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Reply #120 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 12:35pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 11:48am:
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Give me one concept that is not man made.

Of course its all man made, or man conceived. But that doesnt make it 'all the same'.


Good question!  When you realized that, then you are able to look at the world with more rational and objective perspective.  Atrocities do happen, and due to many man made reasons.  However, now, instead of easier way out: e.g. looking for differences in skin color, and religion on the surface, we can go into depth, and get to the root of the problem. 

With this rational perspective, we can go after the real perpetrators who committed a crime, instead of accusing other innocent people who had nothing to do with those atrocities. 

For example, those men in Afghanistan who rapes young children.  If you have godly power, and absolutely destroy the ideology of Islam, the same men will still carry on as usual raping young children. They could have easily said well I can do that, what are you going to do about it.    But if you put in effective law, and enforcement, with increase education for the masses, then such thing will not happen. 


Good grief what don't you get about a religion & it's Holy men who teach that women are unclean & they have to be covered up head to toe is going to cause the men to go looking elsewhere?

Besides the little boys ... the goats, donkeys, camels etc. cop a lot of man love.
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Reply #121 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:01pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 12:35pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 11:48am:
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Give me one concept that is not man made.

Of course its all man made, or man conceived. But that doesnt make it 'all the same'.


Good question!  When you realized that, then you are able to look at the world with more rational and objective perspective.  Atrocities do happen, and due to many man made reasons.  However, now, instead of easier way out: e.g. looking for differences in skin color, and religion on the surface, we can go into depth, and get to the root of the problem. 

With this rational perspective, we can go after the real perpetrators who committed a crime, instead of accusing other innocent people who had nothing to do with those atrocities. 

For example, those men in Afghanistan who rapes young children.  If you have godly power, and absolutely destroy the ideology of Islam, the same men will still carry on as usual raping young children. They could have easily said well I can do that, what are you going to do about it.    But if you put in effective law, and enforcement, with increase education for the masses, then such thing will not happen. 


Good grief what don't you get about a religion & it's Holy men who teach that women are unclean & they have to be covered up head to toe is going to cause the men to go looking elsewhere?

Besides the little boys ... the goats, donkeys, camels etc. cop a lot of man love.


Gnad, let me make this very very clear to you.  All of this.. religion stuff, they are man made.  They made it in a time, where science and technology are not advanced, however, human mind need some sort of 'explanation' for the things we cant explain.  Sharia law was man made.  But the main purpose of which, is to control the population by the ruling class. 

And besides, the concept that woman are not clean, predates Islam.  The concept of sinfulness of mankind and that of woman had its roots in Christianity, in the form of Original sin.

Now, why basically every region in the world seek to control women?  When you look through the veils of tradition, it boils down to survival.  In the past, if a tribe, or country wants to survive, it need to have a strong military and economy.  There can be no military not economy without a healthy fighting and working population.  Controlling the women is about controlling the fertility.   And religion is one of ways that our ruling class have devised to rule us and to divide us. 

For example, back in the medieval times, marrying outside religions (Christians and pagans, Christians and Muslims), or even within religion (protestants and catholics) were seen as highly forbidden, even as bad as marrying outside your class / caste.   They are tools to control to subjugate us for their gains. 

You need to transcend your thought process.  We are lucky that we live in Australia, under secular governance.  It is an opportunity that not everyone in the world has.  See through the illusions that other have created around you, go and make a friend with a muslim. See him not as a Muslim, an Arabic, or an Asian, see him as a human being.  And then all of sudden two person would be happy instead of none.  Smiley 
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Reply #122 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:30pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 11:48am:
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Give me one concept that is not man made.

Of course its all man made, or man conceived. But that doesnt make it 'all the same'.


Good question!  When you realized that, then you are able to look at the world with more rational and objective perspective.  Atrocities do happen, and due to many man made reasons.  However, now, instead of easier way out: e.g. looking for differences in skin color, and religion on the surface, we can go into depth, and get to the root of the problem. 

With this rational perspective, we can go after the real perpetrators who committed a crime, instead of accusing other innocent people who had nothing to do with those atrocities. 

For example, those men in Afghanistan who rapes young children.  If you have godly power, and absolutely destroy the ideology of Islam, the same men will still carry on as usual raping young children. They could have easily said well I can do that, what are you going to do about it.    But if you put in effective law, and enforcement, with increase education for the masses, then such thing will not happen. 

