Can we blame all Muslims for 9/11?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jan 14^th, 2019 at 8:43pm:


Does the fact that 9/11 ideology came from Muhammad lend weight to blaming all Muslims?

freediver wrote on Jan 14^th, 2019 at 9:38pm:


Obviously I reject the premise of your question.

The ideology is salafist - which interestingly enough most muslims reject.

Have you figured out now how the US cooperating with the Taliban to invade and take out Al Quaida (setting aside the implausibility) would be propping up the Taliban?

You cited the fact that salafist ideology originated in Saudi Arabia as evidence that Saudi Arabia was a greater threat than the Taliban.

Are you taking that one back?

How would the US dismantle Al Quaida for the Taliban without providing that "actual material support"?

Or are you changing your mind again on what the US should have done? Perhaps you have dreamt up an even more absurd fantasy?

Ah, so Saudi Arabia is a bigger threat than the taliban, not just because an idea originated there, but because they also spread the idea?

Did the idea spread to Afghanistan by any chance?

Isn't Saudi Arabia the original source of Islam? If so, does that mean you blame the Saudis for all Islamic terrorism? Or does Islamic terrorism have nothing to do with Islam?

You said cooperate. Are you suggesting a mutually agreeable agreement with the Taliban, in which the Taliban gets egg all over their face for assisting the great Satan to slaughter fellow Muslims, and the Taliban gets no benefit from the arrangement, including somehow not getting any benefit from destroying a political rival?

Of course the obvious quid pro quo would be for the US to agree to stop materially supporting the Northern Alliance and anything else they were doing to actively undermine the taliban - but a I said, that in no way is "propping up" the regime.

How do you suggest we combat these dangerous Muslim ideas that are a bigger threat than Afghanistan as a failed state after receiving one of those dangerous ideas?

How was the US materially supporting the Northern Alliance?

Rejecting the Taliban offers to have bin Laden handed over, the U.S. instead pursued a policy of regime change well prior to the 9/11 attacks. Jane’s Information Group reported in March 2001 that “India is believed to have joined Russia, the USA and Iran in a concerted front against Afghanistan’s Taliban regime”, which included support for Afghanistan’s Northern Alliance, including “information and logistic support” from Washington.[8] Former Pakistani Foreign Secretary Niaz Naik told the BBC that he had been told by senior U.S. officials in July 2001 at a U.N.-sponsored summit in Berlin that military action would be taken against the Taliban by the middle of October. Preparations had already been coordinated with Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Russia. Naik also “said it was doubtful that Washington would drop its plan even if Bin Laden were to be surrendered immediately by the Taleban.”[9]

So basically, we should have stopped supporting the Northern Alliance, because one of the most evil Muslim regimes in modern history (which Gandalf supports for some reason) wants to kill them off so they can take over and impose Islamofascism on more people.

But we should also stop supporting the Saudis, because they are a bigger threat than Afghanistan was, on account of the ideas they were telling other people about?