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Dec 16th, 2018 at 8:44pm
 
An interesting opinion poll. Reachtel poll: Division of Kooyong (held by Josh Frydenberg)

2 Party Preferred: LIB 48 (-14.9 since election) ALP 52 (+14.9)

Source: GhostWhoVotes.

For the Libs to be even close to being in trouble in Kooyong is seismic. This seat has always been held by conservative or centre right parties since it was first contested at the first election in 1901, and has had only four members since 1934 (Robert Menzies, Andrew Peacock, Petro Georgiou and Josh Frydenberg).
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Reply #1 - Dec 16th, 2018 at 9:18pm
 
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Reply #2 - Dec 16th, 2018 at 9:42pm
 
I suppose before Malcolm incident it wasn't the case, since internal marginal seat polling was positive for the coalition.

However, if one was a rusted on coalition supporter, one would keep head in the sand and ignore polls.
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Reply #3 - Dec 16th, 2018 at 9:49pm
 
have you forgotten Benelong.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

McKew did the impossible..

btw whatever happened to her???? Smiley

just askin!
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Reply #4 - Dec 16th, 2018 at 11:57pm
 
cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2018 at 9:49pm:
have you forgotten Benelong.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

McKew did the impossible..

btw whatever happened to her???? Smiley

just askin!

This thread is discussing Kooyong, not Bennelong.

The Liberals are in some trouble in seats they once considered safe. After the Liberals lost Hawthorn in the Victorian state election, no seat is truly safe. The state seat of Hawthorn overlaps the federal seat of Kooyong.
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Reply #5 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 5:24am
 
Bam wrote on Dec 16th, 2018 at 11:57pm:
cods wrote on Dec 16th, 2018 at 9:49pm:
have you forgotten Benelong.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

McKew did the impossible..

btw whatever happened to her???? Smiley

just askin!

This thread is discussing Kooyong, not Bennelong.

The Liberals are in some trouble in seats they once considered safe. After the Liberals lost Hawthorn in the Victorian state election, no seat is truly safe. The state seat of Hawthorn overlaps the federal seat of Kooyong.



oh poo excuse me....I forgot you are the only one allowed to bring up other seats...

personally I think its a good idea all this safe seat crap makes them far too complacent   it should happen to all of them..

but thats just me!
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Reply #6 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 6:17am
 
Just one more sign of the absolute hammering that will  take place next march libbos.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #7 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 7:40am
 
30 seat Labor gain isn't unachievable , nor is majority in both houses the way these steaming piles of dog excrement are performing
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Reply #8 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 8:12am
 
Its time wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 7:40am:
30 seat Labor gain isn't unachievable , nor is majority in both houses the way these steaming piles of dog excrement are performing

The Coalition could easily lose six seats or more in Victoria. The Sydney-centric Coalition government has wilfully neglected Victoria and the Victorian voters are fed up and waiting for the election with baseball bats.
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Reply #9 - Dec 19th, 2018 at 10:05pm
 
It's all good. Voters will "overlook" political scandals and the Coalition's issue with women at the next election, according to Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg.
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Reply #10 - Dec 19th, 2018 at 10:45pm
 
Raven wrote on Dec 19th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
It's all good. Voters will "overlook" political scandals and the Coalition's issue with women at the next election, according to Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg.

There's so much wrong with the current government that it's easy to overlook their women problem. The voters would be voting them out for other reasons.
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Reply #11 - Dec 20th, 2018 at 10:14pm
 
I think the electorate has lost belief in surplus budgets and such in an election year - it's a follow-on from endless catastrophes in the budget and economy and suddenly without a single thing changing, all becomes roses...



Methinks the people are pissed off on many fronts, and are demanding change from all sides of Parliament.

Put simply.. We, The People are sick and tired of favouritism and cronyism and endless waste on stupid 'social experiment issues' and false 'equality', and of big business being favoured without reason under some ridiculous umbrella propaganda that somehow gold will fall to all if only business can prosper mightily, and that somehow 'competing' on a decidedly non-level playing field with nations racked with poverty will make a Utopia for everyone on Earth at a time when population is exploding and the only path forward is downhill all the way.