You are completely naive, arent you?

'Rational and objective' are themselves concepts, as is the idea of having different perspectives, a metaphore made from applying the sensory experience of seeing to comprehending the world conceptually which is not a visual experience.

Raping young children because Mohammed did it SO it's 'not rape but ok by Allah'  and is done openly is not the same as a priest, who KNOWS it's  not OK, and then furtively does rape children and tries to hide it. In the former's  world the brute is an upright son of Mohammed, the latter a criminal even in his own eyes and he knows he is doing wrong.
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Reply #123 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:50pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:30pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 11:48am:
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Give me one concept that is not man made.

Of course its all man made, or man conceived. But that doesnt make it 'all the same'.


Good question!  When you realized that, then you are able to look at the world with more rational and objective perspective.  Atrocities do happen, and due to many man made reasons.  However, now, instead of easier way out: e.g. looking for differences in skin color, and religion on the surface, we can go into depth, and get to the root of the problem. 

With this rational perspective, we can go after the real perpetrators who committed a crime, instead of accusing other innocent people who had nothing to do with those atrocities. 

For example, those men in Afghanistan who rapes young children.  If you have godly power, and absolutely destroy the ideology of Islam, the same men will still carry on as usual raping young children. They could have easily said well I can do that, what are you going to do about it.    But if you put in effective law, and enforcement, with increase education for the masses, then such thing will not happen. 

You are completely naive, arent you?

'Rational and objective' are themselves concepts, as is the idea of having different perspectives, a metaphore made from applying the sensory experience of seeing to comprehending the world conceptually which is not a visual experience.

Raping young children because Mohammed did it SO it's 'not rape but ok by Allah'  and is done openly is not the same as a priest, who KNOWS it's  not OK, and then furtively does rape children and tries to hide it. In the former's  world the brute is an upright son of Mohammed, the latter a criminal even in his own eyes and he knows he is doing wrong.


Well you are a human being, no matter where you live, which ever person you talk to, raping young children is not okay.  Everyone knows it.  Those perpetrators in Afghanistan provided an excuse, but the reason that they actually provide an excuse is because they precisely know that they are wrong.  They are not sorry about it, not because some fancy figure alleged to have married a child bride more than a thousand years ago, but because they were driven by their own lust and human imperfection.   THEY need to be held responsible for what they are doing, no Islam, no Mohammad, but themselves.   And to do anything else, is to deny justice to the victims.

N.b. Both objective and rational implies that we need to make decision free from our own personal emotions, and put more weight on actual facts and evidences.
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Re: Muslim cleric: ‘Merry Christmas’ worse than murder
Reply #124 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 4:14pm
 
tickleandrose wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:50pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:30pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 11:48am:
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Give me one concept that is not man made.

Of course its all man made, or man conceived. But that doesnt make it 'all the same'.


Good question!  When you realized that, then you are able to look at the world with more rational and objective perspective.  Atrocities do happen, and due to many man made reasons.  However, now, instead of easier way out: e.g. looking for differences in skin color, and religion on the surface, we can go into depth, and get to the root of the problem. 

With this rational perspective, we can go after the real perpetrators who committed a crime, instead of accusing other innocent people who had nothing to do with those atrocities. 

For example, those men in Afghanistan who rapes young children.  If you have godly power, and absolutely destroy the ideology of Islam, the same men will still carry on as usual raping young children. They could have easily said well I can do that, what are you going to do about it.    But if you put in effective law, and enforcement, with increase education for the masses, then such thing will not happen. 

You are completely naive, arent you?

'Rational and objective' are themselves concepts, as is the idea of having different perspectives, a metaphore made from applying the sensory experience of seeing to comprehending the world conceptually which is not a visual experience.

Raping young children because Mohammed did it SO it's 'not rape but ok by Allah'  and is done openly is not the same as a priest, who KNOWS it's  not OK, and then furtively does rape children and tries to hide it. In the former's  world the brute is an upright son of Mohammed, the latter a criminal even in his own eyes and he knows he is doing wrong.


