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Reply #150 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 10:53am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:54am:
2012  Morano was named the "Climate Change Misinformer of the Year.



Ooh how scary.

Who was it who said that? A quick search reveals it was MediaMatters. Hardly something with a science bent.

"At the end of 2012, Media Matters for America, a politically left leaning media watchdog, named Morano the "Climate Change Misinformer of the Year."[11]

[11] Fitzsimmons, Jill; Theel, Shauna (December 27, 2012). "Climate Change Misinformer Of The Year: Marc Morano". Media Matters for America. Retrieved September 14, 2013.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Morano

"Climatologist Michael E. Mann has criticized Morano."

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That would have to be a plus. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #151 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 10:58am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:46am:
Had the warming trend been associated with an impact of the little ice age you would believe that temp would rise to pre little ice age levels and not many times greater as we have now.



Can you show where the current warming is "many times greater" than the MWP? The MWP is inarguably pre-little ice age. Wink
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Reply #152 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 11:29am
 
So lee you basically believe that there are no environmental consequences to setting fire to all of the remaining fossil fools on the planet ?
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Reply #153 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 11:38am
 
Another consensus...... Kiss

Medieval warm period warmer than today.


Dahl_Jensen et al 1998
Wagner & Melles 2001
Kaplan et al 2002
Jiang et al 2002
Moore et al 2001
Grudd et al 2002
Seppa & Birks 2002
Dansgaard et al 1975
Korhola et al 2000
Naurzbaev et al 2002
Vaganov et el 1996
Briffa et al 1998
Scweingruber & Briffa 1996
Knudsen et al 2004
Grinsted et al 2006
Besonen et al 2008
Wagner et al 2008
Vare et al 2009
Norgaard-Pedersen & Mikkelsen 2009
Andresen et al 2004
Vinther et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2008
Stuiver et al 1995
Dansgaard et al 1975
Jenings & Weiner 1996
Johnsen et al 2001
Vinther et al 2010
Larsen et al 2011
Hill et al 2001
Joynt & Wolfe 2001
Hantemirov & Shiyatov 2002
Andersson et al 2003
Helama et al 2005
Mazepa 2005
Weckstrom et al 2006
Jiang et al 2007
Zabenski & Gajewski 2007
Grudd 2008
Justwan et al 2008
Scire et al 2008
Axford et al 2009
Bjune et al 2009
Cook et al 2009
Fortin & Gajewski 2010
Buntgen et al 2011
Divine et al 2011
Ran et al 2011
Velle et al 2011
D’Andrea et al 2012
Esper et al 2012

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Reply #154 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 11:41am
 
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CO2 levels may have been over 2000ppm in 1200AD

Another inconvenient truth for warmists. New research suggests that the co2 level of the atmosphere was a lot higher during the Medieval Warm Period than today.

First lets look at a paper that shaped the modern view of past co2 levels.

180 Years of atmospheric CO2 Gas Analysis by Chemical Methods, published in the prestigous Journal "Energy and Environment" by Dr Ernst-Georg Beck.

http://www.biokurs.de/treibhaus/180CO2_supp.htm

The paper is also covered in the media:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/6855

Below I have reproduced some of the data from this study for the purpose of scientific analysis. This data shows that co2 levels were much higher than today in 1940 and 1827:

http://denialdepot.blogspot.com.au/2009/04/co2-levels-may-have-been-over-2000ppm...



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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
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Reply #155 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 12:05pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 11:29am:
So lee you basically believe that there are no environmental consequences to setting fire to all of the remaining fossil fools on the planet ?



Oh dear. having failed to establish what I believe you ingenuously make stuff up? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #156 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 12:15pm
 
Another consensus.....!!!!

You guys only believe in consensus right.

71 new papers reported in 2013 demonstrating the Sun controls climate, not man-made CO2

Raspopov et al 2013
Turner et al 2014
Misios and Schmidt 2014
Gray et al. 2014 
Florides et al. 2013
Patterson et al. 2013 
Steinhilber and Beer 2013 
Miyake et al. 2013 
Gil-Alana et al. 2013
Laken and Calogovic 2013 
de Jager and Nieuwenhuijzen 2013
Wirth et al. 2013
Phipps et al. 2013
Burn and Palmer 2013
Magny et al. 2013
Roth and Joos 2013
Lockwood 2013
Scafetta 2013
Love, 2013
Roy 2013
Scafetta 2013
van Geel and Ziegler 2013
Anet et al. 2013
El Bilali et al. 2013
Schultz 2013 
Galloway et al. 2013
NAS 2012 
Wen et al. 2013
Gómez-Navarro and Zorita 2013 
Lu, 2012.
Asmerom et al. 2013
Stolze et al. 2013 
Van Oldenborgh et al. 2013
Matthes et al. 2013
Meehl et al. 2013
YuXin et al. 2013
Usoskin et al. 2013
Thomas et. El. 2013
Jackson and Foster 2013
Kobashi et al. 2013
Stolze et al. 2013
Hervé et al. in press 
Frezotti et al. 2013
Nagaya et al. 2012
Gu et al. 2012
Di Rita 2013
Patterson et al. in press
Heredia and Elias 2013
Charbonneau 2013
Tung and Zhou 2013
Kern et al. 2013
Chen et al. 2013 
Wang & Su 2013 
Clete and Lefevre 2012
Dietrich et al. 2013 
Bleicher, 2013
Scaife et al. 2013
Bochnicek et al. 2012
Czymzik et al. 2013

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Reply #157 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 12:36pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 12:05pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 11:29am:
So lee you basically believe that there are no environmental consequences to setting fire to all of the remaining fossil fools on the planet ?



