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Re: Muslim cleric: ‘Merry Christmas’ worse than murder
Reply #195 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:50pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:44pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 7:54pm:
Gregg are you disputing official figures or just ignoring them as inconvenient to your view?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1545777800/185#185


Not disputing the figures at all.

Jihadist attacks = 16%

Non-Jihadist attacks = 84%

As I've said all along: the (vast) majority of terrorist attacks in Europe are carried out by non-Muslims.



So you are not disputing these official figures either from the same source?

Quote:
16% of terrorist attacks caused almost all deaths and injuries perpetrated by 4% of the population. Over 400% greater than all other
terrorist groups put together? Guess which group?


Good to know you accept them. Now why do you not quote that part of the stats and keep gumming on about stats that don't kill people?

I'm curious.


That's right - I'm not disputing them.

Never have.

Hard day, Set?




Not at all, we are making progress. It's good day.

Why do you ignore the mayhem of Islam through continually parroting stats without context? Why protect the mass murderers with your stats?

I'm sure, like I, many are curious.


You have no problem with terrorists stabbing people, shooting people, and setting off bombs, as long as they don't kill anyone - is that what you're telling us Set?

I'm curious.

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Re: Muslim cleric: ‘Merry Christmas’ worse than murder
Reply #196 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:57pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:50pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:44pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 7:54pm:
Gregg are you disputing official figures or just ignoring them as inconvenient to your view?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1545777800/185#185


Not disputing the figures at all.

Jihadist attacks = 16%

Non-Jihadist attacks = 84%

As I've said all along: the (vast) majority of terrorist attacks in Europe are carried out by non-Muslims.



So you are not disputing these official figures either from the same source?

Quote:
16% of terrorist attacks caused almost all deaths and injuries perpetrated by 4% of the population. Over 400% greater than all other
terrorist groups put together? Guess which group?


Good to know you accept them. Now why do you not quote that part of the stats and keep gumming on about stats that don't kill people?

I'm curious.


That's right - I'm not disputing them.

Never have.

Hard day, Set?




Not at all, we are making progress. It's good day.

Why do you ignore the mayhem of Islam through continually parroting stats without context? Why protect the mass murderers with your stats?

I'm sure, like I, many are curious.


You have no problem with terrorists stabbing people, shooting people, and setting off bombs, as long as they don't kill anyone - is that what you're telling us Set?

I'm curious.



Oh, I do but I have a scale of indecency unlike you it seems. Almost all deaths were perpetrated by one ideology.

Can you repost the NI quote you were posting a week or so ago? Let's examine it.
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Re: Muslim cleric: ‘Merry Christmas’ worse than murder
Reply #197 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:11pm
 
You don't want to do that Gregg? You were formulating a response for almost 20 minutes then you abandoned it, why?

I'm curious.
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Re: Muslim cleric: ‘Merry Christmas’ worse than murder
Reply #198 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:15pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:50pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:44pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 7:54pm:
Gregg are you disputing official figures or just ignoring them as inconvenient to your view?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1545777800/185#185


Not disputing the figures at all.

Jihadist attacks = 16%

Non-Jihadist attacks = 84%

As I've said all along: the (vast) majority of terrorist attacks in Europe are carried out by non-Muslims.



So you are not disputing these official figures either from the same source?

Quote:
16% of terrorist attacks caused almost all deaths and injuries perpetrated by 4% of the population. Over 400% greater than all other
terrorist groups put together? Guess which group?


Good to know you accept them. Now why do you not quote that part of the stats and keep gumming on about stats that don't kill people?

I'm curious.


That's right - I'm not disputing them.

Never have.

Hard day, Set?




Not at all, we are making progress. It's good day.

Why do you ignore the mayhem of Islam through continually parroting stats without context? Why protect the mass murderers with your stats?

I'm sure, like I, many are curious.


You have no problem with terrorists stabbing people, shooting people, and setting off bombs, as long as they don't kill anyone - is that what you're telling us Set?

