.  Let's deify that wanker.  Make him walk on water and feed zillions with SFA etc.

It's all horseshit Bobby.


The Levant is not Arabia. You have been informed of this before but your ignorance of geography has not changed, perhaps because it would interfere with your plan to give all the middle east to Arabs. Do you think Persia should be given to Arabs too? After all they share a religion with them.


https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Levant

The Levant is a term in geography that refers to an area in the Middle East which includes the historic areas of Palestine, Israel and Syria.

The Levant is bounded by the Taurus Mountains to the north, the Mediterranean Sea to the west, the northern Arabian Desert to the south and Upper Mesopotamia to the east.


https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Levant#/media/File:The_Levant_3.png


He probably thinks Turkey should be given to the Arabs too but I think it should be given to whoever owns Siberia or perhaps China, because that's where their language comes from.
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Reply #66 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:00pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:53pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:46pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:25pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:16pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:13pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:57am:
Quote:
True and seeing as Islam has a higher percentage, up to 25% of 1.8 billion that think extremism is OK


What makes you think it is only 25%?




Good question but I would speculate
that the number of radical Muslims in the world is less than 1%.
By radical, I mean the real psycho killers as in ISIS.


What about the ones who want to stone their cheating child brides to death and kill the apostates in a nice civilised manner?



I think we can only speculate as to how many crazies there are.


Speculate:
form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence.


There is no need to speculate Bobby.



The burden of proof is upon Ye.


The Pew society has done surveys. We have had many threads about them here. In the two largest Muslim nations (Indonesia and Malaysia), the majority of Muslims support the death penalty for things any reasonable person does not consider a crime.



Apostasy?


From memory, it was apostasy and adultery.



Killing someone because they don't believe in your sky fairy is outrageous.


However - I was referring to the psycho killers in ISIS.
It's different isn't it?
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Reply #67 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:08pm
 
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:01pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:56pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:41pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
Probably because a bunch of wankers were wandering around in ancient Arabia promising a Superstar would turn up.  So....along came Jesus.  He'll do.....they said.  Let's deify that wanker.  Make him walk on water and feed zillions with SFA etc.

It's all horseshit Bobby.


The Levant is not Arabia. You have been informed of this before but your ignorance of geography has not changed, perhaps because it would interfere with your plan to give all the middle east to Arabs. Do you think Persia should be given to Arabs too? After all they share a religion with them.


https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Levant

The Levant is a term in geography that refers to an area in the Middle East which includes the historic areas of Palestine, Israel and Syria.

The Levant is bounded by the Taurus Mountains to the north, the Mediterranean Sea to the west, the northern Arabian Desert to the south and Upper Mesopotamia to the east.


https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Levant#/media/File:The_Levant_3.png


He probably thinks Turkey should be given to the Arabs too but I think it should be given to whoever owns Siberia or perhaps China, because that's where their language comes from.



Look at the map - it includes Saudi Arabia.
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Reply #68 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:11pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:08pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:01pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:56pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:41pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
Probably because a bunch of wankers were wandering around in ancient Arabia promising a Superstar would turn up.  So....along came Jesus.  He'll do.....they said.  Let's deify that wanker.  Make him walk on water and feed zillions with SFA etc.

It's all horseshit Bobby.


The Levant is not Arabia. You have been informed of this before but your ignorance of geography has not changed, perhaps because it would interfere with your plan to give all the middle east to Arabs. Do you think Persia should be given to Arabs too? After all they share a religion with them.


https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Levant

The Levant is a term in geography that refers to an area in the Middle East which includes the historic areas of Palestine, Israel and Syria.

The Levant is bounded by the Taurus Mountains to the north, the Mediterranean Sea to the west, the northern Arabian Desert to the south and Upper Mesopotamia to the east.


https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Levant#/media/File:The_Levant_3.png


He probably thinks Turkey should be given to the Arabs too but I think it should be given to whoever owns Siberia or perhaps China, because that's where their language comes from.



Look at the map - it includes Saudi Arabia.


