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Reply #60 - Dec 10^th, 2018 at 7:07pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 10^th, 2018 at 7:05pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 10^th, 2018 at 12:24pm:

No Gandalf. I am saying that all Muslims support genocide. Think of it like saying that all Nazis support genocide. This does not mean there are no polite Nazis with an aversion to getting their own hands dirty. It merely means that they all support genocide.

You are projecting onto my statement your view that only a "bloodthirsty monster" would support genocide, but as you yourself have argued, it is apparently possible to support genocide in a purely academic sense.

And you were right then to some extent. Here we are, talking about your excuses for slaughtering large numbers of innocent people, in a perfectly calm and rational manner, year after year. I presume you have not killed a single Jew in all that time. The ideology of Islam permits even people like you to jump on the bloodthirsty monster's bandwagon. I am still not sure how this works, but there is no rush.

You are the polite Nazi, the whore with a heart of gold, the noble savage. You are interesting.

So really, you're only point is that all musllms, while not all necessarily bloodthirsty monsters, all of them, to a man, woman and child, want large numbers of innocent people to be slaughtered - just as long as their hands don't get dirty?

Personally, I think people don't support genocide unless they firstly dehumanize people with outrageous and offensive blanket slurs like "all muslims support genocide". But don't worry FD, you've definitely got the high moral ground on this one.

Some are more than happy to get their hands dirty. Including about 100 Aussie Muslims currently raping and pillaging their way across the middle east. Though I imagine a lot of them are dead by now.

If you have forgotten what my point is again, check the thread title. You have now spent about four pages forgetting my one and only point.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: All Muslims support genocide Reply #61 - Dec 10^th, 2018 at 7:09pm freediver wrote on Dec 10^th, 2018 at 7:07pm: If you have forgotten what my point is again, check the thread title. Don't worry FD, I won't forget you dehumanizing the entire muslim population with an outrageous blanket slur. Good point.
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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #62 - Dec 10^th, 2018 at 7:10pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 10^th, 2018 at 7:09pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 10^th, 2018 at 7:07pm:

If you have forgotten what my point is again, check the thread title.

Don't worry FD, I won't forget you dehumanizing the entire muslim population with an outrageous blanket slur.

Good point.

Then, you could read the opening post to see my justification for the claim. Don't worry Gandalf, it does not involve any mindless collectives.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: All Muslims support genocide Reply #63 - Dec 10^th, 2018 at 7:19pm Ah yes, good point FD - you used the quote of one muslim to dehumanize the entire population - 1.8 billion men women and children. Good show. Where's that retard map again?
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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #64 - Dec 10^th, 2018 at 7:23pm

freediver wrote on Dec 10^th, 2018 at 7:10pm:

Don't worry Gandalf, it does not involve any mindless collectives.

Wouldn't dream of it FD. You quoting a single individual to apply a group-think hive mind upon the entire 1.8 billion muslim men women and children might be a lot of things, but it definitely doesn't involve any mindless collectives. No sir

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #65 - Dec 10^th, 2018 at 7:24pm

freediver wrote on Nov 28^th, 2018 at 12:16pm:

Muslims believe that Muhammad (tgp) is the best example for all Muslims to follow. The Quran tells them so. So they cannot let something like Muhammad's genocide of the Medina Jews reflect badly on Islam or Muhammad. So, their religion compels them to support Muhammad's genocide.

This manifests itself in a variety of ways. For example, every Muslim who has posted here has attempted to excuse Muhammad's genocide by claiming that the three large Jewish tribes of Medina were party to the treaty of Medina and that each successively violated it, thus being to blame for their own genocide. This story appears to be a recent fabrication and Muslims refuse to discuss it's origin.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1543103591

Gandalf has been even more creative in coming up with ways to support genocide, trotting out such classics as:

freediver wrote on Dec 9^th, 2018 at 8:55pm:

* tough titties, off with their heads
* they were literally a mindless collective of treacherous Jews without an individual personality
* only the warriors were executed (Muhammad identified the warriors with a genital inspection) - repeat this three times
* the Jews made it up
* it is perfectly reasonable to deny the genocide happened, or attempt to downplay its extent, at the same time as supporting the genocide
* if wikipedia gives an example of a historian who thinks the treaty was actually a unilateral declaration by Muhammad, and that the copies of the treaty we have today list all the party tribes (the Jewish tribes are omitted), the only reasonable way to interpret this is as wikipedia claiming that not a single other historian in the world reaches the same conclusion
* it's not a proper genocide unless it's a holocaust
* it was just your average, ordinary every slaughter, cruisin' with Mo's Bactrian, to catch a pretty daughter....

