freediver wrote on May 31
st, 2019 at 2:00pm:
Because it is a question of historical fact Gandalf.
Right, so now your answer has changed to "because it definitely happened" - which presumably comes with an implied assumption that no muslim seriously denies it, even when they say they do.
Can you confirm this where you stand FD - that the genocide by Muhammad is really a universally accepted fact amongst all muslims, even when they say otherwise? You do accept that there are plenty of muslims who do say otherwise right?
Quote:If Muslims maintain that genocide is evil and that Muhammad would have been evil if he had committed genocide, then the only barrier to concluding Muhammad is evil is establishing a fact that nearly every Muslim on earth already considers to be established. This is probably why you still maintain support for genocide at the same time as denying it.
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Lets just skim over the heroic number of "IFs" here that your claim depends upon, and focus on the most obvious logical fallacy: that committing an evil act necessarily makes one evil. This is such an obvious point that it shouldn't need elaborating. I'll therefore jump straight to your very predictable response which will probably goes along the lines of "there are limits to how much evil a good man could do before he must become evil himself - and genocide is surely one such limit". And so this is where your dishonesty about what actually happened serves its purpose. When we are talking about taking away innocent men, women and children to the gas chambers in their millions, for no other reason than belonging to a particular ethnicity or culture or religion, then yes, that is an actual genocide that could not be committed by anyone other than an evil person. But we both know that is nothing like what Muhammad is alleged to do. It was the most mundane, run-of-the-mill mass execution of a group of soldiers, that literally happens all the time in war. When you view in these terms, for what it actually was, instead of dishonestly using the deliberately emotive term "genocide" - you see how absurd and dishonest is the idea that anyone who tries to justify such an act is a "genocide supporter".