I suggest you look again.
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Reply #69 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:12pm
 
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:11pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:08pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:01pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:56pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:41pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
Probably because a bunch of wankers were wandering around in ancient Arabia promising a Superstar would turn up.  So....along came Jesus.  He'll do.....they said.  Let's deify that wanker.  Make him walk on water and feed zillions with SFA etc.

It's all horseshit Bobby.


The Levant is not Arabia. You have been informed of this before but your ignorance of geography has not changed, perhaps because it would interfere with your plan to give all the middle east to Arabs. Do you think Persia should be given to Arabs too? After all they share a religion with them.


https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Levant

The Levant is a term in geography that refers to an area in the Middle East which includes the historic areas of Palestine, Israel and Syria.

The Levant is bounded by the Taurus Mountains to the north, the Mediterranean Sea to the west, the northern Arabian Desert to the south and Upper Mesopotamia to the east.


https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Levant#/media/File:The_Levant_3.png


He probably thinks Turkey should be given to the Arabs too but I think it should be given to whoever owns Siberia or perhaps China, because that's where their language comes from.



Look at the map - it includes Saudi Arabia.


I suggest you look again.



It includes a bit of it.
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Reply #70 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:15pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:12pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:11pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:08pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:01pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:56pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:41pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
Probably because a bunch of wankers were wandering around in ancient Arabia promising a Superstar would turn up.  So....along came Jesus.  He'll do.....they said.  Let's deify that wanker.  Make him walk on water and feed zillions with SFA etc.

It's all horseshit Bobby.


The Levant is not Arabia. You have been informed of this before but your ignorance of geography has not changed, perhaps because it would interfere with your plan to give all the middle east to Arabs. Do you think Persia should be given to Arabs too? After all they share a religion with them.


https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Levant

The Levant is a term in geography that refers to an area in the Middle East which includes the historic areas of Palestine, Israel and Syria.

The Levant is bounded by the Taurus Mountains to the north, the Mediterranean Sea to the west, the northern Arabian Desert to the south and Upper Mesopotamia to the east.


https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Levant#/media/File:The_Levant_3.png


He probably thinks Turkey should be given to the Arabs too but I think it should be given to whoever owns Siberia or perhaps China, because that's where their language comes from.



Look at the map - it includes Saudi Arabia.


I suggest you look again.



It includes a bit of it.


Read what you posted above. "The Levant is bounded by..."
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Reply #71 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:18pm
 
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Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:46pm:
Choo Choo.....Were they speaking in Arabic there or just Hebrew?


When Arsie? Is a language a race?


No, it's not Choo Choo.  But if I were to speak Arabic and only Arabic, it's a fair bet I am from the land I call Arabia.  You might have other ways of defining it, but that will do me.
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Reply #72 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:25pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:18pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:48pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:46pm:
Choo Choo.....Were they speaking in Arabic there or just Hebrew?


When Arsie? Is a language a race?


No, it's not Choo Choo.  But if I were to speak Arabic and only Arabic, it's a fair bet I am from the land I call Arabia.  You might have other ways of defining it, but that will do me.


If I were to speak English, which I do, is it just as a fair bet I come from England? If I come from Morocco does that mean Morocco is in Arabia? Egypt? Your definition is severely flawed, arsie.
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Reply #73 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:33pm
 
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:25pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:18pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:48pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:46pm:
Choo Choo.....Were they speaking in Arabic there or just Hebrew?


When Arsie? Is a language a race?


No, it's not Choo Choo.  But if I were to speak Arabic and only Arabic, it's a fair bet I am from the land I call Arabia.  You might have other ways of defining it, but that will do me.


If I were to speak English, which I do, is it just as a fair bet I come from England? If I come from Morocco does that mean Morocco is in Arabia? Egypt? Your definition is severely flawed, arsie.




If you speak Arabic....and ONLY Arabic, so far as I am concerned you are from what I call Arabia.
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Oh....and if you have a few hours to spare....watch:

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Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:33pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:25pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:18pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:48pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:46pm:
Choo Choo.....Were they speaking in Arabic there or just Hebrew?


When Arsie? Is a language a race?


