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Reply #105 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 2:54pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 2:44pm:
To this day Muslims campaign against minimum age of consent laws because their religion prevents them from even suggesting Muhammad might have done something wrong by having sex with children.

But Aussie would rather see those children continue to get raped than acknowledge the role Islam plays- hence his moronic BS about god having sex.


Ah...so you are calling the Old Testament moronic bullshit.  Fine by me, Effendi.  I agree 100%.
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Reply #106 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 2:56pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 2:37pm:
Gnads wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 2:31pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 1:21pm:
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They attempt to redefine pedophile, but they do that with slavery, rape, murder, genocide and all the other nasty things Muhammad did, without disputing any of the facts. It is mainstream Islamic belief that Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old girl when he was over 50 years old. Trying to put a positive spin on sex with children does not mean Muhammad did not have sex with children.


That is one of the horses you love riding to death Effendi, and you keep ignoring the fact that God, it is said by Christians, in an act of adultery, impregnated the virgin child Bride of Joseph and at that time who knows how old God was.  Can you explain why Christians follow the word of such an adulterous paedophile?


Repetitious bs Aussie ... as an omnipotent God
that no one can see .... and in the light of so called biblical miracles & curses that have supposedly occurred why do you persist with the notion that God had a physical relationship to impregnate Mary immaculately?

If you had suggested physical relationships by Jesus or Muhammad you may have a point.

But as a comparison i.e God to Muhammads actions

you don't have a point ... score zero.


Repetitious?  Gawd, do you not read Effendi.  He never stops regaling us with the tale of an alleged paedo Mo, yet he ignores that Christian history is rife with it.


So you think regaling us with BS that God had an adulterous sexual relationship with Mary is a winning counter point?  Roll Eyes

There's nothing alleged about Mo being a paedo ... he was. So were any 50 yr old men in that era who were having sex with 9 yr olds.

And btw it wasn't just with young girls ...boys as well.

https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/brinkley/article/Afghanistan-s-dirty-little-secre...

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For centuries, Afghan men have taken boys, roughly 9 to 15 years old, as lovers.


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"Having a boy has become a custom for us," Enayatullah, a 42-year-old in Baghlan province, told a Reuters reporter. "Whoever wants to show off should have a boy."


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And how did Afghanistan become the pedophilia capital of Asia?

Sociologists and anthropologists say the problem results from perverse interpretation of Islamic law. Women are simply unapproachable. Afghan men cannot talk to an unrelated woman until after proposing marriage. Before then, they can't even look at a woman, except perhaps her feet. Otherwise she is covered, head to ankle.

"How can you fall in love if you can't see her face," 29-year-old Mohammed Daud told reporters. "We can see the boys, so we can tell which are beautiful."


Even after marriage, many men keep their boys, suggesting a loveless life at home. A favored Afghan expression goes: "Women are for children, boys are for pleasure." Fundamentalist imams, exaggerating a biblical passage on menstruation, teach that women are "unclean" and therefore distasteful. One married man even asked Cardinalli's team "how his wife could become pregnant," her report said. When that was explained, he "reacted with disgust" and asked, "How could one feel desire to be with a woman, who God has made unclean?"

That helps explain why women are hidden away - and stoned to death if they are perceived to have misbehaved. Islamic law also forbids homosexuality. But the pedophiles explain that away. It's not homosexuality, they aver, because they aren't in love with their boys.


They aren't they only Muslims who do this. Today.  Roll Eyes
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Re: Muslim cleric: ‘Merry Christmas’ worse than murder
Reply #107 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 3:07pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 2:54pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 2:44pm:
To this day Muslims campaign against minimum age of consent laws because their religion prevents them from even suggesting Muhammad might have done something wrong by having sex with children.

But Aussie would rather see those children continue to get raped than acknowledge the role Islam plays- hence his moronic BS about god having sex.


Ah...so you are calling the Old Testament moronic bullshit.  Fine by me, Effendi.  I agree 100%.


