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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #390 - Jun 16th, 2019 at 11:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 16th, 2019 at 11:56pm:
And here are some rpevious examples of you making the same idiotic complaint about the same point:

freediver wrote on May 31st, 2019 at 10:03am:
Here is the last time, only two days ago, where you demanded I repeat myself:

freediver wrote on May 29th, 2019 at 8:51am:
Here is the most recent example, from the previous page of this thread:

freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2019 at 7:38pm:
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Will you at least acknowledge that there are some muslims around who don't believe the massacre happened - and who also don't subscribe to the "in any case they were a mindless collective, so genocide is still awesome" narrative that you ascribe to me?


You eventually got around to denying the massacre happened, once you realised supporting genocide was not a good look. But you still maintained your support for genocide.


And here you are, two days later, in your second post in this thread after I made that one, insisting I never addressed it:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 24th, 2019 at 10:13am:
I pointed out the existence of muslims who reject the alleged massacre even happened - a fact that you didn't even bother to try and refute. And so by that measure alone, your claim is at a stroke disproven, as is the flawed logical steps that led to the claim.

For some reason you never actually addressed that point. I expect your response would have been of the "they don't really mean what they say" variety, which of course, naturally is *NOT* doing any such thing as denying them agency to think for themselves, heaven forbid.





FD is this your way of conceding that you didn't actually provide a "lengthy response" to the last time I asked you about the inconsistency of being morally flexible about the quran but not about hearsay about Muhammad?

Or are you just flailing about as usual?

Why not go one step further and concede that you didn't respond to it at all?

Or you can just keep deflecting, whatever suits.
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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #391 - Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:08am
 
freediver wrote on Jun 16th, 2019 at 11:57pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 16th, 2019 at 11:54pm:
Try quoting full sentences FD if you are going to honestly depict what I actually say.

I'll give you a hint: when I say "considered" in inverted commas, its a bit of a giveaway that its not really "considering" at all. Or you could just quote the words in the sentence that you ommitted straight after - that literally say exactly that.


And here is the last time I explained to you that I have already explained it to you:

freediver wrote on May 31st, 2019 at 8:44pm:
Gandalf are you seriously arguing that this post is not about Muslims who deny the genocide?

freediver wrote on May 31st, 2019 at 2:00pm:
Because it is a question of historical fact Gandalf. If Muslims maintain that genocide is evil and that Muhammad would have been evil if he had committed genocide, then the only barrier to concluding Muhammad is evil is establishing a fact that nearly every Muslim on earth already considers to be established. This is probably why you still maintain support for genocide at the same time as denying it.

That, and a lot of the genocide denial, such as yours, merely boils down to playing down the number of Jews slaughtered by Muhammad, in which case the difference between Muhammad and evil is merely an arbitrary distinction on how many Jews you have to slaughter before it becomes genocide.

Muslims, even the Quran-only variety, can never be completely aloof from Muhammad, by virtue of the fact that Muhammad wrote the Quran. None of them want to invite the conclusion that the Quran was merely another tool for Muhammad's evil.




umm.. thats nothing to do with my question about your inconsistency about morally flexible muslims FD.

You came up with the idea that muslims can be morally flexible about a clear (in your opinion) Quranic command that is directly related to Islamic law - yet still maintain that no muslim on earth could possibly have any moral flexibility on a matter of hearsay that isn't even related to Islamic law.

But by all means keep "answering" by referencing a completely irrelevant 3 week old discussion on the thought processes of muslim genocide deniers.

Or you could answer the actual question - which incidentally could easily involve genocide believers.

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Muslims, even the Quran-only variety, can never be completely aloof from Muhammad


So are you saying they could be partly aloof from Muhammad - say, on a matter of hearsay about an aspect of his political rule that is not even part of actual Islamic law?
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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #392 - Jun 17th, 2019 at 8:19pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 12:08am:
freediver wrote on Jun 16th, 2019 at 11:57pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 16th, 2019 at 11:54pm:
Try quoting full sentences FD if you are going to honestly depict what I actually say.

