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Reply #15 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 1:02pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 12:59pm:
Your "natural cycle" has not seen CO2 much over 300 ppm over the last 800,000 years at least.

Then, surprise surprise ... after the industrial revolution, it suddenly jumps from about 300 ppm to over 400 ppm.

What a co-incidence eh?  Wink


Yes you're quite right, steady CO2 yet we have had all these cycles of warm and cold spells.

What does that tell you about CO2 and temperature...?

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Reply #16 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 1:08pm
 
CO2 has the physical property of retaining heat. It's a matter of chemistry and physics.

Methane is even worse.

Burning fossil fuels and reducing vegetation creates a large volume of CO2

You will see that over time, with the increase in CO2 in the air, temperatures will rise above "normal". This will have impacts on the climate.

Have you Googled about this at all?  Wink
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Reply #17 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 1:16pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 12:42pm:
Burning fossil fuels and deforestation by humans has caused the CO2 atmospheric concentration to increase from about 300 ppm pre-industrial revolution to over 400 ppm post-industrial revolution.

Increased by around 33% at about 71 times faster than pre-industrial times.



No influence by natural processes at all? Grin Grin Grin

"Warmer oceans release CO2 faster than thought"

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20413-warmer-oceans-release-co2-faster-th...

Wildfires didn't exist before current era? Grin Grin Grin Grin

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 12:42pm:
Meanwhile ... the Greenland Ice Sheets and the Antarctic Ice Sheets are losing mass at an alarming rate.



Of course I showed that the Antarctic is increasing according to one study. But that you want to ignore. Greenland Ice Mass is stable.


Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 12:42pm:
Sea levels are rising and low lying populations will eventually be inundated during storm tides.


Which ones exactly? Did you know about  the Cinque Ports?

"The coast of Kent, in southeast England, is the home of the 'Cinque Ports', a famous group of port towns. However, almost all of these historic ports are now well inland.

These ports have a well-documented history, including their gradual retreat from the sea. One of them, Romney, was a prosperous port in 791 AD [8]. As the sea retreated and it became no longer usable as a port, it was replaced by New Romney. In turn, New Romney gradually lost its sea access, and is now about 2 kilometres from the sea."

http://aoi.com.au/bcw/Sealevel/
So sea level dropped and it now is increasing. I guess it was the stable CO2 that caused it all. Wink

Mediterranean towns now under water.

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 12:42pm:
Those people are going to have to find new places to live.


People have moved before because of oceans rising, falling. You want sea level to be stable? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

No it isn't FUN. It is however a reality.
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Reply #18 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 1:20pm
 
"Greenland Ice Mass is stable."

Err ... I think not.

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Reply #19 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 1:28pm
 
Greenland ever wondered why it was named so.... Wink

Medieval warm period warmer than today.



Dahl_Jensen et al 1998
Wagner & Melles 2001
Kaplan et al 2002
Jiang et al 2002
Moore et al 2001
Grudd et al 2002
Seppa & Birks 2002
Dansgaard et al 1975
Korhola et al 2000
Naurzbaev et al 2002
Vaganov et el 1996
Briffa et al 1998
Scweingruber & Briffa 1996
Knudsen et al 2004
Grinsted et al 2006
Besonen et al 2008
Wagner et al 2008
Vare et al 2009
Norgaard-Pedersen & Mikkelsen 2009
Andresen et al 2004
Vinther et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2010
Kobashi et al 2008
Stuiver et al 1995
Dansgaard et al 1975
Jenings & Weiner 1996
Johnsen et al 2001
Vinther et al 2010
Larsen et al 2011
Hill et al 2001
Joynt & Wolfe 2001
Hantemirov & Shiyatov 2002
Andersson et al 2003
Helama et al 2005
Mazepa 2005
Weckstrom et al 2006
Jiang et al 2007
Zabenski & Gajewski 2007
Grudd 2008
Justwan et al 2008
Scire et al 2008
Axford et al 2009
Bjune et al 2009
Cook et al 2009
Fortin & Gajewski 2010
Buntgen et al 2011
Divine et al 2011
Ran et al 2011
Velle et al 2011
D’Andrea et al 2012
Esper et al 2012
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Reply #20 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 1:39pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 1:20pm:
"Greenland Ice Mass is stable."

Err ... I think not.


You should have parsed it differently - "I think, NOT". Grin Grin Grin

Oh dear using the GRACE data again; after I posted about the problems with GRACE data.

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Follow the blue line and compare it to the black line. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #21 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 1:56pm
 
You do realise that the blue line is lower than the previous lines above it don't you?

You don't?

Blimey!  Shocked
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Reply #22 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 3:03pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 1:56pm:
You do realise that the blue line is lower than the previous lines above it don't you?


As  I said it is stable. Within statistical certainty.

But then is is completely different to the GRACE data.

Perhaps you like this one better -

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August marks the end of the melt season. Wink
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Reply #23 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 3:12pm
 
Not stable ... but losing mass at about 280 Gigatonnes per year.  Wink
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Reply #24 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 3:43pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 3:12pm:
Not stable ... but losing mass at about 280 Gigatonnes per year. 



"Greenland on average loses around 500 Gt of ice each year from calving and submarine melt processes. If we subtract this from our figure of 544 Gt for the SMB it would suggest Greenland gained a small amount of ice this year"

http://polarportal.dk/en/news/news/end-of-the-smb-season-summary-2017/

"However, it is likely that the relatively high end of season SMB will mean a zero or close-to-zero total mass budget this year, as last year."

http://sciencenordic.com/how-greenland-ice-sheet-fared-2018

That's not what the DMI and Science Nordic say. Wink
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Reply #25 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 4:12pm
 
You need to look at the trend over a longer period which indicates that the Ice sheets are losing mass.

CO2 going up, temperature going up, ice mass going down, sea level going up.

Not rocket science.


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Reply #26 - Dec 2nd, 2018 at 4:23pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 4:12pm:
You need to look at the trend over a longer period which indicates that the Ice sheets are losing mass.



A trend line is simply drawn between  two points of data. The trend of the last 2 years is up. Wink

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 4:12pm:
CO2 going up, temperature going up, ice mass going down, sea level going up.



So correlation is causation? Grin Grin Grin Grin

Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 4:12pm:
Not rocket science.



Even basic science is beyond you.
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Reply #27 - Dec 3rd, 2018 at 5:23am
 
Well it seems everything is about money and yeah theres opportunities but it means changing everything and eventually getting rid of coal and oil. The conspiracy still doesnt make sense.

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Reply #28 - Dec 3rd, 2018 at 1:23pm
 
Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Dec 3rd, 2018 at 5:23am:
Well it seems everything is about money and yeah theres opportunities but it means changing everything and eventually getting rid of coal and oil. The conspiracy still doesnt make sense.

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RCP 8.5 doesn't foresee that possibility. That's one reason why it is flawed
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