OK Aussie you told us all you have no clue about Islam, but seriously? Jesus is the new testament.
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Reply #108 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 3:16pm
 
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Islam actually also believe in the New Testament,


muslims believe in an injeel / N.T. that their version of Yeheshua bought with him (the truth being that the N.T. started about 100 years after the death of Christ), they also believe that their version of Yeheshua / Jesus will return to earth and break the cross and kill all Christians who refuse to convert to islam.

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In fact, Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".


1/. Use of word allah: Of course they do under pain of death if they dared to say allah wasn't God.

2/. Abrahamic faith: Why does islam retain many of the pagan moon god rituals e.g.:

allah the moon god (reinvented into a monotheistic god),

The Kaba,

The black stone,

Kissing the black stone

Walking around the black stone

Praying towards towards Mecca 5 times a day,

muslim holy month starts at new moon

Crescent moon symbol

Pagan moon god allahs' three daughters part of qur'an (originally the satanic verses)

"The Run"  between As-Safa and Al-Marwah.

Throwing stones at evil spirits.

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However, you must realize that 1.8 billion followers today ultimately follows the old god, the same god that was Christian and Jewish.  To them, Mohammad was the last messenger.


1.8 billion muslims follow muhammads reinvented version of the pagan moon god allah, muhammad turned the old moon god allah into a god of hatred, a god who declared that muhammad was the perfect example for mankind, a god who said rape torture and mass murder were O.K..

if you're going to try the old *but the old testament said the same things* excuse I'll answer that now: the O.T. is written in the past tense it's stories are all related to long gone past events of the Hebrew people.

The qur'an is written in the present and future tense, that's why muslims today 2019 are committing the most heinous of human rights atrocities against their fellow man, they are following the best example muhammad all of them certain they will get the hour'is with big tits and the little boys scattered like pearls in paradise.

Today right now 2019 there is no other religion that has its' members listed as the top 26 (last time I looked) terrorist organizations, no other religion has its' members as the worlds' refugee problem, no other religion which starves and murders children in the tens of thousands like the followers of islam do, no other religion rapes little girls with their forced child marriage like muslim do.

When are you going to stop making excuses for this evil reinvented pagan moon god cult?
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Reply #109 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 3:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 3:07pm:
Aussie wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 2:54pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 2:44pm:
To this day Muslims campaign against minimum age of consent laws because their religion prevents them from even suggesting Muhammad might have done something wrong by having sex with children.

But Aussie would rather see those children continue to get raped than acknowledge the role Islam plays- hence his moronic BS about god having sex.


Ah...so you are calling the Old Testament moronic bullshit.  Fine by me, Effendi.  I agree 100%.


OK Aussie you told us all you have no clue about Islam, but seriously? Jesus is the new testament.


My bad.  I should have said New Testament.  So you finally agree it too is moronic bullshit.  I agree 100%.
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Reply #110 - Jan 6th, 2019 at 5:04pm
 
tickleandrose  wrote: Reply #94

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People do horrible things, rape killing - with many different reasons.  But at the end of the day, it is not because of religion, law, or culture that driven them to do it.


The treatment of baby girls, little girls born into the wrong situation, and lower class women in general, in India, is absolutely apalling, I believe this is because of culture and religion.


I agree with you that there are some sick individuals who torture and murder innocent women  / girls also.

Now to get to religious doctrine having an effect on behaviour, Christianity comes out the best when it comes to respective doctrine e.g.:

N.t.: Quote:
John 8:3  And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
John 8:4  They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
John 8:5  Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Joh 8:6  This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
John 8:7  So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her


Christ represents forgiveness and compassion.

qur'an Quote:
qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death claims them.

qur'an 4.34: Men are the maintainers of women because allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely allah is high, great.

qur’an 24:33 “Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.


Same old same old, islam is all about rape, bashing women and locking them in a house until they die.

