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Dec 22nd, 2018 at 9:58am
 
in one case, a professor asked me if I knew how many Palestinians have been raped by IDF forces. I answered that as far as I knew, none. She triumphantly responded that I was right, because, she said, “You IDF soldiers don’t rape Palestinians because Israelis are so racist and disgusted by them that you won’t touch them

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Reply #1 - Dec 22nd, 2018 at 10:23am
 
When I served as a soldier in the West Bank, I got used to having ugly things said to me, but nothing prepared me for the misinformation, demonization of Israel, and the gut-wrenching, anti-Israel, anti-Semitic hostility expressed by many students, professors, church members, and even some high school students right here in the Pacific Northwest.




goes to show . plain bigotry has many sides doesnt it?
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Reply #2 - Dec 22nd, 2018 at 10:43am
 
cods wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 10:23am:
When I served as a soldier in the West Bank, I got used to having ugly things said to me, but nothing prepared me for the misinformation, demonization of Israel, and the gut-wrenching, anti-Israel, anti-Semitic hostility expressed by many students, professors, church members, and even some high school students right here in the Pacific Northwest.




goes to show . plain bigotry has many sides doesnt it?


And those universities and areas he got racially abused at are leftist run strongholds, go figure.
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As a young Israeli who had just completed five years of service in the IDF, I looked forward to my new job educating people in the Pacific Northwest about Israel. I was shocked, however, by the anti-Israel bigotry and hostility I encountered, especially in the greater Seattle area, Oregon, and Berkeley. I had been very liberal, a member of the leftist Zionist party, Meretz, but the anti-Semitism and hatred for Israel that I have seen in the U.S. has changed my outlook personally and politically.

As part of my work as an educator at StandWithUs, between January and May of this year, I  traveled to college campuses, high schools and churches, sharing the history of modern Israel.  I also shared personal stories about growing up in the Jewish state, and about my family. I always spoke about my military service as an officer in an IDF COGAT unit that attends to the needs of Palestinian civilians who are not involved in the conflict and promotes Palestinian civil society. Each time I would speak and take questions for an hour or more. I have shared my personal story with over 16,000 people at many, many college campuses and high schools, including UC Berkeley, Stanford, the University of Washington, Seattle University and many others. Many of those to whom I spoke were supportive, friendly, and open to hearing about my Israel. But, sadly, far too many were not.


When I served as a soldier in the West Bank, I got used to having ugly things said to me, but nothing prepared me for the misinformation, demonization of Israel, and the gut-wrenching, anti-Israel, anti-Semitic hostility expressed by many students, professors, church members, and even some high school students right here in the Pacific Northwest.

I was further shocked by how unaware the organized Jewish community is and how little they are actually doing to counter this rising anti-Semitism, which motivated me to write this article.

This new form of bigotry against Israel has been called the “new anti-Semitism,” with “Israel” replacing “Jew” in traditional anti-Semitic imagery and canards, singling out and discriminating against the Jewish state, and denying the Jewish people alone the right to self-determination. The new anti-Semitism is packaged in the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions campaign (BDS), which claims to champion Palestinian rights though its real goal is to erode American support for Israel, discredit Jews who support Israel, and pave the way for eliminating the Jewish state. One of BDS’ central demands is the “complete right of return” for all the descendants of the original Palestinian refugees, subtle language that means the end of Israel as the Jewish homeland because it would turn Israel into a Palestinian-Arab majority state.

It is surprising that an extremist group like BDS is ever taken seriously, but BDS advocates have found receptive audiences in some circles. Their campaigns are well organized and in many cases, well financed. They have lobbied universities, corporations, food co-ops, churches, performing artists, labor unions, and other organizations to boycott Israel and companies that do business with Israel. But even if these groups don’t agree to treat Israel as a pariah state, the BDS activists manage to spread their anti-Israel misinformation, lies and prejudice simply by forcing a debate based on their false claims about Israel.