No, it's not Choo Choo.  But if I were to speak Arabic and only Arabic, it's a fair bet I am from the land I call Arabia.  You might have other ways of defining it, but that will do me.


If I were to speak English, which I do, is it just as a fair bet I come from England? If I come from Morocco does that mean Morocco is in Arabia? Egypt? Your definition is severely flawed, arsie.




If you speak Arabic....and ONLY Arabic, so far as I am concerned you are from what I call Arabia.


What? So no-one in Arabia speaks any other language? And if they don't speak only Arabic they are not in Arabia? If I only speak English I must come from England. You do realise how stupid your reasoning is, don't you? No, of course you don't, it all makes complete sense to you and yet you expect people to take you seriously.
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Christ you are a cock head of the first order.  My point is obvious...as obvious as the obvious flaws.....but only a prick looking to be a prick does the stupid crap any clusterfuq can do.

Go and watch the Movie.  It is based on historical fact.

Arabia....anyone of my generation knows exactly what I mean.
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Christ you are a cock head of the first order.  My point is obvious...as obvious as the obvious flaws.....but only a prick looking to be a prick does the stupid crap any clusterfuq can do.

Go and watch the Movie.  It is based on historical fact.

Arabia....anyone of my generation knows exactly what I mean.


Don't be a total dick and I've seen the movie thanks and it's irrelevant. Your irrational language thing is absolute garbage and you know it hence nothing but ad hom as a response. You've lost the plot.

Check out the size of Arabia!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_where_Arabic_is_an_official_lang...
None of them are 100% Arabic speaking. Arabic is a language, not an ethnicity.
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See post # 73.  /End.  You have your Arabia, I'll have mine.
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Reply #79 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 10:23pm
 
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 9:08pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:52pm:
Christ you are a cock head of the first order.  My point is obvious...as obvious as the obvious flaws.....but only a prick looking to be a prick does the stupid crap any clusterfuq can do.

Go and watch the Movie.  It is based on historical fact.

Arabia....anyone of my generation knows exactly what I mean.


Don't be a total dick and I've seen the movie thanks and it's irrelevant. Your irrational language thing is absolute garbage and you know it hence nothing but ad hom as a response. You've lost the plot.

Check out the size of Arabia!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_where_Arabic_is_an_official_lang...
None of them are 100% Arabic speaking. Arabic is a language, not an ethnicity.



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Reply #80 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 12:45pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:33pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:25pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 8:18pm:
Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:48pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 7:46pm:
Choo Choo.....Were they speaking in Arabic there or just Hebrew?


When Arsie? Is a language a race?


No, it's not Choo Choo.  But if I were to speak Arabic and only Arabic, it's a fair bet I am from the land I call Arabia.  You might have other ways of defining it, but that will do me.


If I were to speak English, which I do, is it just as a fair bet I come from England? If I come from Morocco does that mean Morocco is in Arabia? Egypt? Your definition is severely flawed, arsie.




If you speak Arabic....and ONLY Arabic, so far as I am concerned you are from what I call Arabia.


Well your concern is irrelevant & incorrect.

Arabia is the Arabian Peninsular & the countries on it.

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From a geographical perspective, it is considered a subcontinent of Asia. It is the largest peninsula in the world, at 3,237,500 km2 (1,250,000 sq mi). The Arabian Peninsula consists of the countries Yemen, Oman, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.


Have another look.
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My Arabia includes the Lands of Lawrence.  You can have yours and I'll have mine.
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My Arabia includes the Lands of Lawrence.  You can have yours and I'll have mine.


He was actually Lawrence of Wales. Is Wales in Arabia?
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Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 2:08pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:42pm:
My Arabia includes the Lands of Lawrence.  You can have yours and I'll have mine.


He was actually Lawrence of Wales. Is Wales in Arabia?


Dunno what Atlas you have or what movie you saw in which "Orrence" led some rag tag Arabs to beat the crap out of some Turkey fellas, but it sure was not about Wales.
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My Arabia includes the Lands of Lawrence.  You can have yours and I'll have mine.




this  actually makes sense to some....




