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Re: Finally a Grand Jury investigation into 9/11
Reply #45 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 12:42am
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 16th, 2018 at 6:42pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2018 at 8:21am:
Richdude wrote on Dec 14th, 2018 at 1:21am:
For the first time a real investigation will begin - just 17 years later!

All the evidence of explosives and pyrotechnic devices used to bring down the 3 buildings will be assessed by a jury. Expect a cascade of more evidence as others feel safer to come forward.

Those directly involved and those involved in the cover up in the deaths of 3,000 will be pissing themselves. Remember to knowingly cover up a crime is to be considered complicit.


Why are you defending Al-Qaeda?



Al-Quada stood and proudly claimed responsibility for many atrocities, They always said that 9/11 wasn't them.

I do not buy the US did it to themselves conspiracies however it is fairly clear that something happened different to the whole story we have all been told. There are too many holes and obvious false hoods.

We know that a group of Arabs hijacked planes and two were flown into the towers.

We know the building collapsed in a rather odd manner.

We know a second building collapsed in a controlled manner for no apparent reason.

We know that The white house was damaged in a manner inconsistent with the reported event ans the wreckage was not consistent either.

There are many other unanswered questions and questions where the answers do not look to be genuine.

Questions like were the Talaban responsible ? I have no idea but they typically would have claimed responsibility and they didn't, the attack was 100% staffed by Egyptians this is also inconsistent with the Taliban ?

On the day there were various excersises that virtually put the Armed forces out of commission particularly the air force.

IMO there is just too many areas with inadequate explanation.

I don't believe for one second that the US government or agencies are responsible but I am fairly sure that some important information is missing from the public domain.

We knoe there are discrepancies among reports of what crashed into the white house.


Good response but wrong with some of your assertions.

Osama Bin Ladin did admit conducting the events that day but only in a faked video. The Hollywood director admitted the fraud later. Osama actually denied involvement and said that the US shadow government was responsible. Osama died in 2003 - as Benazir Bhutto claimed in a TV interview.
So the famous raid to take out Osama in Pakistan was fake.

We really have no proof that 19 Arab hijackers were responsible. Their names are not on any flight manifest, the video at the Boston terminal was mysteriously turned off. All we have is an undamaged passport that survived the collision and fire when nothing else did. Retrieved from the street below the WTC by a policeman who is now in jail.

You confuse the WH with the Pentagon. It was the Pentagon which was attacked by something.
We don't know what because all the dozens of video tapes were confiscated by the FBI and destroyed as well as any aircraft wreckage with serial numbers that would have identified whatever hit the building.

BTW the FBI was headed at the time by none other than Robert Mueller. Beginning to get the picture?

The Talaban were too independent for the globalists. Of course there is also the sweetener of 600 billion/year of opium. The globalists use US armed forces to target countries outside their control. Witness Iran, Russia and Syria.
 
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Re: Finally a Grand Jury investigation into 9/11
Reply #46 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 6:57am
 
Marla wrote on Dec 16th, 2018 at 11:23pm:
Term Dog wrote on Dec 16th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
Interesting 9/11 Heroes hardly mentioned. The airforce.put two fighter Jets  up immediately to stop further plane attacks. They had no time to arm the planes so they asked for volunteers to commit suicide by flying into any enemy.


A commander and one female pilot volunteered immediately and patrolled the sky while other fighters were getting prepared.

That's true bravery, volunteering to fly to your death to save others. That female pilot will basically be a public unknown while the likes of Bruce Jenner gets on time magazine.



Cool story, bro.

Just making up poo now.


Everything else about 9/11 is a lie, but that bit is true.

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Re: Finally a Grand Jury investigation into 9/11
Reply #47 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 11:08am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 6:57am:
Marla wrote on Dec 16th, 2018 at 11:23pm:
Term Dog wrote on Dec 16th, 2018 at 7:59pm:
Interesting 9/11 Heroes hardly mentioned. The airforce.put two fighter Jets  up immediately to stop further plane attacks. They had no time to arm the planes so they asked for volunteers to commit suicide by flying into any enemy.


A commander and one female pilot volunteered immediately and patrolled the sky while other fighters were getting prepared.

That's true bravery, volunteering to fly to your death to save others. That female pilot will basically be a public unknown while the likes of Bruce Jenner gets on time magazine.



Cool story, bro.

