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Reply #135 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:31am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:31am:
lee wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 9:43am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 9:24am:
The natural emissions are balanced by natural absorption.


That great human construct "balance". balanced lifestyle, balanced diet, the balance of the scales of justice. Please show where in nature it has been shown that things have to be in "balance". Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



Things tend to reach for a balance in nature, this occurs with clime as well. Natural changes tend to occur over millennia. The Human induced event will see the same type of change in a very short comparative period of time.

In terms of Balance nobody on either side of the discussion seriously discounts the impact of balance.

You are just being your normal disagreeable self expecting people to prove things that you know are true to start with. In this case it is as simple as that if you change the dynamics in play in a system you will drive a change in the outcome.


Your argument that the human effect will destroy us is shot down by the fact that yearly rate of atmospheric CO2 increase in the atmosphere is accumulating in accordance with NATURAL CO2 EMISSIONS due to the fact that we have been warming since the little ice age..... Wink
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Reply #136 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:42am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:39am:
All we can do is control what we are responsible for.

Your numbers are meaning less as the natural component is balanced, the problem is adding 4% per year above the point of balance for a century or so. What is 100 X 4% ?

Taking the economic advantage of acting earlier is not a bad economic choice it may save us billions in the long term and at the same time produce industries and technology with a real long term market value and benefit to Australia.

Playing catch up may be the very expensive result of our current behaviour.

This is because we have been warming since the little ice age


You know that the little ice age was not an ice age at all, it was a localised cool period the followed the medieval warm period, another localised event.

It is also evident that the graphs you display all measure the period of the Industrial revolution, Would that be because the period between the little Ice age and the Industrial Revolution fails to support the claim ? We know that the industrial revolution was the beginning of anthropological climate impact, when we started pumping quantities of Co2 into the atmosphere.

The graphs you supplied do not support what you would like them to, in fact they hurt your cause.



You better stick to whatever your doing cause you wont make a scientists left finger nail.

So you want to spend billions of dollars trying to keep the climate stable and at a status quo by controlling 1.26% of 4% my goodness mate do you realise how STUPID that is.

Can man really control the cycles of the Earth and the sun......????

The Medieval warm period was global, stop quoting Mann and his cronies to justify a lie.

You believe in science by consensus well then here you go.

You wont hear about these papers on sceptical science.... Cheesy

Quote:
‘More than 700 scientists from 400 institutions in 40 countries have contributed peer-reviewed papers providing evidence that the Medieval Warm Period was real, global, & warmer than the present’


http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/03/08/more-than-700-scientists-from-400-institu...


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Re: Climate Change - Time is running out says CSIRO
Reply #137 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:45am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:52am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:31am:
lee wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 9:43am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 9:24am:
The natural emissions are balanced by natural absorption.


That great human construct "balance". balanced lifestyle, balanced diet, the balance of the scales of justice. Please show where in nature it has been shown that things have to be in "balance". Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



Things tend to reach for a balance in nature, this occurs with clime as well. Natural changes tend to occur over millennia. The Human induced event will see the same type of change in a very short comparative period of time.

In terms of Balance nobody on either side of the discussion seriously discounts the impact of balance.

You are just being your normal disagreeable self expecting people to prove things that you know are true to start with. In this case it is as simple as that if you change the dynamics in play in a system you will drive a change in the outcome.


Dnarever is, of course, completely correct.

If we continue down our current path, eventually even those additional human CO2 emissions will reach a balance. The problem will be that the balance will be a far higher concentration than we have today. 


Lee is correct only humans seek balance.

Nature and climate do whatever they have to do.
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Re: Climate Change - Time is running out says CSIRO
Reply #138 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:46am
 
Ajax wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:31am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:31am:
lee wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 9:43am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 9:24am:
The natural emissions are balanced by natural absorption.


That great human construct "balance". balanced lifestyle, balanced diet, the balance of the scales of justice. Please show where in nature it has been shown that things have to be in "balance". Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



Things tend to reach for a balance in nature, this occurs with clime as well. Natural changes tend to occur over millennia. The Human induced event will see the same type of change in a very short comparative period of time.

In terms of Balance nobody on either side of the discussion seriously discounts the impact of balance.

You are just being your normal disagreeable self expecting people to prove things that you know are true to start with. In this case it is as simple as that if you change the dynamics in play in a system you will drive a change in the outcome.


Your argument that the human effect will destroy us is shot down by the fact that yearly rate of atmospheric CO2 increase in the atmosphere is accumulating in accordance with NATURAL CO2 EMISSIONS due to the fact that we have been warming since the little ice age..... Wink


You said that before but never supported you claim or contended with the fact that the Industrial revolution probably accounted for temp rising. i.e. we were putting co2 into the atmosphere in this period. The little ice age was only a localised event - not an ice age really.

Had the warming trend been associated with an impact of the little ice age you would believe that temp would rise to pre little ice age levels and not many times greater as we have now.

If you want to argue that Co2 is increasing because temp is increasing and not the other way around what do you base this belief on.