I'll give you a hint: when I say "considered" in inverted commas, its a bit of a giveaway that its not really "considering" at all. Or you could just quote the words in the sentence that you ommitted straight after - that literally say exactly that.


And here is the last time I explained to you that I have already explained it to you:

freediver wrote on May 31st, 2019 at 8:44pm:
Gandalf are you seriously arguing that this post is not about Muslims who deny the genocide?

freediver wrote on May 31st, 2019 at 2:00pm:
Because it is a question of historical fact Gandalf. If Muslims maintain that genocide is evil and that Muhammad would have been evil if he had committed genocide, then the only barrier to concluding Muhammad is evil is establishing a fact that nearly every Muslim on earth already considers to be established. This is probably why you still maintain support for genocide at the same time as denying it.

That, and a lot of the genocide denial, such as yours, merely boils down to playing down the number of Jews slaughtered by Muhammad, in which case the difference between Muhammad and evil is merely an arbitrary distinction on how many Jews you have to slaughter before it becomes genocide.

Muslims, even the Quran-only variety, can never be completely aloof from Muhammad, by virtue of the fact that Muhammad wrote the Quran. None of them want to invite the conclusion that the Quran was merely another tool for Muhammad's evil.




umm.. thats nothing to do with my question about your inconsistency about morally flexible muslims FD.

You came up with the idea that muslims can be morally flexible about a clear (in your opinion) Quranic command that is directly related to Islamic law - yet still maintain that no muslim on earth could possibly have any moral flexibility on a matter of hearsay that isn't even related to Islamic law.

But by all means keep "answering" by referencing a completely irrelevant 3 week old discussion on the thought processes of muslim genocide deniers.

Or you could answer the actual question - which incidentally could easily involve genocide believers.

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Muslims, even the Quran-only variety, can never be completely aloof from Muhammad


So are you saying they could be partly aloof from Muhammad - say, on a matter of hearsay about an aspect of his political rule that is not even part of actual Islamic law?

You are the sworn enemies of Western civilisation. You shouldn't be allowed to migrate to the West. Your sole contribution is to undermine and repudiate the West. Islam has never been anything but the enemy of the West.

You personally are the enemy of the West, doubly as a convert. You converted BECAUSE of your resentment of the West even before you were a Muslim. Islam is a cosy home for your antagonism.
Same with all your co-religionists You cannot be a Muslim and pro-West.  Everything you say is forked-tongued and calculated to advance sharia and the kaliphate. You are ALL jihadists.







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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #393 - Jun 17th, 2019 at 10:21pm
 
Frank wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 8:19pm:
You converted BECAUSE of your resentment of the West even before you were a Muslim. Islam is a cosy home for your antagonism.


It saddens me that you consider me so shallow.

Apparently all religion is to muslims is a crass vessel in which to play out petty temporal political vendettas and point scoring. Nothing spiritual about it.

To me, someone like that is the very antithesis of religious. Pretty much all religions are about freeing oneself from crass, shallow, temporal/earthly whims and desires.
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Reply #394 - Jun 17th, 2019 at 10:46pm
 
Oh look FD's deflecting, ducking and weaving by creating yet more spin-off threads that no one else will read.

Of the umpteen number of questions you are ducking and weaving from, lets just randomly grab one of the most recent, shall we?

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Muslims, even the Quran-only variety, can never be completely aloof from Muhammad


So are you saying they could be partly aloof from Muhammad - say, on a matter of hearsay about an aspect of his political rule that is not even part of actual Islamic law?


Or are you attempting some logic that says that if muslims are not "completely aloof" it somehow means they are completely beholden to, and must support every single thing he did - even when its a matter of hearsay that isn't even part of Islamic doctrine?

It should go without saying that if that is so, the obvious question is simply 'why'?

And feel free to include in your answer a reference to why muslims, 1,5 billion of them, can never ever be "morally flexible" on this matter of hearsay that is not part of Islamic doctrine, but can be flexible on the far more relevant commands in the actual Quran?
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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #395 - Jun 17th, 2019 at 11:27pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 10:21pm:
Frank wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 8:19pm:

You converted BECAUSE of your resentment of the West even before you were a Muslim. Islam is a cosy home for your antagonism.