Well you are a human being, no matter where you live, which ever person you talk to, raping young children is not okay.  Everyone knows it.  Those perpetrators in Afghanistan provided an excuse, but the reason that they actually provide an excuse is because they precisely know that they are wrong.  They are not sorry about it, not because some fancy figure alleged to have married a child bride more than a thousand years ago, but because they were driven by their own lust and human imperfection.   THEY need to be held responsible for what they are doing, no Islam, no Mohammad, but themselves.   And to do anything else, is to deny justice to the victims.



It's  their 'culture'. In their reckoning and law thee is nothing to hold them responsible for be cause they probably paid the parents sufficiently. They punish severly people they hold responsible for crimes in their reckoning and law.

Your 'objective and rational' are meaningless to them.
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Reply #125 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 5:58pm
 
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Again this is where the religion differs.  Christianity and Islam have alot of similarities, however, the core belief are different.   Christianity also have many pagan roots.  This is how religion developed over time.  For example:

Halloween: observed by western Christians, and widely celebrated in USA and Australia.  Was in fact linked to Gaelic and Welsh influence.

Christmas: perhaps the most important day after Easter, was a pagan holiday making the winter solstice.

The actual symbol of Santa Clause is infact designed by Coca Cola, even.  So you can say its strictly pagan symbol as well if go by a more hardline doctrine. 

However, what use is that to debate about something that is theological and cannot be proven?  So what if its moon god, so what if the Christmas was a pagan holiday.  At the end of day, it is how we treat each other right now, at this life time that matters.


You're all over the shop t&r, one minute they are all Abrahamic, the next well yes they do have pagan roots.

You have a couple of points that are totally flawed:

First off Christianity doesn't have pagan roots, the roots of Christianity (and the foretelling of Christ) are in Judaism, a solely monotheistic belief.

Easter is a Christian religious festival based on the Passover of Judaism (the sacrificial lamb of Judaism is now Jesus in Christianity)

Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Christ, many people link it to pagan roots.

Both of these religious festivals have been commercialized so it's only the believers who see them as spiritual festivals, the rest of the people simply see them as public holidays.

Now it's entirely different with the islamic pagan rituals, the islamic rituals mentioned are an exact same copy of the pagan moon god rituals, nothing has changed except the ancient pagan rituals were to honour a moon god called allah, todays' islamic rituals honour a reinvented moon god allah (muhammad changed moon god allah into a monotheistic god, he also changed allah into a god of pure hatred of all non believers)

I think you're trying to excuse the role islam plays in the behaviour of muslims today 2019, well you can apologize as much as you like for islam because the facts are:

All men proclaim their gods in the image of their own inner self.

muhammad was a pedophile thief liar rapist torturer and mass murderer by todays 2019 standards (so is the god proclaimed by him).

muhammad is cited as the best example to follow for all muslims.

muslims who commit islamic human rights atrocities are all 100% convinced they are doing the right thing doctrinally, they are simply raping torturing and slaughtering the enemies of allah, exactly the same as muhammad did, they offer their evil deeds up to allah as a sacrifice every time the commit them.
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Reply #126 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 6:06pm
 
tickleandrose  wrote; Reply #112 - Today at 9:24am
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They are doing horrible things because there is an environment for them to which this occurs.  In India, not only there is caste system, there is also unequal treatment of woman.  As such the judiciary system was heavily biased.   This allowed crimes not to be punished in the first place, and so the so called 'culture' arised after that.

The same is in Afghanistan.  They do things that they like, raping kids, and no one hold them accountable.  So they make excuses, they could have easily have said, so? I did it, what are you doing to do about it.  But, had they tried to do this as a common man in say even Saudi Arabia, they are likely to face the death penalty by the religious police.  Again, its about people's position, and what they can get away with. 

And the same was in Australia.  We just had a royal commission into institutionalized child sex abuse.  And we have uncovered, wide spread cover up of sexual abuse, including rape, perpetrated by clergies, and also people in power.  The victims are often left to fend for themselves with no justice.    This even occurred in our parts of world where laws were designed to protect children and yet was useless.   Someone in say Japan or China would read this on their news, and reckon all Christians are child
rapists but is that a fair assessment of all Christians? 

No it goes beyond just Christians and Muslims. Rape, and murder have existed long before these two religions, and existed where those religions werent.  The existence of Christian and Islam are short comparing to the evolutionary history of mankind.    I can guarantee that rape and murder will continue long after Christianity and Islam cease to exist.