------and we still have the sicko leftards arguing for and excusing islam.
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Re: Muslim cleric: ‘Merry Christmas’ worse than murder
Reply #111 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:19am
 
moses wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 3:16pm:
tickleandrose wrote:

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Islam actually also believe in the New Testament,


muslims believe in an injeel / N.T. that their version of Yeheshua bought with him (the truth being that the N.T. started about 100 years after the death of Christ), they also believe that their version of Yeheshua / Jesus will return to earth and break the cross and kill all Christians who refuse to convert to islam.

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In fact, Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".


1/. Use of word allah: Of course they do under pain of death if they dared to say allah wasn't God.

2/. Abrahamic faith: Why does islam retain many of the pagan moon god rituals e.g.:

allah the moon god (reinvented into a monotheistic god),

The Kaba,

The black stone,

Kissing the black stone

Walking around the black stone

Praying towards towards Mecca 5 times a day,

muslim holy month starts at new moon

Crescent moon symbol

Pagan moon god allahs' three daughters part of qur'an (originally the satanic verses)

"The Run"  between As-Safa and Al-Marwah.

Throwing stones at evil spirits.

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However, you must realize that 1.8 billion followers today ultimately follows the old god, the same god that was Christian and Jewish.  To them, Mohammad was the last messenger.


1.8 billion muslims follow muhammads reinvented version of the pagan moon god allah, muhammad turned the old moon god allah into a god of hatred, a god who declared that muhammad was the perfect example for mankind, a god who said rape torture and mass murder were O.K..

if you're going to try the old *but the old testament said the same things* excuse I'll answer that now: the O.T. is written in the past tense it's stories are all related to long gone past events of the Hebrew people.

The qur'an is written in the present and future tense, that's why muslims today 2019 are committing the most heinous of human rights atrocities against their fellow man, they are following the best example muhammad all of them certain they will get the hour'is with big tits and the little boys scattered like pearls in paradise.

Today right now 2019 there is no other religion that has its' members listed as the top 26 (last time I looked) terrorist organizations, no other religion has its' members as the worlds' refugee problem, no other religion which starves and murders children in the tens of thousands like the followers of islam do, no other religion rapes little girls with their forced child marriage like muslim do.

When are you going to stop making excuses for this evil reinvented pagan moon god cult?


Again this is where the religion differs.  Christianity and Islam have alot of similarities, however, the core belief are different.   Christianity also have many pagan roots.  This is how religion developed over time.  For example:

Halloween: observed by western Christians, and widely celebrated in USA and Australia.  Was in fact linked to Gaelic and Welsh influence.

Christmas: perhaps the most important day after Easter, was a pagan holiday making the winter solstice.

The actual symbol of Santa Clause is infact designed by Coca Cola, even.  So you can say its strictly pagan symbol as well if go by a more hardline doctrine. 

However, what use is that to debate about something that is theological and cannot be proven?  So what if its moon god, so what if the Christmas was a pagan holiday.  At the end of day, it is how we treat each other right now, at this life time that matters.



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Reply #112 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:24am
 
moses wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 5:04pm:
tickleandrose  wrote: Reply #94

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People do horrible things, rape killing - with many different reasons.  But at the end of the day, it is not because of religion, law, or culture that driven them to do it.


The treatment of baby girls, little girls born into the wrong situation, and lower class women in general, in India, is absolutely apalling, I believe this is because of culture and religion.


I agree with you that there are some sick individuals who torture and murder innocent women  / girls also.

Now to get to religious doctrine having an effect on behaviour, Christianity comes out the best when it comes to respective doctrine e.g.:

N.t.: Quote:
John 8:3  And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
John 8:4  They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
John 8:5  Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Joh 8:6  This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
John 8:7  So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her


Christ represents forgiveness and compassion.

qur'an Quote:
qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death claims them.

qur'an 4.34: Men are the maintainers of women because allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely allah is high, great.

qur’an 24:33 “Force not your slave-girls to whoredom (prostitution) if they desire chastity, that you may seek enjoyment of this life; and whoever compels them, then surely after their compulsion Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.