There is nothing in my arguments that is even remotely similar to your mindless collective of treacherous Jews argument. Your complaints are no different to a Nazi complaining about people demonising them, while trying to brush over the 6 million dead Jews.

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #66 - Dec 11^th, 2018 at 8:22am

freediver wrote on Dec 10^th, 2018 at 7:24pm:

There is nothing in my arguments that is even remotely similar to your mindless collective of treacherous Jews argument.

no, not at all...

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All Muslims support genocide

not even the full stop version:

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All. Muslims. Support. Genocide.

Its just a perfectly reasonable, considered rational assessment - based on extensive investigation and intimate surveys of the entire muslim population.

But please FD, go ahead and quote a single individual muslim to prove your point about 1.8 billion men women and children again.

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #67 - Dec 11^th, 2018 at 12:18pm

I told you what it is based on Gandalf. You have spent 5 pages ignoring what I actually posted and substituting your own hysterical misrepresentation.

It is no different to a Nazi complaining about Nazis being "demonised" while ignoring the elephant in the room - the six million dead Jews.

I'll spell it out for you again. Muhammad committed genocide. All Muslims support and defend his actions. Therefor all Muslims support genocide. If you want to prove me wrong, all you have to do is find a Muslim who thinks Muhammad was wrong to slaughter those Jews.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: All Muslims support genocide Reply #68 - Dec 11^th, 2018 at 12:40pm freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 12:18pm: I'll spell it out for you again. Muhammad committed genocide. Yes! Because FD says so. Have you ever heard the concept of a logical fallacy FD?
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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #70 - Dec 11^th, 2018 at 5:58pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 10^th, 2018 at 8:12am:

Frank wrote on Dec 9^th, 2018 at 7:19pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 9^th, 2018 at 6:36pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 9^th, 2018 at 9:38am:

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/223275/in-the-battle-between-the-jews-and-the-mu...

All ahadith quotes, nothing from the quran old boy.

Oh? Hadiths have nuffin' to do wiv nuffin' Islam now? Since when?? Mohammed's sayings are now trash and mere hearsay about an irrelevant meshuggeh's unislamic gibberish?? When did you get that memo?
Cuz Mohammed has nuffin to do wiv Islam or nuffin. Cuz Muhammed has nuffin to do with the Koran neither. Different cuz.

You said the Quran said it.

You were wrong.

I take the quaint view that these small details of fact vs fiction actually matter.

A small detail which, for the purpose of the point, doesn't matter. 'Scholars' are quoting those hadiths. It's an article of faith for Muslims, sunni and shia.

The Koran is a mish-mash, thrown together in the most bizarre manner, as are the hadiths.

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #71 - Dec 11^th, 2018 at 7:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 12:40pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 12:18pm:

I'll spell it out for you again. Muhammad committed genocide.

Yes! Because FD says so.

Have you ever heard the concept of a logical fallacy FD?

Again Gandalf, there are plenty of my own arguments you could attempt to refute, rather than making them up for me.

Even when you choose the genocide denial option, you still argue in support of Muhammad genocide.

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #72 - Dec 12^th, 2018 at 7:38am

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 7:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 12:40pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 12:18pm:

I'll spell it out for you again. Muhammad committed genocide.

Yes! Because FD says so.

Have you ever heard the concept of a logical fallacy FD?

Again Gandalf, there are plenty of my own arguments you could attempt to refute, rather than making them up for me.

Even when you choose the genocide denial option, you still argue in support of Muhammad genocide.

FD how do I even begin to attempt to refute such a mind-numbingly stupid statement as "all muslims support genocide"? It belittles us both if I treat this as an actual reasonable argument that can be debated rationally and reasonably. The best I can do is simply to point out how mind-numbingly stupid it is. And nasty, and vindictive and utterly utterly bigoted.

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Re: All Muslims support genocide
Reply #73 - Dec 12^th, 2018 at 7:01pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 12^th, 2018 at 7:38am:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 7:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 12:40pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 11^th, 2018 at 12:18pm:

I'll spell it out for you again. Muhammad committed genocide.

Yes! Because FD says so.

Have you ever heard the concept of a logical fallacy FD?

Again Gandalf, there are plenty of my own arguments you could attempt to refute, rather than making them up for me.

Even when you choose the genocide denial option, you still argue in support of Muhammad genocide.

FD how do I even begin to attempt to refute such a mind-numbingly stupid statement as "all muslims support genocide"? It belittles us both if I treat this as an actual reasonable argument that can be debated rationally and reasonably. The best I can do is simply to point out how mind-numbingly stupid it is. And nasty, and vindictive and utterly utterly bigoted.

I'm glad you finally figured out what the thread title says Gandalf. It's never too late to read the first post. We are only 5 pages in.

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