Fantastic result from the Victorian election Upper House. The Greens had 5 seats, now down to a single seat. 

Even better news was Libs got absolutely hammered 

Its time wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 3:48am:

They did, but they're gaining ground as counting progresses. They're about to gain a seat off Labor in the Northern Metropolitan region. They're currently behind the third Labor candidate by two votes on the final count.

Australian Labor Party 45,425
Liberal 45,423

There needs to be a change in voting system for upper houses and senates. Its not democratic when micro parties that get a handful of votes get seats.

Bam wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:08am:


Fair point but the Greens being kept out is just soooo good.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:13am:


Labor won, the Coalition was decimated. Everyone knows that; it’s been reported everywhere. Funny though, that the ABC have neglected to report this.

Good to see the Greens losing influence since they seem to be more of an obstructionist party these days, getting in the way of things actually being done.

That's part of the reason Andrews improved the Labor vote.

Getting things done, that's the key to success. 

matty wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:27am:




Why is that? He's the perfect eaxmple of the point

Bam wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:32am:




its no more rabid than those who are anti Lib....

the greens lost their way a long time ago  and yes its time people woke up to them....

as for this druery guy I have never heard of him before.....

since when is bribing someone for a vote illegal...

hasnt it been going on in the senate since Elvis was a boy?.....under the guise of deals..

nothing is what it seems today.....

Bam wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:08am:


Yes!

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 9:34am:


Because he was second on the One Nation ticket, and did not get enough elected on preferences; they received two quotas of votes.

I am sick to death of that disingenuous line about him receiving 77 or whatever it was first preference votes. That is below the line, and hardly anyone votes below the line. Do you vote above or below the line??

cods wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 10:19am:


You seem to have failed to understand my post.

By voting below the line, you get to choose the candidates of your choice. Voting above the line triggers the automatic preference distribution decided between the various parties.

i.e. The "preference whisperer" gets his way if you vote above the line.

matty wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 10:12am:


On this point, I say that group ticket voting should be abolished. I have been saying this for some time.

Bam wrote on Feb 14^th, 2016 at 12:19pm:

Bam wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 10:08am:


It has been abolished for federal elections but it should be abolished for state elections as well.

Bam wrote on Nov 27^th, 2018 at 5:08pm:


On this point though, there is an alternative whereby you can decide EXACTLY where your preferences go: vote below the line, and list every box so that you can order your favourite to least favourite precisely. I have always done that. Next election will be no different, as I am able to put the hypocritical, sanctimonious, white, misandrist anti-Australian Greens dead last.

matty wrote on Nov 28^th, 2018 at 7:56am:

You can vote as you please.

However, we shouldn't have a voting system that encourages malappropriation of votes or the rigging of elections. We must abolish ticket voting in Victoria and Western Australia because it is a farce. Numbering boxes above the line should be equivalent to numbering below the line in sequence.

Dnarever wrote on Nov 28^th, 2018 at 9:34am:


Abolish partisan how to vote cards.

Instead, have AEC how to vote cards.

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 28^th, 2018 at 9:46am:

Abolishing how-to-vote cards from parties should also be considered. Preferences should be in the hands of the voters.

If that's done, we should consider introducing some form of Robson rotation for the ballot papers, so being placed top or bottom on a ballot paper does not confer any advantage.

Bam wrote on Nov 28^th, 2018 at 9:24am:


But again you didn’t address why not just do what I said: go to the effort of voting below the line? It’s simple. I always do it. That way you can decide exactly and precisely where all your preferences go.

matty wrote on Nov 28^th, 2018 at 9:53am:

Your point is irrelevant because NSW did not use ticket voting at the 2011 NSW state election. I asked about ticket voting specifically.

The real problem here is likely to be the use of how-to-vote cards to direct preferences, a practice I also do not like. Democracy should be in the hands of voters, not political parties. Ticket voting violates this principle, and how-to-vote cards also do, to a lesser degree.

As for using 75% as a cutoff, that's intended to make it easier for you to provide examples. I could have used a 90% cutoff. That's the percentage of the quota that the Liberal party has provisionally reached in at least one of the eight regions of the Victorian state election where they did not gain enough additional votes on preferences from ticket voting to get an additional member elected. They're left stranded as the last unelected candidate standing.

Here's how bad it is, as it stands right now:

Northern Metropolitan: Liberal quota 0.9728 - elected as last candidate by 112 votes.
Northern Victoria: Liberal/National quota 1.9390 - one Liberal elected.
Western Victoria: Liberal/National quota 1.8329 - one Liberal elected.

The ticket voting has clearly disadvantaged the Liberals.