It saddens me that you consider me so shallow.

Apparently all religion is to muslims is a crass vessel in which to play out petty temporal political vendettas and point scoring.

Nothing spiritual about it.

To me, someone like that is the very antithesis of religious.

Pretty much all religions are about freeing oneself from crass, shallow, temporal/earthly whims and desires.




Coz, misrepresenting your religion, ISLAM, to naive and uninformed non-moslems is a spiritual path ?

gandalf,      why is it so objectionable to you, to admit the real motives and methods of ISLAM ?

Are you arguing that ISLAM, promotes virtue in the world, and a spiritual path for all of its followers,
....through the auspices of deceit and misinforming the 'enemies' of ISLAM ?




IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT;
The most successful recruiting environment for ISLAM in the West, has been the most secure prisons, where the worst of hard-core offenders are 'housed'.

Q.
What is it, about ISLAM, that is so appealing to convicted murderers and rapists ?

WWW search


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p.s.
gandalf,

Where is, that 'exemplar' moslem majority nation ?

Have you come up with a more worthy candidate than Indonesia yet ?




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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #396 - Jun 18th, 2019 at 12:39pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 10:46pm:
Oh look FD's deflecting, ducking and weaving by creating yet more spin-off threads that no one else will read.

Of the umpteen number of questions you are ducking and weaving from, lets just randomly grab one of the most recent, shall we?

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Muslims, even the Quran-only variety, can never be completely aloof from Muhammad


So are you saying they could be partly aloof from Muhammad - say, on a matter of hearsay about an aspect of his political rule that is not even part of actual Islamic law?


Or are you attempting some logic that says that if muslims are not "completely aloof" it somehow means they are completely beholden to, and must support every single thing he did - even when its a matter of hearsay that isn't even part of Islamic doctrine?

It should go without saying that if that is so, the obvious question is simply 'why'?

And feel free to include in your answer a reference to why muslims, 1,5 billion of them, can never ever be "morally flexible" on this matter of hearsay that is not part of Islamic doctrine, but can be flexible on the far more relevant commands in the actual Quran?


I am yet to see a single example of a Muslim criticising anything Muhammad did.
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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #397 - Jun 18th, 2019 at 12:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 12:39pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 10:46pm:
Oh look FD's deflecting, ducking and weaving by creating yet more spin-off threads that no one else will read.

Of the umpteen number of questions you are ducking and weaving from, lets just randomly grab one of the most recent, shall we?

Quote:
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Muslims, even the Quran-only variety, can never be completely aloof from Muhammad


So are you saying they could be partly aloof from Muhammad - say, on a matter of hearsay about an aspect of his political rule that is not even part of actual Islamic law?


Or are you attempting some logic that says that if muslims are not "completely aloof" it somehow means they are completely beholden to, and must support every single thing he did - even when its a matter of hearsay that isn't even part of Islamic doctrine?

It should go without saying that if that is so, the obvious question is simply 'why'?

And feel free to include in your answer a reference to why muslims, 1,5 billion of them, can never ever be "morally flexible" on this matter of hearsay that is not part of Islamic doctrine, but can be flexible on the far more relevant commands in the actual Quran?


I am yet to see a single example of a Muslim criticising anything Muhammad did.


And therefore, ipso facto, all muslims support genocide - right?

Has it dawned on you yet that this is flawed logic FD?

This might be useful:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance
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Reply #398 - Jun 18th, 2019 at 4:08pm
 
G, I'm curious. You've met a few Muselmen in your time. In your experience, do any of them support genocide?

Also, how many are practitioners of taqiyya?
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Reply #399 - Jun 18th, 2019 at 6:06pm
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 4:08pm:
G, I'm curious. You've met a few Muselmen in your time. In your experience, do any of them support genocide?

Also, how many are practitioners of taqiyya?


None support genocide - therefore all of them are taqiyya practitioners - right?  Cheesy
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Reply #400 - Jun 18th, 2019 at 6:38pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 6:06pm:
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 4:08pm:
G, I'm curious. You've met a few Muselmen in your time. In your experience, do any of them support genocide?

