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Reply #105 - Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:21am
 
Ajax wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 9:41am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Ajax wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 9:00am:
Natural CO2 emissions every year = 96% of total.

Manmade CO2 emissions every year = 4% approx. of total.



How many times do I need to explain how wrong you are Ajax? Are you deliberately being ignorant?

The natural emissions are balanced by natural absorption. It's called the carbon cycle.
Human emissions on the other hand are ADDITIONAL, and they mostly accumulate in the atmosphere and the oceans 


I would agree with you if we were importing fossil fuels from the moon or mars or some other alien planet.

But all we're doing is changing one form of energy into another all substances are from the Earth.

Merry Christmas sugar tits............ Cheesy


Is this meant to mean something ?
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Reply #106 - Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:31am
 
lee wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 9:43am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 9:24am:
The natural emissions are balanced by natural absorption.


That great human construct "balance". balanced lifestyle, balanced diet, the balance of the scales of justice. Please show where in nature it has been shown that things have to be in "balance". Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



Things tend to reach for a balance in nature, this occurs with clime as well. Natural changes tend to occur over millennia. The Human induced event will see the same type of change in a very short comparative period of time.

In terms of Balance nobody on either side of the discussion seriously discounts the impact of balance.

You are just being your normal disagreeable self expecting people to prove things that you know are true to start with. In this case it is as simple as that if you change the dynamics in play in a system you will drive a change in the outcome.
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Re: Climate Change - Time is running out says CSIRO
Reply #107 - Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:35am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:31am:
Things tend to reach for a balance in nature, this occurs with clime as well. Natural changes tend to occur over millennia. The Human induced event will see the same type of change in a very short comparative period of time.



You mean like a population "balance"? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
Are you a Eugenicist? Wink
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Reply #108 - Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:39am
 
Ajax wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 9:00am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 8:42am:
Ajax wrote on Dec 23rd, 2018 at 10:09am:
It doesn't matter what we do at 1.24% it will hardly make any difference.

https://i.ibb.co/rk5sQfM/acfp.jpg


With 200 countries on this planet is they all produced 1.24% the carbon emissions would quadruple or more ?

Over 85% are under 1% they all have the same excuse that it does not matter that you prefer to use for us yet combine all the countries at or below 1.24% and you will find that the overall percentage is huge.

Our 1.24% puts us at about number 13 in the list of high emitters, we are in fact one of the worst.


Natural CO2 emissions every year = 96% of total.

Manmade CO2 emissions every year = 4% approx. of total.

So 1.26% of 4% is going to make a difference......???

Wake up and get real FFS.

The amount of atmospheric CO2 has been increasing in line with the Natural emissions of CO2 not what man is throwing up.

This is because we have been warming since the little ice age and as we warm more natural CO2 is thrown up into the atmosphere from natural sinks, which eclipses anything man can do.

And lets not forget the logarithmic affect of CO2 either.

https://i.ibb.co/vHCPyJn/agw11.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/sqwVPxL/co2log-JPG.jpg


All we can do is control what we are responsible for.

Your numbers are meaning less as the natural component is balanced, the problem is adding 4% per year above the point of balance for a century or so. What is 100 X 4% ?

Taking the economic advantage of acting earlier is not a bad economic choice it may save us billions in the long term and at the same time produce industries and technology with a real long term market value and benefit to Australia.

Playing catch up may be the very expensive result of our current behaviour.

This is because we have been warming since the little ice age


You know that the little ice age was not an ice age at all, it was a localised cool period the followed the medieval warm period, another localised event.

It is also evident that the graphs you display all measure the period of the Industrial revolution, Would that be because the period between the little Ice age and the Industrial Revolution fails to support the claim ? We know that the industrial revolution was the beginning of anthropological climate impact, when we started pumping quantities of Co2 into the atmosphere.

The graphs you supplied do not support what you would like them to, in fact they hurt your cause.

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Reply #109 - Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:46am
 
lee wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:35am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:31am:
Things tend to reach for a balance in nature, this occurs with clime as well. Natural changes tend to occur over millennia. The Human induced event will see the same type of change in a very short comparative period of time.



You mean like a population "balance"? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
Are you a Eugenicist? Wink


Please do not try to put words in my mouth or make irrelevant diversions.

We all know that there would be some point of population balance and hope we never find it, climate change has the potential to lead to this position.

There would be a point of balance where the planet can produce enough food for less people than we have to survive. One of the primary factors behind the need to take action on climate change and shown or inferred in this report in the projected changes to Australia's climate and the probable results.
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Re: Climate Change - Time is running out says CSIRO
Reply #110 - Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:52am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:31am:
lee wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 9:43am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 9:24am:
The natural emissions are balanced by natural absorption.


That great human construct "balance". balanced lifestyle, balanced diet, the balance of the scales of justice. Please show where in nature it has been shown that things have to be in "balance". Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



Things tend to reach for a balance in nature, this occurs with clime as well. Natural changes tend to occur over millennia. The Human induced event will see the same type of change in a very short comparative period of time.

In terms of Balance nobody on either side of the discussion seriously discounts the impact of balance.

You are just being your normal disagreeable self expecting people to prove things that you know are true to start with. In this case it is as simple as that if you change the dynamics in play in a system you will drive a change in the outcome.


Dnarever is, of course, completely correct.