Same old same old, islam is all about rape, bashing women and locking them in a house until they die.

------and we still have the sicko leftards arguing for and excusing islam.


They are doing horrible things because there is an environment for them to which this occurs.  In India, not only there is caste system, there is also unequal treatment of woman.  As such the judiciary system was heavily biased.   This allowed crimes not to be punished in the first place, and so the so called 'culture' arised after that.

The same is in Afghanistan.  They do things that they like, raping kids, and no one hold them accountable.  So they make excuses, they could have easily have said, so? I did it, what are you doing to do about it.  But, had they tried to do this as a common man in say even Saudi Arabia, they are likely to face the death penalty by the religious police.  Again, its about people's position, and what they can get away with. 

And the same was in Australia.  We just had a royal commission into institutionalized child sex abuse.  And we have uncovered, wide spread cover up of sexual abuse, including rape, perpetrated by clergies, and also people in power.  The victims are often left to fend for themselves with no justice.    This even occurred in our parts of world where laws were designed to protect children and yet was useless.   Someone in say Japan or China would read this on their news, and reckon all Christians are child rapists but is that a fair assessment of all Christians? 

No it goes beyond just Christians and Muslims. Rape, and murder have existed long before these two religions, and existed where those religions werent.  The existence of Christian and Islam are short comparing to the evolutionary history of mankind.    I can guarantee that rape and murder will continue long after Christianity and Islam cease to exist.
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Reply #113 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 10:20am
 
Gnads wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 2:18pm:
tickleandrose wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 9:33am:
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Really? As far as I know, the origin of was Mohammad a pedophile comes from a criticism of him from a Dutch far right party person.   I am sure, if there are others, he would have quoted it as evidence. 

Gnads,  you need to read up on whats happening around the world and the region during those times.  There was no UN, there was no recognized country borders.  The strong lives, and weak dies.  That was our history.  And thats the same history every where you go. 

However, you must realize that 1.8 billion followers today ultimately follows the old god, the same god that was Christian and Jewish.  To them, Mohammad was the last messenger.   They revered him, because, prior to that, the people were scattered, in small groups, fighting amoungst each other, and at the same time being invaded by others.  By the end of his reign, the whole of Arabia is virtually under Islam. 

I can draw a parallel of him with the first Emperor of China.  You can say, that he too was a tyrant, he killed countless, and he was a child killer - using the children to make medicine that can allow him to live forever.  However, people in China still revered him, many criticized him, he was known as a tyrant.  But he was remembered for uniting the waring states, buidling the great wall (or start of), and standardize the language and mathematics. 


Rubbish it was well known long before Geert Wilders was known or a Political aspirant.

Honestly do you think there has only been criticism of radical Islamists since the invention of "far left" or far right" politics.

If you want to go on about history ... then realise that the fight against the spread of Islamic oppression has been going on ever since its inception in 700 ad.

And 1400 yrs later they are still following an all encompassing patriarchal,fascist ideology with same primitive attitudes.

Whilst the rest of the world & religion has evolved to more civilized standards of societal acceptance.   


Hey I am glad you raised this issue.  I always had a big interest in medieval history as a child.  And the crusades are some of my favorites.   Oh the fighting between Islam, and Christian states had been going on for a long time.  But then, Christian states had been at war with.... just about everyone else any way.  In fact, it is the protracted, bloody, and costly war between the Byzantine and the Persians, that gave Mohammad in Arabia the breathing space to create Islam.   So, there is a bit of trivia there for you. 

The most famous fights and wars that Christians have lead against the Muslims were the crusades.  And I always consider the first Crusade as the watershed moment.  BUT, under neath the veil of religions war, are the crusades REALLY to help liberate and enlighten the promised lands?   

