matty wrote on Nov 28
th, 2018 at 9:53am:
Bam wrote on Nov 28
th, 2018 at 9:14am:
matty wrote on Nov 28
th, 2018 at 7:53am:
Bam wrote on Nov 27
th, 2018 at 4:56pm:
matty wrote on Nov 27
th, 2018 at 10:12am:
Bam wrote on Nov 27
th, 2018 at 9:32am:
No, it isn't. Your rabid anti-Greens bias is blinding you to the fundamental unfairness of this. This same malappropriation of ticket votes has also disadvantaged the Liberals, who have received very few preferences from above-the-line votes from other parties.
Having one man holding so much power is a perversion of democracy, and I hope Druery ends up in jail. He's been openly canvassing bribes for votes and he's already been referred to the police.
Be honest though - would you be saying the same thing had this happened to One Nation,
as it has in the past? Link please ... show a recent election where
One Nation has received nearly a full quota of votes
(0.75 or more) but no representatives were elected on preferences
due to ticket voting specifically. 2011 NSW state election.
1. No links.
2.
NSW did not have ticket voting for the upper house in 2011.3.
One Nation did not contest the 2011 NSW State election. The "Independent Hanson" faction only got 2.41% of the vote, or
0.53 of a quota - nowhere near a quota (4.55%).
Next time,
POST LINKS. True, Pauline did run as an independent.
However, she did receive just over half a quota whereas the Nats and the Greens candidates “elected” in the last two spots received far fewer.
Didn’t you have a go at me for making an “arbitrary cutoff” for lower house seats at 42%, and now you do the same here.
Your point is irrelevant because NSW did
not use ticket voting at the 2011 NSW state election. I asked about ticket voting specifically.
The real problem here is likely to be the use of how-to-vote cards to direct preferences, a practice I also do not like. Democracy should be in the hands of voters, not political parties. Ticket voting violates this principle, and how-to-vote cards also do, to a lesser degree.
As for using 75% as a cutoff, that's intended to make it
easier for you to provide examples. I could have used a 90% cutoff. That's the percentage of the quota that the Liberal party has provisionally reached in at least one of the eight regions of the Victorian state election where they did not gain enough additional votes on preferences from ticket voting to get an additional member elected. They're left stranded as the last unelected candidate standing.
Here's how bad it is, as it stands right now:
Northern Metropolitan: Liberal quota 0.9728 - elected as last candidate by 112 votes.
Northern Victoria: Liberal/National quota 1.9390 - one Liberal elected.
Western Victoria: Liberal/National quota 1.8329 - one Liberal elected.
The ticket voting has clearly disadvantaged the Liberals.