If we continue down our current path, eventually even those additional human CO2 emissions will reach a balance. The problem will be that the balance will be a far higher concentration than we have today. 
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Reply #111 - Dec 25th, 2018 at 11:12am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:46am:
We all know that there would be some point of population balance and hope we never find it, climate change has the potential to lead to this position.



So no population balance yet then. Wink

Dnarever wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:46am:
There would be a point of balance where the planet can produce enough food for less people than we have to survive.



yes. But that point keeps moving further into the future because of increasing food supply. The main impediment would be transporting those foods using sailing ships (wind power) as opposed to fossil fuels.

Dnarever wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:46am:
One of the primary factors behind the need to take action on climate change and shown or inferred in this report in the projected changes to Australia's climate and the probable results.


Yes. That report. Did you hear about Ocean PH? Dropping pH levels back to 1870. back when they didn't even know that pH varied daily let alone seasonally. Wink

rainfall? I note they use April to October only not annual rainfall.

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Rainfall back to 1876 - Why limit the graphs? Perth only but Perth water catchment is the largest in that region.



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Reply #112 - Dec 25th, 2018 at 11:29am
 
"A team of water experts has identified a correlation between widespread land clearing and a decline in rainfall in Western Australia's South West region. "

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-21/evidence-land-clearing-leads-to-rainfall-...

Land clearing is not climate change per se.
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Reply #113 - Dec 25th, 2018 at 11:38am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:07am:
Ajax wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 9:41am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 9:24am:
Ajax wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 9:00am:
Natural CO2 emissions every year = 96% of total.

Manmade CO2 emissions every year = 4% approx. of total.



How many times do I need to explain how wrong you are Ajax? Are you deliberately being ignorant?

The natural emissions are balanced by natural absorption. It's called the carbon cycle.
Human emissions on the other hand are ADDITIONAL, and they mostly accumulate in the atmosphere and the oceans 


I would agree with you if we were importing fossil fuels from the moon or mars or some other alien planet.

But all we're doing is changing one form of energy into another all substances are from the Earth.



Wow, what an ignorant comment.

You do realize that CO2 buried underground in the form of fossil fuels is completely different to releasing it into the atmosphere.
You have just relieved your complete ignorance on this subject  Grin Grin Grin


LNP voters are always happy when they can explain things away by being irrational.
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Reply #114 - Dec 25th, 2018 at 11:52am
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:52am:
If we continue down our current path, eventually even those additional human CO2 emissions will reach a balance. The problem will be that the balance will be a far higher concentration than we have today. 



A movable balance.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #115 - Dec 25th, 2018 at 11:54am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 11:38am:
You have just relieved your complete ignorance on this subject  Grin Grin Grin


LNP voters are always happy when they can explain things away by being irrational.



Seeing as you are so sure perhaps you can explain barney's last sentence; he seems coy about it.
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Reply #116 - Dec 25th, 2018 at 11:54am
 
lee wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 11:52am:
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 10:52am:
If we continue down our current path, eventually even those additional human CO2 emissions will reach a balance. The problem will be that the balance will be a far higher concentration than we have today. 



A movable balance.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Wow lee.
Are you deliberately being stupid just to get a bite?
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Reply #117 - Dec 25th, 2018 at 12:00pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 11:54am:
Are you deliberately being stupid just to get a bite?



Are you really that silly? According to Hansen we currently have an imbalance of 0.58 W/m2 caused by CO2.

Please tell us how more CO2 will create a new balance. The only way for that to occur would be to sequestrate more CO2.

Of course the Mass balance does have a mere 17W/m2 error band.
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Reply #118 - Dec 25th, 2018 at 12:05pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 12:00pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 11:54am:
Are you deliberately being stupid just to get a bite?



Are you really that silly? According to Hansen we currently have an imbalance of 0.58 W/m2 caused by CO2.

Please tell us how more CO2 will create a new balance. The only way for that to occur would be to sequestrate more CO2.

Of course the Mass balance does have a mere +/-17W/m2 error band.


Are you as ignorant of the carbon cycle as Ajax? Apparently so
But I'm not going to engage with you as that only feeds the trolls
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Reply #119 - Dec 25th, 2018 at 12:14pm
 
The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 12:05pm:
Are you as ignorant of the carbon cycle as Ajax? Apparently so



You are the one ignoring the "Climate Seance" as per Hansen. Why is that? It shows you up as not knowing about the carbon budget measured in fluxes.

"This level of detail cannot be inferred directly from measurements of surface energy fluxes, which have combined uncertainties of the order of ± 17 W/m².[15]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_energy_budget

Reference 15 -  Stephens, Graeme L.; Li, Juilin; Wild, Martin; Clayson, Carol Anne; Loeb, Norman; Kato, Seiji; L'Ecuyer, Tristan; Stackhouse Jr., Paul W.; Lebsock, Matthew (2012-10-01). "An update on Earth's energy balance in light of the latest global observations". Nature Geoscience. 5 (10): 691–696. Bibcode:2012NatGe...5..691S. doi:10.1038/ngeo1580. ISSN 1752-0894.

The_Barnacle wrote on Dec 25th, 2018 at 12:05pm:
But I'm not going to engage with you as that only feeds the trolls



yes. you continually run away and hide.
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