To give you a taste of the viciousness of the BDS attacks, let me cite just a few of the many shocking experiences I have had. At a BDS event in Portland, a professor from a Seattle university told the assembled crowd that the Jews of Israel have no national rights and should be forced out of the country. When I asked, “Where do you want them to go?” she calmly answered, “I don’t care. I don’t care if they don’t have any place else to go. They should not be there.” When I responded that she was calling for ethnic cleansing, both she and her supporters denied it. And during a presentation in Seattle, I spoke about my longing for peace between Israel and the Palestinians. When I was done, a woman in her 60’s stood up and yelled at me, “You are worse than the Nazis. You are just like the Nazi youth!
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Reply #4 - Dec 22nd, 2018 at 11:16am
 
The lives of Palestinians especially woman under Israeli occupation is something we should all be ashamed of and speak out against....You show your true character by opposing all tyranny no matter who it is inflicted upon!!!

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Reply #5 - Dec 22nd, 2018 at 11:19am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 11:16am:
The lives of Palestinians especially woman under Israeli occupation is something we should all be ashamed of and speak out against....You show your true character by opposing all tyranny no matter who it is inflicted upon!!!

Angry Angry Angry

https://thewire.in/society/the-lives-of-palestinian-women-under-israeli-occupati...


The left show their.true character when they get internet outraged and not leave their basement to.do.anything.
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Reply #6 - Dec 22nd, 2018 at 12:33pm
 
I expect the biggest problem faced by Palestinian women is living under the yoke of Islam. No doubt you can find a way to blame the Jews for that too.
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Reply #7 - Dec 22nd, 2018 at 12:36pm
 
Term Dog wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 11:19am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 11:16am:
The lives of Palestinians especially woman under Israeli occupation is something we should all be ashamed of and speak out against....You show your true character by opposing all tyranny no matter who it is inflicted upon!!!

Angry Angry Angry

https://thewire.in/society/the-lives-of-palestinian-women-under-israeli-occupati...


The left show their.true character when they get internet outraged and not leave their basement to.do.anything.


WTF does your pathetic (bullshit) comment have to do with the treatment of Palestinian woman....A completely irrelevant post which would ignore many (left) organisations who help these woman and receive donations from only the left to do their work....Dickhead!!!

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Reply #8 - Dec 22nd, 2018 at 12:38pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 11:16am:
The lives of Palestinians especially woman under Israeli occupation is something we should all be ashamed of and speak out against....You show your true character by opposing all tyranny no matter who it is inflicted upon!!!

Angry Angry Angry

https://thewire.in/society/the-lives-of-palestinian-women-under-israeli-occupati...


Palestinian women in Israel are not oppressed ...

those living in their own little enclaves in Gaza & the West Bank are oppressed by their own.

The Israelis are not tyrants ... if the boot was on the other foot the PALESTINIANS WOULD BE.
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Reply #9 - Dec 22nd, 2018 at 12:40pm
 
Phil why are you so keen to sacrifice human rights, equality and self determination for Palestinian women on the altar of your anti-Jewish propaganda? Are they mere pawns in your rabid anti-semitism?
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Reply #10 - Dec 22nd, 2018 at 12:41pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 12:36pm:
Term Dog wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 11:19am:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 11:16am:
The lives of Palestinians especially woman under Israeli occupation is something we should all be ashamed of and speak out against....You show your true character by opposing all tyranny no matter who it is inflicted upon!!!

Angry Angry Angry

https://thewire.in/society/the-lives-of-palestinian-women-under-israeli-occupati...


The left show their.true character when they get internet outraged and not leave their basement to.do.anything.


WTF does your pathetic (bullshit) comment have to do with the treatment of Palestinian woman....A completely irrelevant post which would ignore many (left) organisations who help these woman and receive donations from only the left to do their work....Dickhead!!!

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Best career move for oppressed Palestinian women is to move to Israel and escape their oppression.
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Reply #11 - Dec 22nd, 2018 at 1:08pm
 
Who does this sound like?

I don’t care if they don’t have any place else to go. They should not be there.” When I responded that she was calling for ethnic cleansing, both she and her supporters denied it.
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Reply #12 - Dec 22nd, 2018 at 3:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 12:40pm:
Phil why are you so keen to sacrifice human rights, equality and self determination for Palestinian women on the altar of your anti-Jewish propaganda? Are they mere pawns in your rabid anti-semitism?


I have no problem with Israel or Jewish people and believe they should have their own state....Do you give Palestinians the same right....What gave you that impression and why bullshit about what I believe???