Oh dear. having failed to establish what I believe you ingenuously make stuff up? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


so what is it then ?
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Reply #158 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 12:44pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
so what is it then ?


What is what petal? You clearly enunciated what question you are asking. Do I agree with DT? Don't know enough about what he believes.
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Reply #159 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 3:05pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 12:44pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 12:36pm:
so what is it then ?


What is what petal? You clearly enunciated what question you are asking. Do I agree with DT? Don't know enough about what he believes.


Tell us what it is that you believe on this issue ?
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Reply #160 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 3:09pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 3:05pm:
Tell us what it is that you believe on this issue ?



What issue petal? DT penchant for arse grabbing? DT and his taxes? DT and the border wall?

You were talking about me being in agreement with DT. Wink
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Reply #161 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 3:21pm
 
Ajax wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:56am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 9:46am:
You said that before but never supported you claim or contended with the fact that the Industrial revolution probably accounted for temp rising. i.e. we were putting co2 into the atmosphere in this period. The little ice age was only a localised event - not an ice age really.

Had the warming trend been associated with an impact of the little ice age you would believe that temp would rise to pre little ice age levels and not many times greater as we have now.

If you want to argue that Co2 is increasing because temp is increasing and not the other way around what do you base this belief on.

Note: science is pretty much unanimous on the point that greenhouse gasses cause warming - even the climate change sceptics know that this is true.


My friend your arrogance precedes your ignorance the chart has been posted for you to see, go back and have a look, atmospheric CO2 yearly increases fall in line with Earth heating up and natural sinks emitting more CO2 into the atmosphere.

The trend doesn't follow mans emissions which are too small to make any difference.

NO medieval warm period was GLOBAL and your arrogance precedes your ignorance.

The Medieval warm period was global.

You believe in science by consensus well then here you go.

You wont hear about these papers on sceptical science.... Cheesy

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‘More than 700 scientists from 400 institutions in 40 countries have contributed peer-reviewed papers providing evidence that the Medieval Warm Period was real, global, & warmer than the present’


http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/03/08/more-than-700-scientists-from-400-institu...





You know that this site is a clearing house for information, not even the owner agrees with a lot of what is presented on the site?

You put a lot of focus on the medieval period being real when it is in fact in significant doubt, either way it likely has not a lot to do with global warming.
In a nut shell there was once close to consensus that both the medieval warm period and the little ice age were both localised events, there were good reasons for this belief at the time.

More recently there has been evidence that there were warm and cool periods in the southern hemisphere as well as the northern. This has tended to swing the argument back to a position that they may have been global events.

The problem that still exists is that the time lines for these events seem to have been different. i.e the warn and cool periods in the northern hemisphere did not occur at the same time as in the south. This puts a question make back on the whole topic. However the causes are known and irrelevant to what we see today. Just more mud in the water to distract from the science.


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Reply #162 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 3:26pm
 
Ajax wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 11:41am:
http://i58.tinypic.com/10dtx0o.jpg

Quote:
Saturday, 18 April 2009
   
CO2 levels may have been over 2000ppm in 1200AD

Another inconvenient truth for warmists. New research suggests that the co2 level of the atmosphere was a lot higher during the Medieval Warm Period than today.

First lets look at a paper that shaped the modern view of past co2 levels.

180 Years of atmospheric CO2 Gas Analysis by Chemical Methods, published in the prestigous Journal "Energy and Environment" by Dr Ernst-Georg Beck.

http://www.biokurs.de/treibhaus/180CO2_supp.htm

The paper is also covered in the media:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/6855

Below I have reproduced some of the data from this study for the purpose of scientific analysis. This data shows that co2 levels were much higher than today in 1940 and 1827:

http://denialdepot.blogspot.com.au/2009/04/co2-levels-may-have-been-over-2000ppm...



https://i.ibb.co/K55ccDj/MWP01.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/cc5zMn3/scin.jpg


Do you think that if any of this were true that it would have found its way to a credible source by now?
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Reply #163 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 3:59pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 3:21pm:
You put a lot of focus on the medieval period being real when it is in fact in significant doubt, either way it likely has not a lot to do with global warming.



So you say it wasn't global warming? It was what global cooling? Global stasis?

Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 3:21pm:
The problem that still exists is that the time lines for these events seem to have been different. i.e the warn and cool periods in the northern hemisphere did not occur at the same time as in the south. This puts a question make back on the whole topic.



You mean like the melting Arctic and the non-melting Antarctic?

Or at least at different rates - despite it being global warming?

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Reply #164 - Dec 26th, 2018 at 4:10pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 26th, 2018 at 3:26pm:
Do you think that if any of this were true that it would have found its way to a credible source by now?



Or been definitively debunked. Wink
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