I'm curious.



Why would someone defend terrorists who don't kill people?

Does anyone else find it a bit strange?

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Re: Muslim cleric: ‘Merry Christmas’ worse than murder
Reply #199 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:19pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:50pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:44pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 7:54pm:
Gregg are you disputing official figures or just ignoring them as inconvenient to your view?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1545777800/185#185


Not disputing the figures at all.

Jihadist attacks = 16%

Non-Jihadist attacks = 84%

As I've said all along: the (vast) majority of terrorist attacks in Europe are carried out by non-Muslims.



So you are not disputing these official figures either from the same source?

Quote:
16% of terrorist attacks caused almost all deaths and injuries perpetrated by 4% of the population. Over 400% greater than all other
terrorist groups put together? Guess which group?


Good to know you accept them. Now why do you not quote that part of the stats and keep gumming on about stats that don't kill people?

I'm curious.


That's right - I'm not disputing them.

Never have.

Hard day, Set?




Not at all, we are making progress. It's good day.

Why do you ignore the mayhem of Islam through continually parroting stats without context? Why protect the mass murderers with your stats?

I'm sure, like I, many are curious.


You have no problem with terrorists stabbing people, shooting people, and setting off bombs, as long as they don't kill anyone - is that what you're telling us Set?

I'm curious.



Why would someone defend terrorists who don't kill people?

Does anyone else find it a bit strange?



Why would someone deflect from terrorists that are mass murderers?

Does anyone else find it not only strange but absolutely reprehensible?

Any time frame on that NI quote you so liked yet?
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Re: Muslim cleric: ‘Merry Christmas’ worse than murder
Reply #200 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:23pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:50pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:44pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 7:54pm:
Gregg are you disputing official figures or just ignoring them as inconvenient to your view?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1545777800/185#185


Not disputing the figures at all.

Jihadist attacks = 16%

Non-Jihadist attacks = 84%

As I've said all along: the (vast) majority of terrorist attacks in Europe are carried out by non-Muslims.



So you are not disputing these official figures either from the same source?

Quote:
16% of terrorist attacks caused almost all deaths and injuries perpetrated by 4% of the population. Over 400% greater than all other
terrorist groups put together? Guess which group?


Good to know you accept them. Now why do you not quote that part of the stats and keep gumming on about stats that don't kill people?

I'm curious.


That's right - I'm not disputing them.

Never have.

Hard day, Set?




Not at all, we are making progress. It's good day.

Why do you ignore the mayhem of Islam through continually parroting stats without context? Why protect the mass murderers with your stats?

I'm sure, like I, many are curious.


You have no problem with terrorists stabbing people, shooting people, and setting off bombs, as long as they don't kill anyone - is that what you're telling us Set?

I'm curious.



Every terrorist is a follower of terrorism <------------ dictionary definition.

Why would someone go out of their way to defend terrorists who stab, shoot, and blow up people just because their attacks aren't fatal?

Are these people potential terrorists themselves - is that why they're so quick to defend the terrorists who fail to kill their targets?

I'm more than a little curious.
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Re: Muslim cleric: ‘Merry Christmas’ worse than murder
Reply #201 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:30pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:23pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:50pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:44pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 7:54pm:
Gregg are you disputing official figures or just ignoring them as inconvenient to your view?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1545777800/185#185


Not disputing the figures at all.

Jihadist attacks = 16%

Non-Jihadist attacks = 84%

As I've said all along: the (vast) majority of terrorist attacks in Europe are carried out by non-Muslims.



So you are not disputing these official figures either from the same source?

Quote:
16% of terrorist attacks caused almost all deaths and injuries perpetrated by 4% of the population. Over 400% greater than all other
terrorist groups put together? Guess which group?


Good to know you accept them. Now why do you not quote that part of the stats and keep gumming on about stats that don't kill people?

I'm curious.


That's right - I'm not disputing them.

Never have.

Hard day, Set?




Not at all, we are making progress. It's good day.

