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Reply #75 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 8:39pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 3rd, 2018 at 12:20pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 2nd, 2018 at 10:27pm:
Well for a start you have clearly said that measurements for these periods have no validity ?



Nope. That is not what I said. I said that paleo data because of the time spans involved don't show the fineness to assess any variations over small time spans.

I even cited Marcott's temperature reconstruction, he used 300 year smoothing over a 2000 year time span. Now i'll let you imagine what smoothing would be used over a 500,000 year time span. You do understand smoothing means you lose data?



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Do you really have accurate records for the last 400-500 thousand years?


Here is how you opened - this is the standard you required. not exactly a short time span as you seem to be now saying.

You mentioned Marcott but it didn't seem to have context outside of your desire.

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You do understand smoothing means you lose data?


You lose peaks and troughs not long term trends or averages the difference would make very little if any difference in the context needed here.
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Reply #76 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 8:46pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 3:53pm:
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 3:27pm:
What's the other part of AGW?


You tell us. Show us the proof. Correlation isn't causation.

Remember that graph I showed from NOAA climate at a glance?

10 years flat. And all the while burgeoning CO2. How did that happen?

How does CO2 cause cooling in Antarctica? The magic gas.



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10 years flat. And all the while burgeoning CO2. How did that happen?


With the low sun activity and repeted dominance of Lanina there should have been cooling, if you consider why that didn't happen you see the impact of global warming through a natural cooling period.

We got a bit of a remission period which provided extra time to act not extra time to do nothing.

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Reply #77 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 8:50pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
Lee:
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Do you really have accurate records for the last 400-500 thousand years?


Here is how you opened - this is the standard you required. not exactly a short time span as you seem to be now saying.


Oh dear. Can't differentiate between paleo and instrumental data. Grin Grin Grin

Dnarever wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
Lee
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You do understand smoothing means you lose data?


You lose peaks and troughs not long term trends or averages the difference would make very little if any difference in the context needed here.


Got a reference for that or is it a gut feeling? If you lose the peaks and troughs it must have an effect. Depends on whether the peaks are higher or the troughs lower or vice versa.
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Reply #78 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 8:52pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 8:46pm:
With the low sun activity and repeted dominance of Lanina there should have been cooling, if you consider why that didn't happen you see the impact of global warming through a natural cooling period.



So natural variation can overcome the dreaded CO2. Who knew? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #79 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 9:57pm
 
lee wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 8:50pm:
Dnarever wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
Lee:
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Do you really have accurate records for the last 400-500 thousand years?


Here is how you opened - this is the standard you required. not exactly a short time span as you seem to be now saying.


Oh dear. Can't differentiate between paleo and instrumental data. Grin Grin Grin

Dnarever wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 8:39pm:
Lee
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You do understand smoothing means you lose data?


You lose peaks and troughs not long term trends or averages the difference would make very little if any difference in the context needed here.


Got a reference for that or is it a gut feeling? If you lose the peaks and troughs it must have an effect. Depends on whether the peaks are higher or the troughs lower or vice versa.


its not relevant - it is taken care of in the outcome. very basic. If the majority are positive peaks the overall outcome will be a bit higher and vice a versa.
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Reply #80 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 10:07pm
 
"Surely even climate change deniers must suspect they haven't thought things through after realising they're in furious agreement with Malcolm Roberts."

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https://twitter.com/jonkudelka/status/1070181078265020416
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Reply #81 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 10:11pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 9:57pm:
If the majority are positive peaks the overall outcome will be a bit higher and vice a versa.



Exactly. It makes a difference.
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Reply #82 - Dec 5th, 2018 at 10:14pm
 
Captain Nemo wrote on Dec 5th, 2018 at 10:07pm:
"Surely even climate change deniers must suspect they haven't thought things through after realising they're in furious agreement with Malcolm Roberts."

Grin Grin Grin

https://twitter.com/jonkudelka/status/1070181078265020416


You mean like the alarmists "97% of climate abstracts is the same as 97% of climate scientists"?

And you still haven't come up with what Roberts had wrong. How bizarre is that?
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