O.K so you acknowledge that India has a culture which sponsors the abhorrent treatment of the females.

You then go on to the rape of little kids by catholics etc and muslims.

You once again have given flawed logic.

There is absolutely nothing in the teachings of Christ which promote rape torture and murder. The men who do this under the guise of Christianity are cowards who sneak around always lying and evading the law to the best of their ability. (we are starting to bring quiet a few of them to justice now, so that's a credit to our civilization)

Now get to the people you defend all the time, in islam forced child marriage results in horrific conditions for little girls it's a world wide problem in islam Why?

The reason muslims see no harm in their evil practices, is simpy muhammad did it, he is the best example so they can do it too.

Yes there are repulsive people in all walks of life and all cultures, however in islamic culture their qur'an actually promotes the rape torture and killing. (no other belief does this)

I blame the religion of islam for their terror status, their refugee status, their inbreeding status, their low I.Q. status, their poverty status.

If you're genuine and want to stop the islamic bloodshed death and destruction, you will be honest about the evil in the qur'an and would want a thorough investigation into the depravity in the qur'an which is the rudimentary  cause of all the muslims' problem.
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Reply #127 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 7:31pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 5:58pm:
First off Christianity doesn't have pagan roots, the roots of Christianity (and the foretelling of Christ) are in Judaism, a solely monotheistic belief.


Sure of that, Moses?  Really?

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The origins of Judaism lie in the Bronze Age amidst polytheistic ancient Semitic religions, specifically Canaanite religion, co-existing with a syncretization with elements of Babylonian religion and of the worship of Yahweh reflected in the early prophetic books of the Hebrew Bible.

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The milieu from which Israelite religion emerged was accordingly Canaanite.[30] El, "the kind, the compassionate," "the creator of creatures," was the chief of the Canaanite gods,[31] and he, not Yahweh, was the original "God of Israel"—the word "Israel" is based on the name El rather than Yahweh.[32] He lived in a tent on a mountain from whose base originated all the fresh waters of the world, with the goddess Asherah as his consort.[31][33] This pair made up the top tier of the Canaanite pantheon;[31] the second tier was made up of their children, the "seventy sons of Athirat" (a variant of the name Asherah).[34] Prominent in this group was Baal, who had his home on Mount Zaphon; over time Baal became the dominant Canaanite deity, so that El became the executive power and Baal the military power in the cosmos.[35] Baal's sphere was the thunderstorm with its life-giving rains, so that he was also a fertility god, although not quite the fertility god.[36] Below the seventy second-tier gods was a third tier made up of comparatively minor craftsman and trader deities, with a fourth and final tier of divine messengers and the like.[34] El and his sons made up the Assembly of the Gods, each member of which had a human nation under his care, and a textual variant of Deuteronomy 32:8–9 describes El dividing the nations of the world among his sons, with Yahweh receiving Israel.

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Appears to me it was based on paganism originally, Moses.   Isn't that what you charge Islam with?  Tsk, tsk, just think, both religions with similar roots...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #128 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 7:33pm
 
moses wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 6:06pm:
tickleandrose  wrote; Reply #112 - Today at 9:24am
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They are doing horrible things because there is an environment for them to which this occurs.  In India, not only there is caste system, there is also unequal treatment of woman.  As such the judiciary system was heavily biased.   This allowed crimes not to be punished in the first place, and so the so called 'culture' arised after that.

The same is in Afghanistan.  They do things that they like, raping kids, and no one hold them accountable.  So they make excuses, they could have easily have said, so? I did it, what are you doing to do about it.  But, had they tried to do this as a common man in say even Saudi Arabia, they are likely to face the death penalty by the religious police.  Again, its about people's position, and what they can get away with. 

And the same was in Australia.  We just had a royal commission into institutionalized child sex abuse.  And we have uncovered, wide spread cover up of sexual abuse, including rape, perpetrated by clergies, and also people in power.  The victims are often left to fend for themselves with no justice.    This even occurred in our parts of world where laws were designed to protect children and yet was useless.   Someone in say Japan or China would read this on their news, and reckon all Christians are child
rapists but is that a fair assessment of all Christians? 

No it goes beyond just Christians and Muslims. Rape, and murder have existed long before these two religions, and existed where those religions werent.  The existence of Christian and Islam are short comparing to the evolutionary history of mankind.    I can guarantee that rape and murder will continue long after Christianity and Islam cease to exist.