Also, how many are practitioners of taqiyya?


None support genocide - therefore all of them are taqiyya practitioners - right?  Cheesy


Thanks, G, just as I expected.

We'll deal with these people, don't you worry about that. We know you can't say anything for fear of being beheaded, as your evil book says.

If you need our help, could you give us some kind of sign?

FD's been flailing away since the white supremacists got him back in 2007, poor thing, but don't you worry.

We'll have him out in no time.
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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #401 - Jun 18th, 2019 at 7:03pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 12:49pm:
freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 12:39pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 17th, 2019 at 10:46pm:
Oh look FD's deflecting, ducking and weaving by creating yet more spin-off threads that no one else will read.

Of the umpteen number of questions you are ducking and weaving from, lets just randomly grab one of the most recent, shall we?

Quote:
Quote:
Muslims, even the Quran-only variety, can never be completely aloof from Muhammad


So are you saying they could be partly aloof from Muhammad - say, on a matter of hearsay about an aspect of his political rule that is not even part of actual Islamic law?


Or are you attempting some logic that says that if muslims are not "completely aloof" it somehow means they are completely beholden to, and must support every single thing he did - even when its a matter of hearsay that isn't even part of Islamic doctrine?

It should go without saying that if that is so, the obvious question is simply 'why'?

And feel free to include in your answer a reference to why muslims, 1,5 billion of them, can never ever be "morally flexible" on this matter of hearsay that is not part of Islamic doctrine, but can be flexible on the far more relevant commands in the actual Quran?


I am yet to see a single example of a Muslim criticising anything Muhammad did.


And therefore, ipso facto, all muslims support genocide - right?

Has it dawned on you yet that this is flawed logic FD?

This might be useful:
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance


Your logic Gandalf. Not mine.
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Reply #402 - Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:00pm
 
Your "argument" FD, not mine:

freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 12:39pm:
I am yet to see a single example of a Muslim criticising anything Muhammad did.

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Reply #403 - Jun 18th, 2019 at 9:40pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 8:00pm:
Your "argument" FD, not mine:

freediver wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 12:39pm:
I am yet to see a single example of a Muslim criticising anything Muhammad did.



It's an observation Gandalf.

You keep conjuring up these theoretical Muslims and demanding I address figments of your imagination.
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Reply #404 - Jun 19th, 2019 at 7:11am
 
Mattyfisk wrote on Jun 18th, 2019 at 4:08pm:

G, I'm curious.

You've met a few Muselmen in your time. In your experience, do any of them support genocide?


Also, how many are practitioners of taqiyya?




Abu,

Killing the harbi isn't 'genocide', it is your duty, to Allah.



"Say: "...If ye think that ye are friends to Allah, to the exclusion of (other) men, then express your desire for Death, if ye are truthful!"  "
Koran 62.06


Koran 62.06 is admonishing the believer, that his only true love, in this life [if he is a true moslem], is to die, fighting in Allah's cause.



Just as is stated, in Koran 9.111     too.

Fight, and kill       ....for Allah's religion.

That is your duty as a believer.      ....and there is a 'bordello in the sky' for you, if you are killed.

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."
Koran 9.111



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Yadda said....
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WWW search....
DIVISIONS OF THE WORLD, ACCORDING TO ISLAM,


Dar al-Islam = = the house of Islam, the house of Peace [those places where ISLAMIC law has authority].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_al-Islam#Dar_al-Islam

Dar al-Harb = = "house of war", those countries where ISLAMIC law does not have authority.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dar_al-Islam#Dar_al-Harb




Harbi = =
"one under a declaration of war"
, i.e. a disbeliever.





".........A harbi has no rights, not even the right to live."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbi

WWW search....
"A harbi has no rights, not even the right to live"





'ISLAM is peace.'       .....that is naked taqiyya, Abu, and every moslem, is a practitioner, in it.



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ARGUMENT;
There is an identifiable group of people, who do, facilitate, enable, encourage and commit acts of terror,
as an endorsed cultural modality.



They are called moslems.

They are the followers, of ISLAM.



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