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Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 2:08pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:42pm:
My Arabia includes the Lands of Lawrence.  You can have yours and I'll have mine.


He was actually Lawrence of Wales. Is Wales in Arabia?



which movie do you think was closer to the truth Cu..

Jesus of Nazareth  and epic..

or


a Life of Brian.....almost an epic...



all filmed in the desert of course.

they dont make them like that anymore.
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Bobby wrote:Reply #50 - Yesterday at 6:48pm
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You could read the Bible that way but the author
of the linked website is a theologian so not everyone reads it your way.
As a Theologian they are definitely more qualified than me -
what about you?


I have no idea what your theologians' motives are Bobby. I can guess that he is another part of the anti-Christ brigade.

I do know that Christians read and understand the following to mean exactly what it says e.g.:.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

means that Christ came to fulfill the law (fulfill means to bring to a successful conclusion)


Luke 16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

means that the law had a definite time frame to it(it was until John)
 

John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

Christ praying to God acknowledging that his time on earth was finished


John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Christ has finished his work ( His work was fulfilling the law He now is finished)


Mathew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Mark 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Christ was very frightened of what was going to happen to him, He would have got out of it if God so wished, however Gods' will be done


John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

The very last words Christ spoke here on earth were it is finished (He had came to fulfill the law, He successfully concluded the law, it was finished)


So we have Christ came to fulfill the law, the law had a definite time frame on it, He told God that he had completed the task, He was frightened of the pain and torture he was about endure, He was crucified the last words he spoke were to declare that he had finished the law.

Jump forward to the A.D. era we have

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Romans 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galatians 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


Galatians 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Again all saying that the law was redundant, it was now the era of justification by faith.


Bobby wrote Reply #51 - Yesterday at 6:50pm
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It doesn't seem to make much sense does it?
What was the point of Jesus turning up if nothing changed as a result?


It all makes sense to Christians Bobby, they just read it as it says.
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Reply #88 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 7:15pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 3:31pm:
Bobby wrote:Reply #50 -
Bobby wrote Reply #51 - Yesterday at 6:50pm
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It doesn't seem to make much sense does it?
What was the point of Jesus turning up if nothing changed as a result?


It all makes sense to Christians Bobby, they just read it as it says.


And ignore it, hey, Moses?   How else do you explain the millions who have been killed by Christians claiming to be acting in the name of Christ?  Tsk, tsk, tripped up once again by Christians doing what they bloody well like and killing anybody they don't like...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
moses wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 3:31pm:
Bobby wrote:Reply #50 -
Bobby wrote Reply #51 - Yesterday at 6:50pm
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It doesn't seem to make much sense does it?
What was the point of Jesus turning up if nothing changed as a result?


It all makes sense to Christians Bobby, they just read it as it says.


And ignore it, hey, Moses?   How else do you explain the millions who have been killed by Christians claiming to be acting in the name of Christ?  Tsk, tsk, tripped up once again by Christians doing what they bloody well like and killing anybody they don't like...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



mainly killing people before they kill them    maybe 


or dont you believe thats possible....

your blind hatred of CHristians..makes you sound completely insane sometimes..
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Reply #90 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 7:29pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 3:31pm:
Bobby wrote:Reply #50 - Yesterday at 6:48pm
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You could read the Bible that way but the author
of the linked website is a theologian so not everyone reads it your way.
As a Theologian they are definitely more qualified than me -
what about you?


I have no idea what your theologians' motives are Bobby. I can guess that he is another part of the anti-Christ brigade.

I do know that Christians read and understand the following to mean exactly what it says e.g.:.

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

means that Christ came to fulfill the law (fulfill means to bring to a successful conclusion)


Luke 16:16  The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

means that the law had a definite time frame to it(it was until John)
 

John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:

Christ praying to God acknowledging that his time on earth was finished


John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Christ has finished his work ( His work was fulfilling the law He now is finished)


Mathew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Mark 14:36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.

Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Christ was very frightened of what was going to happen to him, He would have got out of it if God so wished, however Gods' will be done


John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

The very last words Christ spoke here on earth were it is finished (He had came to fulfill the law, He successfully concluded the law, it was finished)


So we have Christ came to fulfill the law, the law had a definite time frame on it, He told God that he had completed the task, He was frightened of the pain and torture he was about endure, He was crucified the last words he spoke were to declare that he had finished the law.

Jump forward to the A.D. era we have

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Romans 3:20  Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28  Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Galatians 2:16  Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.


Galatians 3:11  But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Again all saying that the law was redundant, it was now the era of justification by faith.


Bobby wrote Reply #51 - Yesterday at 6:50pm
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It doesn't seem to make much sense does it?
What was the point of Jesus turning up if nothing changed as a result?


It all makes sense to Christians Bobby, they just read it as it says.



dear Moses - I appreciate your learned reply but read again:

The owner of this website disagrees with you:
http://www.evilbible.com/do-not-ignore-the-old-testament/




1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.  Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)  Clearly the Old Testament is to be obeyed until the end of human existence itself.  None other then Jesus said so.

2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever.  “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB)

3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets.  He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.  “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.  Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

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and more from the Theologian:


3b) “All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)

3c) “Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.” (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law.  Mark.7:9-13  “Whoever curses father or mother shall die” (Mark 7:10 NAB)

5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating.  He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole.  The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell.  (Matthew 5:27)

7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18

8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,…” (John 1:17).

9) “…the scripture cannot be broken.” –Jesus Christ, John 10:35
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Do Not Ignore The Old Testament


Thou Shall Not Ignore the Old Testament!

New Testament Verses Which Demand Following the Old Testament

Many Christians claim that the Old Testament laws do not apply to us because Jesus was the “lamb” to clear away its rules and regulations.  This is just another scapegoat that Christians use to ignore the atrocities and bizarre laws commanded by their god.  Their preachers spoon feed them that the Old Testament is no longer binding so that they can excuse the majority of evil that the bible promotes.  I am so tired of Christians manipulating the scriptures so that they can assign a kinder nature to their God, that I have assembled a list of verses which clearly show that the Old Testament is not to be ignored.  Its laws should indeed be adhered to, for the New Testament demands it!
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Reply #93 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 7:36pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 7:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
moses wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 3:31pm:
Bobby wrote:Reply #50 -
Bobby wrote Reply #51 - Yesterday at 6:50pm
Quote:
It doesn't seem to make much sense does it?
What was the point of Jesus turning up if nothing changed as a result?


It all makes sense to Christians Bobby, they just read it as it says.


And ignore it, hey, Moses?   How else do you explain the millions who have been killed by Christians claiming to be acting in the name of Christ?  Tsk, tsk, tripped up once again by Christians doing what they bloody well like and killing anybody they don't like...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


mainly killing people before they kill them    maybe 

or dont you believe thats possible....

your blind hatred of CHristians..makes you sound completely insane sometimes..


Oh, it is possible, Cods.  However, I can't seem to find all that many Christians who were actually in danger of being killed by non-Christians when the Christians invaded the New World, Asia, Africa and Oceania and stole the land, resources and of course destroyed the cultures and lives of the inhabitants...    Roll Eyes
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My Arabia includes the Lands of Lawrence.  You can have yours and I'll have mine.


Aussie are you basing your whole "let's slaughter millions of Jews because Arabia is for the Arabs" thing on the movie Lawrence of Arabia?
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freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:15pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:42pm:
My Arabia includes the Lands of Lawrence.  You can have yours and I'll have mine.


Aussie are you basing your whole "let's slaughter millions of Jews because Arabia is for the Arabs" thing on the movie Lawrence of Arabia?



Hi FD,
did you know that Lawrence of Arabia -
representing England -
promised the holy lands of Palestine to the Arabs?
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Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:18pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:15pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:42pm:
My Arabia includes the Lands of Lawrence.  You can have yours and I'll have mine.


Aussie are you basing your whole "let's slaughter millions of Jews because Arabia is for the Arabs" thing on the movie Lawrence of Arabia?



Hi FD,
did you know that Lawrence of Arabia -
representing England -
promised the holy lands of Palestine to the Arabs?