O.K so you acknowledge that India has a culture which sponsors the abhorrent treatment of the females.

You then go on to the rape of little kids by catholics...


Funny, Moses, I don't see a single mention of the word "Catholic" in Rose's commentary.  Surely you mean "Christians", don't you or are you fibbing again to cover up what the Royal Commission actually discovered?   Mmmmm?   Typical.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #129 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 8:28pm
 
.. and  Merry Christmas to you, too, Ach-Med!  Wait until Easter - we've got something extra special for you!  Have you jumping up and down like a Dervish on hot coals....
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Reply #130 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:12pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 3:26pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 3:07pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 2:54pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 2:44pm:
To this day Muslims campaign against minimum age of consent laws because their religion prevents them from even suggesting Muhammad might have done something wrong by having sex with children.

But Aussie would rather see those children continue to get raped than acknowledge the role Islam plays- hence his moronic BS about god having sex.


Ah...so you are calling the Old Testament moronic bullshit.  Fine by me, Effendi.  I agree 100%.


OK Aussie you told us all you have no clue about Islam, but seriously? Jesus is the new testament.


My bad.  I should have said New Testament.  So you finally agree it too is moronic bullshit.  I agree 100%.


I am not sure what your point is. Muhammad buggered kiddies, so Muslims today oppose legal restrictions on kiddie smacking in Muhammad's name. Aussie pretends this is not happening and tries to read pedophilia into the birth of Jesus.

Do you actually want children to continue being raped in the name of Islam, or is there something else that motivates you, and the child victims of Muslim pedophiles are just some kind of collateral damage?
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Reply #131 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 9:06am
 
moses wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 5:58pm:
tickleandrose  wrote: Reply #111 - Today at 9:19am
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Again this is where the religion differs.  Christianity and Islam have alot of similarities, however, the core belief are different.   Christianity also have many pagan roots.  This is how religion developed over time.  For example:

Halloween: observed by western Christians, and widely celebrated in USA and Australia.  Was in fact linked to Gaelic and Welsh influence.

Christmas: perhaps the most important day after Easter, was a pagan holiday making the winter solstice.

The actual symbol of Santa Clause is infact designed by Coca Cola, even.  So you can say its strictly pagan symbol as well if go by a more hardline doctrine. 

However, what use is that to debate about something that is theological and cannot be proven?  So what if its moon god, so what if the Christmas was a pagan holiday.  At the end of day, it is how we treat each other right now, at this life time that matters.


You're all over the shop t&r, one minute they are all Abrahamic, the next well yes they do have pagan roots.

You have a couple of points that are totally flawed:

First off Christianity doesn't have pagan roots, the roots of Christianity (and the foretelling of Christ) are in Judaism, a solely monotheistic belief.

Easter is a Christian religious festival based on the Passover of Judaism (the sacrificial lamb of Judaism is now Jesus in Christianity)

Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Christ, many people link it to pagan roots.

Both of these religious festivals have been commercialized so it's only the believers who see them as spiritual festivals, the rest of the people simply see them as public holidays.

Now it's entirely different with the islamic pagan rituals, the islamic rituals mentioned are an exact same copy of the pagan moon god rituals, nothing has changed except the ancient pagan rituals were to honour a moon god called allah, todays' islamic rituals honour a reinvented moon god allah (muhammad changed moon god allah into a monotheistic god, he also changed allah into a god of pure hatred of all non believers)

I think you're trying to excuse the role islam plays in the behaviour of muslims today 2019, well you can apologize as much as you like for islam because the facts are:

All men proclaim their gods in the image of their own inner self.

muhammad was a pedophile thief liar rapist torturer and mass murderer by todays 2019 standards (so is the god proclaimed by him).

muhammad is cited as the best example to follow for all muslims.

muslims who commit islamic human rights atrocities are all 100% convinced they are doing the right thing doctrinally, they are simply raping torturing and slaughtering the enemies of allah, exactly the same as muhammad did, they offer their evil deeds up to allah as a sacrifice every time the commit them.


Moses, when you list the things you think that are pagan in Islam to dispute that its a Abrahamic, I easily listed two of the traditions that are Christian, and yet, pagan.   If you go into history a bit more, you would find that most religions in the world are have certain things that other have.  It is because, the people interact with each other, learn off each other. 

