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Brendan O'Neill on Terror.
Dec 15th, 2018 at 9:24pm
 
After the Manchester attack on pop fans, the Oasis song Don't Look Back In Anger became the anthem of the nation. It captured the sentiment that now takes hold after terrorist attacks: don't dwell on it, just lay a flower and move on.

We are discouraged from asking difficult questions. Debate is frowned on.

Wonder if radical Islam is a problem for the West and you are branded “Islamophobe.”

Ask if it was wise of Angela Merkel to welcome hundreds of the thousands of migrants from the Middle East in 2015 and you'll be called racist.

Even to argue that there are certain French, British, American and Australian values that are good, and that we should encourage newcomers to adopt, is to risk being viewed as a sinner against the multicultural idea that all values are equally valid.

We always see this post-terror chilling of debate. The aim is to tame moral thought, dampen dangerous emotions. After every attack their (politicos and the media) response is to say: “There had better not be an Islamophobic backlash in response to this.”

It is becoming clear that the perversely chilled response to terror is not an act of defiance. Rather, it speaks to a reluctance in the West to engage in robust debate about terror, religion, immigration and values.

We need to change this post-terror culture. We need to recognise that a society, that will not even permit anger or moral soul-searching when an eight-year-old girl at an Ariana Grande concert is blown apart, is a society that has already been defeated.
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Reply #1 - Dec 15th, 2018 at 10:05pm
 
"I want to say whatever I want without consequences" is not "robust debate", it's cowardice in the face of criticism.
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Reply #2 - Dec 15th, 2018 at 10:17pm
 
We need to give peace a chance, these terrorist are reasonable people. They are just misunderstood.
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Reply #3 - Dec 16th, 2018 at 3:37pm
 
Term Dog wrote on Dec 15th, 2018 at 10:17pm:

We need to give peace a chance, these terrorist are reasonable people.

They are just misunderstood.




LOL

Exactly TD.

And anyone who disagrees with those sentiments, is a fascist !!




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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1536141258/46#46

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1534830555/0#0



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Reply #4 - Dec 18th, 2018 at 12:30pm
 
O'Neill's article is nothing but a whole bunch of strawmen.

The truth is, we do speak up, lament, and soul search all the things he claims we don't.

The problem can be boiled down to this:

he, and all his ilk pretend they are merely posing this question:

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Wonder if radical Islam is a problem for the West


when in reality they want to ask this question:

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Wonder if Islam is a problem for the West


- as if they actually hold the view that there is a version of Islam (and by extension muslims) that can be distinguished from the radical kind, and which they would accept into their society. What a joke.

I have far more respect for open Islamophobes who hold no such pretense, and say what all Islamophobes are thinking - Islam - full stop, is the problem, and has no place in western society - in any form.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #5 - Dec 18th, 2018 at 10:41pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Dec 15th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
After the Manchester attack on pop fans, the Oasis song Don't Look Back In Anger became the anthem of the nation. It captured the sentiment that now takes hold after terrorist attacks: don't dwell on it, just lay a flower and move on.

We are discouraged from asking difficult questions. Debate is frowned on.

Wonder if radical Islam is a problem for the West and you are branded “Islamophobe.”

Ask if it was wise of Angela Merkel to welcome hundreds of the thousands of migrants from the Middle East in 2015 and you'll be called racist.

Even to argue that there are certain French, British, American and Australian values that are good, and that we should encourage newcomers to adopt, is to risk being viewed as a sinner against the multicultural idea that all values are equally valid.

We always see this post-terror chilling of debate. The aim is to tame moral thought, dampen dangerous emotions. After every attack their (politicos and the media) response is to say: “There had better not be an Islamophobic backlash in response to this.”

It is becoming clear that the perversely chilled response to terror is not an act of defiance. Rather, it speaks to a reluctance in the West to engage in robust debate about terror, religion, immigration and values.

We need to change this post-terror culture. We need to recognise that a society, that will not even permit anger or moral soul-searching when an eight-year-old girl at an Ariana Grande concert is blown apart, is a society that has already been defeated.


By the same token we need to recognise the cause of the anger and terrorism waged upon us....When your children are blown apart by an American drone strike do you think the Afghan or Iraqi will not defend themselves by any means possible....Our Governments were warned a war in the Middle East would increase the risk of terrorism and the reasons for war were bullshit....Until we accept responsibility and get out of the ME this will never end???

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Reply #6 - Dec 19th, 2018 at 3:18am
 
Term Dog wrote on Dec 15th, 2018 at 10:17pm:
We need to give peace a chance, these terrorist are reasonable people. They are just misunderstood.



Let Allah sort it out for them.....
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Reply #7 - Dec 19th, 2018 at 3:22am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Dec 18th, 2018 at 10:41pm:
issuevoter wrote on Dec 15th, 2018 at 9:24pm:
After the Manchester attack on pop fans, the Oasis song Don't Look Back In Anger became the anthem of the nation. It captured the sentiment that now takes hold after terrorist attacks: don't dwell on it, just lay a flower and move on.

We are discouraged from asking difficult questions. Debate is frowned on.

Wonder if radical Islam is a problem for the West and you are branded “Islamophobe.”

Ask if it was wise of Angela Merkel to welcome hundreds of the thousands of migrants from the Middle East in 2015 and you'll be called racist.

Even to argue that there are certain French, British, American and Australian values that are good, and that we should encourage newcomers to adopt, is to risk being viewed as a sinner against the multicultural idea that all values are equally valid.

We always see this post-terror chilling of debate. The aim is to tame moral thought, dampen dangerous emotions. After every attack their (politicos and the media) response is to say: “There had better not be an Islamophobic backlash in response to this.”

It is becoming clear that the perversely chilled response to terror is not an act of defiance. Rather, it speaks to a reluctance in the West to engage in robust debate about terror, religion, immigration and values.

We need to change this post-terror culture. We need to recognise that a society, that will not even permit anger or moral soul-searching when an eight-year-old girl at an Ariana Grande concert is blown apart, is a society that has already been defeated.


By the same token we need to recognise the cause of the anger and terrorism waged upon us....When your children are blown apart by an American drone strike do you think the Afghan or Iraqi will not defend themselves by any means possible....Our Governments were warned a war in the Middle East would increase the risk of terrorism and the reasons for war were bullshit....Until we accept responsibility and get out of the ME this will never end???

Angry Angry Angry



Running cravenly from the ME is worse - a sign of weakness that will be filled like a vacuum..... with terrorist attacks.

These victims of drone strikes were in as much or even greater danger long before any Western intervention... they could be killed without notice by their own government or just by some passing nomad group with guns.
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