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DonDeeHippy Gold Member Offline Cool Stuff Posts: 2782 Australia Gender:	Re: Some Australian Electrical Generation Scenarios Reply #30 - Dec 15^th, 2018 at 7:53am so it looks like SA went to renewable to lower price because gas is so expensive and their old coal plants where falling apart
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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 16400 Gender:	Re: Some Australian Electrical Generation Scenarios Reply #31 - Dec 15^th, 2018 at 11:49am And now they want the Fed's to pay for State government stuff ups.
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DonDeeHippy Gold Member Offline Cool Stuff Posts: 2782 Australia Gender:	Re: Some Australian Electrical Generation Scenarios Reply #32 - Dec 15^th, 2018 at 2:59pm lee wrote on Dec 15^th, 2018 at 11:49am: And now they want the Fed's to pay for State government stuff ups. Ohh u mean governments don’t always do the best thing... I never knew
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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 16400 Gender:	Re: Some Australian Electrical Generation Scenarios Reply #33 - Dec 15^th, 2018 at 4:04pm DonDeeHippy wrote on Dec 15^th, 2018 at 2:59pm: Ohh u mean governments don’t always do the best thing.. Nope. It was about the expected bail out for the State governments.
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Robot Senior Member Offline Conspirator Posts: 441 Engadine Maccas	Re: Some Australian Electrical Generation Scenarios Reply #34 - Dec 15^th, 2018 at 8:08pm lee wrote on Dec 15^th, 2018 at 4:04pm: DonDeeHippy wrote on Dec 15^th, 2018 at 2:59pm: Ohh u mean governments don’t always do the best thing.. Nope. It was about the expected bail out for the State governments. True: The states expect to be bailed out of federal stupidity.
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Reply #35 - Dec 16^th, 2018 at 12:00am

Robot wrote on Dec 15^th, 2018 at 8:08pm:

True: The states expect to be bailed out of federal stupidity.

Strange that's not what you posted. Wink

Robot wrote on Dec 14^th, 2018 at 9:24pm:

Perhaps the imbeciles in Federal government should fix the overwhelming cause of South Australia's energy prices: the price of natural gas.

The cause of SA electricity prices rests firmly in the domain of the South Australian Government.

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Reply #36 - Dec 16^th, 2018 at 12:42am

lee wrote on Dec 16^th, 2018 at 12:00am:

The cause of SA electricity prices rests firmly in the domain of the South Australian Government.

True: it was foolish for the SA government to count on the federal government to not screw up the domestic gas market and the NEM.

At least the SA government reduced its dependence on gas, mitigating the problem. Some idiots would have the state building new coal plants.

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Reply #37 - Dec 16^th, 2018 at 11:19am

Robot wrote on Dec 16^th, 2018 at 12:42am:

At least the SA government reduced its dependence on gas, mitigating the problem. Some idiots would have the state building new coal plants.

Hm reduced its dependence on gas? By renewable solar and wind? Which requires gas peaking plants?

So what was the cost of a new coal plant? The cost of feedstock? Cheaper or dearer than gas?

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Reply #38 - Dec 16^th, 2018 at 11:36am

Why the heck aren't any cleaner and safer scenarios mentioned? Solar and water for 2. Our power used to be generated with water pressure at warrigamba dam. Also there's that thermal process in sa that seems to have been quashed. Nuclear and coal are not the only options. This was published imo by someone that wants us to go nuclear

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Reply #39 - Dec 16^th, 2018 at 11:51am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 16^th, 2018 at 11:36am:

Our power used to be generated with water pressure at warrigamba dam.

Perhaps SA now draws more power than the dam can supply. Silting?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 16^th, 2018 at 11:36am:

Also there's that thermal process in sa that seems to have been quashed.

Solar thermal or geothermal?

Solar thermal seems to be on the cards.

Headlines as recently as September.

Geothermal not.

"Geothermal power project closes in SA as technology deemed not financially viable"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-30/geothermal-power-plant-closes-deemed-not-...

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Reply #40 - Dec 16^th, 2018 at 12:19pm

lee wrote on Dec 16^th, 2018 at 11:51am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 16^th, 2018 at 11:36am:

Our power used to be generated with water pressure at warrigamba dam.

Perhaps SA now draws more power than the dam can supply. Silting?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 16^th, 2018 at 11:36am:

Also there's that thermal process in sa that seems to have been quashed.

Solar thermal or geothermal?

Solar thermal seems to be on the cards.

Headlines as recently as September.

Geothermal not.

"Geothermal power project closes in SA as technology deemed not financially viable"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-30/geothermal-power-plant-closes-deemed-not-...

Yeah sorry warrigamba was in new western suburbs

As for the geothermal I think a lot of systems have been tried. The one I was thinking of was the one on the hot rocks underground water in as. There was also the one in Alice springs area where the underground water is travelling at super speeds and they were going to use the pressure to create electricity without even using the water up. I think that one was canned (or bottled) by coca cola.

There are many hydro options and geothermal options out there but the govts like coal and nuclear because they make more money I guess. At any rate they have stopped or slowed mist research that isn't about coal or nuclear in recent decades.

I don't have any links ATM because I'm on my phone again bit when I get to the computer I will look for some. I used to have shares in one of the sa projects.

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26460 Australia	Re: Some Australian Electrical Generation Scenarios Reply #41 - Dec 16^th, 2018 at 12:20pm Gawd sorry looks like my phone substituted some words. Figgers the time I write a lot Spot
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Reply #42 - Dec 16^th, 2018 at 12:35pm

lee wrote on Dec 16^th, 2018 at 11:19am:

Robot wrote on Dec 16^th, 2018 at 12:42am:

At least the SA government reduced its dependence on gas, mitigating the problem. Some idiots would have the state building new coal plants.

Hm reduced its dependence on gas? By renewable solar and wind? Which requires gas peaking plants?

So what was the cost of a new coal plant? The cost of feedstock? Cheaper or dearer than gas?

hasn't the Tesla battery reduced the Need for Peaker plants in SA, and saving almost half of its costs in 1 year of operation ? Wink

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Reply #43 - Dec 16^th, 2018 at 12:43pm

DonDeeHippy wrote on Dec 16^th, 2018 at 12:35pm:

hasn't the Tesla battery reduced the Need for Peaker plants in SA, and saving almost half of its costs in 1 year of operation ?

has it? Does than include the ongoing costs of the battery?

""It actually costs taxpayers' money. There's a cost of $4-5 million a year to have the battery in place.

"There are more costs than that involved."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-09-27/tesla-battery-cost-revealed-two-years-aft...

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Sir Spot of Borg Gold Member Offline WE ARE BORG Posts: 26460 Australia	Re: Some Australian Electrical Generation Scenarios Reply #44 - Dec 16^th, 2018 at 1:51pm Well no matter the cost sa is apparently short on electricity so you would think they would try anything Spot
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