But at the end of the day, my original point still stands, what use is to dispute it was a 'moon god' or not.  It was all tools written by men to divide and rule the population from a historic point of view.
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Reply #132 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 9:12am
 
moses wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 6:06pm:
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They are doing horrible things because there is an environment for them to which this occurs.  In India, not only there is caste system, there is also unequal treatment of woman.  As such the judiciary system was heavily biased.   This allowed crimes not to be punished in the first place, and so the so called 'culture' arised after that.

The same is in Afghanistan.  They do things that they like, raping kids, and no one hold them accountable.  So they make excuses, they could have easily have said, so? I did it, what are you doing to do about it.  But, had they tried to do this as a common man in say even Saudi Arabia, they are likely to face the death penalty by the religious police.  Again, its about people's position, and what they can get away with. 

And the same was in Australia.  We just had a royal commission into institutionalized child sex abuse.  And we have uncovered, wide spread cover up of sexual abuse, including rape, perpetrated by clergies, and also people in power.  The victims are often left to fend for themselves with no justice.    This even occurred in our parts of world where laws were designed to protect children and yet was useless.   Someone in say Japan or China would read this on their news, and reckon all Christians are child
rapists but is that a fair assessment of all Christians? 

No it goes beyond just Christians and Muslims. Rape, and murder have existed long before these two religions, and existed where those religions werent.  The existence of Christian and Islam are short comparing to the evolutionary history of mankind.    I can guarantee that rape and murder will continue long after Christianity and Islam cease to exist.


O.K so you acknowledge that India has a culture which sponsors the abhorrent treatment of the females.

You then go on to the rape of little kids by catholics etc and muslims.

You once again have given flawed logic.

There is absolutely nothing in the teachings of Christ which promote rape torture and murder. The men who do this under the guise of Christianity are cowards who sneak around always lying and evading the law to the best of their ability. (we are starting to bring quiet a few of them to justice now, so that's a credit to our civilization)

Now get to the people you defend all the time, in islam forced child marriage results in horrific conditions for little girls it's a world wide problem in islam Why?

The reason muslims see no harm in their evil practices, is simpy muhammad did it, he is the best example so they can do it too.

Yes there are repulsive people in all walks of life and all cultures, however in islamic culture their qur'an actually promotes the rape torture and killing. (no other belief does this)

I blame the religion of islam for their terror status, their refugee status, their inbreeding status, their low I.Q. status, their poverty status.

If you're genuine and want to stop the islamic bloodshed death and destruction, you will be honest about the evil in the qur'an and would want a thorough investigation into the depravity in the qur'an which is the rudimentary  cause of all the muslims' problem.


Mose that is a very simplistic view of the world.  Our fundamental difference is that, you believe people do evil things because of some text telling them to, and the action of someone who lived more than thousand years ago.   I think differently.  Because, people had been doing terrible things to each other long before our written history.    The reason why people do it, its precisely because they know they can get away with it. 

Even if today, Mose, that you have godly powers, and all of sudden you remove the entire Islam religion from the face of the Earth.  If those areas are to remain lawless, then you can be sure that terrible things will continue to happen again and again and again.
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Reply #133 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 9:13am
 
tickleandrose wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:01pm:
Gnads wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 12:35pm:
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Give me one concept that is not man made.

Of course its all man made, or man conceived. But that doesnt make it 'all the same'.


Good question!  When you realized that, then you are able to look at the world with more rational and objective perspective.  Atrocities do happen, and due to many man made reasons.  However, now, instead of easier way out: e.g. looking for differences in skin color, and religion on the surface, we can go into depth, and get to the root of the problem. 

With this rational perspective, we can go after the real perpetrators who committed a crime, instead of accusing other innocent people who had nothing to do with those atrocities. 

For example, those men in Afghanistan who rapes young children.  If you have godly power, and absolutely destroy the ideology of Islam, the same men will still carry on as usual raping young children. They could have easily said well I can do that, what are you going to do about it.    But if you put in effective law, and enforcement, with increase education for the masses, then such thing will not happen. 


Good grief what don't you get about a religion & it's Holy men who teach that women are unclean & they have to be covered up head to toe is going to cause the men to go looking elsewhere?

Besides the little boys ... the goats, donkeys, camels etc. cop a lot of man love.