Note: science is pretty much unanimous on the point that greenhouse gasses cause warming - even the climate change sceptics know that this is true.
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Re: Climate Change - Time is running out says CSIRO
Reply #139 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:47am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
And the CSIRO doesn't know any of this Cheesy LOL


They're on the gravy train aren't they....???

Say yes and be funded.....!!!

So no and lose your job....!!!
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Re: Climate Change - Time is running out says CSIRO
Reply #140 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:51am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:31am:
Ajax wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:25am:
Like I said Barny if we imported fossil fuels from alien planets I could agree with you.

Fossil fuels underground were are part of the atmosphere at one time or another and are of this Earth.

They're just being recycled nothing new is being introduced that wasn't a part of the atmosphere at one time or another.


Wow Ajax.
No wonder you have no idea about the science of AGW and you are so easily sucked in by denialist bloggers.
Whether the CO2 is a gas in the atmosphere or a solid buried underground makes a MASSIVE difference.
I'm quite astonished that you can't see that


Like I said all ingredients are of this Earth and formed some part of the atmosphere.

The re-cycling is part of Earth's carbon cycle.

Nothing new has been introduced.
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Re: Climate Change - Time is running out says CSIRO
Reply #141 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:54am
 
Ajax wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:42am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:39am:
All we can do is control what we are responsible for.

Your numbers are meaning less as the natural component is balanced, the problem is adding 4% per year above the point of balance for a century or so. What is 100 X 4% ?

Taking the economic advantage of acting earlier is not a bad economic choice it may save us billions in the long term and at the same time produce industries and technology with a real long term market value and benefit to Australia.

Playing catch up may be the very expensive result of our current behaviour.

This is because we have been warming since the little ice age


You know that the little ice age was not an ice age at all, it was a localised cool period the followed the medieval warm period, another localised event.

It is also evident that the graphs you display all measure the period of the Industrial revolution, Would that be because the period between the little Ice age and the Industrial Revolution fails to support the claim ? We know that the industrial revolution was the beginning of anthropological climate impact, when we started pumping quantities of Co2 into the atmosphere.

The graphs you supplied do not support what you would like them to, in fact they hurt your cause.



You better stick to whatever your doing cause you wont make a scientists left finger nail.

So you want to spend billions of dollars trying to keep the climate stable and at a status quo by controlling 1.26% of 4% my goodness mate do you realise how STUPID that is.

Can man really control the cycles of the Earth and the sun......????

The Medieval warm period was global, stop quoting Mann and his cronies to justify a lie.

You believe in science by consensus well then here you go.

You wont hear about these papers on sceptical science.... Cheesy

Quote:
‘More than 700 scientists from 400 institutions in 40 countries have contributed peer-reviewed papers providing evidence that the Medieval Warm Period was real, global, & warmer than the present’


http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/03/08/more-than-700-scientists-from-400-institu...




This is how your refereed award winning website rates ?


2012  Morano was named the "Climate Change Misinformer of the Year.
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Re: Climate Change - Time is running out says CSIRO
Reply #142 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:56am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:46am:
You said that before but never supported you claim or contended with the fact that the Industrial revolution probably accounted for temp rising. i.e. we were putting co2 into the atmosphere in this period. The little ice age was only a localised event - not an ice age really.

Had the warming trend been associated with an impact of the little ice age you would believe that temp would rise to pre little ice age levels and not many times greater as we have now.

If you want to argue that Co2 is increasing because temp is increasing and not the other way around what do you base this belief on.

Note: science is pretty much unanimous on the point that greenhouse gasses cause warming - even the climate change sceptics know that this is true.


My friend your arrogance precedes your ignorance the chart has been posted for you to see, go back and have a look, atmospheric CO2 yearly increases fall in line with Earth heating up and natural sinks emitting more CO2 into the atmosphere.

The trend doesn't follow mans emissions which are too small to make any difference.

NO medieval warm period was GLOBAL and your arrogance precedes your ignorance.

The Medieval warm period was global.

You believe in science by consensus well then here you go.

You wont hear about these papers on sceptical science.... Cheesy

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‘More than 700 scientists from 400 institutions in 40 countries have contributed peer-reviewed papers providing evidence that the Medieval Warm Period was real, global, & warmer than the present’


http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/03/08/more-than-700-scientists-from-400-institu...


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Re: Climate Change - Time is running out says CSIRO
Reply #143 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 10:00am
 
Ajax wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:51am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:31am:
Ajax wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:25am:
Like I said Barny if we imported fossil fuels from alien planets I could agree with you.

Fossil fuels underground were are part of the atmosphere at one time or another and are of this Earth.

They're just being recycled nothing new is being introduced that wasn't a part of the atmosphere at one time or another.


Wow Ajax.
No wonder you have no idea about the science of AGW and you are so easily sucked in by denialist bloggers.
Whether the CO2 is a gas in the atmosphere or a solid buried underground makes a MASSIVE difference.
I'm quite astonished that you can't see that


Like I said all ingredients are of this Earth and formed some part of the atmosphere.

The re-cycling is part of Earth's carbon cycle.

Nothing new has been introduced.


Someone else pointed out how embarrassing this claim is.