Pre Crusade Europe was largely many Christian smaller states at war with each other.  The pope that started the crusades is the one named Pope Urban II, based in France.  However, he was struggling with his authority, as there was another pope!  Clement III in Rome!   So when the call for help arrived from the Eastern Alexios, against the Seljuk Turks, he used that as opportunity to consolidate his position in the church.   

Yes... the first crusade, started with this man, a human being with imperfection.   What happened afterwards, how many died on each sides of the conflict, all in the name of Jesus and god to the masses.  But in its core, a man's struggle against his own inner demon. 

You mentioned that 1400 later, the rest of the world have progressed?  This is because, we humans tend to have a very short memory.  The scourge of world war 2 was not that distant yet.  Perhaps, a look what the Germans did would refresh your memory.  The reason why we have not had any of those atrocities on our shores, is because since World war 2, we had taken our war to other people's home and land. 
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Reply #114 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 10:34am
 
tickleandrose wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:19am:
moses wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 3:16pm:
tickleandrose wrote:

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Islam actually also believe in the New Testament,


muslims believe in an injeel / N.T. that their version of Yeheshua bought with him (the truth being that the N.T. started about 100 years after the death of Christ), they also believe that their version of Yeheshua / Jesus will return to earth and break the cross and kill all Christians who refuse to convert to islam.

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In fact, Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".


1/. Use of word allah: Of course they do under pain of death if they dared to say allah wasn't God.

2/. Abrahamic faith: Why does islam retain many of the pagan moon god rituals e.g.:

allah the moon god (reinvented into a monotheistic god),

The Kaba,

The black stone,

Kissing the black stone

Walking around the black stone

Praying towards towards Mecca 5 times a day,

muslim holy month starts at new moon

Crescent moon symbol

Pagan moon god allahs' three daughters part of qur'an (originally the satanic verses)

"The Run"  between As-Safa and Al-Marwah.

Throwing stones at evil spirits.

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However, you must realize that 1.8 billion followers today ultimately follows the old god, the same god that was Christian and Jewish.  To them, Mohammad was the last messenger.


1.8 billion muslims follow muhammads reinvented version of the pagan moon god allah, muhammad turned the old moon god allah into a god of hatred, a god who declared that muhammad was the perfect example for mankind, a god who said rape torture and mass murder were O.K..

if you're going to try the old *but the old testament said the same things* excuse I'll answer that now: the O.T. is written in the past tense it's stories are all related to long gone past events of the Hebrew people.

The qur'an is written in the present and future tense, that's why muslims today 2019 are committing the most heinous of human rights atrocities against their fellow man, they are following the best example muhammad all of them certain they will get the hour'is with big tits and the little boys scattered like pearls in paradise.

Today right now 2019 there is no other religion that has its' members listed as the top 26 (last time I looked) terrorist organizations, no other religion has its' members as the worlds' refugee problem, no other religion which starves and murders children in the tens of thousands like the followers of islam do, no other religion rapes little girls with their forced child marriage like muslim do.

When are you going to stop making excuses for this evil reinvented pagan moon god cult?


Again this is where the religion differs.  Christianity and Islam have alot of similarities, however, the core belief are different.   Christianity also have many pagan roots.  This is how religion developed over time.  For example:

Halloween: observed by western Christians, and widely celebrated in USA and Australia.  Was in fact linked to Gaelic and Welsh influence.

Christmas: perhaps the most important day after Easter, was a pagan holiday making the winter solstice.

The actual symbol of Santa Clause is infact designed by Coca Cola, even.  So you can say its strictly pagan symbol as well if go by a more hardline doctrine. 

However, what use is that to debate about something that is theological and cannot be proven?  So what if its moon god, so what if the Christmas was a pagan holiday.  At the end of day, it is how we treat each other right now, at this life time that matters.




This pretty hollow stuff. As you concede, your examples are of no use when discussinv theology. But then you seem to say that theology itself is not shedding light on why people treat each other differently.  Muslims today stone others to death exactly for theological reasons alone. Jews, who used to do the same do not do it at all without being any less religious.


