I've put this topic in philosophy rather than spirituality because I don't really think that a concept of spirituality alone will allow. Spiritually will eventuate, but maybe not type that others will embrace.

It has become to me more of a philosophical reasoning rather than spiritual that the body can enter a state of nirvana at the behest of the individual.


Switching off thoughts for a long period is difficult, or it may be far easier than you'd once thought. Maybe religion, self help books, money, drugs, power, etc. seems a pathway, but they all seem to fail.

Let's face it, we all want to experience that nirvana without drugs or any other outside influence.
If you've experienced it, then you want it again and again. It quickly becomes akin to a drug where the lack of wanting has allowed it to eventuate into wanting.

This is the crux of Buddhism, of course. An ancient philosophy that still rings true.


How do you want something without actually wanting?

Maybe I answered my own question. Do I really want this outside influence. or have I something more meaningful to myself without it?

That's why I placed it in philosophy.

Have you experienced the nirvana of allowing all thoughts to disappear for long periods? It's more than 17%

Commonly known as meditation, this is mostly all Buddhism is really about IMO.


The rush of being, relaxation and complete acceptance is enlightening. You want it again and it carries on for hours. It enhances and provides motivation, interest and to do things like fly to the moon.

I'm not saying that sitting on a hill meditating will solve the problems of the world, because the world has it's own problems.
Not many enlightened ones have bothered to fly to the moon because the moon will come to them, it's just a piece of junk rock..lol. Nothing spiritual about that. We can learn all without ever the competition to go there. We knew it was a junk rock even before going there.

Dictionary;
nirvana = = a transcendent state in which there is no suffering or desire, and no sense of self.    a state of perfect happiness.






QUESTION;
Is 'happiness' having/achieving,       everything we desire ?


It seems to be, i would suggest, for many 'new age' secular people, that they believe,
that if they can acquire enough of the correct 'things', they will achieve certain happiness.


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When i say, 'new age' secular people, i mean your typical 'rat race' type of people.

e.g.
Is 'happiness' having as much money as we desire [could want] ?

Having as much sex as we desire ?

Having and owning, the house we desire ?

Having all of the very latest tech devices we desire ?

Having the 'admiration' of all of our social media contacts ?

IMO, hardly.



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True happiness, imo, is founded in our gratitude, and our appreciation,
of the truly good things in our life.

And, i would suggest, that if you cannot recognise those many good things, in your life, then you have a form of spiritual 'blindness'.



When we truly feel an inner gratitude and have      a recognition      and a real appreciation for all of the truly good things in our life,
we will experience the feeling ['knowledge'] of 'happiness'.

AKA, contentedness.



Yadda has the knowledge,        that he derives his own happiness [in this life], from his choice [in this life],
to love God,      his God.

I know that my happiness [in this life], is a direct result of choosing to love God.

The 'God' i love, is not an abstract 'concept'.

I seek God,
i find God,
and i choose [have chosen] to love what i have found.




Deuteronomy 4:29
But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
30  When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, even in the latter days, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice;
31  (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.


Psalms 27:8
When thou saidst, Seek ye my face; my heart said unto thee, Thy face, LORD, will I seek.


Psalms 105:3
Glory ye in his holy name: let the heart of them rejoice that seek the LORD.
4  Seek the LORD, and his strength: seek his face evermore.


Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
12  Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.
13  And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.



Genesis 17:1
And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

[Yes, that, is an impossible 'mission',        but....]



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'Salvation' and peace, isn't for everyone.

Humility, and meekness, before God,        isn't for everyone.

Many prefer [have chosen] to love the things of this world,       instead.

And they seek     their happiness      in the things of this world.

As is their choice.



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Beatles- Fool on the Hill (Beatles greatest hits album 67-70)


Yadda, is.

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 31^st, 2018 at 11:18am:




Barnacle,

I only hate the bad moslems.

Not the good moslems.



Psalms 11:4
The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
5  The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.


Exodus 15:3
The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.


Deuteronomy 32:39
See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
40  For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.
41  If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.
42  I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.
43  Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.



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Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Matthew 12:47
Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
48  But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
49  And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50  For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.



What is God's will ?

Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35  But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.


Isaiah 1:17
Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.


Jeremiah 22:3
Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness, and deliver the spoiled out of the hand of the oppressor: and do no wrong, do no violence to the stranger, the fatherless, nor the widow, neither shed innocent blood....


Jeremiah 9:24
But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.

Amadd wrote on Dec 31^st, 2018 at 7:56am:


Sorry to burst your bubble Amadd. But I spent years up in the Himalayas, in the Monasteries learning about Buddhism, back in the 90's.
It's a worthy thing to learn. But, as an 'Australian' - it had the 'reverse' effect on me.

You see, I attained the DARK SIDE of Buddhism - being a 'down under' Australian. It wasn't about being 'up there' among the high mountains. It was about me being 'down under' the waves of the ocean - down into that deep dark abyss where we (and the world) fears to look, because when you look into the Abyss - the Abyss looks into you.

The rule I learned the most from Buddhism 'up there' - is to be true to myself and they all knew over there, that my path of Buddhism is different to theirs.

You see, 'that gland' in the brain that gives off that 'happy state of ' that many (not all) Buddhists can trigger through Meditation - is just on one side of the brain. I, as they discovered - trigger the other side of the brain, where the 'other' gland is. The one that I call the state of mind.

I've been used as a guinea pig in Hyperbaric Chambers (St George Hospital, etc), had heaps of MIR scans, etc. I attain 15% from that gland. But it feels more like 20% when I am deep underwater and I'm not talking about being narked which I can detach from the nitrogen overload in my body to the point, I don't suffer its effects. They conducted a test in the Hyperbaric Chamber (5 Swedish Scientists came to see) - where they pressurised me down to 60m after I had attained my 'state of Hadal'. I had 7 other voluteers inside the chamber with me (random selection of Diver volunteers - unaware of my aspect and the study on me). All 7 volunteers lost the plot and got totally narked. I remained in full clarity and less effected by narcosis. Doing various 'tests' put to me, I remained cognitive by 80%. Senses attached to my brain (and dummy ones on the volunteers) recorded my 'Hadal gland' illuminating to some degree. It is harder to be so, under 'pressure' - but the result is greater.

So Amadd. Would you like to come to the 'Dark Side'? 

Yadda wrote on Dec 31^st, 2018 at 1:03pm:




EXAMPLE #1,

"ISLAM ES PAZ"


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The subject of Islam should not have been raised here, but once it appeared, I was not about to let it go by. However, it is a distraction from the subject. How about trying to get back on track? Consider the subject: Entering a state of Nirvana.

THe problem is in analysis you get caught up in religion, and religion means "Way of Life." Nirvana comes from the Hindu and Buddhist religions, and like other forms of so-called Enlightenment including Christian "knowledge of God or a trinity," none of it is available. It is esoteric.

Likewise, to believe in levels of perception, you have to take the word of "experts." This denigrates human individuality, but humans are herd animals. And you will notice all of these "religions" use ritual to cloud the issue.

All except for the claim made, in the Zen tradition, of "instant enlightenment."

That might be a subject worth studying, until you discover that the great Zen masters of Japan, wholeheartedly support the invasion of China and direction of Nazi Germany. Read Suzuki. So if you want to trust the opinion of those guys, go ahead, waste your life trying to believe in something that was used to create yet another hierarchy of secret knowledge and experience.

Amadd,

I apologise to you, for my part in how this thread,
'Entering a state of nirvana',
was sidetracked into another argument, focusing instead upon ISLAM and the followers of ISLAM.



issue expressed it well enough.....

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