Gnad, let me make this very very clear to you.  All of this.. religion stuff, they are man made.  They made it in a time, where science and technology are not advanced, however, human mind need some sort of 'explanation' for the things we cant explain.  Sharia law was man made.  But the main purpose of which, is to control the population by the ruling class. 

And besides, the concept that woman are not clean, predates Islam.  The concept of sinfulness of mankind and that of woman had its roots in Christianity, in the form of Original sin.

Now, why basically every region in the world seek to control women?  When you look through the veils of tradition, it boils down to survival.  In the past, if a tribe, or country wants to survive, it need to have a strong military and economy.  There can be no military not economy without a healthy fighting and working population.  Controlling the women is about controlling the fertility.   And religion is one of ways that our ruling class have devised to rule us and to divide us. 

For example, back in the medieval times, marrying outside religions (Christians and pagans, Christians and Muslims), or even within religion (protestants and catholics) were seen as highly forbidden, even as bad as marrying outside your class / caste.   They are tools to control to subjugate us for their gains. 

You need to transcend your thought process.  We are lucky that we live in Australia, under secular governance.  It is an opportunity that not everyone in the world has.  See through the illusions that other have created around you, go and make a friend with a muslim. See him not as a Muslim, an Arabic, or an Asian, see him as a human being.  And then all of sudden two person would be happy instead of none.  Smiley 


Oh durrrrh ..... and despite global advancement in education, science & technology these people still cling to dark ages religious dogma.

They fight wars with modern weapons, they kill their own & other with same .... except when punishing their women ... they revert back to stones for them.

Everything is "man made" ......

stop making excuses for barbarism & devotion to a 1400 yr old doctrine that promotes murder & paedophilia and is carried out by supposedly 21st century human beings.


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Re: Muslim cleric: ‘Merry Christmas’ worse than murder
Reply #134 - Jan 8th, 2019 at 9:22am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 4:14pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:50pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 1:30pm:
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Give me one concept that is not man made.

Of course its all man made, or man conceived. But that doesnt make it 'all the same'.


Good question!  When you realized that, then you are able to look at the world with more rational and objective perspective.  Atrocities do happen, and due to many man made reasons.  However, now, instead of easier way out: e.g. looking for differences in skin color, and religion on the surface, we can go into depth, and get to the root of the problem. 

With this rational perspective, we can go after the real perpetrators who committed a crime, instead of accusing other innocent people who had nothing to do with those atrocities. 

For example, those men in Afghanistan who rapes young children.  If you have godly power, and absolutely destroy the ideology of Islam, the same men will still carry on as usual raping young children. They could have easily said well I can do that, what are you going to do about it.    But if you put in effective law, and enforcement, with increase education for the masses, then such thing will not happen. 

You are completely naive, arent you?

'Rational and objective' are themselves concepts, as is the idea of having different perspectives, a metaphore made from applying the sensory experience of seeing to comprehending the world conceptually which is not a visual experience.

Raping young children because Mohammed did it SO it's 'not rape but ok by Allah'  and is done openly is not the same as a priest, who KNOWS it's  not OK, and then furtively does rape children and tries to hide it. In the former's  world the brute is an upright son of Mohammed, the latter a criminal even in his own eyes and he knows he is doing wrong.


Well you are a human being, no matter where you live, which ever person you talk to, raping young children is not okay.  Everyone knows it.  Those perpetrators in Afghanistan provided an excuse, but the reason that they actually provide an excuse is because they precisely know that they are wrong.  They are not sorry about it, not because some fancy figure alleged to have married a child bride more than a thousand years ago, but because they were driven by their own lust and human imperfection.   THEY need to be held responsible for what they are doing, no Islam, no Mohammad, but themselves.   And to do anything else, is to deny justice to the victims.



It's  their 'culture'. In their reckoning and law thee is nothing to hold them responsible for be cause they probably paid the parents sufficiently. They punish severly people they hold responsible for crimes in their reckoning and law.

Your 'objective and rational' are meaningless to them.


Frank!  You are nearly there!  Now, see through the last veil of their excuses.  Its not about culture, its not about religion.  They do it, because they give into their own inner sins, they do it because they know they can get away with it.   See if they try to do something like this in North Korea, or even say China, they would probably face the firing squad even.
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