What does it matter if he did? He could have promised England to them, it wouldn't have made England Arabia.
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Cu Chullain wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:22pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:18pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:15pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:42pm:
My Arabia includes the Lands of Lawrence.  You can have yours and I'll have mine.


Aussie are you basing your whole "let's slaughter millions of Jews because Arabia is for the Arabs" thing on the movie Lawrence of Arabia?



Hi FD,
did you know that Lawrence of Arabia -
representing England -
promised the holy lands of Palestine to the Arabs?


What does it matter if he did? He could have promised England to them, it wouldn't have made England Arabia.



History says that it was the British who set up Israel -
the opposite of what they promised.

They also set up Kuwait - a subset of Iraqis - given their own land
in return for cheap oil.
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Aussie wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:42pm:
My Arabia includes the Lands of Lawrence.  You can have yours and I'll have mine.


Lawrence was a soldier not a ruler of the land.

And was only there during WW1.
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Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 7:36pm:
cods wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 7:27pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 7:15pm:
moses wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 3:31pm:
Bobby wrote:Reply #50 -
Bobby wrote Reply #51 - Yesterday at 6:50pm
Quote:
It doesn't seem to make much sense does it?
What was the point of Jesus turning up if nothing changed as a result?


It all makes sense to Christians Bobby, they just read it as it says.


And ignore it, hey, Moses?   How else do you explain the millions who have been killed by Christians claiming to be acting in the name of Christ?  Tsk, tsk, tripped up once again by Christians doing what they bloody well like and killing anybody they don't like...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


mainly killing people before they kill them    maybe 

or dont you believe thats possible....

your blind hatred of CHristians..makes you sound completely insane sometimes..


Oh, it is possible, Cods.  However, I can't seem to find all that many Christians who were actually in danger of being killed by non-Christians when the Christians invaded the New World, Asia, Africa and Oceania and stole the land, resources and of course destroyed the cultures and lives of the inhabitants...    ::)

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Which of course was never done by Romans, Greeks, Ottomans, Persians,Mongols, Tartars, Angles, Jutes, Saxons etc either.... was it? Roll Eyes
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Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:18pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:15pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:42pm:
My Arabia includes the Lands of Lawrence.  You can have yours and I'll have mine.


Aussie are you basing your whole "let's slaughter millions of Jews because Arabia is for the Arabs" thing on the movie Lawrence of Arabia?



Hi FD,
did you know that Lawrence of Arabia -
representing England -
promised the holy lands of Palestine to the Arabs?


He didn't have that authority anyway.
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freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:15pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:42pm:
My Arabia includes the Lands of Lawrence.  You can have yours and I'll have mine.


Aussie are you basing your whole "let's slaughter millions of Jews because Arabia is for the Arabs" thing on the movie Lawrence of Arabia?


Who are you quoting there, Effendi?
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Reply #103 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 11:40am
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 8th, 2019 at 8:43am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:18pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:15pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:42pm:
My Arabia includes the Lands of Lawrence.  You can have yours and I'll have mine.


Aussie are you basing your whole "let's slaughter millions of Jews because Arabia is for the Arabs" thing on the movie Lawrence of Arabia?



Hi FD,
did you know that Lawrence of Arabia -
representing England -
promised the holy lands of Palestine to the Arabs?


He didn't have that authority anyway.



Then why did he make that promise?
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Reply #104 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 12:52pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jan 8th, 2019 at 11:40am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 8th, 2019 at 8:43am:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:18pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:15pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:42pm:
My Arabia includes the Lands of Lawrence.  You can have yours and I'll have mine.


Aussie are you basing your whole "let's slaughter millions of Jews because Arabia is for the Arabs" thing on the movie Lawrence of Arabia?



Hi FD,
did you know that Lawrence of Arabia -
representing England -
promised the holy lands of Palestine to the Arabs?


He didn't have that authority anyway.



Then why did he make that promise?


Carried away with his own self importance perhaps?

What authority do think a Colonel has?
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Reply #105 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 1:31pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 8th, 2019 at 8:40am:
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It doesn't seem to make much sense does it?
What was the point of Jesus turning up if nothing changed as a result?