A rather large portion of dormant Co2 has been added to the active system. That is an amount of Co2 that was having no impact on climate now is, this is happening because we released it into the system.

Over time this could happen naturally but this time it didn't we are responsible.
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Re: Climate Change - Time is running out says CSIRO
Reply #144 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 10:01am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:54am:
Ajax wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:42am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:39am:
All we can do is control what we are responsible for.

Your numbers are meaning less as the natural component is balanced, the problem is adding 4% per year above the point of balance for a century or so. What is 100 X 4% ?

Taking the economic advantage of acting earlier is not a bad economic choice it may save us billions in the long term and at the same time produce industries and technology with a real long term market value and benefit to Australia.

Playing catch up may be the very expensive result of our current behaviour.

This is because we have been warming since the little ice age


You know that the little ice age was not an ice age at all, it was a localised cool period the followed the medieval warm period, another localised event.

It is also evident that the graphs you display all measure the period of the Industrial revolution, Would that be because the period between the little Ice age and the Industrial Revolution fails to support the claim ? We know that the industrial revolution was the beginning of anthropological climate impact, when we started pumping quantities of Co2 into the atmosphere.

The graphs you supplied do not support what you would like them to, in fact they hurt your cause.



You better stick to whatever your doing cause you wont make a scientists left finger nail.

So you want to spend billions of dollars trying to keep the climate stable and at a status quo by controlling 1.26% of 4% my goodness mate do you realise how STUPID that is.

Can man really control the cycles of the Earth and the sun......????

The Medieval warm period was global, stop quoting Mann and his cronies to justify a lie.

You believe in science by consensus well then here you go.

You wont hear about these papers on sceptical science.... Cheesy

Quote:
‘More than 700 scientists from 400 institutions in 40 countries have contributed peer-reviewed papers providing evidence that the Medieval Warm Period was real, global, & warmer than the present’


http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/03/08/more-than-700-scientists-from-400-institu...




This is how your refereed award winning website rates ?


2012  Morano was named the "Climate Change Misinformer of the Year.


He was was he,

Morano is a presenter he finds the information and makes it available so sheep like yourself might awaken from their slumber.

And what shall we say about John Cook over at sceptical science who tried to deceive the whole world by claiming 97% of scientists in that paper he wrote.

Turned out from over 1000 papers only 67 totally agreed with AGW.

What have you to say about that.   
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Re: Climate Change - Time is running out says CSIRO
Reply #145 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 10:03am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 10:00am:
Ajax wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:51am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:31am:
Ajax wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:25am:
Like I said Barny if we imported fossil fuels from alien planets I could agree with you.

Fossil fuels underground were are part of the atmosphere at one time or another and are of this Earth.

They're just being recycled nothing new is being introduced that wasn't a part of the atmosphere at one time or another.


Wow Ajax.
No wonder you have no idea about the science of AGW and you are so easily sucked in by denialist bloggers.
Whether the CO2 is a gas in the atmosphere or a solid buried underground makes a MASSIVE difference.
I'm quite astonished that you can't see that


Like I said all ingredients are of this Earth and formed some part of the atmosphere.

The re-cycling is part of Earth's carbon cycle.

Nothing new has been introduced.


Someone else pointed out how embarrassing this claim is.

A rather large portion of dormant Co2 has been added to the active system. That is an amount of Co2 that was having no impact on climate now is, this is happening because we released it into the system.

Over time this could happen naturally but this time it didn't we are responsible.


Explain to me why its embarrassing and if your argument if logical I will consider it.

And if the sun develops a few measles and farts on the earth warming us up how much CO2 CAN be released from the oceans and the terra firma.... Cheesy

Kinda makes wasting billions on trying to maintain a status quo RIDICULUS......!!!!

Don't you think.....????
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Re: Climate Change - Time is running out says CSIRO
Reply #146 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 10:42am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 11:20pm:
Do you agree or disagree with Donald Trump on this issue ?



You have made claims I agree with DT on something. You haven't enunciated on what it is I believe.

Until you can enunciate what it is you believe that I believe - I will ignore you. You are just trolling.
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Reply #147 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 10:45am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:31am:
Whether the CO2 is a gas in the atmosphere or a solid buried underground makes a MASSIVE difference.



Perhaps you can tell us at what pressure or what temperature CO2 forms a solid under the ground. Wink
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Reply #148 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 10:48am
 
lee wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 10:42am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 11:20pm:
Do you agree or disagree with Donald Trump on this issue ?



You have made claims I agree with DT on something. You haven't enunciated on what it is I believe.

Until you can enunciate what it is you believe that I believe - I will ignore you. You are just trolling.


Lastnail. You should know by now that lee never states his position on anything. It is a tactic used so he can perform his backflips and other verbal gymnastics
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Reply #149 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 10:49am
 
lee wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 10:45am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:31am:
Whether the CO2 is a gas in the atmosphere or a solid buried underground makes a MASSIVE difference.



Perhaps you can tell us at what pressure or what temperature CO2 forms a solid under the ground. Wink


Perhaps you can tells us the different states that CO2 can be in  Wink
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