Why do you ignore the mayhem of Islam through continually parroting stats without context? Why protect the mass murderers with your stats?

I'm sure, like I, many are curious.


You have no problem with terrorists stabbing people, shooting people, and setting off bombs, as long as they don't kill anyone - is that what you're telling us Set?

I'm curious.



Every terrorist is a follower of terrorism <------------ dictionary definition.

Why would someone go out of their way to defend terrorists who stab, shoot, and blow up people just because their attacks aren't fatal?

Are these people potential terrorists themselves - is that why they're so quick to defend the terrorists who fail to kill their targets?

I'm more than a little curious.


Who says all terrorists try to kill, do you have a link or a Europol report to back that assertion up? We could discuss that if you post the NI quote you have been posting recently?

I believe terrorism is about causing fear for political aims, not death. Although death is the ultimate way to cause fear and we know who does that in spades as the Europol report shows..
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Re: Muslim cleric: ‘Merry Christmas’ worse than murder
Reply #202 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:47pm
 
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Re: Muslim cleric: ‘Merry Christmas’ worse than murder
Reply #203 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:47pm
 
Greg, as your own stats prove, not all terrorists are the same, and Muslims are giving terrorists a bad name.
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Re: Muslim cleric: ‘Merry Christmas’ worse than murder
Reply #204 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:53pm
 
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:30pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:23pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:50pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:44pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 7:54pm:
Gregg are you disputing official figures or just ignoring them as inconvenient to your view?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1545777800/185#185


Not disputing the figures at all.

Jihadist attacks = 16%

Non-Jihadist attacks = 84%

As I've said all along: the (vast) majority of terrorist attacks in Europe are carried out by non-Muslims.



So you are not disputing these official figures either from the same source?

Quote:
16% of terrorist attacks caused almost all deaths and injuries perpetrated by 4% of the population. Over 400% greater than all other
terrorist groups put together? Guess which group?


Good to know you accept them. Now why do you not quote that part of the stats and keep gumming on about stats that don't kill people?

I'm curious.


That's right - I'm not disputing them.

Never have.

Hard day, Set?




Not at all, we are making progress. It's good day.

Why do you ignore the mayhem of Islam through continually parroting stats without context? Why protect the mass murderers with your stats?

I'm sure, like I, many are curious.


You have no problem with terrorists stabbing people, shooting people, and setting off bombs, as long as they don't kill anyone - is that what you're telling us Set?

I'm curious.



Every terrorist is a follower of terrorism <------------ dictionary definition.

Why would someone go out of their way to defend terrorists who stab, shoot, and blow up people just because their attacks aren't fatal?

Are these people potential terrorists themselves - is that why they're so quick to defend the terrorists who fail to kill their targets?

I'm more than a little curious.


Who says all terrorists try to kill, do you have a link or a Europol report to back that assertion up? We could discuss that if you post the NI quote you have been posting recently?

I believe terrorism is about causing fear for political aims, not death. Although death is the ultimate way to cause fear and we know who does that in spades as the Europol report shows..



even when they scream

death to all infidels........

meaning anyone who isnt Muslim?...


lucky OZ  not many deaths attributed to terrorist.....in our country.. but thats not from their lack of trying....

in fact they are probably working on ways and means right now....

not all terrorist want to kill....

so when they dont want to actually kill anyone..

what is their means of scaring govts???????

bombs are out....because they kill every time... Roll Eyes

so what means do they use  to drive fear into govts set??..


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Re: Muslim cleric: ‘Merry Christmas’ worse than murder
Reply #205 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 10:01pm
 
cods wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:53pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:30pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 9:23pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:50pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:47pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:44pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:41pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 8:36pm:
Setanta wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 7:54pm:
Gregg are you disputing official figures or just ignoring them as inconvenient to your view?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1545777800/185#185


Not disputing the figures at all.

Jihadist attacks = 16%

Non-Jihadist attacks = 84%

As I've said all along: the (vast) majority of terrorist attacks in Europe are carried out by non-Muslims.