It all makes sense to Christians Bobby, they just read it as it says.


And ignore it, hey, Moses?   How else do you explain the millions who have been killed by Christians claiming to be acting in the name of Christ?  Tsk, tsk, tripped up once again by Christians doing what they bloody well like and killing anybody they don't like...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


mainly killing people before they kill them    maybe 

or dont you believe thats possible....

your blind hatred of CHristians..makes you sound completely insane sometimes..


Oh, it is possible, Cods.  However, I can't seem to find all that many Christians who were actually in danger of being killed by non-Christians when the Christians invaded the New World, Asia, Africa and Oceania and stole the land, resources and of course destroyed the cultures and lives of the inhabitants...    ::)


Which of course was never done by Romans, Greeks, Ottomans, Persians,Mongols, Tartars, Angles, Jutes, Saxons etc either.... was it? Roll Eyes


Where have I denied that, Gnads?  However, they were (well nearly all) of much lesser extent than the Christians who invaded and stole the land and resources from the local inhabitants in the New World (North, Central and Southern Americas), Asia, Africa and Oceania (New Zealand, Australia, the Pacific Islands).   I have read estimates of over 300 million killed by the Spanish alone in central and south America by the Conquistadores and their descendents.  I am unsure how many died in North America, Asia, Africa and Oceania...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #106 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 2:55pm
 
Imperial Japan, China, ottoman Empire, Persian Empire, Muslim conquests - you never belly ache about those, Bwian.

Europeans, especially the British, took civilisation to many primitive parts of the globe and those people should count themselves lucky it wasn't  the Japanese or Muslims or the Belgians. There is no way that the Americas or Australia, Africa, Asia could remain as they were before Comumbus  Cook etc.



Your guilt- mongering is stupid and also lopsided.
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Reply #107 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 3:01pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 8th, 2019 at 12:52pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jan 8th, 2019 at 11:40am:
Gnads wrote on Jan 8th, 2019 at 8:43am:
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My Arabia includes the Lands of Lawrence.  You can have yours and I'll have mine.


Aussie are you basing your whole "let's slaughter millions of Jews because Arabia is for the Arabs" thing on the movie Lawrence of Arabia?



Hi FD,
did you know that Lawrence of Arabia -
representing England -
promised the holy lands of Palestine to the Arabs?


He didn't have that authority anyway.



Then why did he make that promise?


Carried away with his own self importance perhaps?

What authority do think a Colonel has?



Does it matter?
The Arabs took him seriously on his word.
You need to study history.

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Reply #108 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 5:47pm
 
Bobby wrote Reply #90 - Yesterday at 7:29pm

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1) “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished.  Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)  Clearly the Old Testament is to be obeyed until the end of human existence itself.  None other then Jesus said so.
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2) All of the vicious Old Testament laws will be binding forever.  “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17 NAB)
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3) Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets.  He hasn’t the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament.  “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill.  Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17 NAB)


These are all talking about the same things The king James version (credited with being the most accurate translation of the early Greek writings) says:

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

The law was until John it has a time frame


Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

The Law didn't fail it remained in force until it was fulfilled by the death of Christ on the cross.


Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Christ didn't come to destroy the law He came to fulfill it (bring it to a successful conclusion).


Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

The law run its' course and was fulfilled by the death of Christ


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3b) “All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness…” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB)


The Scriptures also foretold of the coming of a Messiah who would bear the burden of all mankinds' sins.

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3c) “Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God.” (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)


I see no interpretation just Christians taking the teachings at their word (Christ came to fulfill the law)

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4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law.  Mark.7:9-13  “Whoever curses father or mother shall die” (Mark 7:10 NAB)
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5) Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating.  He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)


Both of these are talking about the same event:

Mark 7:9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Mark 7:10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
Mark 7:11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
7:12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Full well means first rate, quiet well, very well.

Christ was not criticizing the Jews for not upholding the law, He agreed with them that they were doing the right thing by rejecting that particular law.


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6) Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole.  The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell.  (Matthew 5:27)


Why the massive distortion Bobby?