Lock the Gates on Lifeboat Australia (as I tweeted to Bro Shorten today) and let's get to the real world for a change instead of all these fantasies.

Vote 1 - Grappler for Life President...... one hell of a lot cheaper to run than a Prime Minister and an Governor-General.... let alone over 50% of the incumbents being 'Ministers' of some sort and the rest overpaid....

I promise a lean cabinet, and a lean government for the people first and foremost.   Cool
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Re: Kooyong poll: is Frydenberg in trouble?
Reply #12 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 9:22am
 
cods wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 5:24am:
personally I think its a good idea all this safe seat crap makes them far too complacent   it should happen to all of them..

but thats just me!


You certainly raise an interesting point cods regarding how party's approach election campaign funding. As you correctly allude to, the approach taken by both major parties - for decades - has been to focus the vast majority of their campaign finances on a select few key marginals, and this has fostered an unhealthy complacency where the populations in so called 'safe seats' are taken for granted. This is bad for democracy IMO.

Now, since the last 5 years or so, we see this model threatened, where we see grassroots campaigns operating on shoe-string budgets, threatening and even defeating the 'safe' incumbents - particularly the seats held by the coalition. The shock defeat of Sophie Mirabella in 2013 seems to have started this wave - seen most recently with the defeat of the liberals in Wentworth.

What does this mean for campaign funding? Until now, the major parties - particularly the liberal party, have a large, yet finite, war chest that is very rigidly budgeted and allocated to wherever the campaign HQ deems it should be spent. Everything from the structure of the budget right down to the daily campaign itenery is rigidly managed and controlled by campaign HQ. Local candidates are not allowed to make any comments, hold any press conference, hold any door stops without approval from HQ. A great example of how this can hinder a campaign was demonstrated in the recent Wentworth campaign - where Kerryn Phelps was on social media every day, connecting with people, unimpeded, saying exactly what she wanted to. In stark contrast, poor Dave Sharma couldn't even make a tweet without first getting approval from campaign HQ. Voters were complaining about their efforts to engage Sharma on social media and not getting any response - because he couldn't.

This is what the stale, rigid campaign model of the traditional parties is facing - cheaper, more efficient and far more engaging grassroots campaigns. Labor seems to be adapting to this new model far better than the liberals - mostly because they are able to pool resources with experienced grassroots campaigning outfits like getup and the unions. The threat this poses to the liberals especially is on two fronts: 1. simply defeating their opponents with sheer amounts of money in marginals no longer guarantees victory - as their opponents can match, and beat big money campaigning with efficient and engaging grassroots campaigning (Wentworth). and 2. Simply having a seat with a large margin is no longer a criteria for it being "safe", and therefore can be ignored. The libs ignoring Indi, cost them the seat.

What does this all mean? IMO, if the libs are going to survive long term, they need to radically transform their election funding model. The days of rigid, centrally controlled campaigning is coming to an end. No longer can they respond to a strong independent by simply paying for more flyers and bombarding the electorate with robocalls with stale liberal party talking points. They need to actually engage at a grassroots level - and for that, they need to restructure their entire campaigning model so that they can deploy an army of local, in touch campaigners who know the area, and have the authority and independence to fashion their messages to fit the local conditions.
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Re: Kooyong poll: is Frydenberg in trouble?
Reply #13 - Dec 21st, 2018 at 9:47am
 
Raven wrote on Dec 19th, 2018 at 10:05pm:
It's all good. Voters will "overlook" political scandals and the Coalition's issue with women at the next election, according to Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg.



Labor has an issue with women - over-promoting them and their 'rights' so as to avoid being criticised and name-called.


Word for today:-

'crictisise' (v) (dj) .. having your neck bent by extreme criticism,  (alt) learning to kow-tow...
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