freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2019 at 6:41pm:


Because its about me, not 1.5 billion people. If you are going to make statements about what 1.5 billion individual men women and children think and say, then you need to have 1.5 billion individual quotes to prove it. Nothing less.

Surely not even you are saying I am "proof" of what 1.5 billion people think are you? Because that would be the mother of all "mindless collective" arguments.

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2019 at 6:41pm:


Because you simultaneously say you are right, obviously.

And before you try it, saying I am sure Muhammad existed is not arrogant - as no one disputes it, and there is more than enough evidence to support it. Please don't even try to compare that claim to a claim about every single muslim, man woman and child having the exact same thought process about genocide, based on absolutely nothing but some ham-fisted attempt at deductive reasoning + it was gandalf wot did it.

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2019 at 6:41pm:


Your absurd claim is not just impossible to prove, it is impossible to even have any basis at all - unless you are going to individually interview 1.5 billion men women and children from all corners of the globe. And thats why its not scientific. When you corner yourself by inserting the word "all", instead of "many" or even "most", then you doom any chances you might have had of making it in any way "scientific". Its now in the realm of "making crap up without having a clue". Thats what you do, its not what science does. Scientific theories may be easy to disprove, but they definitely give due respect to actual evidence. The case for a scientific theory does not solely rest on the logic of some deductive reasoning - at least not in the 'modern scientific' sense. It has to have actual evidence to support it.

What you present is an affront to modern science. It is the very sort of crap that modern science tries to expunge from the world.

Also, how is it easy to "disprove" Muhammad? History is not science. Nor is making up crap about the singular 'hive mind' thought processes of 1.5 billion people. Come to think of it, modern science has nothing to do with what we are discussing. Not sure why you keep bringing it up.

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2019 at 6:41pm:


A better example for a someone living in the 21st century would be someone who didn't live in ancient history, I would have thought.

The Quran says he is an example, not that he is the best example. Just another flaw in your logic.

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2019 at 9:46pm:


Indeed. And you don't have a clue what almost all of them actually think. Yet you still think its ok to state that all of them, to a man woman and child, are of one mind in supporting genocide. Kinda like a mindless collective who are given no agency to think outside what FD deems fit for them to think.

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2019 at 9:46pm:


Probably.

Its the next logical leaps you apply that are the problem here FD.

Why can't a single muslim on earth believe that its not necessary to blindly support everything he did as a falible human, according to the circumstances of his time - especially when it has nothing to do with the actual message of Islam?

Why can't a single muslim on earth decide for themselves that the accounts of the alleged massacre are not as you depict them?

Will you at least acknowledge that there are some muslims around who don't believe the massacre happened - and who also don't subscribe to the "in any case they were a mindless collective, so genocide is still awesome" narrative that you ascribe to me?

Muslims like their women on the Miss Piggy scale....

The Singer AND Dentist and the gharqad tree....




And some weird botoxed Muslim Kardashians. Alladin, makes us look Scandinavian in a weird and deluded way, Insh'allah.

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We do have the Pew surveys, which you and every other apologist have attempted to discredit, because you don;t like what Muslims actually say they think.

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Before we get to that, why are you allowed to make statements on behalf of all Muslims, but not me?

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Because they would then realise he made the entire thing up. He wrote too much of the rape and pillage into the Quran to separate the man's actions from the book. In any case, I will leave it to you to find one of these theoretical Muslims you keep banging on about.

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You eventually got around to denying the massacre happened, once you realised supporting genocide was not a good look. But you still maintained your support for genocide.

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2019 at 7:38pm:


Right, and which part of that survey establishes that 100% of them support genocide? I must have missed that question.

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2019 at 7:38pm:


This is a joke right? What statements "on behalf of all muslims" am I making that are even remotely equivalent to saying every single one of them, to a man woman and child supports genocide as a mindless hive mind with no individual agency? I've been at pains to point out the diversity of opinion amongst muslims and how every muslim has their own interpretation and understanding of their religion- which is literally the exact opposite of the approach you are taking, which is the mindless collective approach.

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2019 at 7:38pm:


There you go again, imposing your interpretation of Islam on to every single individual muslim, and denying them any agency to think differently to how you think muslims should think.

muslims think how I tell them to think ~ by FD.

Pathetic.

Frank wrote on May 23^rd, 2019 at 6:56pm:




Looks like the full moon has risen again - the Islamophobes are baying at it.  Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Always remember, Soren, you flew here, most Australian Muslims were born here.  You're a blow-in.   When are you going back to Copenhagen where you belong, hey?   

Good point, FD. You give the Muselmen the Freeeeedom to believe what you say. G says the Muselman should think for himself.

Chalk and cheese, innit.