Rose can you explain how ISIL managed to recruit so many foreign jihadis, if not through "theological means"? Did they scare them all into flying halfway round the world to fight for the new Caliphate and destroy Iraq's new democracy? Why do you keep dodging this question? Would you like to retract your claim that it has nothing to do with Islam? Or keep sprouting it and running away when challenged?
Why do you say we must not blame Islam for what Muslims do in the name of Islam?
Also, why do you think there is a meaningful comparison between Muhammad and some long-dead Chinese warlord? Do any Chinese worship this warlord and rape and pillage in his name?
Quote:Freediver, may be try to talk to a muslim, and you will find that they disagree with you that he was a pedophile.
They attempt to redefine pedophile, but they do that with slavery, rape, murder, genocide and all the other nasty things Muhammad did, without disputing any of the facts. It is mainstream Islamic belief that Muhammad had sex with a 9 year old girl when he was over 50 years old. Trying to put a positive spin on sex with children does not mean Muhammad did not have sex with children.
Quote:But however, I like to clarify, that you are perfectly entitled to your opinion. I am just providing the forum with some historic context and opposing views. So no hard feelings please.
You duck and weave at every turn.
Quote:In terms of slavery, its not unique to either the Christians or the Muslims.
This is not context. This is destroying the context in defense of Islam. Do you agree that while Christian Europe was abolishing slavery, Muslims were building an empire on rape, pillage and sex slavery?
Quote:But the actual history of slavery predates even Christianity. I mean the whole biblical story of Moses, is about slavery in Egypt, and Islam have absolutely nothing to do with that. So I think its a bit rich to link slavery to a religion really.
Only a complete idiot would interpret what I said that way.
Quote:In terms of institutionalized rape and murder. Well, thats what happens when you have a group of imperfect people with power in their hands. And its not unique to just Islam.
It's what happens when a religion is built on rape and murder.