Just making up poo now.


Everything else about 9/11 is a lie, but that bit is true.

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Re: Finally a Grand Jury investigation into 9/11
Reply #48 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 11:10am
 
Richdude wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 12:42am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 16th, 2018 at 6:42pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2018 at 8:21am:
Richdude wrote on Dec 14th, 2018 at 1:21am:
For the first time a real investigation will begin - just 17 years later!

All the evidence of explosives and pyrotechnic devices used to bring down the 3 buildings will be assessed by a jury. Expect a cascade of more evidence as others feel safer to come forward.

Those directly involved and those involved in the cover up in the deaths of 3,000 will be pissing themselves. Remember to knowingly cover up a crime is to be considered complicit.


Why are you defending Al-Qaeda?



Al-Quada stood and proudly claimed responsibility for many atrocities, They always said that 9/11 wasn't them.

I do not buy the US did it to themselves conspiracies however it is fairly clear that something happened different to the whole story we have all been told. There are too many holes and obvious false hoods.

We know that a group of Arabs hijacked planes and two were flown into the towers.

We know the building collapsed in a rather odd manner.

We know a second building collapsed in a controlled manner for no apparent reason.

We know that The white house was damaged in a manner inconsistent with the reported event ans the wreckage was not consistent either.

There are many other unanswered questions and questions where the answers do not look to be genuine.

Questions like were the Talaban responsible ? I have no idea but they typically would have claimed responsibility and they didn't, the attack was 100% staffed by Egyptians this is also inconsistent with the Taliban ?

On the day there were various excersises that virtually put the Armed forces out of commission particularly the air force.

IMO there is just too many areas with inadequate explanation.

I don't believe for one second that the US government or agencies are responsible but I am fairly sure that some important information is missing from the public domain.

We knoe there are discrepancies among reports of what crashed into the white house.


Good response but wrong with some of your assertions.

Osama Bin Ladin did admit conducting the events that day but only in a faked video. The Hollywood director admitted the fraud later. Osama actually denied involvement and said that the US shadow government was responsible. Osama died in 2003 - as Benazir Bhutto claimed in a TV interview.
So the famous raid to take out Osama in Pakistan was fake.

We really have no proof that 19 Arab hijackers were responsible. Their names are not on any flight manifest, the video at the Boston terminal was mysteriously turned off. All we have is an undamaged passport that survived the collision and fire when nothing else did. Retrieved from the street below the WTC by a policeman who is now in jail.

You confuse the WH with the Pentagon. It was the Pentagon which was attacked by something.
We don't know what because all the dozens of video tapes were confiscated by the FBI and destroyed as well as any aircraft wreckage with serial numbers that would have identified whatever hit the building.

BTW the FBI was headed at the time by none other than Robert Mueller. Beginning to get the picture?

The Talaban were too independent for the globalists. Of course there is also the sweetener of 600 billion/year of opium. The globalists use US armed forces to target countries outside their control. Witness Iran, Russia and Syria.
 


Please anybody else dispute my post?
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Re: Finally a Grand Jury investigation into 9/11
Reply #49 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 11:11am
 
Richdude wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 12:42am:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 16th, 2018 at 6:42pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 14th, 2018 at 8:21am:
Richdude wrote on Dec 14th, 2018 at 1:21am:
For the first time a real investigation will begin - just 17 years later!

All the evidence of explosives and pyrotechnic devices used to bring down the 3 buildings will be assessed by a jury. Expect a cascade of more evidence as others feel safer to come forward.

Those directly involved and those involved in the cover up in the deaths of 3,000 will be pissing themselves. Remember to knowingly cover up a crime is to be considered complicit.


Why are you defending Al-Qaeda?



Al-Quada stood and proudly claimed responsibility for many atrocities, They always said that 9/11 wasn't them.

I do not buy the US did it to themselves conspiracies however it is fairly clear that something happened different to the whole story we have all been told. There are too many holes and obvious false hoods.

We know that a group of Arabs hijacked planes and two were flown into the towers.

We know the building collapsed in a rather odd manner.

We know a second building collapsed in a controlled manner for no apparent reason.

We know that The white house was damaged in a manner inconsistent with the reported event ans the wreckage was not consistent either.

There are many other unanswered questions and questions where the answers do not look to be genuine.