People create their societies in the image of their gods. That illuminates a lot about deeply Islamic societies. Both Allah and Mohammed are pretty nasty characters and following them closely and devoutly leads to pretty mean and nasty societies. Improvement to those societies comes only when they leave off being devotees to their gid and and prophet and stop creating their society in devotion to them.

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Reply #115 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 10:37am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 1:03pm:
Rose can you explain how ISIL managed to recruit so many foreign jihadis, if not through "theological means"? Did they scare them all into flying halfway round the world to fight for the new Caliphate and destroy Iraq's new democracy? Why do you keep dodging this question? Would you like to retract your claim that it has nothing to do with Islam? Or keep sprouting it and running away when challenged?

Why do you say we must not blame Islam for what Muslims do in the name of Islam?

Also, why do you think there is a meaningful comparison between Muhammad and some long-dead Chinese warlord? Do any Chinese worship this warlord and rape and pillage in his name?

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Freediver, may be try to talk to a muslim, and you will find that they disagree with you that he was a pedophile.


They attempt to redefine pedophile, but they do that with slavery, rape, murder, genocide and all the other nasty things Muhammad did, without disputing any of the facts. It is mainstream Islamic belief that Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old girl when he was over 50 years old. Trying to put a positive spin on sex with children does not mean Muhammad did not have sex with children.

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But however, I like to clarify, that you are perfectly entitled to your opinion.  I am just providing the forum with some historic context and opposing views.  So no hard feelings please.
 

You duck and weave at every turn.

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In terms of slavery, its not unique to either the Christians or the Muslims.


This is not context. This is destroying the context in defense of Islam. Do you agree that while Christian Europe was abolishing slavery, Muslims were building an empire on rape, pillage and sex slavery?

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But the actual history of slavery predates even Christianity.  I mean the whole biblical story of Moses, is about slavery in Egypt, and Islam have absolutely nothing to do with that.   So I think its a bit rich to link slavery to a religion really.


Only a complete idiot would interpret what I said that way.

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In terms of institutionalized rape and murder.  Well, thats what happens when you have a group of imperfect people with power in their hands.  And its not unique to just Islam.
 

It's what happens when a religion is built on rape and murder.


Okay, you are trying to tie up alot of different things together.   If terms of the original issue, Mohammad and the pedophile - I have stated some historic context.  For example the original evidence, was if you look from a modern legal perspective, its really on shaky grounds. 

Also, Islam extremitism, what drove those recruits / foreign, I have addressed that in a post above, you've asked that just one day prior.   Smiley
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Re: Muslim cleric: ‘Merry Christmas’ worse than murder
Reply #116 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 10:58am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 10:34am:
tickleandrose wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:19am:
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Islam actually also believe in the New Testament,


muslims believe in an injeel / N.T. that their version of Yeheshua bought with him (the truth being that the N.T. started about 100 years after the death of Christ), they also believe that their version of Yeheshua / Jesus will return to earth and break the cross and kill all Christians who refuse to convert to islam.

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In fact, Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".


1/. Use of word allah: Of course they do under pain of death if they dared to say allah wasn't God.

2/. Abrahamic faith: Why does islam retain many of the pagan moon god rituals e.g.:

allah the moon god (reinvented into a monotheistic god),

The Kaba,

The black stone,

Kissing the black stone

Walking around the black stone

Praying towards towards Mecca 5 times a day,

muslim holy month starts at new moon

Crescent moon symbol

Pagan moon god allahs' three daughters part of qur'an (originally the satanic verses)

"The Run"  between As-Safa and Al-Marwah.

Throwing stones at evil spirits.

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However, you must realize that 1.8 billion followers today ultimately follows the old god, the same god that was Christian and Jewish.  To them, Mohammad was the last messenger.