Matthew 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

Christ was saying that to look upon a woman with lust you have already committed adultery in your heart.


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Reply #109 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 5:49pm
 
continuing on

The next couple of verses are a parable

5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Christ saying to keep all your thoughts and deeds righteous, you can't be part right and part wrong, would you destroy your whole body for one bad part?


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7) Peter says that all slaves should “be subject to [their] masters with all fear,” to the bad and cruel as well as the “good and gentle.” This is merely an echo of the same slavery commands in the Old Testament. 1 Peter 2:18


1Peter 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.

Nothing about cruel etc.

Froward means not willing to yield or comply with what is required; unyielding; ungovernable; refractory; disobedient; peevish;

Peter is talking about masters who did  not comply with the accepted rules and regulations for the way they should treat their servants.

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8) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,…” (John 1:17).


John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

A statement of fact. The law was given to moses, grace and truth came by Christ


John 7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

No one is keeping the law as they all want to kill Him


So I'm still convinced that Christians have got it right, the law came to an end 2018 years ago as it was fulfilled by Christ. Mankind is now justified by faith not the deeds of the law.


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Reply #110 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 6:47pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 8th, 2019 at 2:55pm:
Imperial Japan, China, ottoman Empire, Persian Empire, Muslim conquests - you never belly ache about those, Bwian.


Nearly all were in ancient/medieval times, Soren.   European/Christian Imperialism is much more recent.  Tsk, tsk, tripped up again by history...

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Europeans, especially the British, took civilisation to many primitive parts of the globe and those people should count themselves lucky it wasn't  the Japanese or Muslims or the Belgians. There is no way that the Americas or Australia, Africa, Asia could remain as they were before Comumbus  Cook etc.


"Comumbus"?  Tsk, tsk, got to turn off that autospell feature on your phone, Soren.

The Christians destroyed entire civilisations, Soren.  Is that something we should be proud of?  Did they ask the local inhabitants if they wanted to be conquered and enslaved?  Really?   Roll Eyes

Millions, billions died as a consequence.   You really are a fool, you realise?   I wonder what they taught at the University of Baloney.  I really do.    Roll Eyes

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Your guilt- mongering is stupid and also lopsided.


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Reply #111 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 6:56pm
 
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Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

The Law didn't fail it remained in force until it was fulfilled by the death of Christ on the cross.



dear Moses,
nice try but aren't you trying to re-write the Bible?
You keep interpreting everything with your own slant on it.
If taken literally it has meaning without any translation.
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Reply #112 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 7:22pm
 
@ Bobby

The writings of the N.T. takes the various forms of parables, parallels, symbols, prophecies, etc.

It's  not hard to read each chapter as it was meant to be read if you want to.

If you're a committed anti - Christ brigade member then it will be read that way by the reader.

The whole theme of the Bible can be summarized fairly easily.

The ancient Hebrew writings which told of their covenant with their God, the foretelling of the coming of a Messiah who would bear the burden of the sins of mankind, then the Messiah comes goes through all trials and tribulations however his message remains rock solid, he came to fulfil the law and usher in a new era of grace and justification by faith.

That's pretty much it, so why do you think Christians are going to change and say no the crucifixion has no meaning, mankind must remain the dark barbaric past?

It will never happen.

As for those who try and put the Christians down with untruths etc. they were all foretold also, so the works of the people trying to bring Christians down just strengthens the followers faith.
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Reply #113 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 8:52pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 8th, 2019 at 10:06am:
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My Arabia includes the Lands of Lawrence.  You can have yours and I'll have mine.


Aussie are you basing your whole "let's slaughter millions of Jews because Arabia is for the Arabs" thing on the movie Lawrence of Arabia?


Who are you quoting there, Effendi?


I am quoting you Aussie. Have you forgotten posting that already? It was only yesterday.
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Reply #114 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 9:12pm
 
Excuse me, Aussie, you're going to have to clarify such a statement, I'm afraid. It's terrible. Why on earth did you say we should slaughter millions of Jews?

Whoops. I've said it now too. That's one cunning tactic FD has there.
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