Questions like were the Talaban responsible ? I have no idea but they typically would have claimed responsibility and they didn't, the attack was 100% staffed by Egyptians this is also inconsistent with the Taliban ?

On the day there were various excersises that virtually put the Armed forces out of commission particularly the air force.

IMO there is just too many areas with inadequate explanation.

I don't believe for one second that the US government or agencies are responsible but I am fairly sure that some important information is missing from the public domain.

We knoe there are discrepancies among reports of what crashed into the white house.


Good response but wrong with some of your assertions.

Osama Bin Ladin did admit conducting the events that day but only in a faked video. The Hollywood director admitted the fraud later. Osama actually denied involvement and said that the US shadow government was responsible. Osama died in 2003 - as Benazir Bhutto claimed in a TV interview.
So the famous raid to take out Osama in Pakistan was fake.

We really have no proof that 19 Arab hijackers were responsible. Their names are not on any flight manifest, the video at the Boston terminal was mysteriously turned off. All we have is an undamaged passport that survived the collision and fire when nothing else did. Retrieved from the street below the WTC by a policeman who is now in jail.

You confuse the WH with the Pentagon. It was the Pentagon which was attacked by something.
We don't know what because all the dozens of video tapes were confiscated by the FBI and destroyed as well as any aircraft wreckage with serial numbers that would have identified whatever hit the building.

BTW the FBI was headed at the time by none other than Robert Mueller. Beginning to get the picture?

The Talaban were too independent for the globalists. Of course there is also the sweetener of 600 billion/year of opium. The globalists use US armed forces to target countries outside their control. Witness Iran, Russia and Syria.
 



And yet still no actual evidence produced of any conspiracy other than the accepted one.

This is too wishy washy. Vague interpretations, round pegs in square holes type of thing.
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Re: Finally a Grand Jury investigation into 9/11
Reply #50 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 11:12am
 
The government can't even keep a semen stained dress secret, how do you think it would go at trying to keep this secret.
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Re: Finally a Grand Jury investigation into 9/11
Reply #51 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:08pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 11:12am:
The government can't even keep a semen stained dress secret, how do you think it would go at trying to keep this secret.


Dead men don't talk!

What kind of fwit are you?

The privately owned FED has been in operation for more that a 100 years. Area 51 was denied for decades now it accepted by gov as true. Thats just the start .......

You have been bamboozled your hole life - now you can't accept that fact and you don't have the cajole's to ever admit this.

Here's a quote for you and your other left wing scumbags who cannot deal with reality.

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over, you almost never get it back.”
— Carl Sagan

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Re: Finally a Grand Jury investigation into 9/11
Reply #52 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:14pm
 
Richdude wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:08pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 11:12am:
The government can't even keep a semen stained dress secret, how do you think it would go at trying to keep this secret.


Dead men don't talk!

What kind of fwit are you?

The privately owned FED has been in operation for more that a 100 years. Area 51 was denied for decades now it accepted by gov as true. Thats just the start .......

You have been bamboozled your hole life - now you can't accept that fact and you don't have the cajole's to ever admit this.

Here's a quote for you and your other left wing scumbags who cannot deal with reality.

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over, you almost never get it back.”
— Carl Sagan




The weird thing is Carl Sagan would accept the current version. Why? because of his other saying "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"
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Re: Finally a Grand Jury investigation into 9/11
Reply #53 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:17pm
 
Richdude wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:08pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 11:12am:
The government can't even keep a semen stained dress secret, how do you think it would go at trying to keep this secret.


Dead men don't talk!

What kind of fwit are you?

The privately owned FED has been in operation for more that a 100 years. Area 51 was denied for decades now it accepted by gov as true. Thats just the start .......

You have been bamboozled your hole life - now you can't accept that fact and you don't have the cajole's to ever admit this.


Here's a quote for you and your other left wing scumbags who cannot deal with reality.

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over, you almost never get it back.”
— Carl Sagan





Why the personal insults?

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Re: Finally a Grand Jury investigation into 9/11
Reply #54 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:20pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
Richdude wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:08pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 11:12am:
The government can't even keep a semen stained dress secret, how do you think it would go at trying to keep this secret.


Dead men don't talk!

What kind of fwit are you?

The privately owned FED has been in operation for more that a 100 years. Area 51 was denied for decades now it accepted by gov as true. Thats just the start .......