1.8 billion muslims follow muhammads reinvented version of the pagan moon god allah, muhammad turned the old moon god allah into a god of hatred, a god who declared that muhammad was the perfect example for mankind, a god who said rape torture and mass murder were O.K..

if you're going to try the old *but the old testament said the same things* excuse I'll answer that now: the O.T. is written in the past tense it's stories are all related to long gone past events of the Hebrew people.

The qur'an is written in the present and future tense, that's why muslims today 2019 are committing the most heinous of human rights atrocities against their fellow man, they are following the best example muhammad all of them certain they will get the hour'is with big tits and the little boys scattered like pearls in paradise.

Today right now 2019 there is no other religion that has its' members listed as the top 26 (last time I looked) terrorist organizations, no other religion has its' members as the worlds' refugee problem, no other religion which starves and murders children in the tens of thousands like the followers of islam do, no other religion rapes little girls with their forced child marriage like muslim do.

When are you going to stop making excuses for this evil reinvented pagan moon god cult?


Again this is where the religion differs.  Christianity and Islam have alot of similarities, however, the core belief are different.   Christianity also have many pagan roots.  This is how religion developed over time.  For example:

Halloween: observed by western Christians, and widely celebrated in USA and Australia.  Was in fact linked to Gaelic and Welsh influence.

Christmas: perhaps the most important day after Easter, was a pagan holiday making the winter solstice.

The actual symbol of Santa Clause is infact designed by Coca Cola, even.  So you can say its strictly pagan symbol as well if go by a more hardline doctrine. 

However, what use is that to debate about something that is theological and cannot be proven?  So what if its moon god, so what if the Christmas was a pagan holiday.  At the end of day, it is how we treat each other right now, at this life time that matters.




This pretty hollow stuff. As you concede, your examples are of no use when discussinv theology. But then you seem to say that theology itself is not shedding light on why people treat each other differently.  Muslims today stone others to death exactly for theological reasons alone. Jews, who used to do the same do not do it at all without being any less religious.


People create their societies in the image of their gods. That illuminates a lot about deeply Islamic societies. Both Allah and Mohammed are pretty nasty characters and following them closely and devoutly leads to pretty mean and nasty societies. Improvement to those societies comes only when they leave off being devotees to their gid and and prophet and stop creating their society in devotion to them.



I disagree. I believe, religion are at its core man made concepts.  For better or for worse, and those concepts being used to subjugate and control the population, often to further their own agendas.  And the result, is that its the civilians, the woman and children that suffers the most.  To say that man creating their society in the image of their gods, I say that images of gods were created by imperfect men. 

The separation of religion and state can only go so far.  But a strong middle class, and a peaceful regional geopolitical situation with effective law enforcement - are also required for a free and fair society.   Sadly, many counties in the middle East and Africa do not have those.
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Re: Muslim cleric: ‘Merry Christmas’ worse than murder
Reply #117 - Jan 7th, 2019 at 11:35am
 
tickleandrose wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 10:58am:
Frank wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 10:34am:
tickleandrose wrote on Jan 7th, 2019 at 9:19am:
moses wrote on Jan 6th, 2019 at 3:16pm:
tickleandrose wrote:

reply 36
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Islam actually also believe in the New Testament,


muslims believe in an injeel / N.T. that their version of Yeheshua bought with him (the truth being that the N.T. started about 100 years after the death of Christ), they also believe that their version of Yeheshua / Jesus will return to earth and break the cross and kill all Christians who refuse to convert to islam.

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In fact, Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".


1/. Use of word allah: Of course they do under pain of death if they dared to say allah wasn't God.

2/. Abrahamic faith: Why does islam retain many of the pagan moon god rituals e.g.:

allah the moon god (reinvented into a monotheistic god),

The Kaba,

The black stone,

Kissing the black stone

Walking around the black stone

Praying towards towards Mecca 5 times a day,

muslim holy month starts at new moon

Crescent moon symbol

Pagan moon god allahs' three daughters part of qur'an (originally the satanic verses)

"The Run"  between As-Safa and Al-Marwah.