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Reply #13 - Dec 22nd, 2018 at 5:25pm
 
Phil if you do not hate Jews, why do you only say things like this:

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The lives of Palestinians especially woman under Israeli occupation is something we should all be ashamed of and speak out against....You show your true character by opposing all tyranny no matter who it is inflicted upon!!!


as a way to attack Jews, while ignoring the elephant in the room which is the yoke of Islam around the neck of Palestinian women?
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freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Phil if you do not hate Jews, why do you only say things like this:

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The lives of Palestinians especially woman under Israeli occupation is something we should all be ashamed of and speak out against....You show your true character by opposing all tyranny no matter who it is inflicted upon!!!


as a way to attack Jews, while ignoring the elephant in the room which is the yoke of Islam around the neck of Palestinian women?


Who is the one ignoring anything....Do you deny the stories in the link I provided....Why is it anti simitic to point out the poor treatment of Palestinian woman by the Israeli's (amongst others)....I also condemn Hamas and it's terrorist war against Israel....I also condemn the oppression of woman by some who follow Islam....You show your true character by opposing all tyranny no matter who it is inflicted upon....If you want to bash Islam instead of addressing the topic you should start another thread???

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Reply #15 - Dec 22nd, 2018 at 6:00pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 5:52pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Phil if you do not hate Jews, why do you only say things like this:

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The lives of Palestinians especially woman under Israeli occupation is something we should all be ashamed of and speak out against....You show your true character by opposing all tyranny no matter who it is inflicted upon!!!


as a way to attack Jews, while ignoring the elephant in the room which is the yoke of Islam around the neck of Palestinian women?


Who is the one ignoring anything....Do you deny the stories in the link I provided....Why is it anti simitic to point out the poor treatment of Palestinian woman by the Israeli's (amongst others)....I also condemn Hamas and it's terrorist war against Israel....I also condemn the oppression of woman by some who follow Islam....You show your true character by opposing all tyranny no matter who it is inflicted upon....If you want to bash Islam instead of addressing the topic you should start another thread???

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I read the bit you quoted, which stated that the IDF does not rape Palestinian women. Meanwhile, on their other doorstep, ISIS is raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.

What do you think is the biggest threat to human rights, equality and self determination for Palestinian women? Islam, or those cunning Jews?
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Reply #16 - Dec 22nd, 2018 at 6:08pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 6:00pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 5:52pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Phil if you do not hate Jews, why do you only say things like this:

Quote:
The lives of Palestinians especially woman under Israeli occupation is something we should all be ashamed of and speak out against....You show your true character by opposing all tyranny no matter who it is inflicted upon!!!


as a way to attack Jews, while ignoring the elephant in the room which is the yoke of Islam around the neck of Palestinian women?


Who is the one ignoring anything....Do you deny the stories in the link I provided....Why is it anti simitic to point out the poor treatment of Palestinian woman by the Israeli's (amongst others)....I also condemn Hamas and it's terrorist war against Israel....I also condemn the oppression of woman by some who follow Islam....You show your true character by opposing all tyranny no matter who it is inflicted upon....If you want to bash Islam instead of addressing the topic you should start another thread???

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I read the bit you quoted, which stated that the IDF does not rape Palestinian women. Meanwhile, on their other doorstep, ISIS is raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.

What do you think is the biggest threat to human rights, equality and self determination for Palestinian women? Islam, or those cunning Jews?


Who claimed they did....You seam to be confusing my concern about certain issues with your hatred of Islam....Believe what ever you like mate???

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Reply #17 - Dec 22nd, 2018 at 6:18pm
 
You are a sneaky bugger Effendi!

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I read the bit you quoted, which stated that the IDF does not rape Palestinian women. Meanwhile, on their other doorstep, ISIS is raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.


Here we are, talking about Palestinians, and there you are equating them to ISIS.

Yay!

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philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 6:08pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 6:00pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 5:52pm:
freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Phil if you do not hate Jews, why do you only say things like this:

Quote:
The lives of Palestinians especially woman under Israeli occupation is something we should all be ashamed of and speak out against....You show your true character by opposing all tyranny no matter who it is inflicted upon!!!


as a way to attack Jews, while ignoring the elephant in the room which is the yoke of Islam around the neck of Palestinian women?