So you are not disputing these official figures either from the same source?

Quote:
16% of terrorist attacks caused almost all deaths and injuries perpetrated by 4% of the population. Over 400% greater than all other
terrorist groups put together? Guess which group?


Good to know you accept them. Now why do you not quote that part of the stats and keep gumming on about stats that don't kill people?

I'm curious.


That's right - I'm not disputing them.

Never have.

Hard day, Set?




Not at all, we are making progress. It's good day.

Why do you ignore the mayhem of Islam through continually parroting stats without context? Why protect the mass murderers with your stats?

I'm sure, like I, many are curious.


You have no problem with terrorists stabbing people, shooting people, and setting off bombs, as long as they don't kill anyone - is that what you're telling us Set?

I'm curious.



Every terrorist is a follower of terrorism <------------ dictionary definition.

Why would someone go out of their way to defend terrorists who stab, shoot, and blow up people just because their attacks aren't fatal?

Are these people potential terrorists themselves - is that why they're so quick to defend the terrorists who fail to kill their targets?

I'm more than a little curious.


Who says all terrorists try to kill, do you have a link or a Europol report to back that assertion up? We could discuss that if you post the NI quote you have been posting recently?

I believe terrorism is about causing fear for political aims, not death. Although death is the ultimate way to cause fear and we know who does that in spades as the Europol report shows..



even when they scream

death to all infidels........

meaning anyone who isnt Muslim?...



lucky OZ  not many deaths attributed to terrorist.....in our country.. but thats not from their lack of trying....

in fact they are probably working on ways and means right now....

not all terrorist want to kill....

so when they dont want to actually kill anyone..

what is their means of scaring govts???????

bombs are out....because they kill every time... Roll Eyes

so what means do they use  to drive fear into govts set??..




Not all terrorists are Muslim, I can agree with Gregg on that. Not all Muslims are terrorists, I'd also agree. Gregg's stats show that unequivocally. The problem is he chooses to downplay Islamic terrorism using these stats, to diminish their severity when they are the most severe. Not all terrorism is equal which is why I ask him repeatedly to post the NI quote he has used repeatedly recently. He chooses not to repost it for a reason.

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Reply #206 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 10:06pm
 
People used to say "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". Now they say "holy poo those Muslims are evil". Greg has the stats to prove it.
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Re: Muslim cleric: ‘Merry Christmas’ worse than murder
Reply #207 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 11:10pm
 
It's nice to know - as those of us who have studied terrorism know - that the aim is not always to kill, but to instill a 'halo effect' by causing mayhem and perhaps death... and thus influence political decisions and compel governments to NOT act against the terrorists through a campaign of fear and (dare one say it)... terror.

HOWEVER.......... when it is clear that the intent of a specified group is to cause death AND terror (as a corollary and not as the main purpose)... and that the ultimate aim of the group espousing such a belief is the total extermination of all that the group views as its 'enemies'..... the results are going to be much more disastrous to the 'host country' (and any others as defined by the belief system carrying out the terrorism) than any homegrown 'terrorism' seeking self-determination.

When the aim is to KILL the infidel and/or to enslave that 'infidel' utterly.... that is by far a more dangerous belief system than any homegrown demand for self-autonomy.

As a side note - perhaps you could consider this:-

Every time 'we' of the West send aid and assistance to radical Muslim areas... notably the Middle East.. they see this as, not only a sign of weakness... but also of the kind of bowing down and offering that they demand from any subservient and subordinate group (Infidel/Kaffer).

They imagine, in the fevered halls of their minds... that when 'we' hold out the hand of peace and comfort and assistance to assist THEM to rise above a level of filth and depravity and human degradation unknown in the West for generations... that we are weak and subservient to their 'greater and more moral' belief system.

Stop The Aid Programs.. And Send The Bombers!  Lock Them In - Drop Arms And Ammunition - Let Them Sort Themselves Out Over Their Own Dead Bodies!

Lock The Gates!

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