Throwing stones at evil spirits.

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However, you must realize that 1.8 billion followers today ultimately follows the old god, the same god that was Christian and Jewish.  To them, Mohammad was the last messenger.


1.8 billion muslims follow muhammads reinvented version of the pagan moon god allah, muhammad turned the old moon god allah into a god of hatred, a god who declared that muhammad was the perfect example for mankind, a god who said rape torture and mass murder were O.K..

if you're going to try the old *but the old testament said the same things* excuse I'll answer that now: the O.T. is written in the past tense it's stories are all related to long gone past events of the Hebrew people.

The qur'an is written in the present and future tense, that's why muslims today 2019 are committing the most heinous of human rights atrocities against their fellow man, they are following the best example muhammad all of them certain they will get the hour'is with big tits and the little boys scattered like pearls in paradise.

Today right now 2019 there is no other religion that has its' members listed as the top 26 (last time I looked) terrorist organizations, no other religion has its' members as the worlds' refugee problem, no other religion which starves and murders children in the tens of thousands like the followers of islam do, no other religion rapes little girls with their forced child marriage like muslim do.

When are you going to stop making excuses for this evil reinvented pagan moon god cult?


Again this is where the religion differs.  Christianity and Islam have alot of similarities, however, the core belief are different.   Christianity also have many pagan roots.  This is how religion developed over time.  For example:

Halloween: observed by western Christians, and widely celebrated in USA and Australia.  Was in fact linked to Gaelic and Welsh influence.

Christmas: perhaps the most important day after Easter, was a pagan holiday making the winter solstice.

The actual symbol of Santa Clause is infact designed by Coca Cola, even.  So you can say its strictly pagan symbol as well if go by a more hardline doctrine. 

However, what use is that to debate about something that is theological and cannot be proven?  So what if its moon god, so what if the Christmas was a pagan holiday.  At the end of day, it is how we treat each other right now, at this life time that matters.




This pretty hollow stuff. As you concede, your examples are of no use when discussinv theology. But then you seem to say that theology itself is not shedding light on why people treat each other differently.  Muslims today stone others to death exactly for theological reasons alone. Jews, who used to do the same do not do it at all without being any less religious.


People create their societies in the image of their gods. That illuminates a lot about deeply Islamic societies. Both Allah and Mohammed are pretty nasty characters and following them closely and devoutly leads to pretty mean and nasty societies. Improvement to those societies comes only when they leave off being devotees to their gid and and prophet and stop creating their society in devotion to them.



I disagree. I believe, religion are at its core man made concepts.  For better or for worse, and those concepts being used to subjugate and control the population, often to further their own agendas.  And the result, is that its the civilians, the woman and children that suffers the most.  To say that man creating their society in the image of their gods, I say that images of gods were created by imperfect men. 

The separation of religion and state can only go so far.  But a strong middle class, and a peaceful regional geopolitical situation with effective law enforcement - are also required for a free and fair society.   Sadly, many counties in the middle East and Africa do not have those. 


Give me one concept that is not man made.

Of course its all man made, or man conceived. But that doesnt make it 'all the same'.

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'Only so far' - how far is that?

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Give me one concept that is not man made.

Of course its all man made, or man conceived. But that doesnt make it 'all the same'.


Good question!  When you realized that, then you are able to look at the world with more rational and objective perspective.  Atrocities do happen, and due to many man made reasons.  However, now, instead of easier way out: e.g. looking for differences in skin color, and religion on the surface, we can go into depth, and get to the root of the problem. 

With this rational perspective, we can go after the real perpetrators who committed a crime, instead of accusing other innocent people who had nothing to do with those atrocities. 

For example, those men in Afghanistan who rapes young children.  If you have godly power, and absolutely destroy the ideology of Islam, the same men will still carry on as usual raping young children. They could have easily said well I can do that, what are you going to do about it.    But if you put in effective law, and enforcement, with increase education for the masses, then such thing will not happen.
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