You have been bamboozled your hole life - now you can't accept that fact and you don't have the cajole's to ever admit this.

Here's a quote for you and your other left wing scumbags who cannot deal with reality.

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over, you almost never get it back.”
— Carl Sagan




The weird thing is Carl Sagan would accept the current version. Why? because of his other saying "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"


I'm also stuck with the desire to accept the simplest possible theoretical explanation for existing data.

It's not a complicated conspiracy of a faux terrorist attack trying to cover the Government secretly bringing down buildings with their own citizens without leaving any evidence behind, photographic or physical, and nobody has come forward who was part of the plot.

It's a lot to accept on faith alone given that there is no evidence to support it.

There are theories, there are holes in the accepted account of events yes, but this is not evidence supporting an opposition hypothesis.
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Re: Finally a Grand Jury investigation into 9/11
Reply #55 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:26pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:20pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:14pm:
Richdude wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:08pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 11:12am:
The government can't even keep a semen stained dress secret, how do you think it would go at trying to keep this secret.


Dead men don't talk!

What kind of fwit are you?

The privately owned FED has been in operation for more that a 100 years. Area 51 was denied for decades now it accepted by gov as true. Thats just the start .......

You have been bamboozled your hole life - now you can't accept that fact and you don't have the cajole's to ever admit this.

Here's a quote for you and your other left wing scumbags who cannot deal with reality.

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over, you almost never get it back.”
— Carl Sagan




The weird thing is Carl Sagan would accept the current version. Why? because of his other saying "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"


I'm also stuck with the desire to accept the simplest possible theoretical explanation for existing data.

It's not a complicated conspiracy of a faux terrorist attack trying to cover the Government secretly bringing down buildings with their own citizens without leaving any evidence behind, photographic or physical, and nobody has come forward who was part of the plot.

It's a lot to accept on faith alone given that there is no evidence to support it.

There are theories, there are holes in the accepted account of events yes, but this is not evidence supporting an opposition hypothesis.



The problem is that from what I've read that CTers don't buy simple explanations. Big events can't have simple causes. E.g. why do people think it was a conspiracy round JFK? because it can't be as simple as one nut in a book depository.
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Reply #56 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:28pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:20pm:
There are theories, there are holes in the accepted account of events yes, but this is not evidence supporting an opposition hypothesis.




To me this also goes to it being a like a 1000 piece jigsaw with 20 pieces missing. Yes the pieces are missing, but you can still the jigsaws of a boat.
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Reply #57 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:29pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:17pm:
Richdude wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:08pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 11:12am:
The government can't even keep a semen stained dress secret, how do you think it would go at trying to keep this secret.


Dead men don't talk!

What kind of fwit are you?

The privately owned FED has been in operation for more that a 100 years. Area 51 was denied for decades now it accepted by gov as true. Thats just the start .......

You have been bamboozled your hole life - now you can't accept that fact and you don't have the cajole's to ever admit this.


Here's a quote for you and your other left wing scumbags who cannot deal with reality.

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over, you almost never get it back.”
— Carl Sagan





Why the personal insults?




My guess the personal insults stem from the fact you are a worthless troll??
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Reply #58 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:35pm
 
Term Dog wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:29pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:17pm:
Richdude wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 1:08pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Dec 17th, 2018 at 11:12am:
The government can't even keep a semen stained dress secret, how do you think it would go at trying to keep this secret.


Dead men don't talk!

What kind of fwit are you?

The privately owned FED has been in operation for more that a 100 years. Area 51 was denied for decades now it accepted by gov as true. Thats just the start .......

You have been bamboozled your hole life - now you can't accept that fact and you don't have the cajole's to ever admit this.


Here's a quote for you and your other left wing scumbags who cannot deal with reality.

“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we've been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We're no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It's simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we've been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over, you almost never get it back.”
— Carl Sagan





Why the personal insults?




My guess the personal insults stem from the fact you are a worthless troll??


They aren't directed towards me.

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Reply #59 - Dec 17th, 2018 at 9:56pm
 
The American Government would never consider orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities as a pretext to go to war....Yet that is exactly what they did???

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In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

Details of the plans are described in Body of Secrets (Doubleday), a new book by investigative reporter James Bamford about the history of America's largest spy agency, the National Security Agency. However, the plans were not connected to the agency, he notes.

The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.


Huh Huh Huh

https://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
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