Who is the one ignoring anything....Do you deny the stories in the link I provided....Why is it anti simitic to point out the poor treatment of Palestinian woman by the Israeli's (amongst others)....I also condemn Hamas and it's terrorist war against Israel....I also condemn the oppression of woman by some who follow Islam....You show your true character by opposing all tyranny no matter who it is inflicted upon....If you want to bash Islam instead of addressing the topic you should start another thread???

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I read the bit you quoted, which stated that the IDF does not rape Palestinian women. Meanwhile, on their other doorstep, ISIS is raping and pillaging their way across the middle east.

What do you think is the biggest threat to human rights, equality and self determination for Palestinian women? Islam, or those cunning Jews?


Who claimed they did....You seam to be confusing my concern about certain issues with your hatred of Islam....Believe what ever you like mate???

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As far as I can tell we are not disagreeing on any facts. It is not about belief. It is about perspective.

What do you think is the biggest threat to human rights, equality and self determination for Palestinian women? Islam, or those cunning Jews?

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Here we are, talking about Palestinians, and there you are equating them to ISIS.


There is an imbecile on your doorstep Aussie.
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Reply #19 - Jan 4th, 2019 at 10:49am
 
Gordon wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 9:58am:
in one case, a professor asked me if I knew how many Palestinians have been raped by IDF forces. I answered that as far as I knew, none. She triumphantly responded that I was right, because, she said, “You IDF soldiers don’t rape Palestinians because Israelis are so racist and disgusted by them that you won’t touch them

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/an-israeli-soldiers-call-to-american-jews/


ah.. yeah, because rape is totally all about rapists having respect for the women and not at all about having loathing and disgust for them  Cheesy
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polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4th, 2019 at 10:49am:
Gordon wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 9:58am:
in one case, a professor asked me if I knew how many Palestinians have been raped by IDF forces. I answered that as far as I knew, none. She triumphantly responded that I was right, because, she said, “You IDF soldiers don’t rape Palestinians because Israelis are so racist and disgusted by them that you won’t touch them

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/an-israeli-soldiers-call-to-american-jews/


ah.. yeah, because rape is totally all about rapists having respect for the women and not at all about having loathing and disgust for them  Cheesy


That's what Abu said.
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freediver wrote on Jan 4th, 2019 at 10:51am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 4th, 2019 at 10:49am:
Gordon wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 9:58am:
in one case, a professor asked me if I knew how many Palestinians have been raped by IDF forces. I answered that as far as I knew, none. She triumphantly responded that I was right, because, she said, “You IDF soldiers don’t rape Palestinians because Israelis are so racist and disgusted by them that you won’t touch them

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/an-israeli-soldiers-call-to-american-jews/


ah.. yeah, because rape is totally all about rapists having respect for the women and not at all about having loathing and disgust for them  Cheesy


That's what Abu said.


I'm sure he did.

Anyway, do you agree with the logic in the OP FD?
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Reply #22 - Jan 4th, 2019 at 10:55am
 
I am not sure what "logic" you are referring to Gandalf. I agree that the Israelis are far less likely than any Muslim army to engage in rape, but I would not put it down to 'disgust' as the OP suggests.
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Reply #23 - Jan 4th, 2019 at 11:02am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 4th, 2019 at 10:55am:
I am not sure what "logic" you are referring to Gandalf.


I really marvel at your ability to take up a topic with such gusto - and yet be so clueless to what its actually about.

From the OP:

You IDF soldiers don’t rape Palestinians because Israelis are so racist and disgusted by them that you won’t touch them

Do you agree with this logic? I'm not asking you if the IDF do or don't rape Palestinians, I'm asking if you agree with the claim that men don't rape women if they are disgusted by them? I contend the reality is the exact opposite.
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Ah. I must have missed that.

I agree that the Israelis are far less likely than any Muslim army to engage in rape, but I would not put it down to 'disgust' as the OP suggests.
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Reply #25 - Jan 4th, 2019 at 12:12pm
 
Three fingers Gordon professes expertise in this matter.

Gordon is the butterfly bigot:

First Mexicans, then Indians, then Lebanese, then Islanders, now Palestinians.
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Reply #26 - Jan 4th, 2019 at 12:12pm
 
freediver wrote on Dec 22nd, 2018 at 12:33pm:
I expect the biggest problem faced by Palestinian women is living under the yoke of Islam. No doubt you can find a way to blame the Jews for that too.



I notice that Jews get blamed for everything -
they were even blamed for 911 by many anti-Semites.

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